five people are dead from injuries related to a suspected tornado in woodward, oklahoma. and the kansas governor has declared a state of emergency. let's go to susan candiotti in wichita. i'm wondering whether the early warnings in the region that you are in right now might have helped the situation. >> reporter: i can't imagine that they didn't, howie. they had to have played a huge role in that. after all, this is the first time i think since 2006 that they were able to give people who live in this region at least two days warning to be prepared for the storm. now, certainly it may have helped in many instances, but tornadoes, you know, can hit at random, but you can't help but think that it did help some people to be better prepared for the storm. >> weather system -- the weather forecasters doing their job. this is not over, and so at this point what's our information on where the greatest threats may lie in terms of other communities that might be struck by these twisters? >> reporter: well, i think that meteorologists have said that the most severe risk, the highest risk, was what we just experienced. now, on sunday they're talking about a more moderate risk, but the most dangerous conditions are predicted to be in wisconsin, minnesota, and iowa. we'll be keeping an eye on that as the day goes on. >> all right. susan trying to take in the damage across the region there. thanks very much for joining us. cnn will have continuing coverage of other developments on this extreme weather story. turning now to the trayvon martin case. now that george zimmerman is facing second degree murder charges, liberal and conservative commentators yet again choosing sides. take fox's sean handty who seemed to pick apart the case. >> your eyewitness was adamant in saying that he saw trayvon martin on top of george zimmerman beating mr. zimmerman. it seems like there might be some over charging here. >> as for msnbc's al sharpton, well, he outdid himself shortly after the announcement was made of the second degree murder charge. reverend al held a news conference with trayvon's parents. >> let me say 45 days ago trayvon martin was murdered. no arrest was made. >> an hour later sharpton put his media hat back on, interviewing the parents, for msnbc. >> i am sitting here at the washington convention center with the parents of trayvon martin, and we just finished the press conference with attorney ben krunk after they spoke with the special prosecutor. >> in new york lola, also commentator and former "new york times" reporter, and here in washington jane hall, associate professor of journalism american university and a former fox news commentator. jane hall, we finally have criminal charges in this case after six weeks of media finger-pointing. actual evidence of law enforcement, it seems to me the comment altors have gone back to their same old arguments. >> i think the commentators have, and sean hanniy has replayed many times this new black video for the bounty out for zimmerman, and now they're trying to talk about a rush to judgment. you know, reverend al, you can talk about the ethics of that, but to my mind endlessly replay this question, the whoet press on this case. >> because the black -- new black panther party is a minor fringe. sthoo they're a minor fringe group. what they did was despicable. the way it's being replayed on fox is to display peaceful protest and people who were calling for an arrest and a trial in this case. >> do you see the media here playing an inflammatory role as this has become kind of an obsession after the media, of course, spent the first two weeks being totally out to lunch on the importance of this fatal shooting of an unarmed teenager? >> i don't think they're playing an inflammatory role. i think thief been responsible for the most part. what you are seeing is that the viewers want more and more news about this very subject, and we are in the position right now in the news where it's about law of supply and demand, and the viewers are demanding more and more coverage. if we look at how the network msnbc has had 49% of their coverage dedicated to this, cnn has had about 40% of their coverage dedicated to this trayvon martin story, and fox has only had about 15% of their coverage dedicated to this story, so if anything, what you are seeing is maybe fox needs to play a little catch-up because viewers are not turned off by this story at all. in fact, what you are seeing is that they want more. >> but that would suggest that just because viewers want more of a particular story that it's fine for cable news network to air as much -- tee dee vote as much as half of its news time to one story about one tragedy in florida? >> well, we can't go into what's right and wrong about these things, howie. ultimately this is a business. it's a capitalist institution, and it's about the law of supply and demand. if your viewers are saying that they want more trayvon martin or they want more about michael jackson, then you got to be mindful of that. that's just the reality of the news world that we live in today. if you pretend -- to pretend to ignore that is not being realistic, actually. they're in the business of making money. >> i don't actually agree with that. i think that the coverage will die down. i think that the figures -- i believe the figures lola is talking about were for that last week in march. there was a national outrage over the six weeks that passed between the time that this happened and questions and zimmerman not being arrested and there not being a trial. i think it will die down. i don't mean any disrespect about that, but to my mind, this is different from giving people michael jackson coverage, which i think got pretty darn excessive. >> after he died. >> i'm not equating the two at all. just saying that right now what we're seeing is that the viewer is more in control of what they want to see on television in a way that they weren't before. the viewer has a lot more power in determining what they want to see on television than they did before. that's all i was arguing. >> in this past week there was this bizarre skeptical of the two former attorneys, george zimmerman, announcing at a news conference that they were leaving the case -- that their client wouldn't talk to them, but that he would talk to one person they found out about. a fox news talk show host. let's roll the tape of sean hannity. >> we have been pursuing an interview with mr. zimmerman to give his chance to tell his side of the story. now, yesterday i was contacted by an individual that we, in fact, belief was george zimmer marman. he reached out to me. we spoke on the phone about his case. i agreed not to report on the contents of that conversation. >> do you have any problem with sean hannity having an off the record conversation with george zimmerman, a potential defendant. >> everybody in the world was trying to get george zimmerman. as a journalist taking that call and the booking -- as lola was saying. everybody would be after that story. again, i separate that from the fact that i think fox was slow to cover this story and now they're very concerned about mr. zimmerman's rights. >> i don't have any problem at all with what sean hannity did. it's not uncommon for hosts to talk to guests. in fact, in this very story i talked to a reporter off the record trying to persuade her to come on this program. she was reluctant to step into the crossfire and decided not to. let me turn to the msnbc side because i do, as i flip back and forth between the channels, get the impression that some on fox are acting as zimmerman's defense lawyer, and many on msnbc taking trayvon's martin side and the side of his family. what do you think about al sharpton moving back and forth? he is at a news conference with the parents. he is interviewing the rally. he is heading a rally. >> the journalistic in me has a bit of a problem with that because that's just not how i was raised as a jrnlist. there was this understanding that there had to be pure objectivity. you were not the story. you reported on the story. but i understand -- in the short time that i have been in the business and well over the decade it's changed completely, and so the businesswoman in me looks as it and says, well, it's a win-win. al sharpton is not only part of the story, he is helping to create the story, and then he gets to report on the story. if these are the new rules of journalism, then i dare any other journalist out there to say to themselves, wow, if i had this opportunity to not only create the story but report on the story and essentially generate ratings for myself, i'm not sure they would walk away from that and say i wouldn't do that. >> jane hall, aep sharpton is entitled to do whatever he wants, but it's essentially allowing him to cover himself, to be a participant, an active participant, an out front participant in this same story that he is covering night after night for that channel. >> i agree. you know, i agree with lola. the lines have moved. the separation between church and state has changed. >> are there any lines at all anymore? >> you know, i don't know. >> there are not. there are not any lines. >> i think it's changed. >> there are no lines. >> there are no lines. >> out of the story. they got al sharpton. i think it's cable news that's pretty bifork ated with the exception of cnn. it's pretty much, you know -- you are looking for a different point of view on the two sides. >> let me roll some tape -- >> jane, that's the perfect word. point of view. pov is what rules on cable television right now. the stronger the pov, the more close to the story you are in terms of pov, the better it serves you. whether you are team sfwlimerman or team trayvon martin, pov reigns. >> in looking at those teams, one team -- trayvon martin's parents, have been on a lot of television shows. they've been on all the major morning shows. now, they can do whatever they want. everybody in the world, including me, has great sympathy for them, but since zimmerman chose not to speak out and, of course, his lawyers i'm sure didn't want him to, does that give their side an advantage because, you know, you've got these grieving parents working the circuit? >> well, you know, it's so hard not to be cynical about people, but everything that i have read and a reporter that i saw that i saw interviewed on "the daily beast" from "newsweek" says his mother is as she comes across. trying to hold it together. they went public with this to try to get a trial and an arrest, so it's hard to argue with that. >> they have every right to do that, where lola, brief comment from you. >> they did everything that a parent would do. if they felt like they weren't getting justice, it's by any means necessary. if you have to go to the media and appear on the media every day to insure that there's justice being sought for your child, i think any grieving mother, any grieving father, any responsible parent would do that. i don't fault them. in fact, i think they've handled themselves with the utmost dignity and grace. sfli wasn't faulting them. i'm saying perhaps it gave their side an advantage. we will follow this story as it heads to trial and more with cameras in the courtroom, that could be a spectacle. lola, jane, thanks for joining us. when we come back, joe, better known as the fox news mole, speaks to us exclusively about why he became a leaker and blew up his career. later, steve croft and bob silon of "60 minutes." 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>> i -- i believe everyone is aware of that at this point, howard. that was within fox news, and i went public. i didn't expect -- >> also -- you also, by the way, accepted $5,000 from gawker to serve as the fox mole. does that make you look like more of a weasle? >> i'm not going to comment on any financial arrangements that i may or may not have had with gawker, but what this was, howard -- this was a primal scream from a long-time fox employee who just couldn't take it anymore and could not take it one more day in that place. >> when fox first confronted you on suspicion that some of these videos had been access from your computer, you denied it? >> that's correct. >> did you think that you would get away with this, or were you half expecting to be fired? >> i knew after a point that they had me. after certain points just the evidence was there. had he nailed me, you know? i'm not a very good mole. i'm not good at espionage stuff. >> we won't sign you up for the cia, but fox says it's considering legal action against you, and that a crime was committed. do you feel that you broke any laws? >> i think their legal accusations are completely baseless, and they're trying to intimidate me into silence because i'm revealing unflattering information about the inner workings of the company. >> so let's talk about what you have revealed. among other things, you wrote that the newsroom is kind of a dreary place. you leaked a video where sean hannity was having friendly babter with mitt romney before an interview. you say they run conservative stories and headlines and has some racist comments in it. doesn't seem to amount to all that much. >> look, well, originally i could not reveal that much stuff. when i was still anonymous, if i revealed everything i knew, it would have gotten me right away. as it turns out, the digital trail was such that they nailed me anyway, but the original plan was to sort of leak it out and dribble it and maybe eventually i would some of the more interesting stuff i know would come out later. that's going to have to come at a later time. >> is that because you're saving it for a book deal or something like that? >> i don't know what i'm going to do next, howard. i'm still weighing a lot of options. you know -- that's -- i have seen it speculated in the press that that's what i was doing from the beginning. that was not the plan. >> so, joe, if you felt so uncomfortable with your situation at fox news -- nope. -- there are dozens and dozens of resumes. cnn must have gotten 20 resumes from me, and the truth of the matter is i was black balled within the industry that people hiring managers see fox news on your resume, and they say this guy is conservative, this guy is a nut. we don't want him in our organization. i was completely blackballed within the cable news industry after working at fox news. >> you say you don't want to reveal anything more now because i want to get a sense. you acknowledge being a traitor and weasle, so obviously you felt it was justified because you felt you had information to reveal, but it sounds like you were just uncomfortable with what you see as fox news's conservative leanings. >> that's correct. i think there is a lot of -- as has obviously been stated repeatedly in the media, there's a lot of right wing bias at fox, and the way they're slanting the news, i just couldn't take one more election cycle where they're on complete attack mode against the democratic candidate. >> were you conflicted at all in deciding to act like what you describe as a weez and a traitor -- did any part of you say, you know, i should judge quit and i shouldn't do this and i shouldn't be a mole? >> i have a lot of co-workers still at fox who i'm sure are reeling from this. i'm not a sobero path, howard. i don't want to make it sound like i world war ied there for eight years with a chip on my shoulder, and i hated everyone. there's a lot of, you know, really nice, you know, people who i really like and respect, so those people, if i hurt any of them, i apologize to them, but i felt the need to speak out because my story -- my story had to be told. i couldn't be in that building one day longer without, you know, exploding. >> joe, now that you have done this and acted as a mole against fox news, do you expect to get another job in cable news? >> well, i have been pass mying resume out around here. no takers yet. i think it's pretty safe to say my career in cable news is over. i don't foresee anyone outside of current tv hiring me, but i'm looking into new opportunities. that's -- i don't know what the future holds, but i'm looking forward to some new opportunities. >> joe, thank you very much. >> thank you, howard. you can watch the entire interview with joe on our website, cnm.com/reliable sources. i obtained a letter from a lawyer at fox telling me to preserve any documents he took from the network and saying be advised that your admissions are admissions of likely criminal and civil wrongdoing on both your and gawker's part, which will be subject of further extensive investigation. fox news will pursue its rights and remedies in appropriate legal forums." up next, steve croft and bob simon of "60 minutes" on the legacy of their late colleague mike wallace. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade. in your breakfast cereal, what is? 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