accomplished, incredible. it never know that that fear was their hope overcame. thanks so much for joining us ac30 60 begins now tonight on 360, he's been talking plenty about revenge lately now, the former president and takes it one step further amplifying calls for chasing down perceived opponents the first time one of his most prominent targets is responding tonight on 360. >> also tonight breaking news on the judge trump appointed who's now slow walking through his classified documents, case he's new reporting that her own boss, the chief judge, asked her not to take the case and later, life and remarkable career of donald sutherland, who died today at 80 good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with a question, why should the republican candidate for president? and very possibly the next president united states, be concerned even just a little about a former career civil servant. it's unclear why he is, but it should concern all of us that he is the former civil servant is andrew mccabe. back when trump was president mckay was deputy director of the fbi, is now a cnn senior law enforcement analyst. the k or in trump's ire for his role in the fbi's russia investigation. he was later fired as deputy director on then president trump's public urging just our short of qualifying for his pension, which he had to sue get up restored. then he was investigated by the justice department, but never charged raising questions at the time about whether a grand jury had taken the rare step of refusing to bring indictments because such proceedings are secret. we may never know. >> but now with the former president, his supporters are openly calling for revenge and retribution against perceived enemies. >> mccabe b is being targeted again, he's not he's not the only one we should point out. the former president has spoken of revenge frequently well, revenge does take time. >> i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified if i have to be, i know sometimes it can trump's advisers and supporters are talking about purging career civil servants if he's elected, especially the justice department in which he's threatening to turn into an instrument of revenge. and now trump has also been posting on social media linking to a story about his former strategist, steve bannon is reacting to the concern all this revenge talk is causing. specifically to intermix hey, talking to the sources kaitlan collins about it i have a lot of conversations with former colleagues, people who are or were in the intelligence and law enforcement community, and may have worked in the obama administration, other places and if people are really trying to assess what is life going to be like if donald trump wins a second term and on a very personal level, i mean, these are tortures, discussions with their family members about whether or not they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally and illegally detain. >> people were actually worried get about being thrown in jail or grabbed in some sort of extra judicial detention. i think it's crazy as this sounds in the united states, america, i think people should really consider that these are possibilities so that's what mccabe told kaitlan collins a short time ago, bannon then responded saying this mccabe, you should be worried. >> you should be very worried. >> but also understanding this brother, we have extradition treaties with virtually every country in the world. >> and you go ahead and run and run as far as you want. we're going to come and get you. >> so that's a former and perhaps soon to be again, senior adviser to trump, who is saying much the same despite the best efforts of dr. phil and sean hannity to stop him. and again, they're taking aim with this at perceived political enemies, but also at the day-to-day in day in and day out career professionals of federal for law enforcement november 5 is judgment day. >> january 20, 2025 is accountability de gonna get every single receipt? >> and to the fullest extension of the law, you are going to be investigated prosecuted, and incarcerated. >> blade and gentlemen, it's very simple. victory or death an inner mccabe joins us now. so when you hear steve bannon saying these things and the president and former president amplifying comments that you should be worried what, what goes through your mind later, son, pardon me, is not surprised at all these are things he's been saying forever. we know that donald trump and his friend are these are people who are obsessed with personal grievance and settling scores their entire way of thinking about leading and administering this country is in the context of having been wronged and trying to engender port among their supporters by throwing this kind of red meat out to people who are who respond to the sort of language. so we shouldn't be surprised by it. all. they're both paranoid old men, one of whom is on his way to jail and the other one, we'll see that might happen for him as well so that part doesn't surprise hi, it's me. what's really to me shocking and disgusting about the rhetoric is what it says about who we are becoming as a nation. and the fact that a person who is quite possibly the next president of the united states is engaging in this level of absolutely fundamentally anti-democratic rhetoric and behavior and ideation everything he says is stands in direct contrast to the nation that we think we are, the nation that we have always been. but i think people have got to start asking themselves, is this the direction that we want to go? is this the country that we're becoming a place where an incoming president takes the levers of power and uses them for his own gratification to pursue enemies, right? >> i mean, if so, if trump is reelected and steve bannon is in his orbit, are still doing is a little podcast and they choose to, the federal government, the white house chooses to go after you they could make your life really awful. i mean, you would have to hire attorneys, you would have to at great expense. i mean, i can all about that. >> yeah. i know it well, right. this is they've been doing this to me, donald trump's been doing this for years a two-year baseless criminal investigation that they ended only because it went nowhere in a federal judge essentially forced them to issue a declination a invasive irs audit. the only other person i know who's ever been subjected to the same one as jim comey? not coincidentally. i'm sure the durham investigation, right? same same basic idea. william bar and john durham announced that we were all criminals and then spent years traveling around the globe trying to find proof of that, which of course they couldn't. and it came to essentially nothing so i know what to expect. it's not about me. i'll be fine. it's about people who will be experiencing this for the first time and more importantly, their families. >> i talked to former officials and everyone is in the same place like we are still committed to this country and seeing this through, we still have faith in the systems that are that are built to protect the rights of every american but that's a hard thing to explain to your family when their thinking basically they don't want to have to live in this kind of fear and terror for another four years. it also, what kind of chilling effect does it have on others who are still in law enforcement or others who are still in the fbi about choices they make are decisions they make now yeah. >> how do you think those agents felt who had the bad luck or misfortune to be assigned to the mar-a-lago raid. the marla excuse me, search warrant, not a raid what's happened to them? they've been vilified now falsely accused by the former president of having been out to somehow assassinate him or taken out, all of which is insanely ridiculous and not true there are other indicators that people within government our stepping back from aspects of this work that they think might engender the same sort of scrutiny in the aftermath of the investigation of possible coordination between the trump campaign in 2016 and the russian government. the massive investigation that we mounted to get to the bottom of that the pfizer coverage that we had on carter page, which was exposed to have been contained numerous mistakes. that's all unforgivable. and those wrongs need to be fixed. >> but in the wake of the non-stop attacks that donald trump has levied on the fbi for things like that is it a coincidence that the fbi's use of pfizer and domestic pfizer coverage is down about 75% from those years are the threats facing this nation down 75%, i think not. and when steve bannon talks about the long arm of american justice using it to to pursue you, even if you leave the country. i mean, have you thought about leaving the country? >> i know what american justice is. i spent 21 years as a law enforcement officer in this country. steve bannon has no idea what he's talking about about that are probably anything else? people who haven't committed crimes in this country have nothing to worry about just me i mean, just people who have dedicated their lives to public service and civil service i mean, it is the backbone of our democracy. >> it is, it is, it is essential for the functioning of this country at agencies all over and it's extraordinary that somebody who running for president already saying like this guy, i'm gonna, we're gonna go after this person that's right. >> that's right. those protections, those safeguards. that's what this country was built around to protect everyone from that's what this country was built around to protect everyone from the person in charge that's how we that's why we split off from the brits so many years ago. that's what we're all about everyone is treated the same under the law. everybody enjoys the same protection. so to have the person who aspires to the highest seat, the highest role is job in the land. to start picking out people like me or anyone else in targeting them for revenge, unleashing the rage of their supporters. in however, that's played out it's, it's outrageous. and it's just heartbreaking that that's where we are as a nation. >> what does it mean for national security if skilled members of law enforcement intelligence officials basically leave the leave public service because of these concerns. >> it's never been more important than right now that law enforcement and intelligence agencies in this country are able to attract the brightest, smartest, most dedicated people that threats are more complicated did they never are challenges with cyber everything, right? this is hiring is probably the number one priority in every agency and the idea that their own potential boss would have such an effect on that community as to drive people out in droves because they are unwilling to subject themselves to this sort of treatment. i mean, it's just absolutely contrary to where we need to be as a nation is contrary to the mission of protecting this country and the people in it do you so what, is the next step i mean how do you prepare for something like this i'm living my life right? >> i i have the extraordinary opportunity to speak here to people like you to draw attention to these issues. i will continue to do that i'm sure people who are similarly situated to me we'll do the same. i think it's important to keep drawing attention to these things so we see them for what they are and ultimately people of course, we'll make their own decisions at the end of the election, but this is my country, this is our country. i have there's nothing that donald trump or steve bannon can possibly do dissuade me from that endrew gave you very much. thanks coming up next, we're breaking news on judge aileen cannon and the request that to federal fellow judges reportedly made that she not take the class classified documents case. a later scene in investigates how private religious schools, even those that teach being gay is a sin, are getting taxpayer funding more than that anderson cooper 360 brought to you by the bike riders starring jodie comer, austin butler, and tom hardy outsiders become legends the bike riders rated are in theaters tomorrow. like writers we were outcasts but now we belong to, recover for some nature. austin polar isn't secion. and tom hardy is a cold loss of earn it down like writers were your daughter cmpd, isn't pretty out of breath and often thought of the picture but this is my story. and, with once-daily trilogy, it can still be beautiful because with three medicines and one inhaler trilogy keeps my airways it's open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups. trilogy, you also improves lung function. so i can breathe more freely all day and night trilogy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it, do not take trilogy more than prescribed trilogy may increase your risk of thrush pneumonia now still prozess, call your doctor force in breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling problems, urinating, vision changes, or i paint occur ask your doctor about once-daily trilogy for copd because breathing should be beautiful all day and night when the saw dust settles and the engine finally roars the thing you care about most is a job well done but when you get your tools from harbor freight something about the job feels a little different. >> your wallet because we believe no matter what you're working on you need high-quality tools at a great price. >> and that's what we're all about every you do do it for less at harbor freight did i read this did i get my keys memory and thinking issues keep piling up. >> it may be due to a buildup of amyloid plaques in the brain. visit more than normal aging.com bad debt holding bac k all your ambitions, all in one low fixed rates, borrow up to 100 k, no fees required. >> so phi get your money, right whole world was about to burn. >> your team. they are decent people we don't belong with decent this is your last shot at homelander and we wittamin a this was a secret, war, secrets and spies sunday at ten on cnn, breaking news tonight ahead of a hearing tomorrow in the classified documents case, judge aileen cannon will hear defense motion to dismiss the classified documents charges against the former president. >> now the thrust of bid is that special counsel jack smith was improperly appointed and funded. it's legally dubious argument which courts have rejected. but as we've been reporting and as our legal experts have been saying throughout the case, judge, cannon's is making habit of taking up what other judges might dismissed out of hand which brings us to this new reporting, the new york times that the judge was asked by two colleagues not to take the case. the reporter citing two people briefed on the matter, right. the judges who approached judge cannon, including the chief judge in the southern district of florida, cecilia ml to naga each asked her to consider whether it would be better if she were to decline the high-profile case? this allowing it to go to another judge. the two people said she refused. cnn asked the chief judge, named in the article to comment. she declined ever. we do have a former chief judge with us tonight. judge john e. jones, the third who headed up the federal middle district in pennsylvania along with us bestselling author and former federal prosecutor to free thuban judge jones. what does it say to you that the cannons colleagues suggested she step aside and what does it say to you that she declined well, i think anderson i'm sad to say that she's out of her judicial depth, and i thank her colleagues know that they saw that she made a hash out of the matter that she took up before this case. >> where trump filed suit and she took a whack from the 11th circuit, and i think they were trying to protect her and saying gently to her maybe it would be better to get some more experience your belt before you take this case, it's remarkable. it typically doesn't happen. that often and that it got out is incredible as well. but there are a number of different examples tomorrow being one that should have been decided on the briefs, and that she is having a hearing on something that really should be easily decided. look of the 11th circuit and the supreme court wants to make new law with respect to the special counsel. let them do that, but she shouldn't be making this into such a show tomorrow. it's just, it's just not good, judge. him jeff. >> i mean, not the two main theories are that she's either inexperienced in overhead or somehow in the tank for trump were, or where, where does this fit into that? >> well, i mean, it's it shows that her fellow judges we knew this was coming because at least on the issue of inexperience trying these big complicated cases just as a purely technical matter, is difficult. and it takes a certain amount of judicial experience and savvy to be able to do it. and it often is the case that judges talk to each other and men as judge joan says, it's very rare that any of this stuff comes out publicly. >> but they do say, do you really think this is best for you, best for the judicial system, for whatever reason, judge cannon kept the case and that's certainly suggests partisanship may be part of it. >> but this pretrial proceeding has been a disaster. >> i mean, the competence and the way hey, this has been conducted is an embarrassment to the judicial system, not, not because jack smith is losing which he is just the way it is unfolded and her colleagues for senior colleagues, tried to save her in the country from this but she didn't go for it. it judge. i mean, given the rebuke, the judge cannon receive from the 11th circuit court of appeals for actually handle matters pertaining to mar-a-lago search before trump was even indicted, would there have been any other recourse or mechanism for forcing her off the trial? >> not really. i think though she's walking into it now because if she decides to knock jack smith out of the box, and as i said, make new law it'll go right to the 11th circuit because it disposes of the case and i think that dell and cedar that point and then there's some additional matters that she's gonna here next week on the gag order anderson, as jeff knows, there are us magistrate judges who are appointed by courts and they're there to do a lot of grunt work and to ease the burden on the district judges she's got one right in the building. judge reinhardt, who signed off on the warrant for mar-a-lago, he should be handling a lot of these motions she should have set a trial date and given him a deadline to get rid of them. it is it is astonishing to me that she has an offloaded some of this stuff and that she's arrogated to herself, the responsibility to hear it. that's a tool of the trade, so to speak, and that she's not availing yourself of that is very, very telling. you have to have a trial date. you have to have a firm date for trial nothing focuses attorneys minds like a date certain for trial and that she has this case in drift the way she does, frankly, is judicial malpractice. >> it let me just give an example. i hope this isn't too inside baseball, but one of the there are all these issues relating to classified information relating to jack smith that need to be decided. one of the things she did first was was here emotions about what jury instructions should be as the judge knows, jury instructions are something a judge deals with last right before a trial in it just shows that she just doesn't know the structure of how federal criminal trials work, which is not surprising since she was appointed in her late 30s, she had almost no experience as an actual trial lawyer. she's only i believe had four trials as a judge. she just doesn't know what