>> the leaders of the world's two largest economies today broke a lengthy chill today. and where it will go from here will play out with days and weeks to come. for now, the first chapter written, the news continues with kaitlan collins and the source. >> tonight, straight from the source. joe manchin is an outgoing senator, but is he also an outgoing democrat? i asked him that question directly tonight as he now says that he would absolutely consider a bid for the white house, while also insisting that he's not going to be a spoiler. plus, president biden just wrapped up a crucial press conference in san francisco after meeting with china's president and -- questions about israel's war and hamas backing up israel's claim that there was a hamas command and control center beneath the biggest hospital in gaza. and nikki haley now partially walking backup campaign pledge made just yesterday after setting off a firestorm over suggesting a ban on an ominous social media users. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. tonight, we begin with our one-on-one with senator joe manchin, who is not running for reelection in the senate, but is considering running for president. amid a lot of speculation about what he has planned next, manchin is now opening a knowledge-ing that he is absolutely considering a potential run for president. he's also dismissing concerns, a lot of them coming out of the white house right now, but he could be a spoiler for president biden. manchin's imminent departure from the senate is also threatening to shake up the balance of power on capitol hill. democrats there have a slim two seat majority of the senate. let's go straight to the source tonight. joining me now is democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. senator, thank you for being here. obviously, senator schumer -- >> first of all, thanks for having me, caitlin, appreciate it. >> thank you for being here, for your time. you know as well as i do, senator schumer really want to do to run again, but you announced that you are not gonna be doing shot. do you think democrats can keep the senate majority without you? >> is the thing. everyone is worried about the majority so much, and i understand that, because it does set the committees and sets the agenda. but the bottom line is -- it takes 60 to pass something. every senator has a tremendous amount of power, whether you're in the majority or the minority. the majority is always the best place to be, and we'll see. we have john test with us, he's good people, i wish him well. >> a lot of key races. you talked a lot new time about bipartisanship in the senate, senator mitch mcconnell once praised to you for saving the filibuster, which he said preserved at the senate. but then he flew to west virginia and directly recruited your most formidable challenger. do you feel betrayed by that? >> that's politics, you know. this is not the most honorable profession in the world anymore. with that said, it's all about the next election, and it's all about the party system. kaitlan, that's the problem. the business of politics has gotten so big because the business model is a democrat business and republican business. and israelis forgot about the people to a certain extent. so all they want is 51 or greater to be in the majority. and then, they do so much damage trying to get there that when they do get their, they're not even close to 60. but if you want to get something done, you have to get 60. so it's just a horrible situation when every time you are in cycle, you're up, it could be one of your better friends on the other side, if you have a d by your name or an are on your name, you're supposed to be against the person on the other side no matter who it is. and it never used to be like that. they tell us way back when, they used to be an unwritten rule. and, now this is fair game, and there's no way -- where we come from, whether it be alabama or west virginia, that you try to get someone fired every day, you go to work and expect they're gonna be your next best friend next week. it doesn't work. >> the kind of makes it sound like -- are you gonna leave the democratic party? >> you know, i don't know -- i've never considered myself a washington journal crap. i've been a very independent person. and i don't really -- >> that sounds like you are leaving. >> well now, you have a dnr by your name, but it should not identify who you are. if you change who you are because you have the, then you have an hour, a lot of people go back and forth, it's more for the pull persons political than who the person is. no matter what i have by may, i have independent thinking, i vote independently, of always done that for 40 years. so we will see. i know what you are saying, but we will see, i have not gotten there yet. >> but you still considering that? >> sure. sure, you always consider that. absolutely. >> is it likely that you're gonna leave the democratic party? >> i'm sure they'll be happy. they might throw me out soon, who knows. they do me a favor. i don't know. >> since you made your announcement last week, have you spoken to president biden? >> i have not spoken to him. i got a nice note from him and everything, he's been traveling quite a bit. i spoke to steve brush eddie in the white house, and he's very close to the president. so i am sure that we will be talking. >> what did you make of his statement that he did put out? he basically was tying you to all of his bigger complements that he's had an office. seems like he was sending a pretty clear message with that statement. >> well, the clear message is this. nothing would've happened without bipartisanship, and i've been -- leading the charge on bipartisanship on every piece of legislation. and i'm happy that they think some of us did good. i've not been pleased and how they are trying to basically implement, especially the i.r.a., and i've been keeping and holding the feet to the fire on that. but we have done some great things. and we did that basically with a 50/50 senate. that 50/50 senate, it was started by bipartisanship -- susan collins, mitt romney, just a bunch of us got together, and we just worked on all those bills. the electoral count act, we want to make sure this never happen again, this insurrection that we saw on january the 6th, and then you go down the line. bipartisan infrastructure. bipartisan infrastructure bill was pulled out -- i pulled that out of the bibi because it was something we truly had to have. we haven't fixed any of our infrastructure and 30 years. when you look at that, and you look at all the things that we've done -- >> yeah. >> it was an unbelievable stretch. >> you've said you are proud of that legacy, not just what you've accomplished for the people of west virginia, but the question is, what you're going to do next. and you are very clearly exploring a third party run. but are you worried that the third party run for the white house could damage that legacy, potentially? >> well, let me just say this. everyone's talking about a third party run. i'm talking about basically trying to resurrect the middle. the moderate middle. the sensible, common sense middle. and right now, i don't care what you say or what people might be thinking. they're telling me that we've had enough. we can't take it. it's just so much visceral, you know? when you have donald trump basically normalizing the attacks on human beings every day, you, know anybody who doesn't agree with him, he's after. and i've said this. the country would be in a horrible situation, challenging our democracy, if he got reelected. and i've said this very clearly. he believes that truly, the only fair election is the one he wins. he believes that the law only applies to everybody but him. and he attacks anybody who doesn't agree with him. and he uses his horrible analogies of so many get americans, just because they might not be in his bandwidth, if you will. so it would be horrible on that, and no truly concern for the rule of law, who we are as americans, what we're about. and that's the thing we're talking about. having to a certain extent on president biden -- is not the person we thought was getting elected, being a centrist and moderate. he's been pushed so far to the left. so if we have this movement in the middle, maybe we can pull people back to a common sense middle where they can govern. and this is a long run, it's not just for the next election. we're in this, we have americans together, and my daughter is taking that -- we're gonna help people anywhere we find them. democratic or republican, it wants to where -- >> senator manchin, with what you just said there about donald trump, and then you said you believe joe biden, that president biden has been pushed to five to the left, i mean, which one do you think is a bigger threat to america,? >> donald. well, donald trump, i think, we would lose democracy as we know it. he has no regard whatsoever for the rule of law, what we are as a country, basically the orderly transfer of power. and so, so much problems as far as within our system that he has no regard whatsoever. >> but that's the white house argument as well as to why they don't believe he should run. because they believe if you did, you take votes from biden and helped reelect donald trump. >> let me just tell you, i'm not gonna be a spoiler. i'm not looking for any spoilers. but i'm looking for basically how we're gonna govern this country, caitlin, from the middle. you cannot run your life from the extremes. you're not gonna be successful. it'll be very difficult. you're not gonna have a successful business if you're in extremes, and you can't continue to run this country. you can have open borders, you can't have run away that, you can't have the problems we have, the challenges, crime, all the things we've got a fight. we've got two of our allies fighting for their life in israel and ukraine right now that we're trying to prevent ourselves from getting pulled into a war. there's so much going on. president biden has worked well overseas with our nato allies, i think he's done a good job. right now, it's gonna be very serious, but we've got to get our financial house in order, you've got a secure our borders, and also, on top of that, we have an awful lot of people coming here that need to have work visas so they can pay their own way and pay taxes. rather than just sucking off the system. >> you just said you never want to be a spoiler. how and when would you know if that's the case? >> i think, you know, as they said before, this is the long run. where out they're basically trying to say, hey, are you happy with what's going on? what did you leave? i have a lot of friends who left. why did you leave so early? are they just frustrated with the system? i know the answer, but i'm saying, i want them to be more public. and if they can come out and start talking about what they saw, what was wrong, and what had to be fixed, then we can start building from that core again. and right now, there's not that many in the middle. you know that. not that many centrists. it, say i'm not sure how they're gonna vote. we pretty much know most of them are gonna vote party line, whether it be democrat or republican. they never did know from me, because obviously, i look at the issue, and i was gonna vote what i thought would help my country, my state, and i can go home and explain it. and if i couldn't explain it, i don't care what the democrats come after me or republicans. i wasn't gonna support something or be against something just because they wanted me to do it. i won't do that. >> but you said you very clearly not gonna vote for donald trump. you said it would be bad for democracy if he is reelected. and you said you want president biden to make changes if you're gonna support him. what changes, exactly, do you want to see from the white house? >> well, first of all, we don't know who -- we just have suspected that it looks as if we'll have a rematch. but we don't know where that's going to go. and the bottom line is that i believe that president biden has been pushed to the left. he feels like that's where the base of the party, where he thinks he has to go. how many times have they spoken about the inflation reduction act as being an energy security? have they ever said -- 230 billion dollars of that. >> are you saying you don't think president biden should run again? >> oh, i'm not asking you telling anybody what to do. my goodness, no. i'm hoping that they see that there's a movement, and he can come back to where he started from. that's the election that was going in 2020. or anybody else. i wanna make sure that we have a movement of senators that will bring democrats and republicans that will be happy to be in the middle, because they have support. -- centrist, moderates. >> do you think that joe biden could beat donald trump if that is the rematch? >> i can't predict. because you know it, i never believe any poll. the only poll i believe is election day poll. i'm seeing all kinds of numbers, as you are. i can't predict that. >> who would you vote for? >> it looks very challenging right now. i'm gonna wait and see who we have in this. let's see what happens. there's a lot to happen. >> when you're making your decision on whether to enter the race by super tuesday? >> well, super tuesday, that's been set. basically, super tuesday is when you're gonna know exactly who the candidates are gonna be by the respective parties. the democrat, republican business machine is gonna make that termination what they're gonna do. and you'll have both of them clinging to the extremes. >> how do you make your determination? >> well, that's when anything would be starting, if those people that we have someone that's gonna run for the middle, or move into the middle, and make a run -- that's probably when it will start. i would assume, because there's no need to start before that. you don't have to be in the primary. so, again, i want to tell you. this is the long haul. this is beyond the 2024 election. this is 26 and 28. this is basically getting people to understand. there is support. the people want you to make reasonable, responsible decisions, not be -- party line votes. you know, it's just awful, the way that we have kind of just shoved people to their respective corners, and expect that's the way we're gonna have democracy and have any type of leadership position. because i can tell you, if we don't get our act together, when you saw yesterday, the behavior, and these are good people, i know them all, how they got themselves worked into a frenzy like that, where they wanted to fight, calling each other names -- this is not a banana republic. it's not a third world country. this is the united states of america. people are looking at us for leadership, kaitlan. they're looking for us as a superpower of the world to show them how civility, how democracy, how freedom, how you maintain it. >> senator joe manchin, as always, thank you for your time. >> thanks, caitlin. i appreciate being with you. >> you heard senator manchin there saying he doesn't think he would be a spoiler. if he does enter the presidential race, though there's a question about the history of what third-party beds have often done. jamal simmons -- here to break down that entire interview with their thoughts, and trust me, they have thoughts. that's right after this. plus, also, you just saw president biden in san francisco wrapping up a crucial meeting with the chinese president and taking questions on israel. those highlights ahead. >> you just heard from senator joe manchin, his first interview with cnn since the announcement that he is not running for reelection, sharing his thoughts tonight on president biden, a possible second term for former president trump, and whether or not he is considering leaving the democratic party altogether. joining me now is jamal simmons, the former deputy assistant to president biden, the former -- communications director to vice president harris, also here is cnn political commentator -- >> advisor to no one ever. >> advisor to us all, actually. really, our wise advisor. he worked in the white house. >> share. >> how do you think they took those comments from senator manchin there? >> i'm just gonna take them the way they take everything with senator manchin, which is the wait and see. let's wait and see what he does. there's a little bit of a theater to joe manchin in the beginning, when he kind of dances as if he might not be there. but you can get him to a good place by the time the processes of a. i think he's a democrat. he's actually a legitimate democrat. he's been democrat his entire life. the question is, does he feel like there's something in it for him running for president other than just supporting joe biden? i've gotta say, he says the president has been pushed to fire, so i'm not sure exactly what it does he means. he passed a lot of bipartisan legislation. joe manchin was a part of all that. he talked about some of it, including what we're seeing right now with israel. but he's not catering to the left. he's actually catering to a fairly centrist position. i'm just not share what the too far to the left biden looks like. >> the left would disagree. student loan debt, israel -- what do you think of the comments about not just, that he seemed worried about what donald trump's second term would be to democracy. very clear what he thought. but the question in the white house complaint is that you can potentially help with that. >> -- great job. i was confused by what joe manchin was saying. i think he correctly identified a lot of problems. the extremism on both wings of the party being one, the threat that donald trump is to democracy. all that's true, the lack of civility. i'm not sure what he's proposing to do about it himself. because he's not telling us if he's running, he's just saying we'll be here in the middle. for what? the other problem i have is, i don't know who joe manchin's fans are. he was popular in west virginia, although not popular enough now to win reelection. he is unpopular enough to win reelection in west virginia even if he leaves the democratic party. so, i'm not -- who are mentions constituents? if he is contemplating a run. and then, of course he would be a spoiler. of course he'd be a spoiler. with someone like joe biden, whose poll numbers are not >> but that doesn't seem to be -- i mean, if he runs, he's making it sound like he's gonna leave the democratic party. he didn't say yes, outright, of course, we pressed mom it multiple times, and he made it very clear what he thinks about the democratic party, at least in washington post. >> yes. and i think, obviously, if he does, that's an indication that he wants a future in politics. because there's no point to leaving the party if you're going to leave office and just stay the democrat that you believe you are. so i think if we do see that switch, clearly, he thinks that he's got a future either running for president or in some, you know, as a third party voice for maybe future elections. he's a prolific fund-raiser. in the past five years, he raised money from 50 billionaires, with a b. corporations love him, fox news loves him, he's got a lot more fans on the right than he did on the left anymore, so maybe he wants to be a fundraising juggernaut. he doesn't have no future in politics. i'm just not sure he's got a future as the president. >> let me just say this. i think it's also pretty exciting to be booed by everyone. right? everyone wants him to jump in. everyone wants to see which way are gonna vote. the minute you decide to run for president and it doesn't work out, the wooing ends. and i think there are politicians like joe manchin who are very aware that there's a moment where they lose the sexy. and i'm not sure he wants to do that. >> that's a weird image. >> jamal simmons, thank you very much. i had, we have breaking news tonight that we're also following. president biden just speaking a solo press conference where he backed up israel's claim that hamas does have a headquarters underneath that hospital in gaza, the largest hospital there, that is still being raided by the idf tonight. that's's ahead. you want to be able to provide your child with the tools or resources they need. with reliable internet at home, through the internet essentials program, the world opened up. fellas, fellas. that's how my son was able to find the hidden genius project. we wanted to give y'all the necessary skills to compete with the future. kevin's now part of this next generation of young people who feel they can thrive. ♪ ♪ >> breaking news tonight, president biden has wrapped up his meeting, his first conversation with chinese president, xi jinping, with conversations on u.s. china relations. also in subsequent press conferences on what is happening on israel, and hamas. disrupt a few moments ago after the high stakes meeting. cnn's mj lee, was there. you are obviously talking to president biden about this. the high level military communication that he was having in this big headline, this first face-to-face meeting, but he was asked a lot of questions about israel itself. it claims, over intelligence, that israel says it has, and the u.s. has backed up about whether or not hamas does have that command, and control center underneath the hospital. what did he tell you? >> at the very end, caitlin, i tried to asking president biden whether he was absolutely confident about the claims that there is a hamas command center under that hospital. he, unequivocally, said that he was yes. when i pressed him on whether there was anything he could share in terms of details proving that, he said it is not something he could talk about. clearly, we are seeing here, u.s. officials having to ask -- answer questions about israel's conduct in this ongoing war. throughout the press conference, we heard president biden carefully addressing the issue of israel's conduct, and whether they are taking enough steps to be careful about minimizing civilian casualties. then, just bringing it back to the summit here, kaitlan. what the president, and u.s. officials here, have set out to do in the big picture, of course, was to have a reset, of sorts, in u.s. china relations that has so badly deteriorated over the last year or so. in terms of just the specific tangibles, we saw this play out. the reestablishment of the military, to military communications, this big announcement on trying to crack down on fentanyl production. there, was also, just the dynamics that we saw between the two leaders. trying to show, in their body language, some warmth. a bit that they took on the grounds here. all of that was noteworthy. but, i did ask president biden whether he will, still, after today, referred to president xi as a dictator. this was that exchange. >> mister president, after today, would you still refer to president xi dictated to trump, earlier this year? >> he is. he's a dictator in the sense that, he is someone who runs the country that is a communist country, that is based on a government totally different than ours. >> so the context of course there was a reference to one, earlier this year, referred to him as a dictator. the dictators don't like to be caught off guard, and it was a chinese surveillance balloon. suggesting that they didn't have the full picture, and information about the spy balloon was shot down. we're just going to take a bit of time to get a full, full picture of how china will respond to that comment at the very end. president biden, calling him a dictator. this is not going to be well received, probably, by some of those chinese officials. i think in the big picture, trying to have a successful summit on what they set out to do in resetting u.s. china relations. >> just a different standard for it, just restoring that military to military communication. mj lee, great questions there. also during this press conference, there were questions about what is happening in gaza tonight. the al-shifa hospital, the idf forces entered it last night. they released new video that, they say, shows weapons, ammunition, and a radio that was the largest hospital in gaza. it was not this evidence of the extensive tunnel system and underneath the al-shifa hospital. the israel defense forces talking about hamas, using this hospital as its headquarters. it was 3d animation that they're used throwing here, showing these tunnels. it was this intelligence now, and colonel leighton, when you see these questions and what is underneath this hospital, is it what israel said it is? we know from a senior adviser to prime minister netanyahu, and from the days, and weeks to come. can they show the difference for today though? >> there might be several reasons for that. there is still efforts trump of the hamas fighters on their, and with pockets of resistance. what is one possible scenario. there was with oren liebermann that filed with some of the hamas facilities. that indicated, certainly, there are tunnels there. there are underneath the al-shifa hospital, that remains to be seen. for those tunnels, it was having to be used especially in this scenario that have been with it. >> on the big picture of this, who they were talking about israel making sure that he said that hamas can never conduct on october 7th again. those military capabilities. it was either theoretically, or not theoretically, how long would that take israel? we've seen that going into this hospital, they've been there for 24 hours now, but obviously, gaza is a dense place. they don't really know where all of the hamas fighters, and commanders, are. how long could a timeline of establishing israel's goal here actually take? >> they could take a long time, kaitlan. this is the problem with setting these kinds of goals. you need to set a kind of go for an operation like this. to completely eliminate hamas, that will be almost impossible to achieve, at least within the next, i would, say year or so. we are really talking about hearts and minds, in addition to physical capabilities. that is a very different scenario. >> lots of questions about what that looks like. cedric leighton, thank you for joining us on this breaking news tonight. >> you bet, caitlin. >> meanwhile, as you see those strong signs of support from president biden, tonight, there is a rally calling for a cease-fire in gaza that turned tense outside of the headquarters of the democratic national committee in washington d.c.. you can see here, hundreds of demonstrators, face to face with d.c., and capitol police officers. we have heard from capitol police tonight saying that they have made arrests, and they have not specified how many. they do say that members of congress were evacuated from the area after of a crowd of around 150 people turned violent. we heard from congressman brad sherman of california, posting on twitter, he was one of the members who was a vacuum aided. we are continuing to monitor that story. also tonight, you heard from senator joe manchin at the top of the hour. not only not running for reelection, but considering a third party presidential run. next, we turn to a house democrat to his thrown his hat into the ring to challenge president biden. dean phillips is here in studio. >> tonight, senator joe manchin not ruling out an independent bid for president as he says he's weighing his next move. that comes as we hear from new hampshire officials today confirming their primary will be held january 23rd, openly defying president biden and the democratic national committee with their plans to have south carolina be in the party's first nominating contest. the president will not be on the ballot in new hampshire, but at least 21 other democrats will be. that includes congressman dean phillips of minnesota, who is here with us. congressman, you're running for office. you're not taking the tack that senator manchin may take in challenging president biden for the democratic nomination. he's doing independent, you're doing democrat. why should a democratic voter vote for you over president biden? >> well, let me start with the fact that 80% of americans right now want neither of the leading candidates. 80%. the disconnect between washington, d. c., the political industrial complex, and american voters, is graphic. the polls are showing it, by the way. and why? it's time for change. we needed new generation. president biden is a good man, i respect him, he's been doing this for 50 years. eight years in the white house. but the way, four months when president obama and vice president biden had the white house, the senate and, the house. we could've caught a fight of women's weight to choose during those months. -- the issues we are facing in the middle east right now have existed my entire life, i'm 54. biden has been a senator since i was three years old. these are problems of the past no one has dealt with, and it's time for a new generation. it's almost getting to a point of irresponsibility to think that we should do the same things with the same people in the same positions, and somehow think that it's gonna work out differently. no, it's time for change, people want it badly, and i'm gonna be the voice for a new generation. >> why do you think you're the alternative to president biden as the democratic nominee? well, so far, caitlin. i'm the only one who's jumped into the race. i just saw your interview with senator manchin. there are others who tap dance and fly around the world meeting with other world leaders. you know, the water is warm, get in the race. this is the united states of america. i would invite people -- >> who else do you think should get in? >> anybody who is competent and able to save, because if we turn this country back over to donald trump, we will not have a 2020 election that america's are accustomed to. that's the truth. that's the only reason why i'm doing this. it is absurd, it is irresponsible, it's a dereliction of duty that we have people prepared to run for president that are somehow afraid, afraid of the very system that is supposed to be promoting democracy. so that's why i say, come into the race. jill stein, cornell west, joe manchin, well, kennedy left, i don't think he's a democrat anymore -- but into the primary. that's why we have primaries. right now, it's marianne williamson, me, and president biden, and president biden chose not to be on the ballot in the first state in the end -- nation, new hampshire. that's where we're at. >> i think hillary clinton might have something to say about jill stein being in the race. >> darn, right third party candidates. -- the issue is, right now, we cannot do something that would make it easier for donald trump to return to the white house. there are four people making it easier for him right now. cornell west, jill stein, possibly joe manchin, and joe biden. that's the truth. look at the numbers. president biden is down nationally, 49 points. he's done in five of six of the battleground states. his approval ratings are approaching historic lows, only rivaled by jimmy carter, and the country is so clearly saying they want change. and why nobody other than me as decided to enter a race when 80% of the country wants change is showing me what is really wrong with the system. >> it's interesting that you're encouraging other people to get in the race. are you running to be president, are you running so that biden is not the next nominee? >> no. i'm running to prevent donald trump from becoming president. i'm running to win the presidency. i would actually be the most experienced president in recent history. business experience, nonprofit experience, government experience. president biden, a good man. he spent his entire year -- >> you don't think he's experienced? >> yes, and one category. public service. nothing else. nothing -- kaitlan, the presidency is a lot more than public service. >> you must understand the business world, the nonprofit world, and you must understand government. i'll give him credit for being 50 years in the game and he's a good man, i keep saying that. but this notion of your entire career, your entire -- that's not with our founders intended. but the white, that's the problem in congress right now. look at the people. look at the people who are controlling the system. i'm talking to college students almost every day. i school students. there's a reason why donald trump is tied with joe biden amongst young people. they are sick of this. and i'm saying, let's do better. it's time for optimism, hope, it's time for a new american century. by the way, and people are struggling so much, kaitlan, right now, affordability is in hugely -- >> it's a massive issue. >> massive, huge. >> when you look at other people who have challenged an incumbent president, obviously, the incumbency is its own advantage. >> sure. >> and yet presidential race. >> huge advantage. >> people typically challenge an incumbent in their own party, it's because they have massive diverse agreements with them on policy. what's the biggest policy disagreement with president biden? is that the economy? >> well, first, let me say the biggest issue with the president is he's going to lose. president biden and vice president harris are going to lose to donald trump. look at the numbers. it's just -- >> it's still a year out. >> you've been doing this for a while. you know the numbers. you've had people on your show. every pundit, every week, they're saying the same thing. look at people of prominence with no skin in the game -- >> let's get back to the policy question. >> but let me -- i just referenced. let me start with what's going on in ukraine in the middle east, okay? in 2014, i think it was, vladimir putin entered crimea. took crimea. when president biden, then vice president biden, was in the white house. what did the united states do? nothing. why do you think where in the circumstance -- >> he wanted to do more -- >> and i'm telling you right now, it's the truth. in 2014, crimea was invaded by vladimir putin, we did nothing. and president biden, then vice president, was in the white house. i'm 54 years old. this obnoxious, discussion sting and bloodshed between israel and palestinians has been occurring, this horrible cycle, for the entire time that president biden has served in the united states senate. these are issues that have existed for decades. >> so you disagree with him on ukraine? >> i disagree with the fact that we should be keeping the same people in the same positions doing the same thing that have led to nothing but war, and affordability, despair. we've got a crisis in this country that everyone watching the snow is now israel. the people in washington do not. joe biden is a good man. but it is time to pass the torch. they're gonna lose the election. the numbers -- >> the white house would say -- >> let me say one more thing -- >> the white house would say you voted for president biden. >> of course. >> 100 percent of the time. >> of course. by the white, they're only a handful of bills that come to the white house. not only did i vote form -- >> pretty big bills. >> big bells. >> microchips. >> the infrastructure bill was a huge bill for the future. no question. the chips, bill -- weir at standing. bell inflation reduction act, really a climate bill, good stuff. the real issue is affordability. people are struggling. fuel prices, grocery prices, health care -- >> economic plans? >> that's just the beginning, kaitlan. of course they did. and not only did i vote for him, i was a member of house leadership, and my role was to market them. that was the beginning. the issue is not what we've done. i'm making the proposition that we have a crisis of affordability. we have people sleeping in the streets and every town, every village, every city in america right now. they should be an all hands on dust approach to make sure nobody is sleeping on the streets. we have a major crisis at the border. and if you think they're addressing it at the border is the right way, we've gotta go upstream, go to the northern triangle countries, invest our resources, change the asylum policy. cannabis legalization. the president has not acted on something about 80% of the country wants done. we have massive issues here. we still don't have paid leave. we still don't have pre-k childcare. we still can't afford childcare because nobody can even leave their homes and go to work because it's so expensive. housing is so expensive, so unaffordable, unavailable. we need all hands on deck housing production initiative as well. by the way, young people? i will have a youth cabinet in the white house. i will have a bipartisan cabinet. the most important issue is this. you asked about differences -- the president has done a good job governing. he saved our country. he was the only person we could've beaten donald trump in 2020. he's probably the only moderate democrat who could lose to him in 2024. he made a promise to restore the soul of america. that -- >> congressman -- >> that is not happening. we have to repair. we have to come together. it's time for a new generation. >> -- i'm sure the white house disagrees with iran -- >> of course, it's a free country. >> appreciate your time. speaking to the republican side of the 2020 race, nikki haley is now partially walking back her campaign pledge. her comments ahead. >> should social media users be fourth to use their legal names online? republican presidential candidate nikki haley certainly start-up a lot of controversy when she said she believed so. >> every person on social media should be verified. by their name. that's -- first of all, it's a national security threat. when you do that, all of a sudden, people have to stand by what they say. >> the comment quickly drew pushback from her gop rivals, and today, we heard from haley clarifying she said it wasn't americans that she would crack down on if she was president, but instead foreign adversaries. >> i think social media companies need to show us their algorithms. be transparent to the american people. i don't mind anonymous american people having free speech, what i don't want is anonymous russians, chinese, and iranians having free speech. >> donie o'sullivan is with us. i think the first question when she made the first comments there and walked them back partially today was, is this, a, constitutional, and be, even possible? >> yeah. i think firstly, this is not gonna happen. especially, you can't legislate for this, and of course, the questions of constitutionality around this are very valid. that being said, i think haley's comments might resonate, but not in the way she may be intended. she was talking about this as a foreign threat, and national security threat. but from people who have been harassed online over the years, particularly women online, i mean, people, you know, have been driven to suicide because of anonymous accounts, anonymous trolls. whether it's teenagers, even a couple years back now, i think we have some headlines to show, there was a member of the british parliament who talked about the amount of threats of she got. 600, i think, all mostly from anonymous account. there is this kind of veil of anonymity that people can take, and they will go and say terrible, awful things. and to haley's point, if there is, you know, if you have to stand by what you're saying, you might think twice before saying that. however, on the flip side here, look, we've seen the role that social media plays in, you know, bringing democracy to different parts of the world, or at least uprisings in parts of the world. and for people who are repressed, living under a repressive regimes, they also rely on anonymity online to be able to speak out. -- whistleblowers, people in this country who are trying to speak out where they otherwise might not be able to. >> you had from people like elon musk today saying no. >> yeah. it's not gonna happen. that being said, there's nothing to stop somebody like elon musk to build a platform where everybody's verified. they have to stay -- you know, have their name next to their account. i would be probably a much more pleasant place, but that's not gonna happen. >> yeah, but that would destroy the point of twitter, right? >> exactly. >> donie o'sullivan, thank you as always. and of course, thank you so much for joining us. we have a lot more news to come tonight, including those updates on capitol hill. cnn news night with abby philips starts right after a quick break. in order for small businesses to thrive, they need to be smart, efficient, savvy. making the most of every opportunity. that's why comcast business is introducing the small business bonus. for a limited time you can get up to a $1000 prepaid card with qualifying internet. yep, $1000. so switch to business internet from the company with the largest fastest reliable network and that powers more businesses than anyone else. learn how you can get $1000 back for your business today. comcast business. powering possibilities.
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