>> thank you very much, thank you, everyone. appreciated. the news continues. thankfully, the source with kaitlan collins starts. now see you tomorrow straight from the source tonight, dr. anthony fauci is here fresh off a contentious hearing before congress and off the rails circus really are one republican told him, he belongs in prison for crimes against humanity they'll respond live in moments also the sitting president son is now on trial and we now have a jury will decide hunter biden's fete, a gun purchase, and an addiction to drugs. >> is that the center of this case but it could very well turn into a soap opera. we taught you here, who's on the potential? witness list donald trump's latest, please use facing the potential of prison and just a few weeks from now when that sentencing hearing happens, he's now calling on the supreme court to step a bid while president biden for the first time is calling trump, a convicted felon, i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source he's either a hero or villain, depending on who you ask in an era of extreme division and hyper-partisanship dr. anthony fauci, who became the face of america's response to the covid pandemic. >> went before congress today for the first time since, for hiring from government service two years ago for perhaps his final showdown with republicans over mask mandates, vaccine guidelines in the origins of covid-19 things quickly went from tents, too emotional too chaotic exhibit a, georgia congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene de represent science. mr. fauci? yes or no? no. that's not a yes or no. yes. it's a yesterday. this is science what is dogs have to do with anything that we're talking about today is your scientific experiments. you're not dr. your, mr. fauci and my few minutes, he belongs in suspend. >> i've instructed her to address him as doctor july address. doctor. >> is this what we have become? is this what we have devolved into? >> we should be writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. you belong in prison. dr. fauci prosecuted for crimes against humanity. of course, whether you agree with dr. fauci or not, he has served his country for more than half a century in public service he was the nation's top infectious disease expert he's advised seven us presidents from both parties and of course he famously worked on the federal response to aids, but also a bola, the zika virus. anthrax scares. and also, as we all know covid, there should be questions about what happened given more than 1 million americans died during that the pandemic. and there are what could have been done differently, how could we, as a country have saved more lives? public officials should be held to account. we can all agree to that but fact-finding can and should be done with some level of decency dr. fauci and his family are still receiving death threats, meaning they still require a security even to this day they have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals and credible death threats mean someone who clearly was on their way to kill me this much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters at this moment. how do you feel keep her micah terrible am i source tonight is dr. anthony fauci himself and dr. >> fauci, it's great to have you on tonight. i mean it was a remarkable day on capitol hill and obviously, you're not a stranger to testifying before congress or even pretty contentious here. brains, but i just wonder how today compares to the other times that you've been up on capitol hill, testify before lawmakers well, as you know, caitlin, thank you for having me. >> i have testified literally hundreds of times over the last 40 years, over congress. and there's always been differences of opinion, differences of audiology criticisms, and things like that. >> but the level of vitriol that we see now just in the country in general. >> but actually played out during this hearing was really quite unfortunate because the purpose of hearings or to try and figure out how we can do better so that next time if and when we all faced with a pandemic we'd be better prepared and we could benefit if mistakes were made, we identify them and we try to correct them for the future that's not what we saw today as shown by the clip you showed with marjorie taylor greene. i mean, that was nothing about trying to to do better. unfortunately. >> and you testified there at the end about the threats that you and your family are still getting even to this day and for those who don't know that was your wife, christine, who was esteemed in her own rights, sitting behind you there. i just wonder if you ever thought that you would still be getting threats like that, credible threats against your life. even now, two years out of government service it's very interesting. >> it's a patent pattern kaitlan, that whenever somebody gets up, whether it's a news media fox news, does it a lot, or it's someone body in the congress who gets up and makes a public statement that i'm responsible for the deaths of x number of people because of policies. okay. some crazy idea that i created the virus immediately. >> you could like clockwork, the death threats, go way up so that's the reason why i'm still getting death threats when you have performances like that unusual performance by marjorie taylor greene. in today's hearing, those are the kind of things that drive up the death threats because there are a segment of the population out there that believed that kind of nonsense. >> were you aware that sitting behind you today, we have them highlighted right now on the screen. but but that person that's brandon fellows, he's actually january 6, defendant, who was removed from the hearing later on and as he was leaving, i don't know if you could hear him, but we heard him on camera shouting that that he believed also that you belong in prison. did you hear that i didn't hear it, but it was brought to my attention before and there was also someone behind me. >> i don't know if it was the same person who was identified as someone who just got out of jail for being arrested for the january three sixth attack on the capitol. now, what somebody like that doing at a hearing about covid i mean, it was it was remarkable just to see who was in that room today and to hear what they were how they were responding to it, and obviously that hearing room was not the haven for what it was supposed to be about the genuine dialogue about how the government handled covid-19, how to be better prepared for the next inevitable pandemic. >> and so i do want to ask you about that tonight. and i do wonder, do you still believe that the evidence that you've seen does point to covid originating from animals as opposed to by humans in a lab kaitlan, as i said at the hearing. >> and then they transcribed interview. you have to keep an open mind since there is no definitive proof, one way or the other, it's one or the other. when i i look at the scientific evidence, i don't see any evidence that's concrete at all that it's a lab leak, even though a lot of people talk about it, i still think it's a possibility, but i haven't seen any evidence where there is reasonably good evidence, not definitive. that is suggestive, strongly suggestive that it came from a natural reservoir of an animal jumping into humans, having that, i repeat, i still keep an open mind because the definitive proof is not there. but in my mind it weighs more heavily of one than the other. >> what obviously a huge issue with this was a lack of accountability in working with the chinese his government on this. i mean, they were evading attempts to try to figure out what happened here. and given that, you testified, tell you said that neither you nor anyone can account for everything that happens inside of china. but i wonder what that means for american research dollars that go there and whether you think that means none of them should be sent there, that they should try to limit them. how should that happen? going forward kaitlan, if you look at the history going back decades of collaborations with chinese scientists, we're not talking about chinese officials were talking about china any scientists who've collaborated with the european union, with the united states, with canada, with australia. a lot of very good important science that has contributed to global health has come from collaborations with the chinese now, obviously because of the tension that's gone wrong on right now, that's changed a bit. >> and i hope it gets back to normality where there can be mutual benefit of inter elaborate international collaboration among sciences. the way it's been for decades. this is just very recent. this degree of tension that we're seeing. >> yeah, the other thing that came up today was focused on the us and how a deputy of yours at it the'90s age bragged about evading federal records laws and deleting emails to where they couldn't be produced to reporters people, members of the public, hoover, requesting them. and you talked about this, but what changes do you believe the nih should make to ensure that these open records request which which we believe are fundamentally important or not purposefully obstructed by officials yeah. well, first of all, kaitlan, let me say that the individual who did that was wrong. that is unexcused, able inappropriate. and that is not the way things go with the nih. that is an outlier and not typical at all of the hundreds, if not thousands a very hard working committed people at the national institutes of health so i hope that the public and the audience doesn't realize or doesn't come to the conclusion if i might say that one single person who did something that is totally unacceptable and very inappropriate, that that is reflective of the thousands of people who are doing their job and are committed to the health of this country and so what should be done differently? >> i mean, because there is a concern that people see that and you say it's it was an outlier, but there's a concern that it does diminish trust and really in public health overall, obviously at a time when it's needed the money most well, i'm not sure what you can do. kaitlan. it is it is not appropriate and it's in fact illegal and a violation of regulations to mess with public records that are official business records. and that was done and that's unfortunate but that happens when one person does something that's inappropriate and wrong. i said, i'm not sure what kind of correction we're talking about except to say that that is by no means typical of the conduct of the large, large numbers of people who work at the nih yeah. >> and overall, i mean, the the what i think people would like to walk away from a hearing like today is to see bipartisanship given scientists do say it's inevitable that we'll see another pandemic depending on when that is and from where you sit right now as a country, are we prepared to deal with another pandemic and your view? i think we have a ways to go. >> i mean, i think we've made some missteps along the way. i think there's some systemic issues that need to be addressed. i mentioned it at the hearing today that are association and connectivity between the local public health issue choose and the central cdc and other public health issues. there isn't the kind of real-time connectivity the cdc's aware of that. and they're trying to correct that. and i think the kinds of things we saw was a weakness at the public health implementation we did extremely well from the scientific standpoint. the investment of decades of research led to a vaccine in 11 months, which is unprecedented in the history of vaccinology, that has resulted in the saving of millions of lives. so when it comes to the science, we did well, we've got to do better at the public health health level. >> dr. anthony fauci. 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