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MSNBC Paper Glue July 7, 2024



and i really don't know where it will take me. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> waking up every day in a different country, creating projects, never really looking back, just being in the action, action, action, action. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> maybe that is why i have always been documenting it to keep a trace of it. ♪ ♪ ♪ the excuse of the art is the greatest pass ever. i could be kind of shy and can be afraid to talk to people, but when i do a project, i have to explain, i have come here by myself, with my own money, to try to do this project here with you, in your community, if it makes sense to you. then, of course, some people ask, what will this achieve? i always say, i don't know, let's see. it's almost like we do a pack of the unknown, we will do this, but i have no idea where it will take us. ♪ ♪ ♪ [noise] >> thank you. >> can you show your i. d.. >> [noise] >> here i am, a super max prison, with an inmate that has been incarcerated with teenagers, mainly because of the free strike. this is for maximum security, and so a lot of the most violent, damn, well, someone got stabbed. >> that was one? >> that was two days ago. >> hello, hello. hey, how are you, i am jr. hey, how are you? i come from france. i try to remember every name, guys, but give me a minute. how are you? well, thank you for having me. what we are about to do here is to take photos of you guys and also photos of people that have made it out, and also families that have forgiven or people with families that are connected here to try to connect all the dots to show how everyone is interlinked together. we are not here to judge anything. we are here to listen to the story and to portray you the way you want to be portrayed. my feeling, just from being from the outside, that is why i need to hear from you, is that this is how i feel here, between walls, almost like everyone is trapped within the same wall. i want to make that as a visual so that when people see it, they understand it. i would love to hear from you, what you think, if you have any questions for me, or how can i help make things clearer? and a question, basically, i am open. >> why is it that you are trying to accomplish with this, that is my question? >> the thing is, i don't even know that someone can be locked up for life from a kid. in my country, i never heard that. maybe in the u.s., people know, that people tend to forget but not seeing each other, you tend to forget, everybody does their own thing, and then you get forgotten. but when you see it, put a face and stored someone, then you are like, wow, i cannot forget it anymore. look, i don't make big promises. i'm not a politician. i am most very careful with my words, by will give an example. it is interesting when you walk on walls, people are always coming to me, oh, we should do this more. when there is a war, i keep hearing, okay, let's take the camera, we my friend stroke there. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> how you guys doing? >> good, are you? we're just checking out the wall. >> you're checking on the wall? >> we want to see it. >> well? [laughs] >> the fence, the fence, sorry. >> yeah, that's been there a long time. >> were you guys from? >> we are french. he is american, we are french. >> you mean pull up? >> yeah. >> hi, how's it going? >> good, are you? >> we guys headed? >> we are just gonna take pictures of the wall. >> he was? >> oh, the fence. >> okay, there. >> thanks. >> i want to find a place where i could do installation that could play with the wall but not touch the wall. i found a place where we can drive in front of the wall but on the u.s. side, border patrol everywhere, helicopters flying, okay, this is not look like an easy place. a look from the other side, and i see some houses close by the wall, actually not that far. so i go past the wall, and then i go to the closest house from the wall because i am like, maybe i can do something with the house. there was this woman, a little baby, if you chickens in a dog, they were like, oh, i follow you on social media. i was like, that's insane, the first door i bang, that's really weird. you know me, i do this kind of stuff, so she takes me to that spot that is closest from this offense. but it is treason stuff, okay, i see it is a bit complicated to do it there. so look, thank you, let me continue driving alongside the wall. i kept on going all the way to the ocean it. i am like, sit, that kid, he doesn't know what a fences, he does not know that there are two countries, two sides, it is not know the wall means. i go back in the late it was photographed him standing there. looking around. and then i left. we look around down a little hill that goes up to the wall, there is nothing, just grass and garbage here and there. i am like, okay, whose land is this? so i ask every neighbor, excuse me sir, you know who's land is that? i don't, i don't want to have anything to do with it. okay, not only need to hear. i go to the next neighbor, you know who's land this is? some people are not even open the door. so what do you do? my only option was, let's try a bulldozer. anyone can, they deliver to any address. i started taking ground. i said all right, which are the risks for me as a french person digging the ground next to the mexican border? i'm not digging a hole, just flattening it. mexicans come first, they say, hey man, you can't do that, are you crazy? i say, i am so sorry. then we spent one day, two days, three days, for like 15 days, no one says anything. we level the ground. i could not believe it. i was like, what the --, who is in charge here? then i go to a placed by scaffolding. if you pay, we will build it, we don't ask questions. >> [speaking spanish] >> [speaking spanish] [laughs] >> [speaking spanish] >> it is bigger than the wall, it is three times the size of the wall. we see the border patrol stop us. i come with my team and we paint that little kid. there, i was like, maybe that will be where i lose everything because border patrol will start saying, there is something big being built by the wall, we should check it out. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> [speaking spanish] >> and one day, we crittenden tire structure. i was like, okay, let's get out of here. i passed back on the other side, there was to border patrol looking at the case. i just put on the internet, i said, hey, whoever wants to go see that kate, here's the location. that is all i said. one of the great things art does there is if you build a giant kid somewhere, they will say, that is fancy, i will see it, let's take a selfie in front of it. that is where my idea stopped i hope people will go and take photos and they see the wall. it's the same land, just on the different side. what happened is something i have not planned. people exchange their phones through the wall to take photos of each other, connecting, talking, saying, hey, how are you? 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yeah, from germany. wow, amazing. >> can't go to the other side. >> as soon as people come take photos, if you could stay a little bit longer. after an hour, an hour and a half, maybe 2030 people and we passed them -- and they would only have a couple of minutes, let's go fast. >> from the mexican side, it continues to the u.s. side. one music band taking two sides. ♪ ♪ ♪ now, i'm thinking, we're gonna get it in five minutes. let's pretend we're eating. let's take a photo. >> everybody, gather around, we're gonna take a photo. [speaking foreign language] you? ready single, what throw, chris -- [speaking foreign language] >> we thought this would last two minutes. that we will put the top and take a photo, and that's it, we have to take everything off in five minutes. 15, 20, 30, one hour, we're still leading. it was nice with the music. for a moment, we forgot there was a war. this is the eye of a woman who's a dreamer. a dreamer is somebody who came to the in the states, when she was very little, with their parents but illegally. her name is mayra. i told her not to come, because there's a big chance we will get arrested. not only she came, she came with her mother. >> we have very few months left, being able to be this brave and come to the border. >> it's only an hour and a half later that a border patrol came. everybody got scared. i told them, send him over to me. i was on the safe side, i was in mexico anyway. i was not even trying to justify myself. i said, look, he said, i know. turns out they were watching us the whole time, but i decided to let it happen. thank you. can you share tea with me? >> thank you. >> chinese tea at the mexican border. [laughs] he went and talked with mayra. when she came that morning, never thought should be talking with an officer. he told her that he also has family on the other side. they were talking. that made me realize, that art can go places. beyond borders. maybe because art is not part of any organization, it's not part of the state. it's something that we own, we the people own. that's why i go so far. that little kid says, hey, i'm here! i exist! i'm not terrorist. >> a future, a better future. that's what it means for me. [speaking foreign language] >> look down, in front of you. perfect. i like when you hold it there. nice. >> you certainly as a kid don't think you're gonna do this, life in prison, doing the things that you've done. you know, there's a lot of fences and walls in here to keep us in, but it does more than that. it destroys who we are, it destroys families. >> you were graffiti artist before, and i started in the lifestyle. the only difference is that my transition went a different way after. >> 14 years, you had no human contact? >> no, just when the cuff you up and they take you out. that's it. >> human cages. here, the bird gets free. >> we hope that this image, we get around the world. people will see. and then they will be like, who's that person? and when you take the image and put your hand on any person, you're gonna hear the story right away. it will be an app for this or something. you click, and then you hear the stories of the people. >> my name is kevin, i was a gang member. i put my whole life in focus into what i was doing at the moment. really, i was just trying to people please. i knew that this wasn't what i wanted, but i was scared. i'm not the person that you see. >> i was trying to explain the meaning. it's a prison thing. it's not how i perceive other people, you know? it made me feel really ashamed. >> yeah, like that. >> i'm not just a monster that society sees me as. i'm a person, i'm a man. i'm a human. >> hello, outside world. my name is richard. my >> name is nicholas. >> my name is chris. >> my name is alex. here at city of refuge, we house up to 26 families. we reduce homelessness, address mental health, provide spaces for addiction to be broken, create spaces of healing and restoration. for the first time ever, prop 27 will provide permanent funding for organizations like ours. saying yes to prop 27 means more people get the assistance that they nee they get someone to partner in such a way to see transformation come to them. yes on prop 27, because there's no place like home. to see transformation come to them. i was injured in a car crash. yes on prop 27, because there's no place like home. i had no idea how much my case was worth. i called the barnes firm. the biggest things -- when a truck hit my son, i had so many questions about his case. i called the barnes firm. it was the best call i could've made. your case is often worth more than insuran call the barnes firm to find out i could've made. what your case could be worth. we will help get you the best result possible. ♪ the barnes firm, injury attorneys ♪ call one eight hundred,est resul eight million ♪ in front of us. when i see a guy with a swastika on his face, of course it's instant fear. but when kevin, the guy with the swastika, walked up for the photography, i was like, wow. if i don't ask him now, when would i have the opportunity to ask him? hey man, can i ask you a question? of course i have fear, i also have boundaries. my work every day pushes me to find them. >> come around this side. go, go, go. >> i need some blue here! >> that's where the wind gets it. you see the first eye and hear? look at that! that's yours! yes, first one up. ♪ ♪ ♪ [noise] >> are you in there? lets you too? oh my god! ♪ ♪ ♪ [noise] >> every line! >>! >>. . >> people think it's done on a computer. >> out of everything, i never thought i'd see this. ♪ ♪ ♪ [noise] >> the guys who clean the yard yesterday, they said they clean the blood and tear gas. it's hard to imagine is violence on the job every day. how many guys are still being stabbed here? >> 11 years worth. i was raised here. i never imagined that one day, you get out, and this is on the you never believe. the more we think like that, the more were able to obtain that dream. people want to be this great. from way up there, you know i mean? we can see it. we want to be that big from way up there. and it doesn't take much. just a little hope, a little effort. >> and some paper. [laughs] >> that's cool. pizza time! so, i'm back in here. oh my god, look at the shadows. let's go this way. with kevin. >> has it going? >> good, you? >> i put the porch of that took a view on social media, and people were like, i think people were touched by your photo because of the depth in your eyes and what you share. conflicted because of your tattoo on your cheek. >> i understand that the symbols eyewear represent hate to many people, so people automatically have a conflict with that. when we come in here, we are forced to fight for our lives against other races. it causes a lot of hurt in other people's hearts. i know, if i could right now, i would remove it. you know i mean? >> if i find somebody to help remove it -- >> let's do it. >> so if anyone's out there were, looking for somebody who could help to remove this. >> please! >> this is something in my 25 years of being here, i never thought i'd see. a collective group of individuals coming together for one purpose. you've got mexicans working with blacks, whites. they're interacting. it's rare in the prison system, but for us to break that mold, it's big. it just shows everybody is willing to put the hate and negativity behind us and work together. a common goal, you know i mean? >> oh, it's like a little plane! >> this is the first time that we've ever seen a drone live like this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> you see? >> yeah! [noise] >> congrats, everybody! [applause] [noise] >> yo, yo, yo, when you doing? >> i'm trying to keep my eye! [laughs] >> i want to leave it there. i wanted it to stay. as i'm turning it, it felt good. it was freeing. the process is what matters. i think that's what art is. it's a process. it wasn't just drawing a picture, or singing the song. it's a process of us being together, doing something. it was beautiful. that's all i learn from you are. >> the process is what matters. it took me years to realize that. they're just realizing it in a heartbeat. it stayed with me because that reassured me. i was skipping the right whole part of that journey. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪ ♪young people.♪ ♪good times.♪ ♪insurance!♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ ♪♪ does it get better than never getting lost? ♪♪ does it get better than not parallel parking yourself? ♪♪ alexa ask smartfeed to feed the dog. does it get better than feeding your dog from 50 miles away? yes... it does. at buick we see a future that's even better. because the life enhancing innovations you've never even dreamed of? buick is dreaming of them every day. what's up everyone? we're here in paris, the top of lab bestie. boom! people always think graffiti just darted, but look at this. those are old graffiti, from 1980, 1846, 1923. there's tons of people who want to exist and express, and be seen and be remembered. i relate to that. >> growing up in the projects, outside of paris, i was only doing graffiti when i can. rooftops. it's not that i had to escape by the window. my parents were sleeping on the couch in the neighboring room. as a child of immigrants, i come from a family that never had a voice. i feel like i'm living -- no one else would care. one day, i was at a train station in paris, waiting for my friend and he was late. at some point, i see a bag that was there. after two, three trains, the bag was still there. so i opened it and i see a camera. i took it. i have that idea of documenting the adventures. i was documenting everything. i was documenting climbing the roofs, i was documenting those night experiences. i loved it. i would just make photocopies of them and give it to people. then i was like, i have the photocopies and hand, i could just place one on the wall. my thought is really small, so you did not really notice them. i started framing those photos. i started noticing that people in suits and ties would stop and look at them. if people don't like, it they can pay on, it scratches, take it down. but if what you do creates reactions, even if you will hate it, i'm happy because it -- [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] ♪ ♪ ♪ [speaking foreign language] >> when i started, many times, we got arrested. one day, i went to the closest door and i put a hat with glasses, and thought, i'll take them off, nobody would recognize me. at that time, i thought the whole world was paris. and then i met ashley, and he took me to a place i have never seen before. -- collective of artists that was already making art, graffiti. i was painting and filming. we had that similar vibe and we jailed right away. one day,

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