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morning. >> good morning, soledad, new video into cnn, homes entirely up in flames overnight in colorado, colorado springs. 32,000 people are on the run. the fire now roaring and unchecked and spread to 6200 acres and only 5% contained. the largest of the fires in that state is the high park fire, burning since june 9th. that fire has destroyed 257 homes, just epic fires in colorado. the only way back home by boat, debby now downgraded to a tropical depression, but still dumping a dangerous amount of rain over florida. 25 inches has come down in some areas around the coast. people are starting to come back to homes that are a total loss. >> the water was up this high. on the doors, everything inside the garage was floating. everything -- there was a walkway in the center and everything was stacked on the side. the water came up to crash down in on itself. >> the storm is expected to bring rains for another day as it heads to the atlantic. rob marciano has the latest on the storm. >> tropical depression so it weakened a little bit but the strength has never been an issue. the heaviest flooded areas across northern tier, most of the streamers left over from debby will be across central and southern florida. 10 plus, and in some cases 20 inches of rain across the northern part of the pen nis la. the expected track is it will move out to sea and maybe become a tropical storm once again but we'll be done with it soon. the heat the other big story, temperatures up over 100 degrees again and today that heat will be making its way off to the east a little bit, highs well over 100 creeping eastward towards the east coast. this is not good news for firefighters struggling with heat again in colorado. >> thanks, rob. two of washington's veteran lions each turning back primary challenges, 78-year-old orrin hatch won the republican senate primary and defeated dan lodgen quist, hatch is trying for a seventh term in the senate. in new york, charlie rangel also celebrating a primary victory this morning. he held off opponents to keep the dream of a 22nd term of congress in alive. it was thought the 82-year-old's career might be over because of a censure by house colleagues but charlie rangel made it. queen elizabeth has shaken the hand of former ira commander mcguinness, the queen's cousin was killed in an irish republican army attack. that handshake is the latest step in the road to peace and it is history right there. hollywood's finest paying tribute to the great nora ephron, she died after a battle of leukemia, she was dominated three times for an oscar. >> i love you get cold when it's 71 degrees out and it takes you an hour and a half to order a sandwich and you get a crinkle above your nose when you're look at me like i'm nuts. i can still smell your perfume on my clothes and i love you're the last person i want to talk to -- >> crystal released a statement, she was a brilliant writer and humorist, being her harry to meg's sally will always have a special place in my heart. i was lucky to get to say her words. she was 71, a brilliant writer. >> yes, she was. christine, thank you. supreme court is set to rule on the president's health care law tomorrow and the house is holding a contempt of congress vote against eric holder as these issues reach a boiling point, the president and mitt romney are statistically in a dead heat. the president leading mitt romney by three points, 47 to 43%. the lead within the margin of error. it's essentially unchanged from a poll back in may. maryland's democratic congressman chris van hollen joins us this morning. thanks for talking with us. >> great to be with you. >> thank you very much. a lot of conversation this week has been on what the supreme court ruled on, which was immigration. when i was talking to carlos gutierrez, his consistent message was forget about mitt romney, let's talk about what obama has done or hasn't done maybe is a better way of doing it. doesn't he have a point, immigration reform, there was an opportunity, was not done. when you look at the record number of people being deported, that's something the president has done. isn't this on immigration kind of a mixed bag for the president snd. >> i don't think so, soledad. the president did say he was going to make sure he enforced the law with respect to people here illegally. he did that. but he also said he was going to push very hard to make sure that the dreamers, young people who were brought here of no fault of their own, have an opportunity of a good life here in the united states and can contribute to our country as they want to do. the president tried to do that as you know. we were able to pass a dream act out of the house of representatives when the democrats were the majority. it was blocked by republicans in the united states senate. so the president made an effort on the dream act and as you know, if we can't get the dream act through congress, it's going to be very difficult to get something more comprehensive through the congress. so to hear our republican colleagues complain that the president hasn't put forward a total comprehensive plan when republicans wouldn't support the dream act, i think raises real questions of credibility on the republican side. >> i'm not sure it's exactly a complaint as much as it is it could have been done and wasn't done. here's what carlos gutierrez told me yesterday. >> i see this as one big mess throughout the country and the reason that we're in this mess is because the president has failed to provide leadership. what's going to happen now, soledad, it's going to get worse because we don't have that leadership. all states are going to start splintering and keep on splintering the country into different immigration laws when what we should have is leadership to have one national immigration policy which is exactly what governor romney wants to do. >> you're specifically talking about the dream act but what he's talking about, there was an opportunity early on and it was not done. could have been done and wasn't done. >> well, soledad, it could not have been done. and the point is, if you couldn't get the dream act passed, if you couldn't even pass a bill that said for those students who were graduating from our high schools from those individuals who have served in our military, for them we're going to make sure that they are not deported. they were brought here through no fault. if you can't get that passed, republicans in the senate, how can you talk about doing comprehensive immigration reform? it's interesting to hear mitt romney on the campaign trail, we know what his policy was, clearly stated in the primary, self-deportation, make life absolutely miserable for everybody here, including the dreamers, including these kids. so they'll self-deport. that has been the republican solution. again, if you can't get republicans to agree on the dream act, it is just nonsense to talk about republicans agreeing to comprehensive immigration reform -- >> there was a point when the democrats controlled both houses, right? i think there was a missed opportunity. i get you're talking about the dream act and you're absolutely right about that. if you go back the first year and the window in which there was an opportunity and the president decided instead to focus on something else. >> soledad, he did focus on the economy, there's no doubt about that. when the president was sworn in, the economy was falling through the floor as you know, we were losing over 800,000 jobs every month. the first order of business was to pass the recovery bill, which the nonpartisan congressional budget office has said saved up to 3 million jobs in 2010 and has helped bolster a very fragile economy. we need to keep working. i don't think there's any surprise that the president was focused on jobs and the economy as he should be. what i'm saying with respect to the dream act, the last time the democrats were in control of the house and the senate, we did pass the dream act out of the house and a republican filibuster in the senate blocked it. we had a majority of votes in the united states senate but republicans used the obstructionist tactics as they've done with issue on jobs with the issues on a whole range of other important matters to the american people, they use their ability to block and obstruct things in the senate to block the dream act. yes, when the democrats were in the majority, we did pass the dream act out of the house. it was blocked in the senate. just like mitch mckoj, the current senate leader helped block the mccain/kennedy presencive bill and back then the parties were able to get together and president bush was supportive of that effort. that bill too was ultimately blocked by republicans in the senate. so they talk a great game, soledad but the reality is when it comes to doing the work of putting something together, all you have is poisonous rhetoric. >> let's talk about health care, going to be ruled on by the supreme court most likely tomorrow. what if the law is struck down as unconstitutional. what happens? what's plan b? >> first of all, we'll now know within 24 hours what the supreme court will rule and everybody is obviously anxiously anticipating that. i'm quite confident that the court will not strike down the whole bill. and -- >> what if they do? >> well, i don't think they will. i think we can wait and see. the big issue will be if they were to somehow strike down a portion of it, and again, i think there's a better than 50% chance they will not strike down a portion that they will uphold it all, the issue then will be the fact that our republican colleagues have said their first order of business will be to try to repeal legislatively the remainder, things that are left, things that would probably be like the provisions that allow kids to remain on their parents insurance policies until they are 26. make sure that we close the prescription drug doughnut hole soz seniors don't have to pay exorbitant amounts. if the court does not strike those provisions down, that they will move rapidly to knock them all out. in that scenario, we would be working hard to protect the elements that remain. i want to stress the fact that like the top lawyer during the reagan administration, the solicitor general of the reagan administration has said in his view that the entire law is constitutional under the congressional powers of the commerce clause and i agree. >> we will know tomorrow, won't we? >> we will know. >> chris van hollen, nice to see you sir. appreciate it. we'll talk to republican senator ron johnson, he'll join us live. ahead this morning, from the boom of the housing bubble to a complete bust, the biggest city yet on the verge of bankruptcy. and fear it could invite chaos on the street. quiet please, a plan to silence the grunting women on the tennis court. all, none or some, going to continue to talk about the questions 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house gop leaders will discuss whether to let student loan interest rates double or to extend the current rate cut. the senate says it already has an agreement. congress has until sunday to act. stockton california expected to file bankruptcy at any moment, becoming the largest city in u.s. history to file chapter 9. the city is $700 million in debt. mediation with its creditors failed late last night. u.s. stock futures are flat right now, we're watching for news from the european summit meeting in brussels, also, durable goods orders will give us a fresh look at the health of the american economy. soledad? >> christine, thanks very much. tomorrow the supreme court will rule on president obama's health care law, they could uphold or strike down the entire law or only rule or certain provisions. the most con tept shouse part is the individual mandate that would require all americans to have insurance or face a penalty. dr. sanjay gupta a correspondent and worked in the white house during the clinton administration, thanks for being here in person. can a law survive if they strike down the individual mandate, which is the section everybody is looking at and most focused on? >> both republicans and democrats say it can survive. there's 450 other provisions. we're obviously paying attention to this one. from a pragmatic sense, it's a little bit hard to see how that works. part of it is the pragmatic, you bring more money with the mandate because more people are forced to buy health care insurance and that money was supposed to offset the cost for people who were chronically ill or going to the hospital for some sort of illness. i don't know how it works for the hospitals, the states that have to do it, it's going to be hard. >> if in fact they strike down the individual mandate, they might also have to strike down the provision about preexisting conditions, that's very expensive and also the provision that looks at funding for elderly people, also very expensive, right? they are connected? >> they are connected because it's really chasing the money. i've asked a lot of people about that very thing, can you have the preexisting nondiscriminatory clause without the mandate. both people say, yeah, we would like to keep that. that's something that popular, we don't want to get rid of that regardless of the mandate. >> the issue is, there's also precedent for this which a lot of people don't realize, not at the federal level but state level, since the 1990s, we have a map to show how many states have tried some sort of health care reform. let me zero in on kentucky and tell you in 1994, exactly what you just described happened in kentucky. you cannot discriminate on people based on preexisting conditions and there was no mandate. what they found happened as you might expect was that everybody's premiums went up. people in kentucky who have nothing to do with this, i'm sured and not paying attention to the whole law, they saw the premiums go up by 40%, again to help pay for people who are getting their insurance without discrimination. >> that's kind of metaphor for health care, isn't it? if you have a bunch of people, what's the number of people who are without insurance? >> it varies but anywhere up to 50 million. >> 50 million people without insurance, those who have health insurance, were underwriting them because at some point they show up in the system, usually in an emergency room. >> you can put a price tag on that. $56 billion they say in uncompensated care, outrageous hospital costs and higher premiums, all of that. >> if, this is a big hypothetical, the individual mandate is thrown out. >> i sit around in the locker room at the hospital and this is what we talk about. this is kind of crazy. the reality in the immediate impact there won't be much, a lot of the health care law has not been implemented. i don't think we'll see a lot of change. there will be an election between now and when most was supposed to be implemented. i talked to folks doing health care for governor romney, they say, we want to keep that nondiscriminatory clause in. we would increase competition for insurance purchase across state lines. but in the immediate, next year or two, i don't think we would notice much of a change. dr. sanjay gupta, we'll now soon. >> tomorrow. >> always great to see you, appreciate it. >> still ahead, loud mouthed tennis players be warned. women's tennis has a new plan to silence those who grunt on the court. don't miss our get real up next. here's our starting point team walking in, margaret hoover and will cain. here's will's playlist. 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>> thank you for your tweet. >> i'm kidding. i know other words besides curse words. >> our team is back, john fugelsteng is back and margaret hoover and will cain, a columnist for the blaze.com. our get real this morning, normal game of tennis typically has a noise level of 60 to 70, but top ranked maria share poef va has a 101 decibles why is this a problem? >> for context a lion roars at 110. >> some players and officials think the grunting is cheating, they are trying to disinstrusttr opponent. there's a new plan to crack down on grunters. umpires will have hand held devices to measure levels. >> but not make the people already grunting change the mode of play. >> you'll be grandfathered in on grunting. >> crazy. >> in other words you're saying it's only going to apply to women, women of the future. >> you cannot be serious as another tennis player who never got fined might say. >> i went into the story thinking this is insane, but when martina said she thinkds it's cheating, a way -- a loud noise to distract your opponent and supports the measure, today's women are louder and more abrasive. >> in that case, everything venus has ever worn is cheating. >> you're not playing against her. >> that loud noise is designed to mask the sound of hit the ball to you can't hear if there's spin on it it makes sense. >> martina would know. >> it's not applied to women and men? >> maybe we'll see what happens with the men. >> grunting in women's tennis is going to be banned but hockey fighting is still strongly encouraged. >> that's the entire game, come on. still ahead this morning, miracle recovery for a woman fighting a rare bacteria that was literally eating her alive. her name is amy copeland and she's ready to go home. her father will join us to talk about how she's doing this morning. >> plus, the fireworks show, awesome. oops, wasn't planned. we'll explain. here's margaret hoover's playlist, regina specter. us. no matter where you go. no matter what you do. when you're living with moderate to severe crohn's disease, there are times it feels like your life... revolves around your symptoms. if you're tired of going around in circles, it may be time to ask your gastroenterologist about humira. because with humira, remission is possible. humira has been proven to work for adults who have tried other medications... but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer, have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. if you're tired of going around in circles, get headed in a new direction. ask your gastroenterologist about humira today. remission is possible. ♪ >> that's "call me maybe." that's off of will cain's playlist. >> that certainly is not. >> you can be denied military service if that's on your play list. >> his face, that was so worth it. his face, he was so mad. i love it. >> that was fun. >> that was very good thinking of will cain. >> they like that, didn't they? >> we did. no, that's not will cain's play list but we gave it to him this morning to mess him up. you can go to our website if you want a request for all request friday, go to our blog, cnn.com/starting point and tweet us, go to facebook -- there's too much to read there. let's get christine to update us. >> hello, the storm that will not go away, debby downgraded to a tropical depression but still dumping a dangerous amount of rain over florida. 25 inches has come down and it isn't over. forecasters predict another 4 to 8 inches could hit northern florida as debby heads slowly, slowly towards the atlantic. the crisis in syria is likely to be a prime topic on secretary of state hillary clinton's three nation tour of finland, latvia and russia. clinton wants support for a political transition in syria, something russia has opposed. meantime syrian president assad says the country is in a state of war and his regime claims opposition fighters planned explosive devices killing three people. the summer olympics now a month away, a couple of hours ago the olympic rings were lowered to kmem rate the 30-day countdown. they are 36 foot tall, each ring the size of a double-decker bus. talk about blowing up your spot, an unexpected fireworks show stopping traffic in chester, west virginia. an illegal fireworks stand caught fire in a bar parking lot. an extension cord running lights to the stand may have been the spark. fireworks shot through the window of the bar but no one was hurt. the owner is expected to be charged. she's making headlines on the enginejersey shore, louise , was asbury park to enforce a law to ban speedos and if it is enforced violators could face a $2,000 fine, 90 days in jail and community service. >> tough stuff. >> there are some people really who should not be wearing revealing clothing on the boardwalk. >> that's true, aesthetic felony for that. >> jamie dimon walks but string bikini on the boardwalk gets you 90 days in the clink. >> i don't think it's that severe, but maybe. depends on how bad the string bikini on. amy copeland who is battling a flesh eating disease may be able to go home next week. her family has released this photo showing a smiling amy with her parents outside of her hospital in augusta, georgia. it was her first time outside in 49 days. copeland has been fighting for her life after a zip lining accident back in may left her with a rare bacterial infection. doctors were forced to amputate both of her hands, her left leg, her right foot and have to do multiple skin grafts. but her condition is improving and her father says she might be able to leave the hospital as early as next week. andy copeland is amy's dad and joins us. the photo was amazing. so great to see her, first time she's left the hospital in 49 days. what was that like to take her outside finally? >> well, it was really a great event. actually, we didn't know that until that morning when the doctor came and said, you know, amy, how do you feel about getting in a wheelchair this morning and getting out? she said that would be great. amy says, can i go outside? he said, i don't see why not. so when we actually wheeled her down the hallway and out the door, i mean, she was just so excited. if you could imagine 49 days being cooped up in side of a small room, the walls seem to close in after a while. the whole world opened up for amy when she rolled out that door. >> her injuries are so, so severe and yet you see her smiling. how is she doing emotionally? how is she holding up? >> emotionally she just continues to amaze me. she has had moments when she's had a difficult time early on, i think and she -- i think she's been through a mourning process of losing her limbs, but it's amazing on sunday i asked her, amy, now that we're outside and we were sitting outside under the shade of a pine tree and there was a nice breeze blowing and warmth of the sun and she was taking it in. i asked her, now that you've come this far through this event, what are your thoughts? and her response to me just blew me away, she said, i feel blessed. and i asked her to elaborate and she said, you know, i feel unique. she said that i have a unique opportunity that god has basically given me a challenge. she said she's always one to love a challenge and she's really looking forward to being able to make the most of this disability and to use as a platform i think to inspire others, that blew me away. >> there are a lot of people who have been following how she's doing, certainly on facebook as well. has that helped her, interacting with people, strangers who are checking on her progress? >> she hasn't actually done any active interaction with anyone. but i have been reading cards to her. i'm been reading well wishes that have been sent by a lot of people in response to the blog. in fact, i was looking at the blog this morning waiting to come on air. there's just some amazing responses, people sharing their own testimonies of amazing things that have happened in their life. what i think amy -- the one thing she understands through all of this, it seems to me a whole nation, a whole world in fact has been pulled together through faith, through her testimony and i think people now realize that the power of prayer is real and it really does work. >> her doctors have upgraded her condition. it went from serious to good now, which is great news. and your doctors are talking about maybe being able to take her out of the hospital. what are they saying about that? >> right now she will leave the hospital next week. we're looking at rehab facilities right now. there's several really good rehab facilities across the united states. so we haven't really zeroed in on one. i was hearing on the radio that she's coming to atlanta. we don't know that for sure. we know she won't be coming home. we've got to get our home prepared for her. we have things to do to get ready for her. right now our home is inaccessible for somebody in amy's condition. >> she looks to great and that photo is a wonderful thing. thank you for talking with us this morning. good luck to you. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, soledad. >> still ahead on "starting point", pat tillman gave up a pro football career to fight for her country in afghanistan. he was killed by friendly fire. this morning we talk to his widow, marie about something special that her late husband left behind. it led to her new book called qult the letter." a new playoff system approved for college football but not silencing the critics exactly. you're watching "starting point." we'll talk about that straight ahead. cide oamerica people in has an impact on all of us. how can we save these young people's lives? 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good-bye bcs, college football finally has a playoff system. a plan was approved for a four team playoff, all of the major traditional bowls will stay be played with a rotating national championship game at some neutral site. critics say it solves nothing. why does it solve nothing, will cain? >> i don't think it does solve nothing. i think it is a good start. the complaint in college football has always been some complaint over the bcs system, is it really picking the right two teams the best two teams? here we have at least expanding the field to four. we don't know how it is going to be four. >> the formula? >> how will the teams will be selected? that's going to be the source of controversy. the college presidents have resisted the concept of a playoff for so long. it is at least a start. not perfect, not where we want it to go but a start. >> set up to have the great cinderella stories the narrative of a team that no one thought was going to win and makes it and makes it and people never interested become interested in the story. >> doesn't open it up like the ncaa basketball tournament. >> for that reason alone. >> there are teams tcu or utah or somebody like that, boise states gets in the top four. now they have a chance to play in the national championship game should they win. >> i would like to thank college football for keeping colleges alive in america. >> that's fair to say. >> that and student loan program which we'll talk about later. >> still ahead, when pat tillman went to war, he left a letter for his wife just in case something happened. in it he asked of her a very important favor. his widow, marie tillman will join us this morning to tell us about that favor, that request and also about her new book. you're watching "starting point." a party? 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[ female announcer ] new ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. twenty-one vitamins and minerals. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach. refreshing nutrition in charge! on april 22nd, 2004, pat tillman was killed in afghanistan by friendly fire. in a new book called "the letter", his wife, marie tillman chronicles her life from high school sweetheart to army widow and journey through grief after his death. it refers to a letter tillman left for her just in case he was killed, a letter she opened the night she learned he was dead. in it, through the years i asked a great deal of you, therefore it should surprise you little that i have another favor to ask. i ask that you live. joining us this morning is marie tillman. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> what did you think when you got that letter and opened it up and he said i ask for you to live. what was your first thought? >> that night when i read the letter it was one of the most difficult things to read and really something that i didn't think i would be able to do, to move forward and to live my life. but now i realize what a gift that was that he left for me. >> why did you want too write book now? it's been eight years. >> time has gone by and i really felt like as i've been out there doing the work i do at the foundation and meeting people and hearing other stories of loss and seeing that people were able to relate to my story and my experience, i felt like it might be something that could help other people going through a difficult time. >> marie, that letter that pat left for you, did you know that he had left a letter for you just in case you had to find by accident almost? >> no. i did know that it was there. he actually wrote it when he was first deployed in iraq and had left it when he returned safely. so i did know it was there. >> you say it was a gift. it must at the time, though, have felt like a burden, though, to give you a command, thinking i cannot even imagine being able to do this one day. how did it turn out to be a gift? >> you know, to see what he had left for me and to know that really his wish that i move forward and that i try to live my life. as i did feel like i could take those steps, it was something that i would go back to and know that that was what he wanted. because certainly there is a certain amount of guilt that comes as do you move forward. and try to live your life. and you feel like, you know, you should be grieving forever. >> you said something in the book that i've heard from other military families. gold star families. that you discovered in yourself there is part of you that you didn't even know existed. you never imagined you'd be somebody that would write a book. and you see this with many gold star families. can you explain sort of how going through the grieving process has helped you grow as a person? >> yeah. i mean, i think that when you're going through something like that, you are at your lowest in a lot of ways, and you just really find the strength that's inside of you that gets you up every day and pulls you through. and it's amazing. things i never thought were there. >> one of the things i really admire about the tone you've taken is that this book is a testament to how even though we have lost someone, we must continue to love them in the present tense. did you feel in a way that writing this book and publishing it was your gift back to pat? >> i think that's a nice way to put it. and i do feel that by sharing his words and our life together that it is a way to sort of celebrate him and honor him. >> how much harder was it when you learned the real circumstances of his death? and there were all the testifying because of course you were told originally one thing, that he was killed by the taliban. and then it turned out in fact that it was friendly fire. and there were congressional investigations and hearings. and at one point, donald rumsfeld testified. i want to play a little chunk of what he said in his testimony. let's play that. >> i know that i would not engage in a cover-up. i know that no one in the white house suggested such a thing to me. i know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that. >> here's what you write about that hearing. you say, every fiber of my being was crying, bull blank, but i kept a stone face while remaining rigid and unmoving in my seat. you say a lot of people would have loved the hero story. they would have embraced the hero story. but pat was not that guy. >> you know, i mean, he was a hero in many ways. he was a hero to me. >> but to hear the story spun that way. >> but the story was something different. and i felt like it actually took away from who he was. reasonab really who he was. >> what do you mean? >> by trying to fabricate a story. it somehow was implying that who he was and the actions that he took were not heroic. and i believe that they were. so, you know, the congressional hearings were certainly difficult to sit through. it was something that prolonged the process. and made it harder to move forward. >> but to me, that was really where a different level of heroism came out in this whole sad saga. the resolve that you and mr. tillman's parents displayed in the face of this cover-up, in the face of the lies about how he died, really was a new story of heroism that inspired me every bit as much as what your husband did. have you had a lot of people come up to you and give you and his parents credit for standing up in the face of that cover-up? >> certainly. i think a lot of people responded to that. and, you know, i definitely have to give most of the credit to his mom. i mean, she really was the driving force behind all of that. >> you write a lot about privacy. privacy, privacy, privacy is a really big theme in this book. and of course, now the opposite of privacy. how did moving away from privacy, really opening up your life story, how was that more helpful and more valuable to you ultimately than what you wre originally seeking? >> you know, i think that by writing the book in some ways i was able to take control of that, to put things out there that i felt comfortable with and was able to share my story in a way to be helpful to others but also maintain a sense of privacy. >> can you tell us about the foundation? what does the foundation do? >> the pat tillman foundation works with veterans and their spouses and provides college education for them. >> and how many applicants do you have? >> we have several thousand applicants a year. currently we have 230 scholars that we support. so it's been a really exciting journey. >> one last question. your book is called "the letter." we talked about this letter that pat left for you asking you to live. you told us that you knew the letter was there. that day when you find out pat had died, and you knew you had that letter waiting for you, was that something that you looked forward to or something you almost feared? >> it was kind of a mixed emotion. certainly i knew that opening that letter would make it seem that much more real. but yet i really was thankful to have those last words. >> he said i want you to live. so how have you done that? you have a baby. >> i do. >> you are remarried. you have now four kids. tell me about your life. >> you know, i do feel like i am living the way that he would have wanted for me. i do. i have a new husband. and four beautiful children. and the work that i do at the foundation. and i feel really like i'm in a good place. and at peace with everything. >> it's nice to have you talk to us about the book, which is called "the letter." marie tillman, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up in our 8:00 hour, nearly a year since amy winehouse's tragic death. and her father, mitch winehouse, has also written a book about his daughter's troubled life. we'll talk to him about that and who he's blaming for amy's death. and irving magic johnson owns a piece of the dodgers and today he'll launch a new tv network to try to highlight the positive achievements of african-americans. magic will join us live on "starting point" right after this. ♪... ♪... choose the perfect hotel your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet the house is considering a bill to close thousands of offices, slash service and layoff over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem ? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains $5 billion a year from post office revenue while the postal service is forced to overpay billions more into federal accounts. house bill 2309 is not the answer. welcome to "starting point." it's a dead heat. a new poll shows president obama and mitt romney are in a virtual tie, but it's another story if you look at the crucial swing states. drugs, alcohol, the downward spiral of amy winehouse. her father will join us this morning to tell us who he blames for her early and tragic death. and magic's kingdom. the laker legend, irving "magic" johnson will join us to talk about his new addition to his empire. and new orleans quarterback drew brees will be with us. his team has gotten a bad rap for delivering bad hits in the bounty scandal. now he is trying to to educate people about concussions. ♪ and i said what about breakfast at tiffany's ♪ ♪ she said i think i remember the film ♪ >> i like this song. it's just been played and played. >> it's three chords, three notes, over and over and over. >> and they tend to play it on the radio constantly. >> that's why it's my karaoke song because i can only hit three notes. >> the irony of the song is it's not about "breakfast at tiffany's." it's about the movie "roman holiday." >> details, details. >> i know this crap. >> i know you do. >> that was margaret hoover's play list. she is the author of "american individualism." and john is with us as well. you've been busy. >> i've been stalking you on airplanes. >> please don't say that. will cain is with us as well of theblaze.com. on "starting point" this morning, the heated political climate, easy for me to say. tomorrow the supreme court will rule on the president's health care law. the house is planning on holding a contempt of congress vote against attorney general eric holder. president obama and mitt romney are in this tight race, trying really to focus on the swing states. and there's a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll that shows that 50% of people living in the 11 battle ground states prefer president obama. 42% back mitt romney. it's all within the margin of error. people living in the state of colorado, florida, iowa, michigan, nevada, new hampshire, new mexico, north carolina, pennsylvania, virginia, and wisconsin were polled. republican senator ron johnson is a romney campaign surrogate, also from the swing state of wisconsin. nice to see you. appreciate your time. not only that poll is new. there's also a poll that takes a look at -- it breaks down sort of the voters. and if you look at african-americans, no surprise, president obama is leading significantly. 92% to 1% for mitt romney. if you look at women, president obama is leading 52% to 39%. voters who are relatively young, 18 to 29, 52% to 35% for mitt romney. independents, a little bit more of a squeaker there. 40% to 36%. really technically neck and neck because there's a sampling error of plus or minus 6%. when you look at these polls in total, tell me what the strategy is to try to get, you know, a little more play on the map there. >> i think any american that's concerned about having a job or any american that's concerned about the mountain of debt that we heaped on the backs of our children and grandchildren, and really mortgaging the future, i think those people look at governor romney and say, here's somebody who will be a leader and actually start addressing the problem. you know, actually propose solutions to save security and medicare. and i think that's what basically the message and the campaign that governor romney i think will be running. >> do you think that the conversation is about immigration, even though we have been having a lot of conversations this week, do you think they are irrelevant to some degree? i was talking to carlos gutierrez, a spokesperson for the campaign yesterday, and i couldn't get a straight answer from him. >> does mitt romney support sb 1070, yes or no? >> soledad, it's a little bit more complicated. let me just say this. >> it's not. it's not. >> no. what the governor has said, and he made a statement yesterday, he supports the rights of border states to do what they have to do according to the law to protect their borders. >> and does that include stopping and detaining anyone and checking the immigration status of that person if they have reasonable suspicion if the person is in the country illegally? i'm not just sparring with you, sir. as you know, this is the critical, central, most controversial portion of this bill. and governor romney has not said if he supports it or not. >> but this is not about governor romney. >> it is if he wants to be president. why is it so hard to articulate his position on immigration? >> first of all, soledad, this is a very difficult issue. and what arizona is trying to do is it's basically trying to address a problem that president obama and the federal government has basically abdicated their responsibility on. these are very serious issues. they are difficult issues. and president obama said during his campaign that this was such an important issue he was going to handle the immigration problem in his first year. he has done nothing on it. he certainly has done nothing to secure our borders, which is the first step. and that's a real problem. because we're not going to solve our immigration issue until we secure our borders. and this is much more than just immigration issue. it's a national security issue as well, as people can come into this country, people that threaten this country, because we rehave refused to secure our borders. >> soledad, i wonder if senator johnson and the romney campaign actually look at the numbers, seeing how close they are, and knowing we are not even to july yet, mitt romney hasn't garnered the republican nomination yet. the majority of americans who are going to be voting in november haven't gotten to know mitt romney yet, and whether they take a little bit of hope from the numbers that -- thinking that maybe when they get to know mitt romney then they'll have a more informed opinion that maybe the disparity, since it is so close, is just because they don't know the candidate yet. >> you asked what is the strategy. the "wall street journal" wrote yesterday that senator johnson's existence is in fact a strategy. that the republicans can go into what have been reliably democratic states like wisconsin, michigan, and minnesota and hope to make up ground. i don't know if that's true or not. but senator johnson's office, that he exists and holds it, might be evidence of that. >> i'd like to ask senator johnson. good morning, sir. when you consider that the president has sent national guard troops to the border, has a record number of deportations, and last april we found out that america has had a net zero increase of illegal immigrants, and the governor hasn't yet taken a stance on this controversial topic, how does the governor claim he is taking leadership more than the president on this issue? >> first of all, we have seen reports that border agents aren't able or have been discouraged from actually reporting the true extent of the problem on the borders in terms of not actually enforcing the borders. >> net zero increase in illegal immigration as of april. >> that's because our economy is in such dire straits that there aren't the jobs here to attract the illegal immigrants. >> so bush gets credit. >> these are serious issues, but it has to start first with border enforcement. and this administration really has been terrible in terms of actually trying to secure our borders. and that's where it first starts. >> let's talk about the supreme court expected to rule on health care. we are expecting that at 10:00 tomorrow morning. give me the hypotheticals on this. let's say in fact that it's shot down. what happens next? >> well, first of all, that's obviously what i'm hoping. the cleanest decision -- >> we know. >> the cleanest decision would be to totally, you know, rule the entire law unconstitutional, and then we can start over with an open debate and a step-by-step approach. republicans are not going to be putting forward a 2,700 page bill, another 12,000 pages of rules and regulations. we're going to take a look at the individual issues. and debate openly. and let's face it. the greatest impediment to access to health care is the cost. and this president promised if we enacted his health care law, the average cost for a family plan would decrease by $2,500 per year. it's actually up by over $2,000 per year. that's making it more difficult for families to access care. so you need to reintroduce the free market disciplines into health care, and you start with some common sense tort reforms so that we can get rid of the huge costs of malpractice and defense of medicine. >> there are lots of people i think who think that the individual mandate is not such a great idea. but there are people who are very beholden to the idea of covering people with pre-existing conditions, with the cost of keeping the premiums for elderly people. how much of a political hit will you take if it looks like republicans are responsible, that's a big if, for killing this bill? i think that people who want their pre-existing conditions covered, that could be some kind of leverage in an election year, don't you think? >> the way you handle pre-existing conditions is how you do it in wisconsin with the high risk pool. in the state of wisconsin, 95% of the population either has coverage or has access to coverage, whether they decide to alas access it or not. we didn't need 2,700 pages to do that. and i think this is far better left to the states to figure out what is the best way of handling people with pre-existing conditions. you can't just force insurance companies to take all comers or you will bankrupt those insurance companies. and by the way, individuals would never buy health care. why would you, if you can wait until you're basically on the way to the hospital? so that's a system that doesn't work. and democrats that passed the health care law even admitted that covering everybody with pre-existing conditions with no penalties does not work without the individual mandate, which i believe is unconstitutional, and i hope that's the way the supreme court rules. >> we will see how the supreme court is going to rule and maybe we'll get a chance to talk about it tomorrow again, sir. senator ron johnson, republican from the state of wisconsin. nice to have you with us. appreciate it. >> have a good day. let's get right to christine for an update on the top stories. it has exploded. new video in to cnn showing overnight homes entirely up in flames in colorado springs. 32,000 people have been chased from their homes. this fire now raging unchecked spreading to 6,200 acres. it is only 5% contained. the largest of the fires in the state. the hyde park fire, has been burning since june 9. that one has destroyed 257 homes. to florida, where debby has now been downgraded to a tropical depression. the storm has dumped a dangerous amount of rain over florida. more than 25 inches in some parts. people just gbeginning to retur home by boat and finding total loss. >> the water was up this high on the doors. everything inside the garage was floating. there was a walkway in the center, and everything was stacked up on the sides. the water started floating everything, and it collapsed down in on itself. in washington, the art of survival. 78-year-old senator orrin hatch beating back a tea party challenge in the utah senate primary. hatch easily defeated former state senator dan lilliankwist. he says he did it by outworking his younger opponent. hatch is trying for a seventh term in the senate. charlie rangel also survived a primary challenge in his harm el district. he was facing voters for the first time since being censured for ethics violation. he is running for a 22nd term in congress. she touched millions with her words. nora efron is being remembered this morning after losing her battle with leukemia. she is remembered for "harry met sally" and this classic scene. >> yes, yes, yes! oh, oh, oh, oh, god. oh. >> i'll have what she's having. >> billy crystal said in a statement i'm very sad to learn of nora's passing. she was a brilliant humorist and writer. being her harry to meg's sally will always have a special place in my heart. i was very lucky to get to say her words. >> i loved "heartburn" too. >> yes. i loved that one too. also a good director too. ahead on "starting point" this morning, he has taken some big hits. now drew brees talks about his mission to try to educate folks about concussions. and today's "tough call," no air conditioning in texas prisons. is that cruel and inhumane? 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>> this is an important issue right now. especially here over the last few years. the more that we discover about concussions and the likelihood of concussions in various sports. and especially as it affects children. also maybe creating a paradigm shift too in just the way that we approach sports and athletics. and i think so much of the way we were brought up was toughness and you're going to fight through it. even if you get your bell rung, shake it off and go back out. the more studies that we see, you know, when you get your bell rung, that's potentially a mild concussion or a concussion. >> how many concussions have you had? >> you know, i've had one back in 2005 when i played for the san diego chargers. that was the first time i had really had one to that degree. and this was in the early third quarter of a game. and it wasn't medical mid fourth quarter that people started to recognize that i just wasn't all there. >> what were you doing? >> just, you know, dazed, lack of awareness. having to concentrate so much just to be able to call a play. you know, i went back in and i played for a while. and then finally, one of my coaches pulled me aside and said, be honest with me. how are you feeling right now? and i said i'm a little shaky. and he said, all right. you're out. and i said, but -- and he was like, no, you're out. so it was good he was able to detect that for me. >> the baseline is critical. and that's really what you're offering through this pace test. >> and that's a great first step to identify whether somebody is a little off kilter. you know, if they are coming out of a game and, you know, thigh have had their bell rung or they were knocked out, certainly they suffered a mild traumatic brain injury or traumatic brain injury that needs to be diagnosed and then treated. and they might not go back on the field for a week or two weeks or maybe longer. but it's better to make sure they are 100% healthy before they go back out there again. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about the bounty scandal and the very harsh penalties that follow. what do you think of those peoples? when tiki barber comes in, because he hangs out with us a little bit, he says it happens all the time. there's a sort of, throw a couple of bucks that way. if you hit somebody hard. that's not unusual. is it over, you think? >> there's a big difference between pay for performance and pay to injure. pay for performance would be like if, you know, a punt returner tells everybody who is blocking for him, if i return this for a touchdown, you get me into the end zone, i'll give you $100 or take you out to eat. this is just incent vising. >> but we're talking about injuries. >> yes. you go out and break a guy's leg, and i'll buy you a steak. if that has happened in the past, three noplathere's no plar that in the game. we are being accused of that, the new orleans saints. other than just tough talk and hearsay and hypothetical, i haven't seen any proof. there really hasn't been any proof shown that that indeed was taking place. >> so do you think the penalties have been very harsh, if you haven't seen any evidence? >> if it's true, i think the penalties are appropriate. but have they really proven that it's true? i think that unfortunately, it seems like the nfl in their investigation had a predetermined conclusion that they wanted to arrive at. that this was indeed taking place. for whatever reason. as opposed to just taking the facts of the matter and evaluating it off of that. and i think that a lot of things, a lot of those things are starting to come to light now within the past couple of weeks. i know a week ago, you know, players had their appeals. i'm sure that that appeal ruling will come out soon from the commissioner. hopefully, you know, he'll see if it is the case that these guys were not involved. and we can move on to more positive things. because i know the country is tired of hearing about it. >> i'm tired of hearing about it. >> and i really just want the truth. >> drew brees, thanks for being here. nice to talk to you. >> you too. >> brees says the saints bounty scandal has been a distraction during his contract negotiations. he is still not signed. he says he is confident that he'll reach an agreement with the saints. or people will go crazy if they don't. you can tune in next week when we re-air dr. san ja gupta's "big hits broken dreams" on july 4 at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. still ahead this morning on "starting point," he is more than just a basketball legend. irving "magic" johnson is ready to duke it out on a new court. he is getting into a new tv game with a new network. also, texas prisoners are demanding air conditioning. is it cruel and inhumane to deny them ac? 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he was lovely. thanks, christine. appreciate it. our "tough call" this morning, should prisons in texas be air conditioned? 21 out of 111 prisons that are run by the texas department of criminal justice are fully air conditioned. so that leaves a whole bunch that are not. inmates say overheated conditions violate the eighth amendment, which prevents cruel and unusual punishment. several inmates died in prisons from heat related causes last summer. a lawsuit filed yesterday in one of those deaths, and in the garza east prison in south texas, they measured the indoor heat index. it was 126 degrees for 10 days, the lawsuit filed in that prison in 2008. a former inmate described it like being in death valley. so our tough call. should in fact you give air conditioning to prisoners? >> i think you -- the question at the heart of this tough issue is whether -- what is our obligation to our prisoners. what is the obligation that civil society has to prisoners to hopefully become rehabilitated? clearly we have an obligation to have safe and humane conditions but not luxurious conditions. if you're in a oven with 126 degree temperatures, not safe. does that mean you should air condition a good 80 -- >> what's the decision then? >> in texas, certain prisoners have gotten more showers in the day, fans. they have been able to buy fans. they have a program to allow prisoners who can't afford fans to get fans. they allow them to wear shorts. so are there other ways of creating humane conditions that don't incur the cost of air conditioning an entire system of prisons? >> yes. they should have air conditioning. period. >> why? >> well, i'll go to say jesus in matthew 25 when he talks about the importance of being good to prisoners. if you don't care about prisoner suffering, don't claim you want a government based on christian values. >> do you only care about prisoners with air conditioning? >> no. you don't have to give them pedicures and pink berry. but 126 degrees, that's crossing the line. >> it's unclear if fans can work on 126 degrees. i can see that working in the northeast because our temperatures aren't that high. but a texas summer, anybody who has spent any time -- >> a lot of people in texas who aren't in prison don't have air conditioning. and i don't know that that makes a claim -- i don't know that being in prison gives you a right to claim a higher right to air conditioning. >> they could drive to a mall. and they have cooling centers as well. there's a state senator who said that he is not sympathetic to the complaints about a lack of air conditioning partly because of the concerns of the cost but also he says this. these people are sex offenders, rapists, and murderers. we're not going to pay the-per r air conditioning. >> they are all murderers and rapists and sex offenders? >> that's his quote. that's what he says. >> the guy who says the colorful comment always gets the quote in the newspaper. the issue is, is there a way to humanely treat prisoners without incurring the cost of air conditioning an entire system. can you create cooling centers in prison? is there some intermediary step? >> redo submissions and global warming. >> you always throw that in at the end. still ahead on "starting point," a revealing new look at amy winehouse. nearly a year after her death, a new book has been written by her dad. we'll talk to him straight ahead. >> plus, we talk to the one and only magic johnson here to talk about his new venture. he is launching a television network. my play list will play us out. it's kanye west," amazing." a little bird told me about a band... ♪ an old man shared some fish stories... ♪ oooh, my turn. ♪ she was in paris, but we talked for hours... everyone else buzzed about the band. there's a wireless mind inside all of us. so, where to next? ♪ er is different so, where to next? but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company by continuing to help you do more and focus on the things that matter to you. and the chefs at lean cuisine are loving tangy lemon, peppery poblano, sweet butternut. we're roasting, and grilling to create must-have meals with no preservatives. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. welcome back to "starting point." we're talking to irving "magic" johnson, and also we're talking to amy winehouse's father. that's ahead this morning. first, to christine romans for a look at the day's top stories. one official says it's like a military invasion. new video into cnn overnight. homes up in flames in colorado springs. 32,000 people are now on the run, and the air force academy has moved residents out of housing areas. the fire has spread to 6,200 acres. it's only 5% contained. 65 mile per hour winds blew it right past one containment line. no stopping. secretary of state hillary clinton off on a three-nation tour of finland, latvia, and russia. and the crisis in syria will surely be on the agenda. clinton wants support for a political transition, something that russia, opposes. meanwhile, assad's regime blames terrorists for killing three people at a pro government tv network. stockton, california, expected to file bankruptcy at and moment, becoming the largest city in u.s. history to file chapter 9. the city is $700 million in debt. mediation with its creditors failed late last night. new this morning, queen elizabeth shakes the hand of former ira commander martin mcginnis. it's personal. the queen's cousin was killed in an ira attack. that handshake is the latest step to the road to peace. that handshake is history. the summer olympics now only a month away. earlier this morning, the olympic rings were lowed from the tower bridge in london to comemraid the 30-day countdown until the games begin. they are 82 feet haul, 62 feet wide. each ring the size of a double decker bus. it could be a hip-hop dream team on the field. sean diddy combs and snoop dogg's son could play football together at ucla. snoop dogg's son was offered a scholarship to the bruins. diddy's son committed to the bruins last year. we'll have to wait until 2015 to see if they take the field together. >> that's funny. christine, thank you. irving "magic" johnson isn't just a hall of fame basketball legend. he is also a successful businessman who has developed an empire of movie theaters, fitness centers, and has a stake in the los angeles dodgers. and now he's going to become a media mogul. he is launching a new television network today called aspire. and it highlights the positive achievements of the african-american community. the family friendly programming will feature movies, music, comedy. here is a look at one of the artists that will be showcased. ♪ >> i aspire to debunk the awful stereotype that classical music is stuffy and it's for an elite group of people. i think good music is good music. and i think that when exposed to it, and when it's played well, everybody will love it when they hear it. my name is jade simmons. i'm a concert pianist. but i aspire to take classical to the mainstream. >> magic johnson is the chairman and ceo of aspire. >> thank you for having me. i know we have been trying to hook this up for a little bit. >> finally it's happened. why would you want to run a tv network? >> i tell you, i've been tossing and turning on that same question, you know. [ laughter ] >> yeah. tell me about that. >> did oprah call you? >> exactly. and we don't have $400 million to spend either. but what happened was i took it slow. comcast, there were four up for grabs. two african-americans, two latino channels. and the only reason i did this, soledad, because i have a great partner in gmc. and without them coming as my partner, understanding how to build a network, how to also make sure we have the right content, make sure that now i don't have to build a back of the house because they have that, and so now to keep the numbers down in terms of me investing my money. and then i think that when we did our research, and our focus groups, they told us that the family programming, african-americans want more family programming. and when i saw that we really had an opportunity to win, that's when i jumped on the opportunity. because the creative community of african-american brothers, actors, writers, producers, directors, they are all so excited. >> it's a platform. >> yeah. a platform for them. so that made me excited. and we're going to be successful, you know. we don't have to spend the money that -- we have to spend some money, but not quite the $400 million. >> it's going to cost some money. >> that oprah was spending. >> it sounds like the opportunity was right. but it comes at an odd time. this business root night now is changing. oprah, not necessarily a model of success yet. did you consider content and how it's changing now with distribution, streaming and internet access, might affect the long-term future of this business? >> no question about it. >> no, he didn't think of it. all >> we thought about it. but one thing good about this opportunity is there's not enough channels or platforms for african-americans. and then when you think about there's bet, there's tv one, and then there's going to be us. and so we know that there's a way that we can go to those devices and make sure we market aspire and get it out to the people. but at the same time, because we don't have many outlets right now, a lot of us want our own channel. they want -- and then when you think about the 30 and over, they don't have anything that they can watch on tv that reflects them, that looks like them, that speaks to them. >> so are you concerned about being able to stay true to the kind of programming you want to have? if ratings are tough, we're not going to see "hell date" on aspire? >> no. i'm best in class, and they know i'm going to bring best in class to them. >> any athletics? any sports programming? >> well, we'll weave it in and out. i think that we'll definitely speak to entertainment, sports, comedy, music, faith-based on sunday. so you won't be seeing magic, though. it's not about me. >> i was going to ask you. because you had a talk show. you wouldn't want to be in front of the camera? >> don't bring that up, please. [ laughter ] >> no, no. i won't do that. because i think that i have a business show maybe and do some interviews. i love that. >> so you will be involved? >> yes, yes. but it won't be -- that will probably be all of 2%, 3%. >> will you be very hands-on in the programming? >> oh, yeah. >> so you're the guy to give my resume to? >> you can be on anytime. you know me. >> call me. we'll talk later. but can i ask you a basketball question? i want to ask you about anthony davis. we had him on the other day. and he is the same age that you were when you were drafted. >> yeah. >> i look at him and i was wondering, like what advice would you give him? how much has the game changed since you were doing it? >> well, really, the game hasn't changed all that much. >> the environment? >> the environment has changed. and i think what's changed is the players are younger coming in. but at the same time, the advice i would give anthony davis is just stay in the gym. work hard to improve. come with the same attitude. and then enjoy. enjoy yourself. because -- and then get good people around you. because what happens, now every person that was your uncle, every friend now wants to latch onto you and come along for the ride. so if i'm him, keep your parents involved. get you a good money manager. and accountant. and get you a good agent. >> because then one day he could be a tv mogul as well. we're looking forward to seeing you flip the switch on your new network. congratulations. >> it's going to be a lot of fun. and i'm so excited about it. but i look through every situation, trust me. i don't get into a business venture unless i check it frontwards, backwards, and then if we have sustainability and if we have growth. so if we don't have those things, i don't jump into it. so i've been checking this out. [ laughter ] >> thank you, magic. great to see you as always. >> oh, you too. anytime. >> call me. >> any show. i know i can't have you, but bring me some shows. >> well, my people will call you later. >> you got it. you got it. still ahead on "starting point," a revealing look at the life of singer amy winehouse. you know, it's been almost a year since her death. we'll talk to her dad who was so close to her. mitch winehouse will join us. he has a new book called "amy, my daughter." you're watching "starting point." back in just a moment. ♪ our dreams have magic recharge sleep systemyrest combines the comfort of aircool memory foam layered on top of beautyrest pocketed coils to promote proper sleeping posture all night long. the revolutionary recharge sleep system from beautyrest... it's you, fully charged. get a free set of sheets when you buy a select beautyrest mattress. hurry, offer ends soon. how math and science kind of makes the world work. in high school, i had a physics teacher by the name of mr. davies. he made physics more than theoretical, he made it real for me. we built a guitar, we did things with electronics and mother boards. that's where the interest in engineering came from. so now, as an engineer, i have a career that speaks to that passion. thank you, mr. davies. ♪ they tried to make me go to rehab ♪ ♪ i said no, no, no ♪ yes, i've been black ♪ but when i come back ♪ no, no, no ♪ i ain't got the time ♪ and if my daddy thinks i'm fine ♪ >> it's been almost a year since amy winehouse died at the age of 27 in her london apartment after weeks of staying sober and trying to get back on the right track. the talented performer died from accidental alcohol poisoning last july. her father, mitch winehouse, wrote a book about his daughter's life, her battle with drugs and alcohol and the roller coaster of her final years called "amy, my daughter." mitch winehouse is joining us. it's a great book. such a great read. and yet it's hard to read knowing how close you were. how painful was it to go through and tell these stories? you're incredibly, brutally, blunt and straightforward in this book. how hard was that? >> writing the book, believe it or not, wasn't that difficult. i was kind of in the zone. when i had to read the book back, that was just unbelievable. you know, it really -- i had a little bit of a breakdown actually. but as i say, writing it wasn't that difficult. >> in october of 2006, "back to black" was a hit. and within a year, it would be i think a six-time certified platinum album. and you wrote that you were both really proud and also horrified. i was blown away, beyond proud. but deep down i never wanted amy to write another album like it. the songs were amazing but she went through hell to write them. all the songs on "back to black," apart from "rehab," are about blake. it occurred to me recently that one of the biggest-selling uk albums of the 21st century so far is about the biggest low-life [ bleep ] that god ever put breath into. tell me about blake. that was her husband. and she loved him. she clearly -- >> that's true. and, you know, i regret writing that. although in his own words, he introduced amy to class a drugs. he said that she took to it like a duck to water. great thing to say about your wife. and he then said he ruined something beautiful. these are his words, not mine. you know, but i'm spending so much energy focusing on the negative, and we can't do that. you know, we need to move on. you know, we're doing some terrific work with the foundation. and, you know, i don't want to be thinking about him. >> she was a very fragile person. i think often performers are already fragile people. but she didn't even know how great she was. >> i wouldn't say she was fragile, soledad. >> no? >> i think she was a strong young lady that had a weakness. and it was just unfortunate circumstances. more than unfortunate. my mother passed away in may 2006. and blake reemerged at the same time. so you had this vulnerable young woman who was heartbroken over the death of my mother, and then blake reappears. and that is not a good recipe. >> one of the things you wrote about is the fact that amy had this one album, "back to black," so much about blake. and because she had to go back and sing those songs over and over that it took her over and over again back to blake. tell us about that. >> well, i talk a little bit about amy's stage fright. but on reflection, she said, dad, i can't sing these songs anymore. she had moved on. this is three or four years on from "back to black" and blake. and she was with reg, her new boyfriend, a great guy. i think you have met him. and they were talking about getting married and having kids. and to sing the song properly, i'm a singer, when i go onstage and sing a love song, i like to think about my beautiful wife. now she's having to go onstage and singing the song "back to black," talking about when blake's not there, she gets depressed. how are you going to sing a song like that? if that were written four years ago -- she hadn't seen him for three or four years. >> when your daughter died, one of the most unkind things people i heard say what a waste of talent, which i found completely wrong. i think not using your gift is a waste of talent. she accomplished more in two albums than many artists do their entire career. the other night on youtube i saw a clip of her singing with the rolling stones. and after hearing the album that just came out of the unreleased tracks, can we hope there will be more music coming out so people can remember her for her creativity than for her sad stuff? >> i would be very disappointed if there isn't a part two album. >> tell me about the foundation. she had a passion for a number of things that people don't know about. what's the foundation's work? >> in the uk we are helping lots of disadvantaged young people suffering from life threatening illnesses. a drug rehab. in the u.s., we are much more focused. through soledad, we met the new orleans jazz orchestra, and they have got two wonderful youth projects as you know, working with disadvantaged young people in new orleans. music education and music therapy. what they are doing is they have a weekend classes and summer school class. we want to somehow try and implement our supplement that by creating an after school music clubhouses down there in new orleans. amy didn't know she was going to die. there wasn't a detailed list of instructions that she left me. but the one thing she said to me was when katrina struck in 2005, what can we do, dad? this is terrible. so we feel that our first venture, and it's our only first venture in the usa, this is what we'll be doing down there in new orleans with the new orleans jazz orchestra. >> that's amazing work, and i'm sure she'd be incredibly proud to see that today. mitch winehouse, nice to have you. this book is a page turner. it's really riveting and so brutally honest. anyone who wants more information go to cnn.com/impact. there's a link right there. still ahead this morning on "starting point," mysterious posters are popping up all around the country declaring that certain people deserve to die. we'll tell you what it's about ahead on "starting point." when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and they have six grams of sugars. with fifteen grams of protein to help manage hunger... look who's getting smart about her weight. 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