time, very publicly he's also laying the groundwork in case he doesn't do so well in the debate stage by making completely wild claims that a good biden performance will be drug enhanced he's going to be so pumped up. he's going to be pumped up you know, all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house what happened? >> who who left is somebody? but he left it. they i wonder let's see, somebody left the laptop in an office of a gentleman was supposed to fix the laptop from hell. he never picked it up and somebody didn't pick up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cocaine. i wonder who that could have been so just as a point of fact, the bag found in the white house viscera stores can be last summer contain less than a gram of cocaine according to a staunchly conservative republican congressmen who was briefed by the secret service on it, a hundreds of thousands of dollars for cocaine would weigh dozens of panel also, taking up the idea that prison biden will be medicated for the debate. >> congressman ronny jackson, running jackson was the former white house physician who was allegedly so free and easy prescribing drugs without a prescription, he became known as the candy man, which the congressman denies jackson also administered a cognitive test to the former president, which the former president claimed he aced, that we couldn't remember congressmen jackson's last name. he kept calling him johnson the other day joining us now with the new debate prep reporting, new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. so what do you view heard about how trump has taken this as you know, there are ample opportunities for trump to make flubs as much as he tries to point out what biden does trump is taking this more seriously than people allow publicly, right? i mean, in public, his aides often downplay the prep that he does. he's been doing not standard debate prep. he doesn't have standing this as of now for biden in these debates. >> so he's not doing mock debates, not doing mock debates. know that could, that could certainly changed. but he's been doing what they've been describing as policy time, where they bring in different people to brief him a bunch of senators have come on, come in last week. senator marco rubio and senator eric schmitt both briefed him at the rnc headquarters after his meetings with lawmakers around capitol hill, which was his first major meeting with party members since he became the presumptive nominee and they are focusing on various issues that could come up. abortion, health care, energy covid, and then very specifically in this was one thing that came up last thursday what trump will say when asked january 6 related questions, particularly his statements about pardoning some of the people who were arrested in connection with the violence that day. so willie, do we do know willie tried to be vague and not be pin down on whether he'll pardon them all on that one what they are hoping he is going to say. and again, who knows what he'll actually say, but what their homes hoping he has to say is some version of it depends on the case. he has left it much broader in the past and said he'll likely pardon people again across the board. i think that they're going to try to have him point to specifics, including people who were arrested where they were not that close to the building. >> do you know in past did he do mock debates? did he have somebody playing somebody? >> oh, chris christie, i mean, played a version of hillary clinton and he played a version of biden in 2020. and then in 26 to 2016 before that. so yeah, i mean, those those were luck trump doesn't like prep. i mean, he considers its school. so the fact that they've gotten him to do it this way is actually pretty revealing and also speaks to the fact that i think he knows that this has to go well for him. he has said to people multiple times that he knows that he interrupted too much in the first debate with biden in 2020, and having just re-watch that debate recently it's really striking. i mean, we all talked about it at the time, but biden could barely get a word in edgewise and biden was smiling throughout as this was happening. >> maggie, stay with us. i want to bring in from white house foreign biden white house communication structure. kate betting field, also sarah longwell, publisher of the bulwark longtime republican strategists are critical. the former president, what is your reaction to maggie's reporting that trump is apparently doing more of these policies sessions while biden sticking to more traditional debate prep with your old boss, former white house chief of staff, ron klain actually not surprised to hear this from maggie because i think donald trump recognizes that she said that the first debate in 2020, which was essentially a free for all where kind of his his worst characteristics were on display. >> his most chaotic energy was on display. i think he knows and his team knew that wasn't good for him. and i think there's every reason to expect that a more disciplined version, of donald trump makes you up at this debate. mean think about it. the format is actually, i would argue probably to trump's benefit no. audience, the mic it's being cut off. it means he's not going to have the sort of rambling rafah, the rambling rally. donald trump, that we get at as rally isn't it? >> it will potentially be an opportunity for him to it'd be a lot more discipline. >> so i think that it certainly makes sense if you're somebody who's strategizing on behalf of donald trump to try to convince him to show up and be that version of themselves. i think it's reasonable to expect that we'll see that version of it and you think not having an audience play, it helps donald trump i do because i think the thing that will be the most problematic for him is the angry energy, the chaotic energy, the interrupting he feeds off crowds. >> he gets whipped up into a frenzy and i think part of what biden should do in this debate and what i think he wants to do is try to kind of put the worst of donald trump on display. but that chaotic energy on display, and i actually think a more sedate room that will bring trump's energy level down is probably actually a good thing for donald trump sarah, i know you do focus groups, the gop voters, do you think many of those voters will be impacted? >> by this debate or opinions already baked in yeah, we'll look for the base voters opinions are baked in and for a lot of those people, they think that joe biden has dementia, right? >> because that's what they hear all the time from the right-wing media ecosystem. but what biden needs to focus on are these swing voters, these independence? even right-leaning independents and for them, you what i hear in the focus groups, and we talk a lot about double-haters, them being the persuadable group. this election cycle and the good news for joe biden is they don't actually hate joe biden. those voters. they're just they're worried he's too old. and so when he has performances like he had at the state of the union, and if he has a good performance of this debate, he shows up, he shows command to the policy material. he goes on some offense against donald trump around the conviction around january 6. they just want to see that he's still got it that he can do the job. and i think if he clears that bar he can do a lot to take these voters who are pretty unhappy about this choice and move them into his column because while they don't hate joe biden, they do many of them hate donald trump. and so i think the more that these voters see of donald trump the more he comes back into their frame, the more they think. oh yeah, i really don't like that guy and i don't feel comfortable putting him in charge of the country at biden's just got to hold the line, right. keep that anti-trump coalition together that you understand, according to reporting, trump's from working with senator haggerty? he's one of the senators who has been in they've had this rotating cast of characters who have come in to talk about different policy. >> what's interesting about haggerty is that his name has come up in the context of the vice presidential stakes in the last couple of weeks as i mentioned, marco rubio. rubio is one of the people who was with trump last week. he is one of the top tier candidates. i don't think haggerty is, but it just speaks to the degree to which number one, the republican establishment is coalesced around donald trump and trying to help him in this election. and number two, that they see advantage in having direct time with him this way, it is interesting that he's having all these people come and talk policies, policies, obviously not something that's front and center when you think of donald trump or even in his long rambling rallies, he has a series of agenda items that he can point to you from when he was president and that's what they're trying to focus his mind and on two-year point, a lot of what he has talked about over the last two years has been grievances. >> his court cases. i think he has been so singular and was during the manhattan trial. so singularly focused on what was taking place there that they're trying to get his mind back to what he can talk about, about what he did. there are things that i think he can speak to about policy, but there's also a lot lot of stuff that is going to be a problem for him. the january 6 related questions, i think are going to be a problem. the pardons question is going to be a problem. his promises of retribution are going to be a problem when those come up. and i anticipate president biden will reference his criminal conviction. now, i'm quite confident based on my reporting that donald trump will then point to hunter biden's criminal conviction. and this could be an uglier debate than we have seen in a very long time, omega0 referenced the 2020 debate between trump and biden. let's just play some of that vote now going back to make sure you in fact, let people know. he doesn't want to senator question. i'm not going to answer the question because the question is the question of justice the left would you who is on your list? you this is on you right, gentlemen. i think friends pax6 court get benningfield. >> i mean, it wasn't on presidential and it is interesting for maggie is reporting that he has said to people, he thinks that was a mistake or not that moment necessarily, but that he was two negative yeah yeah. >> well, two negative and also just the constant interrupting. i mean, remember the audience that matters here at the television audience and watching that on television was unbearable. it was unbearable to watch him just continue to interrupt, continue to berate the moderator. >> and i think again, like it really, really helped joe biden do do the work biden was trying to do there and really kind of showcase. >> this is not the guy that you want in the oval office is temperament, isn't right he's disrespectful and it was really we saw in the data biden campaign after that debate, it was really a turn-off for swing voters, for moderate voters, for suburban voters. so i think to sarah's point, earlier in this conversation, i think this is joe biden's task for the debate to connect with those people you saw in that clip, there looking directly to camera, i expect that something he'll do a lot of during this debate as well to really connect with those particularly moderate suburban voters who just can't stomach donald trump maggie haberman, keep betting fields or along well, thank you so much for coming up next. vladimir putin and kim jong-un will show you the young, young pump, but fitting red square and the cold war days and the cold war chill their new defense treaty, chondrule there's also take a lot to moscow and we're lives well in the fire lines in new mexico where hundreds of homes and buildings have now burned a second 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where he was greeted with a lot of pompeii and pageantry and signed a mutual defense pact with kim jong-un. and i have a details now from seen as matthew chance in moscow this was carefully choreographed pump and ceremonial a lavish welcome in north korea for the russian president pyongyang thank central square, tens of thousands cheered, waving flags and balloons is their own ruthless autocrat, kim jong stood shoulder to shoulder with the kremlin strong it's been 24 years since putin's last visit here now the national sanctions and have driven him back to the two leaders signing a strategic alliance treaty unwavering. >> they called it heralding a new dangerous phase in cooperation between moscow and pyongyang giotto do not ask them, can you can each level of no. >> this powerful treaty will be very constructive, declared kim jong-un strictly peace-loving and defensive. he said, but it's only see when you go over everything clarified the partnership includes mutual assistance in the event of aggression. that's similar to nieto's article five, raising concerns ukrainian attacks on russia could invoke the clause ready. us officials say russia is using north korean ammunition. >> to sustain its barrage on the ukrainian front lines moscow and pyongyang deny arms transfers, which would be in violation of un sanctions. the kremlin needs all the help it can get to win its conflict in ukraine what north korea may get in return, is also concerned. it's space ballistic missile and nuclear programs used to threaten the us and its allies would benefit from russian technologies kremlin says pyongyang has an even asked for help in the most sensitive areas back in pyongyang, the only tech being transferred so far it seems to be automotive. the kremlin gifting kim, a russian made limo in which putin then drove him around during a brief into but then it was bad. back to the business of state-sponsored flatter and kim stone-faced at times, sats as the captive audience claps too low to patriotic russian and korean songs leaders opposed to the us and its allies are isolated and sanctioned by the west in pyongyang get least neither looks like a pariah and matthew chance joins us now from moscow. >> so prudent has now moved to vietnam. do we know what is hoping to accomplish in that part of the truth? >> yeah. >> i mean, it's going to be a lot less ambitious. i think that those dramatic scenes that we saw in, in pyongyang, the kremlin says that it wants to establish closer cooperation on the nuclear issue nuclear power generation in vietnam. it wants to boost educational exchanges, boost tourism. in other words, a lot more about increasing trade and business ties, lot less about fighting the united states and its allies. anderson had the chance, thanks so much for spectral now from cemetery, former cia in north korea analysts and currently a senior fellow and korea chair at the center for strategic and international studies how significant do you think is this partnership now between russia and north korea? it's significant in this is a big deal. this was, it was leading to this and i think a lot of korea experts were warning about this because north koreans have been supplying russia with weapons, right? they've sent 10,000, over 10,000 containers of munitions and artillery shells and rockets and ballistic missiles and so on to be us and ukraine. and this was very concerning. and if you remember kim jong un winton, russia met with putin last fall in september and two months after they successfully launched a satellite or so, when they fail to do so previously. so then there was also a question of, okay, north korea supplying russia with weapons but what is russia now supplying russia? north korea with so now they meet, and now they have this treaty so this is very big deal in vladimir putin was asked about cooperation on atomic issues. >> he said nobody's asked for, they haven't asked for anything. that is obviously the biggest concern. and 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