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responsibility, and it we can expect to hear a great deal more from her. i think she's also got to be quite tactical about this, because no doubt she has been positioning herself as a potential leader of the conservative party, and certainly as a leader of the right. she is not the only person in the conservative party that will run on that ticket should they lose the next election, and she will have a very strong competition from someone like kemi badenoch, for instance, who has been demonstrably more loyal whilst in government. i think suella has to pick herfights and government. i think suella has to pick her fights and be quite tactical about them. just in terms of democratic accountability, somebody in the house of commons needs to be talking about these issues, and quite frankly, reshuffles, because a great deal of excitement people in the westminster bubble, but they are pretty insignificant once you get outside s w one, as they should be, because people have real lives to be getting on with, and this is all something of a pantomime.— of a pantomime. joanne nadler s-ueakin of a pantomime. joanne nadler speaking to _ of a pantomime. joanne nadler speaking to me _ of a pantomime. joanne nadler speaking to me earlier. - of a pantomime. joanne nadler speaking to me earlier. let's i speaking to me earlier. let's go through some of the main changes in today's reshuffle. as we've been saying, the day began with the sacking of suella braverman, who left herjob as home secretary this morning after the prime minister sacked her. then we now have james cleverly replacing her at the home office. that opening up a vacant office the —— vacancy at the foreign office, which as we have been reporting all day, has been given to david cameron, the former british prime minister. steve barclay has left his job as health secretary, replacing therese coffey as environment secretary. victoria atkins is no help sell surety, taking up the role that steve barclay held. —— is now health secretary. laura trott replacesjohn glenn as chief secretary to the treasury, and richard holden is now taking over from greg treasury, and richard holden is now taking overfrom greg hands as chair of the conservatives. there is plenty on the live page, from which you may be watching this. the blockbuster news was the return of former prime minister david cameron to front line politics. our deputy political editor takes a look back at mr cameron's political career. as party leader, david cameron wanted to be seen as a modern, centrist, compassionate conservative, highlighting green issues, welcoming liberal democratic government and legalising gay marriage. all a far cry from the so—called culture wars of recent yea rs. good afternoon, everyone, and welcome. while out of office, the now lord cameron has been critical of some of rishi sunak�*s decisions, including scrapping part of the hs2 line. but there have been shifts in foreign policy, too. while he wooed the chinese president over a pint and a english pub, today, many tory mps see beijing as a huge threat. his intervention in libya in 2011 faced damning criticism. the foreign affairs select committee said it had been done with no proper intelligence analysis and the failures led to the country becoming a failed state. even more difficult will be questions about david cameron's career since leaving downing street. a committee of mps accused him of a significant lack ofjudgment over his lobbying of ministers on behalf of the finance group, greensill capital. it has been the biggest honour of my life to serve our country as prime minister. his legacy as prime minister is brexit, some voters will never forgive him for that, all the programme of austerity he oversaw. it's very rare for a former prime minister to to the cabinet. it means an experienced voice in the top team at a time of international turmoil, but it gives opposition parties and some tories plenty to complain about. of course, david cameron left parliament after their brexit referendum, which meant he was no longer an mp. to get back into political life, he has notjust been made foreign secretary, but also made foreign secretary, but also made a member of the house of lords, in some way, i supposed to give them some kind of accountability in the role. there have been some questions about the fact that when there are many mps serving in the house of commons, rishi sunak had to look outside to find a foreign secretary. let's have a listen to sir lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house of commons, who is speaking earlier today. i commons, who is speaking earlier toda . ., ., commons, who is speaking earlier toda. ., ., ,. ,, today. i do not usually discuss uruent today. i do not usually discuss urgent questions, _ today. i do not usually discuss urgent questions, but - today. i do not usually discuss urgent questions, but today i l urgent questions, but today i received _ urgent questions, but today i received one, and rather than discuss — received one, and rather than discuss the matter in the chair, i thought— discuss the matter in the chair, i thought it — discuss the matter in the chair, i thought it would be better to set up my thoughts on the particular issue. the house _ my thoughts on the particular issue. the house will be aware that the prime _ the house will be aware that the prime minister has appointed the right _ prime minister has appointed the right honourable david cameron as secretary— right honourable david cameron as secretary of state for foreign development. this is not the first time _ development. this is not the first time a _ development. this is not the first time a cabinet minister has been appointed — time a cabinet minister has been appointed in the house of lords, but given— appointed in the house of lords, but given the _ appointed in the house of lords, but given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this house is able _ especially important that this house is abte to— especially important that this house is able to scrutinise the work of the foreign and commonwealth development office effectively. i've therefore _ development office effectively. i've therefore commissioned advice from therefore commissioned advice from the clerks _ therefore commissioned advice from the clerks about possible options for enhancing security of the work of the _ for enhancing security of the work of the foreign secretary when that post is— of the foreign secretary when that post is filled by a member of the other— post is filled by a member of the other house. i also look forward to hearing _ other house. i also look forward to hearing the — other house. i also look forward to hearing the government's proposals on how— hearing the government's proposals on how the — hearing the government's proposals on how the foreign secretary will be properly— on how the foreign secretary will be properly accountable to this house. i do not _ properly accountable to this house. i do not propose to respond to points— i do not propose to respond to points of— i do not propose to respond to points of order in the subject today until the _ points of order in the subject today until the advice i have referred to has been — until the advice i have referred to has been received, until i have heard — has been received, until i have heard the _ has been received, until i have heard the government's loan proposals. i can assure the house that i'm _ proposals. i can assure the house that i'm fully aware of the need for the honourable and right honourable members _ the honourable and right honourable members to be able to hold the government to account in this area, especially— government to account in this area, especially at the current time, and i shall— especially at the current time, and i shall do — especially at the current time, and i shall do everything i can to ensure — i shall do everything i can to ensure that we are able to do so. sir lindsay— ensure that we are able to do so. sir lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house there. to discuss what he was saying forever, and joined still by our political correspondent. lindsay hoyle saying he is going to have a look at how david cameron, as foreign secretary, can be effectively scrutinised, given that he won't be in the house of commons, he won't be in the house of commons, he will be in the house of lords. what conversations are hearing about this in westminster today? that certainly has — this in westminster today? that certainly has been _ this in westminster today? that certainly has been a _ this in westminster today? trust certainly has been a concern. particularly opposition mps are wondering how they can hold the foreign secretary eight to account if he is not going to be one of them, but his father is a precedent for this, we know lord carrington was foreign secretary in the past, it isn't very common, and there are many opportunities for a foreign secretary to be questioned in house of commons, whether it be at foreign office questions, where the foreign secretary is questioned by mps, office questions, where the foreign secretary is questioned by mp5, or when they give statements in the house of commons and mps are able to question them. lindsay hoyle seems to be looking for some kind of solution so that he can still be held to account, particularly at a time when there are two major international conference going on, both in the middle east and ukraine. it is interesting, another opportunity to hold foreign secretaries to account has just been postponed, the foreign affairs committee, which is usually an opportunity for cross—party mps to question the foreign secretary or other representatives. tomorrow, they are meant to grill the foreign secretary and the permanent secretary at the foreign office. that has been postponed as a symptom of the confusion around this at the moment, and he will be picked up when and where. ads, moment, and he will be picked up when and where.— moment, and he will be picked up when and where. a boring procedural ruestion, when and where. a boring procedural question. but — when and where. a boring procedural question. but an _ when and where. a boring procedural question, but an important _ when and where. a boring procedural question, but an important one. - when and where. a boring procedural question, but an important one. the | question, but an important one. the foreign affairs committee want to question the foreign secretary. he could still appear, even though he has a large?— has a large? technically he could still appear _ has a large? technically he could still appear in — has a large? technically he could still appear in front _ has a large? technically he could still appear in front of _ has a large? technically he could still appear in front of things - has a large? technically he could still appear in front of things like | still appear in front of things like the foreign affairs committee, even if he was aboard. he would not be giving statements, for example, in the house of commons, ordering foreign office questions in the house of commons, when he answers mp's questions. it looks like tomorrow's committee has been postponed, presumably because of the change suppose that we have seen today. it was meant to be the case that james cleverly, today. it was meant to be the case thatjames cleverly, in his former role as foreign secretary, was meant to be grilled by the same piece tomorrow. he is home secretary, so that will be happening, but i think they will reschedule that for a later date once everyone has had time to settle into their newjobs. a crucial point of how unusual this is, it is normally a prime minister's questions that you will see the prime minister on the front bench and a lot will be about foreign operations, you have the israel — hamas conflict, there is war in ukraine, so that is a question, as well. would david cameron be called into prime minister's questions if there was discussion about foreign affairs? he wouldn't, would he? that discussion about foreign affairs? he wouldn't, would he?— wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an _ wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an mp _ wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an mp and _ wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an mp and moat - wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an mp and moat sit - wouldn't, would he? that is right. he is not an mp and moat sit in i wouldn't, would he? that is right. l he is not an mp and moat sit in the house of commons. he is able to be questioned by fellow peers in the house of lords, but he will be much less visible in that sense to members of the public, probably, in parliament, than most foreign secretaries would be. he still will be interviewed on the same way that foreign secretaries are. i'm sure he will be appearing in the media at some stage as well to answer questions in his new role, but he won't be seen on those frontbenchers as much, sitting next to the prime ministers and other great offices of state. that, some may argue, will mean he is able to focus on his ministerial role more than some mps may do, who hold ministerial breaks but alsojuggle their may do, who hold ministerial breaks but also juggle their constituency issues, particularly in run—up to the general election, where there is an expectation on ministers and mps to campaign heavily in their seats. that won't be selling david cameron will have to do as a lord, so that could be something that some of those in favour of his appointments will argue. those in favour of his appointments willargue. for those in favour of his appointments will ara ue. ., ., ., ,, will argue. for the moment, thank ou ve will argue. for the moment, thank you very much- — will argue. for the moment, thank you very much. do _ will argue. for the moment, thank you very much. do stay _ will argue. for the moment, thank you very much. do stay with - will argue. for the moment, thank you very much. do stay with us, i you very much. do stay with us, don't go away. we have lots to discuss, and i'm joined now by charlie rowley, who is a former special adviser to michael gove, the conservative mp who has held a number of prominent roles. thank you forjoining us here on the bbc. what do you make of today's events? there is a lot to get through. let's start with the return of david cameron. good afternoon. i thought it was a brilliant appointment, good afternoon. i thought it was a brilliantappointment, bringing good afternoon. i thought it was a brilliant appointment, bringing back david cameron, someone who will have to take very difficult decisions and did so when he was prime minister is, and he is someone who has had to communicate to the country, at a time when you are taking difficult decisions, because of the economy and everybody recognises those decisions that had to be taken, he was able to communicate that effectively and win a general election. getting in background the cabinet table to help with the government communications were generally, as well as being foreign secretary, is somebody who has dealt with foreign leaders as prime minister, is a brilliant appointment. i5 minister, is a brilliant appointment.- minister, is a brilliant appointment. minister, is a brilliant a- ointment. , , ., ., , appointment. is this an appointment that will unite _ appointment. is this an appointment that will unite or _ appointment. is this an appointment that will unite or divide _ appointment. is this an appointment that will unite or divide the - appointment. is this an appointment that will unite or divide the party? i that will unite or divide the party? comic i think will unite the party. i think people think very fondly of david cameron's premiership. i certainly do. it was a very one nation conservative vision for the country, articulating views during difficult economic times. there was something for difficult economic times. there was somethin: ., , , difficult economic times. there was somethina ., , , ., something for everybody under a david cameron _ something for everybody under a david cameron administration, i something for everybody under a | david cameron administration, so getting round the cabinet table to be part of the conversation and the wider government communications and making sure that people can understand some of the difficult decisions that have had to be taken under this government, and the decisions that will be taking going forward, he is a first class performer, a first—rate politician, and many more people in the conservative party are happier to see him there at than those who are not. ~ . , ., see him there at than those who are not. . ., i. ., ,, ., see him there at than those who are not. . ., y., ., ~' ., see him there at than those who are not. . ., i. ., ,, ., ., not. want you make of the fact that to return to — not. want you make of the fact that to return to front _ not. want you make of the fact that to return to front line _ not. want you make of the fact that to return to front line politics - not. want you make of the fact that to return to front line politics he - to return to front line politics he has been conferred as a lord? we have a commentator on earlier saying there will be a lot of members of parliament who will be disappointed that they have been overlooked for someone who has already had his turn, anyway? i’m someone who has already had his turn. anyway?— turn, anyway? i'm sure there will alwa s turn, anyway? i'm sure there will always be — turn, anyway? i'm sure there will always be peeple _ turn, anyway? i'm sure there will always be people who _ turn, anyway? i'm sure there will always be people who feel - turn, anyway? i'm sure there will always be people who feel they l turn, anyway? i'm sure there will. always be people who feel they have been overlooked when it comes to reshuffles, i am sorry to say, but i think you can't doubt david cameron's experience as a former prime minister. the communications ability that he has and the interactions he will have had with foreign governments during his time as prime minister makes him, as i say, more than qualified for this role, and at a time when the country is gearing up day by day, month by month, towards a general election, you need your best players on the pitch. i think he probably left earlier than the political scene then he might have wanted to, so it is good to have him back. and then he might have wanted to, so it is good to have him back.— is good to have him back. and he left because _ is good to have him back. and he left because he _ is good to have him back. and he left because he supported - is good to have him back. and he left because he supported the . is good to have him back. and he - left because he supported the remain campaign in the brexit referendum. now you have a cabinet full of many brexiteers. all that because any issues? i brexiteers. all that because any issues? ., �* ~' brexiteers. all that because any issues? ., �* ,, ~ ., issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet. you — issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, you need _ issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, you need a _ issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, you need a wide _ issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, you need a wide range - issues? i don't think so. around the cabinet, you need a wide range of l cabinet, you need a wide range of views. that was properly the reason liz truss did not last as long as she did, because it was too much of our charm and democracy, and she didn't get the balance of other colleagues. —— too much of a chumocracy. there are many good communicators during the brexit referendum, and the slightly lost out, but havi

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