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family ought to exist. >> thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. major developments in israel's fight with hamas as international pressure grows to curb civilian casualties. i'm john king in for anderson. we'll have the latest on the ground in just a moment. first, breaking news here in the states. a federal appeals courtsiding with the former president on that limited gag order issued against him in the special counsel's election interference case. let's get straight to our chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. exactly what did this appeals court do? >> reporter: they put this gag order on hold, then in a little over two weeks, a three-judge panel will hear arguments about whether this gag order is constitutional. judge tanya chut kin, the federal judge overseeing the election subversion case in washington, imposed a broader set of restrictions on former president trump at the request of prosecutors. those restrictions bar him from targeting witnesses in the case, members of the court staff, and the special counsel's office. but trump's lawyers have argued that this was unconstitutional, that as a candidate for office there is a very high bar for restricting his speech. judge juddkin said, you yield to the ordinary justice, i have a trial to oversee, i can't have him attacking people who are just trying to do their jobs or comply with their civic duty. in a few weeks this will go before this panel, two judged appointed by former president barack obama and one appointed by president joe biden. >> you say that panel in a few weeks. what are the practical implications that between now and then for the former president? >> reporter: john, this is a test. this is a test of the judicial system. he is not bound by these restrictions, but if he starts to violate them, he's really going to help make the government's case for them. and that's exactly what's already happened here. judge jutkin already put a pause on her own gag order and he made a series of statements attacking, among others, key witnesses in the case. so it was reinstated. so he has a choice here whether he wants to resume these attacks and help the state make its case. but this larger question, john, of the extent to which you can restrict the speech of someone who is running for the white house, who is also a defendant across multiple jurisdictions. this is never contemplated by the courts before, so this is something that could potentially make its way all the way to the supreme court. whether they want to get involved in this, that's an open question. >> we'll find out soon enough, paula reid, thank you. we'll have much more on the legal issues facing the former president and his family, specifically their testimony in a new york civil fraud case that threatens their business empire. that's just ahead. now the israeli/haups war. we want to warn you, this is a bloody, graphic scene outside the largest hospital in gaza today after an israeli air strike on a nearby ambulance . the israeli military confirms it struck the ambulance near the al shifa hospital. doctors tell cnn that hospital overcrowded because, they say, civilians view the hospitals as relatively safe. the idf claims the ambulance was, quote, being used by hamas, unquote, and that a number of hamas operatives were killed in that strike. officials at the hamas-run health ministry say 15 were killed and dozens wounded in the ambulance attack. cnn cannot confirm either of those claims. the health ministry also says the ambulance was part of a medical convoy headed toward gaza's southern border. the international committee of the red cross said says it was made aware of the convoy but was not a part of it. the strike comes days after two separate strikes on the largest refugee camp in gaza. late word israel could soon be changing tactics in the coming days. a senior biden administration official telling cnn they expect israel's air campaign to, quote, decrease in what we've seen. the officials say there will be, quote, more of a tactical focus on the ground campaign. it will be aimed, those officialses say, clearing out tunnels under gaza that hamas operates. the ambulance attack coming the same day the united states secretary of state, antony blinken, visited the region. here he is with the israeli president herzog. blinken spent time with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and israel's war cabinet before he headed to jordan, stressing the need to protect palestinian civilians. however, netanyahu said today he opposes any cease-fire, even a temporary one, unless hamas frees all hostages that it holds. violence also today in israel. a cnn camera crew was near the border with gaza and recorded one of at least two rocket attacks on the israeli city. that strike hitting the courtyard of a kindergarten. shrapnel hit windows and several nearby cars. no injuries reported, no casualties. nic robertson has been seeing rockets toward central israel and intercepted this evening. he joins us with the latest. nic, you were inner sderot whe those rockets landed? >> reporter: they landed the right at 6:00 p.m. we think probably mortars, not rockets. they seemed to be targeting journalists on the hill where our cnn team was located, a collection of journalists there. hamas has tried to target them before. the type of weapon they're using is hard to detect. sirens went off in the town. however, it's not unusual to see hamas fire rockets or mortars at the top of the hour because they know a lot of journalists are broadcasting. they believe if they can hit them, that will get on international news and that's the sort of image they would like to do, to have a strike that scores big hits for them and civilian casualties. that appears to have been what they were aiming for tonight. it didn't work out, luckily. no one was hurt there, john. >> nic, what more do you know about that air strike near the al sheba hospital in gaza? >> reporter: as you said, the international committee for the red cross said they were aware that a humanitarian convoy of ambulances was being organized from the hospital. that's where the hospital officials say was happening. they were due to head to the south of gaza where israeli officials have said there's a humanitarian zone set up for them to go to. of course, many palestinians in gaza don't really feel that it's safe to travel the roads right now because there is such a strong presence of ground troops, idf ground troops in the area. but what this was, the idf say, was specifically targeting hamas operatives who were hiding inside ambulances, an ambulance, with weapons. they say their strike was successful. the total number now of civilian casualties is over 9,000, according to the hamas-led ministry of health in gaza. and more than 52 22,000 civilia injured. perhaps not the sort of strike that the israeli defense forces would have liked to have happened when secretary blinken was delivering a message to the country and the understanding of the white house now that the idf will try to use less air strikes and more ground operations. troops on the ground call in air strikes when they locate hamas targets. it will be significant and perhaps dangerous for troops on the ground changing tactics, minimizing air strikes. it's significant we're still hearing gun battles and fights behind us at the northern end of gaza, knowing the idf has been in there for a week, yet is still fighting battles on the ground with tanks and machine guns. it hasn't taken control of that area yet. it signifies how big a job they have yet to do in the rest of the gaza strip. >> nic, secretary blinken in the region, white house officials say they expect some change in israeli strategy. what. >> what you're seeing right now, anything of note yielded from this trip? >> reporter: more public pressure on the israeli government to change. look, you know, i think just a few days ago, we heard from prime minister netanyahu saying, absolutely no cease-fire whatsoever, no cease-fire, we're going to continue the mission to the end. now he's saying, no cease-fire without the release of all the hostages. is that movement? we know that's been the trade that's being worked in the background. all the hostages, that's a huge expectation for hamas to hand over idf soldiers as well as u.s. nationals, civilians they're holding. but that seems to be where we're at. is there some ground to be covered here? the trade's on the table. the humanitarian aid is coming in a bit better. the idf says no fuel will go into gaza. the hospitals are stuttering to a halt without that fuel. we're reaching that kind of impasse where everyone knows what the other side wants. is there a deal to be done? and i think that's an open question. have we seen significant change here? maybe the battle slowed down, but we've heard heavy shelling, heavy impacts in gaza city, gunfights and shelling and missiles behind us here in the north of gaza, this evening as well. it doesn't feel to me that much has changed on the ground yet. of course, it could. i think the window, though, on that pertinent secretary blinken message today, the window for israel to continue operations as they are, that is definitely closing. >> nic robertson on the ground for us, appreciate it very much. perspective on air strikes by israel in areas with very heavy civilian populations. i'm joined by michael oren, israel's former ambassador to the united states. ambassador oren, thanks for your time. as we see strikes on the refugee camp, the ambulance strike today, do you think israel is going to have to visit adjust its strategy when it comes to civilian casualties? >> i don't think so. i don't think israel can. keep in mind we're dealing with an enemy who is using its own population as human shields. that's what hamas does. it's preventing palestinian civilians from fleeing to the relative safety of the south. it is particularly concentrating them around their headquarters, which are located under hospitals and under schools. so in order to get at those headquarters, israel will have no choice but to destroy those buildings and hope the palestinian civilians will get out. we're still sending tens of thousands of leaflets, text messages by the hundreds of thousands, sending these nonlethal projectiles to buildings, it's called knock-knock, lets the people in the building know it's about to be hit, and hope the palestinians will get out. hamas doesn't always let them get out. i do not think israel can or will stop, because we have to destroy hamas or we ourselves will die. >> a point taken, but you hear the conversation around the world. help us with just today's diplomatic events. put them in perspective. what do you take away from the fact that prime minister netanyahu appeared to say no to secretary of state blinken after he visited today? >> not surprising because among the israeli population, the notion of a humanitarian pause is very unpopular. kep in mind we have the families of 240 hostages who have been taken by hamas. the humanitarian system, if you will, in gaza is their only leverage to get back from hamas. some indication of the whereabouts of their loved ones, even whether their loved ones are in captivity. many of these families don't know whether their families are in captivity. they're missing. they had the red cross visit the hostages. israel will have no leverage. if we have internal politics, does america have internal politics? i think there's also fear any aid that gets into gaza will find its way to hamas. why supply our enemy with vital supplies? that will only cost us in terms of our soldiers' lives. >> sometimes words used by diplomats matter. is there a difference in your view between what the united states calls a humanitarian pause and what the prime minister calls a temporary cease-fire? >> it's a very good question. a pause is essentiality a temporary cease-fire. it depends whether it's geographically located. you can have a pause on a certain part of southern gaza for a certain population that is missing a certain degree of food or medicine. and i think it's very important to point out that i'm not a spokesman for the state of israel. i'm a private citizen today. and i understand where secretary of state blinken is coming from. america has internal politics. i understand the administration is under increasing pressure from its own party, certainly from international partners about the rising civilian casualty rate in gaza. so i understand where he's coming from. i would hope israel would find a way at some point to let these pauses and these limited corridors go through. at the end of the day, i think it's in israel's interests as well because we have to create time and space for our army to do what it has to do, which is basically save this country. and we can't -- won't have that time and space if international pressure is mounting for a cease-fire. a cease-fire means hamas wins, simple as that. cease-fire means hamas gets away with mass murder. >> i accept the point, you're a private citizen, but you're very well plugged in in israeli politics and with the israeli government. we've seen the release of some hostages. any leeway in the israeli position that all hostages would have to be released before a cease-fire or a much broader pause is possible? >> i think the significance, diplomatic language, i think they were saying a pause would be considered when the hostages released or if the red cross could visit the hostages. i want to be careful here. again, i'm not a spokesman. that's what i understood from his remarks. there has to be some kind of quid pro quo. >> the question is, is there anyone who can help? as you know, from israel, secretary blinken went on to jordan to meet with regional partners about security, trying to make progress in the release of hostages. this is one of the defining questions. do you think there is anybody, any other country, entity that has the type of leverage with hamas to make that happen? >> qatar. qatar, qatar, qatar, three answers. qatar is the godfather of hamas. qatar hold is some of the leading figures in hamas. it is the bankroller of hamas in many ways. so america has influence over qatar. america has a major naval base in qatar. qatar has major business interests in the united states. i think the pressure should be put on qatar to at least let the red cross visit these hostages. >> ambassador michael oren, grateful for your time, sir, thank you. >> thank you, john. while the united states pushes for diplomatic solution, we are learning the american military is flying drones over gaza to help locate the more than 240 hostages still missing. oren lieberman joins us from the pentagon with that reporting. what have you learned about this mission for the u.s. drones? >> reporter: john, these drones fit into the bigger effort from the biden administration and the military to try to help israel in any way when it comes to the intel aspect and the planning aspect of the hostage rescue effort. we have seen flight tracks on flight tracking websites showing what are unidentified aircraft on the flight tracking websites. what we have since learned from multiple u.s. officials are american drones circling repeatedly over southern gaza. in an attempt to try to gather any sort of information, anything that could help the u.s. and israel identify where the hostages are or where a hoshost age hostage effort could succeed. we haven't heard they've located the hostages or have a clear sense where they are, but that effort continues since october 7th to try to help in any way possible, to try to move forward the hostage rescue effort. it's important to note these are unarmed surveillance drones. they are not part of targeting so they're not passing targeting info on to the israelis or intel used in targeting. it is solih and narrowly used to try to gather intel, find some progress on the effort to rescue hostages. >> tell us more about mg-9 reaper drone? is that what we're talking about? who in the united states military is responsible for flying them over gaza? >> what could be clear is the drones over gaza, we're not clear if they're mq-9 reaper drones. it's likely the same type of asset. these are advanced and sophisticated surveillance drones capable of picking up a number of different kinds of signals. so effectively, this is exactly what you want flying over gaza to see if you can get any sort of intel. they also have a long loiter time, so they're able to stay there and gather any sort of signals, any sort of intelligence possible to try to move that effort forward in terms of the hostage recess few effort. >> oren lieberman at the pentagon, thank you so much. the head of hezbollah hasn't made a public speech in about 17 years. today he uttered his first words in public praising the october 7th attacks, and he spoke about whether the war israel is fighting could escalate beyond israel's northern border, where hezbollah is located. also, more tonight on the former first family's legal issues. eric trump testified today, and we'll tell you what he said about his father doing the same thing next week in theheir new york civilil fraud tririal. israel's military says it is on a, quote, very high level of alertness at its northern border with lebanon. the announcement comes a day after an unusually strong exchange of fire with iran-backed hezbollah. and after the leader of hezbollah today made his first public remarks since 2006, praising the october 7th attack on israel. >> translator: it was an action that was heroic, brave, innovative, and it was very well executed. it was great. it was a huge earthquake in the region. >> he threatened the possibility -- possibility of an escalation of fighting on israel's northern border, but he did not directly state that hezbollah is planning to launch a larger fight. let's get to cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. you've been in that region, you've seen the skirmishes day to day. what is the current state of play, and how is the nasrallah remarks being interpreted? you could read them any number of ways. >> reporter: john, there was an enormous amount of anticipation in advance of this speech. fear, even, here in northern israel that nasrallah would announce a major escalation in this war. we were in the midst of israeli live fire exercises yesterday, preparing for the possibility of an escalation. we saw israeli military leaders saying they were on a very high state of alert. we witnessed that high state of alert, on a hillside in a northern city earlier today where they were posting lookouts to look for potential rocket strikes. in the end, nasrallah said that such an escalation is on the table, in his words, but he did not order it yet. said that it would depend on israeli military action, israelis' decisions going forward. that's notable because you may remember the concern had been if and when israel began major ground operations inside gaza, that that might be the trigger. in fact, we've seen the beginning of major ground operations inside gaza. and that has not triggered that major response from hezbollah yet. i will tell you, though, that that does not mean that the alarm here is gone. you still have large swaths of the northern part of this country that have been evacuated. those people are not going home any time soon, and those 70,000 israeli forces that have been stationed on the border in anticipation of such an esescalation, they're not leaving either. >> jim sciutto, thanks so much. perspective from rama igra, m.i.a. unit of mossad, the israeli intelligence service. idf says the israeli military is on a very high level of alertness at that northern border. where do you see this headed there, especially after the nasrallah speech? >> the nasrallah speech was very interesting in many respects.

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