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cnn and streaming on max closed captioning is brought to you by you, cora, help maintain a healthy urinary tract with you, cora, at ice for ten years. you cora, we make uti relief products they also make proactive urinary tract health product. you, korea is a life's they tried today at your core.com no trial date inside, but more hearings and further delays in the classified documents case against former president donald trump the judge in charge to the former president appointed himself is now hearing trump's longshot argument for why special counsel jack smith shouldn't be prosecuted shooting him in the first place we have an update on that, plus turley, his conviction into cash, donald trump erasing joe biden's edge and fundraising. boon both candidates heading into summer with millions of dollars to spend and a big opportunity to sway voters to six days from today as they go head to head at the cnn debate and at the supreme court decision that actually restricts gun rights as one justice suggests, the court made a mistake in a landmark gun case two years ago, were falling when these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central happening right now, former president trump's longshot bid to get charges in his classified documents case please? >> dismissed. is playing out in federal court today. >> trump attorneys and outside conservative groups are trying to quash the special counsel's work by arguing that jack smith was unlawfully appointed. one of their main claims being that smith wasn't confirmed by the us senate this as new york report, new york times reporting indicates that two federal judges, peers of trump-appointed judge, aileen cannon personally advised her to step down from the case last year. she obviously declined. let's get the e latest now from cnn senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz caitlyn, we could see up to three days of arguments from the defense team trying to get jack smith removed. this is highly unusual, right? >> well, we will see three days of arguments and it is unusual how much time judge cannon is devoting, not just how much time she's devoting to these challenges of jack smith and his it's appointment, his funding as the special counsel's office within the justice department, but also how many people she wants to hear from. you never see that in a criminal case at the trial level before a judge like this. but here, judge cannon is going to this afternoon hear from law professors. people have nothing to do with this case, arguing for and against the special counsel. and the other thing that is really interesting about this, and the way judge cannon is handling it is cheap pushing things off in this case, she's having hearings like these. she's hearing some other very important parts of this case. two, on monday and tuesday as these hearing stretch out over the next couple of days, request from prosecutors about it a gag order on trump. another attempt from donald trump's team to toss out evidence and testimony in the case. but even in some of this, it's just not the thing that you're seeing. and this morning and we're going to hear this multiple times over the next couple of days. trump's team keeps asking for more hearings. she can't resolve this yet. they want more they want an evidentiary hearing about jack smith and his relationship with attorney general merrick garland. and so there before her are making their legal arguments, but they also keep asking do more bring us more to fort pierce, florida, have a sin court more and more and more every time that happens for us on their delay delay. >> another time you can put the trial date on the schedule that has been the playbook for the trump team, not only in this case, but across the legal issues that he's facing. yes. caitlin plants. thanks so much for the update. let's discuss further now with former federal judge john e. jones, the third judge. thank you so much for being with us. >> are you surprised that judge cannon gave this much time for arguments on whether the special counsel appointment is invalid. well, bores it's good to be with you again. and yes, i am a couple of things come to mind one is that the supreme court of the united states doesn't give anybody three days to argue anything and typically, you've got to wrap it up when they're very brief portion of time and i would rather cliff dive than here three days of arguments on anything let alone something of this import in two words, this is absurd and it's unnecessary you know, it's one thing to let these outside parties intervene, meaning that they can file briefs you can just decided on the briefs. this is holi unnecessary. and moreover, every court that has dealt with an allegation that the special counsel is unconstitutional, illegal. what have you has come down on this side of saying that those arguments are on availing. there's a great opinion by the the dc circuit, right on point. i don't know why she's doing this and this is just running the clock even further. >> at least cliff diving takes luck us time, right? i did want to ask you a about something you mentioned that those outside groups it's really rare to see this sort of thing, especially in a criminal trial. >> what do you think is the basis for that decision? i think that this is unfortunately an inexperienced judge, but a judge who is not even trying to talk to her colleagues who will i think would dissuade her from turning it into this kind of a circus and i just don't know boris, i think she's judging. i would say defensively. she appears to me bias or not, and i can't speak to that. only she knows whether there's an actual bias and i'm not going to make that allegation. but but at this point, what she's doing is judging in a way that she's trying to avoid a mistake. it seems to me and she's overdoing it when you're the trial judge, you've gotta be bold you've got to be a person who can make a determination and call it as you see it according to the law, she's temporizing and that's just not a good look. >> i want to explore what you just said about her trying to avoid a mistake in this sort of unprecedented case against the former president, wouldn't you want a judge that is deliberate, that is meticulous, that goes over every detail well, you can be deliberate and you can go over every detail and that's what you're supposed to do as a jurist. and not take forever to do it. >> remember she's got a chamber is full of really bright law clerks who can help her at every step of the way you have to be decisive borse. i mean, that's what you get paid to do as a judge time does not mean that a particular judge is doing all the things that are necessary to be then exemplary jurist. >> and in this case, she seems to be getting lost and minutiae and things that you can wrap up. there are a lot of motions that are out in this case, what i would do is i would hand them to, us magistrate judges who are there actually to help judges move the freight, so to speak? and she hasn't sent one of them to a magistrate judge, which is really horn book judging in the sort of trade of federal judges. and i don't understand why and how xi's handling the case, the way that she is and i hate to say that sort of backseat, judge, but it's absolutely apparent to me that she's got this thing screwed up on the question of her relationship and the way that she's relating to other judges. there's this reporting in the new york times that these judges with more experienced than she has approached her and essentially counseled her to let this one slide. this is obviously a complex case. they argued that she it might be better off just handing this off to someone else. >> you have given me an idea of where you stand on that idea, but i am curious about what you think regarding this story popping up in the press. >> the fact that this is out there now, what do you think that means? what does it imply to you? >> well, i don't know why it leaked and how it leaked and it's unfortunate because it sort of invades the province of inner judge communications. >> and that's unfortunate, but that having been said, my theory, boris, is that her colleagues or other costs hello egg saw that she really crashed and burned and the prior case that she had involved in former president trump, where he brought the lawsuit to challenge the search and so forth. and she appointed a master. and i think they have ascertained that at this point in her career, she's out of our depth. and i think they probably went to her sort of gently and said, look maybe this isn't the case for you at this point in your judicial career that's unprecedented by the way, i've never seen that happen. i spent almost 20 years in the bench and i never ever saw that happened once i saw judges who received cases ask for advice from other judges as to whether or not they might have a conflict or should stay in a particular case, but never did i see colleagues approach another and suggest that she auto relinquish the case. so i i can't know how that was received exactly. other than the proof is that she's staying with the case at this point. and unfortunately, those two colleagues were probably right judges john e. jones, the third, we very much appreciate your sharing your analysis with us. thanks for joining us good to be with you. >> bores. thanks. >> thanks, briana. >> now, core battle playing out as former president trump is suddenly out raising president biden on the campaign trail for the second month in a row, trump campaign donations having topped biden's, trump, hauled in a staggering 141 million in may. that's according to his campaign. and much of it came right after his criminal conviction in the hush money trial trial biden and the democratic party falling well short of that, even though they reportedly raised quite a bit more than $85 million last month, we're also learning new details those about how the candidates are preparing for their looming debate and some very important logistical details about that first presidential debate as well, which will be next thursday, right here on cnn i'm joined now by cnn's alayna treene and kayla tausche alaimo. first this big joe biden's and his political operations. cash advantage, which is a huge deal. we know that really the biden campaign and you can speak to this. kayla has been able to outspend donald trump fundraising on battleground strategy, but now the trump team really does have the ability to further close the gap. so you mentioned this, but donald trump's campaign says they raise $141 million in may. the binding camp only raised 85 million. i shouldn't say only that's a huge number, but compared to 141 million, they raised a lot more and look, much of that money, particularly in the later days of may came from, i mean, tens of millions came in the aftermath of his guilty verdict his manhattan trial. now what i also found interesting, just digging into some of these reports is that one of donald trump's leading super pac maga, inc, that supports the former president. they raised $65 million there's last month they also attributed a lot of that to the guilty verdict, but the majority of that money, 60 million, i believe was from three wealthy donors at 50 million was raised by this man with the mellon he previously had given to rfk junior, but instead of switched loyalty. so all to say what donald trump has been doing over the last several weeks and throughout his trial was fundraising, very much focusing on having these it's closed-door fundraisers where he's courting these wealthy billionaires and clearly it seeming to pay off, does it change the biden campaign strategy at all? >> well, it might mean that some of these ad buys need to be smaller. the one across the battlegrounds that they just launched was 50 million. mean they still have a significant amount of cash on hand, 212 million at the end of may and they did raise $30 at a fundraiser that was co helmed by former president barack obama in los angeles over the weekend that will count toward june numbers. so that's not the main hall that we were just talking about. but i do think that it's important to note this shift in momentum because this really started when donald trump's criminal trial trial began. it was april that was the first month that the trump campaign and his associated entities began out raising biden that went up even further in may and it could go up even further in june, elaina was talking about that dinner that trump held with some financier's the night of his conviction. i'm told by an attendee that it raised $40 million flares. there are only two dozen people there. and so trump really has this ability to mobilize not only high dollar donors, but as a very small number of them to give very large amounts. whereas president biden his campaign strategy has been to hold these very large format ticketed events where they raise less per attendee and it costs more to put them on. so it's a decidedly different strategy but the biden campaign would argue that $212 million is more than enough for what they need to do now, especially considering that this election is going to be decided by just a few hundred thousand voters across a few states do risk over saturating them if you have too many ads on the airways, too much male stuffed in their mailbox certainly, there there are a lot of strategies to reach those voters. but i think that there is a hope that the debate will help shape some of the thinking of donors going forward. >> we'll see if enough is enough or if maybe more as war, right? we'll see what happens here. okay. i mentioned logistical details and prep details for the debate cal kayla and i know that we have some new report worrying on biden, who is helping him prepare, but also this thing about what happens with the microphone when you're not supposed to be talking. and i wonder what biden thinks about that. >> well, first, on the people who are helping him prepare, i mean, he is a creature of habit. he has a close-knit group of advisors that's really been around him for number of decades. and he believes that they've served him well. they helped him win in 2020 and he's gonna go back to the well and on that front, bob bauer, who i know has been on cnn several times in the last few days promoting his book is expected to be repressing the role of donald trump in the mock debates that they're holding at camp david, i just saw him in the hall. he would not engage on whether he is actually doing that, how he is preparing when he's going to camp david, but we know from our sources that that is the expectation of the biden camp that they will lean on him once again to play that role as for the microphone's, i think there's generally an agreement that the first debate between trump and biden in the 2020 cycle was quite chaotic. it was quite disorganized. it evolved into a shouting match. it didn't serve the voters. and so i think there is a little bit of a collective exhale that there'll be an opportunity for each candidate to speak and the biden camp certainly believes that having the mics muted, especially for trump, who is prone to speaking over the other people on the stage, will serve them well in particular, all right. >> you guys think thank you so much. obviously, we're looking forward to this debate and be sure to join cnn for it as president biden and former president trump will be meeting for the first time in this cycle on stage. jake tapper and dana bash moderating the cnn presidential debate next thursday live from atlanta, beginning at 9:00 p.m. eastern. and still had the supreme court is upholding a federal ban a federal law that bans domestic abusers from owning a firearm. this major second amendment ruling was nearly unanimous and we're going to speak with a domestic abuse and shooting survivor who gave testimony for the brief filed in the case the most anticipated moment of this is lecture and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two, very different visions for america's future that cnn presidential debate thursday oh live from cnn and streaming on max start your day with nature me. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin supplement brand from pep in their step to shine in their coats. and people switch their dogs foods, the farmers dog, the effects can seem like magic. >> but there's no magic it's just smarter, healthier pet food. >> it's amazing what real food can do. >> we handcraft every stearns and foster using the finest materials like it? 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