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CNNW Piers Morgan Tonight April 11, 2012



santorum. >> while this presidential race for us is over for me, we will suspend our campaign effective today. we are not done fighting. >> now the real gloves are off. how will the obama-romney race go off? and my primetime exclusive with masters champion bubba watson. >> what goes through a golfer's mind when you're six inches away? other than don't -- >> exactly. i was going to be famous for missing or making it. >> game on. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight breaking news in the trayvon martin case. a special prosecutor has said she's prepared to hold a news conference in 72 hours. and lawyers saying they've lost contact with him and are dropping his case. could an arrest be coming soon? i'll talk to trayvon martin's parents. plus my exclusive with masters champion bubba watson. >> can you quite believe you're in the green jacket on cnn talking to the world about being masters champion? >> to my favorite person. >> obviously. >> yeah. >> but can you believe it? >> no. it's a dream i've never completed. it's a dream i've never finished. to be here, i guess now it's a dream come true. it's like heaven on earth. it's just a wild ride and hopefully this ride keeps going because it's fun right now. >> bubba watson. really uplifting and emotional interview with the masters champion. we begin tonight with the trayvon martin case. joining me now is sybrina fulton and tracy martin and their attorney benjamin crump. another difficult day for you. every day is bringing new twists and turns to this. what do you make and let me start with you, sybrina, perhaps. what do you make of the events today? the lawyers now apparently turning their backs on george zimmerman revealing as they did so that they don't really know where he is or what his state of mind is. >> that concerns us a great deal as parents that they don't know where he is. they should be close to him and in close contact with him and able to have communication. so it does bother us to know that they don't know where he is. >> tracy, we're being told angela corey who is the state attorney there is preparing a news conference in the next two or three days. do you get a sense of anxiety that this is all getting out of control? and that someone needs to take control of george zimmerman in particular very quickly? >> yeah. he definitely need to be contained. i think he needs to be in reach for his lawyers not to know where he at, that doesn't sit well with us. but for miss corey to come out and say she's going to make a decision in 72 hours, takes a little pressure off. it's definitely a lot of tension building up. just hoping for within the next 72 hours that the correct decision is made. >> ben crump, it's not necessarily going to be an announcement about an arrest. we don't know that yet. but are you encouraged by angela corey's statement just now sfl? >> the way it occurs, piers, however we have a lot of anxiety over the simple fact that nobody knows where the killer of trayvon martin is. that he is unaccounted for. that is a major concern because if the charges come forth like we believe and think rightfully should come from the special prosecutor, then the question is can they get him to be hold him accountable? he is a flight risk right now. we are concerned about that. >> sybrina, some strange erratic behavior by george zimmerman through a website. yesterday i revealed this on the show where he was quoting fr. he said i am attempting to respond so each and every one of my supporters personally. i thank you all and ask that you permit me the time to respond to all of you. thank you again. how do you feel as trayvon martin's mother seeing the man that killed your son thanking people over a website for the overwhelming support that he's receiving? >> i really haven't viewed the website. i know of the website from my attorney, but i haven't really viewed the website. i'm just really trying to stay focused on justice for trayvon. and i don't want things like that to distract me. things i don't pay attention to, that's one of them. >> do you feel as a family and again i'll put this to you sybrina, do you feel as a family that the sooner george zimmerman gets arrested, the better. not just for you and the process of justice but also for george zimmerman. >> i think it'll be a sense of relief on both ends. he will have a chance to have his day in court where he can plea for his self-defense if that's what he wants to use. but we just want him to be arrested so that he can come before a judge and jury. >> tracy, there's been endless speculation about this case. and i've spoken to you before about what we've known each step of the way. given all that you've seen now, all the evidence has been presented. everything that's been discussed and debated. is it possible knowing your son better than anybody, is it possible that trayvon could have instigated the altercation with george zimmerman and could have been potentially doing something to him that could have provoked him into thinking my life is in danger? >> first and foremost, piers, you have to understand the raising of trayvon. trayvon wasn't raised to be an aggressor as the lawyers who never met zimmerman are accusing trayvon of being an aggressor, the initiator. there's no doubt in my mind that trayvon was trying to get home. i mean, why would he approach an individual he didn't know? he don't know if this individual has a weapon on them. he don't know anything about this individual. so why would he approach him and attack him for no apparent reason? he never seen george zimmerman. he never heard of george zimmerman. so he had no reason to be the aggressor. trayvon -- i'm a firm believer in trayvon was being followed and provoked by george zimmerman. and i'm sure george zimmerman initiated contact. i'm just absolutely positively sure that trayvon didn't initiate contact. >> well, i hope we get to a position where we can have these facts properly debated. certainly seems of a legal process speeding up. and i think given the erratic behavior of george zimmerman in the last two days we've seen, the soober that happens the better for justice. thank you to sybrina fulton, tracy martin, ben crump. i appreciate your time to come on my show. we will continue to cover this case in the way we have been. thank you all very much. >> thank you. >> joining me now for more. let me start with you alan dershowitz. i've got to say when i watch the lawyers for zimmerman give their conference today, i find it distasteful bordering on shockingly unprofessional. i think that's why my interview with them got so fractious. they seem to be in this for self-serving purposes. what was your view as a lawyer of what went down today? >> well, i was very upset and very disturbed as a criminal defense lawyer and somebody who teaches professional responsibility to students. there's certain things a lawyer can do under the circumstances. a lawyer can simply say i am no longer representing this defendant but he can't explain why. he can't say the client rejected my advice. that's lawyer/client privileged communication. he can't say he may have an insanity defense. he can't say that -- the lawyers can't say we don't where he is. he may or may not be available. he can't say that he called the prosecution. all of these things are covered either by lawyer/client privilege or by the secrets that lawyers are supposed to keep of their clients. and there's just no reason why these lawyers should have appeared on television, held press conferences, and disclosed this information. all they had to do is quietly say we're no longer representing the defendant. our role in the case is over. >> debra mathis, i've always been struck from the start of this by how dignified trayvon martin's parents have been and continue to be. they're clear about their objective. simply to get the legal process in their eyes into a fair place. what do you think will happen if george zimmerman is never arrested? if there is no extension to the legal process? >> i don't know what may happen to his parents. other than the fact that they will have to live out their lives with this searing pain that not only did they lose their child suddenly, unexpectedly, cruelly, but there was no justice available to them as well. that is a wound that does not heal really. i can say that not having been through that, but i am a mother. and as mothers, we know about ache and heart ache and fear for our children. i don't know what the larger society may do. i shudder to think at how it may make us all feel. i would hope that peace would be maintained nonetheless. >> alan dershowitz, the state attorney is known to be a tough cookie. she's got a reputation for bringing many cases to trial. given her statement today, given the way this story has been developing, you'd be pretty amazed would you if this didn't at least lead to an arrest? >> i'd be surprised. i think that she will call for a prosecution. all you need to show for a prosecution is there's probable cause. but then florida has a strange statute. the defendant has a right to go in front of a judge. and if the judge finds that based on the statute he has a defense, the judge can give him what's called immunity. then it doesn't go to trial. and if it goes to trial, the jury has to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. so one possible outcome here is there may be an indictment but there may ultimately be an acquittal. that requires that zimmerman get a decent lawyer. his lawyers today, for example, say he may have been insane because he was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. now, if it was post-traumatic if it happened after the trauma, then he wasn't mentally ill at the time of the events at issue. moreover, you don't raise a defense like that without the permission of the client. so if he gets a good lawyer, he has a reasonable chance of being acquitted by a jury. but i think he'll be arrested and indicted. >> various defenders of his whether they are his lawyers, his former lawyers or just his friends is pretty sickening to hear. i don't understand, frankly, despite all the racial implications here, all the political involvement in here. i don't understand why as a country we can't just come together and at least say let's try this case and find out what happened. >> deborah, that's a good point. you have to leave it there. thank you for joining me. alan dershowitz, thank you for your legal point. when we come back, rick santorum drops out of the race leaving it to mitt romney. where does the campaign go now? 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[ laughter ] ♪ against all odds we won 11 states. millions of voters. millions of votes. we won more counties than all the other people in this race combined. we were able to spread that message far and wide across this country. >> that's rick santorum today. the big political news, suspending his campaign for the republican presidential nomination. it was looking more and more likely he could catch mitt romney. joining me now is the campaign manager. how are you feeling tonight as his campaign manager? >> holding my head high. i think everybody involved in the campaign feels pretty good. in the sense there was a lot that was accomplished. we in many ways led the republican party in this. as rick santorum said, winning 11 states, tying others, getting more counties than all other candidates combined is an impressive thing for a candidate with less money than the others. >> to win 11 states given where he was back in september with nobody giving him a prayer, it's been miraculous. these things soak the life out of any candidate and all the people around them, don't they? what was the moment for you guys when you realized the game albeit temporarily is up? >> you know, look. we're pretty good at being on the mystic. maybe some would say we were deceiving ourself. we weren't supposed to win many states. so we started to believe miracles could happen. there were three main factors this time. number one, we looked at the old math, the new math and we couldn't figure out how to get there on the delegate count. number two, we felt there was an appetite for the republicans to unify and take on barack obama. and frankly the senator's daughter being put into emergency room and spending three days in the hospital over easter was certainly a consideration for the santorum household. >> how is bella? she's back at home now, right? >> she is. she really is a miracle child. she beats the odds every single day. and she's really an inspiration for people. it was so great to see on the campaign trail, we'd go place to place and people would have signs that say i'm supporting bella's dad for president. and really an inspiration. >> she is. what happens now? presumably at some stage rick santorum having beaten mitt romney to a pulp with all he's got is going to have to turn around and say this guy should be president, right? >> well, absolutely. and you've got to understand. as hard as we tried and even some of the differences we have with mitt romney, certainly the differences with barack obama are much, much greater. one of the reasons the senator felt the need to suspend his campaign today is it's time to unify and get behind beating barack obama. too much is on the line. rick will be great at campaigning and great at helping that cause. >> does he hold any aspiration of a potential vp slot or is that pie in the sky really? >> look. i will say this. rick represents the conservative wing of the party and the tea party part of the party. and getting them excited about the fall campaign is going to be important. however, with that said, what rick has said publicly is he'll help however he can. if that would be helpful, he'd look at it. he was serious about being the republican nominee and right now his focus will be just on defeating barack obama. >> presumably, john, it's not the last we've heard of rick santorum and his presidential aspirations. there isn't a reason he couldn't campaign again next time around, right? >> well, i think he's not going to look past november. i think he feels there's a good chance for the republicans to beat president obama. i think he feels that that's a top priority and a need as well as to do well in the house and the senate for republicans. that's where he'll be focused. as you point out, he's young. we have a couple hundred thousand contributors and more activists. so i do believe he will be a force to help republican candidates all around the country this year. >> you came from nowhere, you guys. you took the political world by storm for a long time. i'm sorry you've had to suspend the campaign today. i wish you and the team that were behind senator santorum the best. please send my best to him and his wife. i'm sure knowing the pair of them, they are feeling much happier about the return of their daughter than they are feeling dismayed at the end of the campaign. >> without a doubt. and we certainly all got a lot of fun getting to know you, piers. we hope we'll still get invited back now that we're not quite as important as we were. >> i guarantee you you will be invited back. john, thanks for much. >> always a pleasure. you take care. >> i want to bring in my cnn colleague wolf blitzer. have we now seen real clarity? is this the end of the race? >> yes. the end of the republican race for all practical purposes. it's now romney versus obama. we've got seven months. it's going to be a fiercely fought contest. anyone who thinks they know who's going to win in november is wrong. because so much can happen. but the republican nominee is clearly going to be mitt romney. the democratic nominee obviously is president obama. so it's going to be a fun time for all of us who are covering politics to watch who's going to be the next president of the united states. >> how does it affect the way the primary is now played out? because newt gingrich and ron paul are both saying they'll stay in the race probably until the tampa convention. what does is that mean in reality? when we get to the next stage of primaries, how significant are they now in light of santorum pulling out? >> they're not very significant. it's all over for all practical purposes. they'll go through the motions. romney will pick up more and more delegates. he'll get to 1,144. so the coronation formally will happen at the end of august at the republican convention in tampa. but it's done. >> obama's campaign man said in a statement it's no surprise mitt romney was able to grind down on opponents under negative ads. but neither hi or special interest allies will be able to able to buy the presidency with negative attacks. that's a little rich by them? due to the ads. >> if you thought it was tough against the republican candidates themselves. just wait. this is going to be a brutal seven months with hundreds of millions of dollars spent on both sides. the republicans, they have a lot of money. they've got these super pacs that gillespie and rove have set up. those are going to be negative attack ads in the key battle ground states. about a dozen states going after president obama. and president obama, he's raising hundreds of millions of dollars himself. his pro-obama super pac not doing well. but they've raised a ton of money. if you own a tv station in one of these battle ground states like florida, ohio, pennsylvania, michigan, you're going to make a lot of money over the next seven months because the advertising revenue is going to flow in. >> certainly true. another person making money is masters champion bubba watson. you a golf fan? >> i'm not a huge player. i'm not a player at all but i watched the masters. he did great. he's a real colorful character. congratulate him on my behalf, piers. that one shot he did, that was really amazing. >> i urge you to stay on and watch. >> thanks, piers. coming up next is my primetime exclusive with the man of the moment, masters champion bubba watson.

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