world. plus the reason i've got extra security in my studio tonight. well, this is what happened the last time kathy griffin was here. oh, my god, what's going on? what are you -- what's happening here? one of the world's most dangerous men may be dead, but one of the world's most dang ru women is still firmly still alive and in my studio tonight. >> i have no filter no class, no voice, no decorum. just fun. >> brace yourselves, it's kathy griffin, take two. >> how many times have you been properly loved? >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. the death of dictator kim jong-il puts his third and youngest son in charge of one of the most dangerous countries on the planet, a country with a nuclear program and now an untested 20-something leader. no surprise that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says the united states will remain vigilant even though north korea has not made any unexpected moves. but how dangerous is that son, kim jong-un in jon huntsman says it's always a certain amount of craziness, his word, in northcally ya. he joins me now. a crazy place, not many people know that much about the inner workings of north korea. how much importance should we put on this shift in power? because on the face of it, a 29-year-old boy, a son in charge of this dangerous, crazy nuclear power should be a cause for massive concern. >> well, piers, you have a situation that isn't an isolated incident. it's in the heart of northeast asia. and let us remember that we have major economic interests in northeast asia. you take japan, you take south korea, both of whom are key allies of ours, you take taiwan, you take a big part of china, you take some of russia and that constitutes about 20% of the world's gdp. and when you have these kinds of international incidents and you have a crazy regime that starts lobbing short-range ballistic missiles into the yellow sea, it disrupts the flow of trade and commerce, it impedes economic growth in ways that hurts our country. our objective is to get this economy back on its feet. that's what i want to do as president. we have a lot of exports that go to northeast asia. and that means when you have these kinds of incidents, there's an economic reverberation. and i think that's what we need to be looking out for. therefore, our objective in the region needs to be stability. we need to be working very closely with south korea and with japan and in consultations with russia and china, all of whom have a shared interest in a stable korean peninsula and also a nuclear-free korean peninsula, which ultimately should be our goal. my concern tonight is that with young kim jong-un, 29 years old. he no longer has kim jong-il, his father, around. which means he now on his own has to start consolidating power. he has to win over the party apa rat chicks. this transition has been under way for a year and a half at least, but he's never stood alone. he's got to win those key components of the north korean elite over or he could be in real trouble. and there will be factional fighting and probably some feuds within the kim family. it's uncertain for at least the time being. >> let me bring in "new york times" columnist nick kristof. you've been tweeting about it in a most fascinating way. clearly north korea was a very despottic regime, wasn't it? millions of people it killed through starvation, through this horrible regime. tell me about the reality of north korea. >> it was not just despottic. this is the most total therien country in the history of the world, i think, because kim jong-il had technologies that stalin never had. every home in north korea that i visited had a speaker on the wall, and that speaker would wake you up in the morning with propaganda. it would put you to sleep at night with propaganda. if you -- triplets are considered auspicious. any woman in the country who had triplets was bound to hand over those triplets for the state to raise. there is a degree of control that you simply can't imagine. and it also means that the brain washing to some degree has worked. a lot of north koreans do genuinely admire the kim family because they don't know anything else. they have no other source of information. >> jon huntsman, you obviously were an ambassador to china. china is a key country, i suspect now, in what happens next with north korea and its relationship with countries like america. if you were president obama would you be picking up the phone to the chinese to make sure that there is nothing untoward that now happens? >> well, we have a shared interest in the outcome. we both want stability. we want stability on the peninsula. it isn't in anyone's interest to have a failed nation state on our hands. a failed nation state in north korea would see a flood of refugees cross the yellow river. that would be very destabilizing in manchuria, in the region where china has a thriving economy. the chinese are concerned about how this plays out. no doubt they're communicating messages to pyongyang. no doubt they're very concerned about the unpredictability of the regime. i know we sometimes think they're able to communicate messages on the part of the west from time to time, that they have great credibility and clout in pyongyang, but the leader in china, they're terribly frustrated with the unpredictability with the north koreian leadership. they're concerned about the future leadership of 28 million people where you have them starving during the winter months. a highly volatile situation. >> nick kristof, let's turn to the great successor as the son is laughably called. and i want to talk to you about the images come ougt of north korea showing the populous devastated beyond belief, weeping and wailing at the loss of their great leader. this is a stunt for western media eyes. >> i think that we all think -- are very cynical about this. i talked to so many defectors from north korea, and they overwhelmingly say once they reach china, they realize that chinese and south koreans are wealthier than north koreans, but until then many people in north korea really do believe in the regime. i remember one story about the bodyguard for kim jong-il and his wife was so aghast at stories of him womanizing that she wrote a letter to the party center complaining about this. that letter was then handed over to kim jong-il himself. he summoned the wife into a meeting, which that bodyguard was present and handed a gun to the bodyguard and gave the bodyguard the right to execute his own wife in front of this group and the bodyguard did. this is a regime in which a lot of people have really internalized that system. and i think in that context it's not surprising we're seeing those kind of tears at least among people who have a real stake in the regime. >> jon huntsman, i can't let you go without the mention of a certain election coming up in iowa. your poll numbers in new hampshire certainly are ticking up a little bit. a little hope there. some green acorns sprouting. >> listen, hopes spring eternal. and in new hampshire, where i am tonight, obviously, we've done 126 public events. we just based on the recent poll overtook ron paul for the number three slot here. i can feel the energy on the streets of this great state. this is still a grass roots political state. you've got to get out and earn the vote. it might not show up in the polls early on but as i approach the end of december and early january, that's when it matters most. i feel that wave effect in physics where once it begins, it doesn't stop, and it's going to take us right on into january because we're talking to the people here in new hampshire about the two deficits that matter most, our economic deficit and our trust deficit. because people in this country no longer trust their institutions of power. they know that congress needs term limits. they know that we've got to close the resolving door that allows members of congress to become lobbyists. they know we've got to deal with banks on wall street that today are too big to fail. nobody else will talk about them and their messages that are rez a naturing with the great people of this state. -- >> jon huntsman -- >> exactly where we sit today. >> jon huntsman thanks very much. and nick kristof thanks as well. ow great is the danger to the world now with kim jong-il's son in charge? joining me is dr. henry kissinger. dr. kissinger, thank you for joining me. i suppose the obvious question for you with all your experience in this particular region is how dangerous do you think north korea really is in the global scheme of things? we don't know much about the country. we don't know much about their nuclear capacity really. in your sense of what you've heard about it, what do you thing? how dangerous is north korea right now? >> north korea as a state has a considerable blackmailing capability because they have a large concentration of artillery aimed at the city of seoul, which is the capital of south korea, and has a very large population. so they could inflict huge casualties. as a state in a normal military conflict, the only strength of north korea is it capacity for suicidal measures, but not for sustaining a long range conflict. i don't think that north korea as such can go beyond certain limits if china, the united states, japan, russia and south korea can come to a common position. and i would think that the most important objective for the u.s. government at the moment is to get some agreement among these countries about restraining any domestic upheavals or any shows of strength by north korea. >> clearly china is a very, very important part of this process going forward. knowing the chinese as you do, what do you think they'll be feeling now? will they be concerned about this transfer in power, new guy, the son is very young. he's 29. >> so china does not want north korea conduct an aggressive policy. but it also doesn't want north korea to collapse and thereby run the risk in the chinese mind of western military establishments moving up to the yellow river, which is right very close to the centers of chinese industrial strength. so the chinese are in an ambivalent situation. they don't want a conflict, but they have not yet figured out how to help in eradicating the elements that might produce a conflict. >> just changing tack for a moment, although on a similar theme, obviously the american president has to deal with the fallout of jim congrejong il's may be a new president. when you look at all the candidates for the republican race to be president, which one of them from their foreign policy statements is the one that you think is most suited to be president of the united states? >> i have tried to stay out of the debate but in the republican party i'm sure that everybody will be against north korea possessing nuclear weapons. everybody will be against north korea proliferating its nuclear technology. and everybody would be opposed to north korea pressuring its neighbors because it cannot go on that a country of such bizarre governmental structures can blackmail the world with its nuclear capability. >> dr. kissinger, thank you very much indeed for your time. >> pleasure to be on. coming up next, she may be the most dangerous woman in television. watch out, america, kathy griffin is back, unleashed and live. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." 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i think there's a career in voice-over for him. i'm always thinking outside of the box, but that's me. i'm the idea man. >> i want people to take part in this what will be an embarrassing virago between you and i. if you have any tweets that could embarrass my guest tonight, send them t to @piersmorgan right now and i promise you the more offensive they are, the more likely they will be read out. >> absolutely. first of all, my twitter is called @kathygriffin, if you want to send them to a real star, send them to me. what were you saying, anderson? >> are you looking forward to humiliating anderson on new year's eve? >> i really look forward to that night. our fifth year in a row. i've got some things planned -- my dream is to make the screen turn into a bar code. you want to hear some rustling, anderson's mike goes dead, then you just thing it's a tornado warning. >> you could get him off air. >> i know i can. >> you can create a three-hour special for me every night in one swoop. >> absolutely. >> come on, do it. >> i have plans. i'm going to drunk dial wolf blitzer. >> like that. i heard you were going to give him a roofy. >> what's a rohypnol? >> a roofy. >> a roofy is let's say a sedative. >> is it rohypnol? >> yes. >> do you do any research for the show? do you read? are there cards? >> i never heard it called a roofie before. i haven't spent as much time on the streets as you do. >> i have got to make a live. i'll give anderson a roofie, because he's a gangster. >> do you fancy him? >> i do fancy him. not as much as you, of course. wow. anyway, i have a special on tomorrow night on bravo. >> can you save this shameless plug till later? >> the name of it is funny, tired hooker. you already implied i work on the streets. take it back. >> the last segment for the shameless plug, you know that. >> go back to dr. kissinger. he's a ratings grabber. like you asking kissinger who he's going to endorse. that will get a lot of folks. team bachmann, oh, please. as if she knows who he is. >> you must be sad she's not in the race any more. >> the rest of those nut bags -- it changes. that's the nice thing about the republican race this time around. you've got your buddy jon huntsman who was just on. who i believe his fame and fortune came in the form of styrofoam packing at mcdonald's. isn't that what his father did? that's why he should run the country. >> he's too normal to be president. >> i will say out of that panel he's sort of the closest thing to a moderate. but this guy is in favor of civil unions but not, of course, equal marriage. that's what we believe is separate is not equal. i guess out of that bunch, he's sort of moderatish, but i'm an obama person. >> you still are. >> why wouldn't i be? >> a few people come on and say they're disappointed. >> i did see your hard hitting interview with m mary j. blige with her political leanings. i couldn't take my eyes off her wig. >> whether it's you or henry kissinger. >> first of all, you're right. those two should be mentioned in the same constantly. i want to ask mary j. blige if she's turned on by henry kissinger, then you call me. >> i'll find really embarrassing questions for you. >> good luck. i got a pap smear on television. how are you going to embarrass me in i'm here. what's more embarrassing than this moment for me? this is the worst moment of my career. >> really? >> i think i would be better off like signing autographs at a mall in culver city. >> somebody told me you're still doing mall appearances. >> i did mall gig sunday. >> it was utterly embarrassing. >> it was great. i'm around with people, not running around with the royals. >> you have to be, clearly. tell me about your mall work. >> i've got a 91-year-old alcoholic mother. those boxes of wine don't buy themselves. so i've got to hustle at the mall, and by hustle i mean whatever it takes. >> someone says ask kathy what she finds attractive in you. >> about you? the way that you think you can keep up with me is so cute and endearing, it is kind of warm and fuzzy, just the way you think you're getting away with stuff, i find adore anl. >> last time i won really. >> oh, really? >> you lost complete control. straddled the desk. you came at me like a hungry hyena, you tried to smothy me in kisses. >> you were tweeting it while -- my boobs were in your face and you had to tweet right now. >> have you ever been with an ice cold man. >> it was rough. my butt looks great, though. i still got it piersy. that's my crime. i still got it. may i call you piersy? >> you may call me whatever you like. what have you still got? >> a banging bikini bod. it's a burden at this point. honestly, there's thoughts going on up here. but what can i do? >> i don't know. >> it's half my living. mostly i do bikini modeling, then some stand-up on the side. >> how is your relationship with your toy boy going? >> what are you talking about? where do you get your research and development. >> are you dating a younger man? >> yes. >> how much younger? >> youngerish. >> how many years? >> a few. >> come on. >> more than three. >> what? >> more than four years younger. >> is he more than ten? >> yes. >> more than 20 years? >> no. >> so 15 years? >> you s.o.b., i could literally -- >> are you and this man on the picture right now having sex? >> yeah. >> and he looks at least 20 years younger. is he? >> no, but -- >> 15? >> i'm excited you think he's legal. that's exciting for me. that's a small victory for me. that means that the l.a. county sheriff is off me. >> he's a good looking young guy, that's a stallion. >> wow, wipe the shock off your face for one second. okay. sweetheart maybe the flies in the suburb of london or wherever else you hang out, but here you're darn right he is. >> do you recommend toy boys? >> well, i think that there is -- i think i have a better chance of being asked out by a younger guy than a guy my age, for sure. how old are you? >> i'm 46 but i look younger. >> i thought you were like 60. ouch, that's got to hurt. now how much botox are you going to get? >> i've never had any form of surgery at all. >> oh, i can tell. >> well, i can tell you have. so we're both -- >> i'll show my stitches. >> let's have a break, show me the stitcheses after the break. after the break, kathy griffin's plastic surgery stitches. >> not here. that's all real. >> put them away. and then i also like how the kardashians have the way of talking. hi, i'm a kardashian. i'm so bored with my money. i don't know what to do with it. start the tape. all right. so -- [ laughter ] she said out to her friends, i would rath