i'm just happy to be here. my good black job. we'll get into that in a bit from the debate, but think about this that for czar riff on black jobs and hispanic jobs 20 years ago, really might have been the consequential moment of the debate it wasn't this week. and we did expect former president trump to lie. that's what he does at every debated rally and interview by cnn's count, he said more than 30 things that are not true during that debate. president biden, nine false claims in lives. and even after facing a twice-impeached former president convicted felon, its president biden, who's having to make clear that he will stay in the race. our colleagues govern the white house and campaign report advisers have been calling democratic members of congress, donors, other key supporters to reassure them, post the bake, their message essentially, do not panic. the president can still do the job. there is still a long way to go until the election. the president biden's certainly has to convince the big donors at fundraisers in new york and new jersey today and that might help here is stronger, more coherent in north carolina on friday diseases i used to, i don't speak as smoothly as i used i don't debate is going well. >> i do know i know how to tell the truth i don't know how to do this job get things done i know like because no when you get knocked down, you get back still there are some democrats and pundits like the new york times editorial board. they say it is time to look for a different candidate to top the ticket. here's how vice president kamala harris pushed back on that yes. there was a slow start, but it was a strong finish. and what became very clear through the course of the night is that joe biden is fighting on behalf of the american people on substance, on policy, on performance joe biden is extraordinarily strong, and that cannot be debated one of the president's top supporters, congressman jim clyburn of south carolina, put it this way. >> watch what do you say to the democrats who are saying biden should quit after that, stay the course chill out sheila chill out he says trump. meanwhile, taking a victory lap. he said at a campaign rally in virginia yesterday that in competence, not age, is biden's real issue here with me in the studio, georgia state senator nabila islam parks, a democrat, and kelvin king who ran in the 2022 us senate. republican primary here in georgia he's now chairman of the, let's win for america action pack. welcome to you both cetera. let me start with you. democrats are very clear about the threat that they say former president trump presents on reproductive rights on the economy, on democracy if it is as the challenge is as enormous as it is, is president biden. the strongest candidate for democrats look, i'll say this, that debate performance was not what we wanted that's not what democrats wanted. >> but i will say that that debate performance should not define whether or not he's going to be able to win this election. i think that joe biden still has an opportunity to win this election in defeat donald trump, like he did four years ago. i mean, when we look at debates, president obama brought up the fact that he didn't have a strong debate against mitt romney six weeks before his election, and people thought he was going to lose john fetterman. he didn't have a great debate against us and people thought he was going to lose. so i still feel like joe biden right now is the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump in november. >> he believes he is. he says he's not getting it again to get getting out. he is going to win this election. he says, let me ask you for republicans. do they want another person at the top of the democratic ticket? what do you all right now, i think the republican party are looking at this, this debate clearly, that is the democratic party. they're really right now, the damage has already been done and this candidate joe biden, is a flaw candidate in terms of running to be our next president, of united states. so they're the democratic party right now has to go back and figure out can this candidate kari, the democratic flag through to finish line. and i think a lot of democrats, a lot of high level democrats are thinking no right now, and they're trying to figure out what are their options and the options look bleak. so of course you're going to hear clay barme talk claiborne talk about now, stay the course. so chill out because they don't know what to do at this point. and republicans we should follow clairvoyance advice. let's stay the course. let's stay, let's stay on point on message. president trump in that debate. later on, he was a little lost, a little composure, but he started out that debate unlike typical debates from president trump, he was composed and he allowed biden to flounder and that should be our strategy going forward. you know, it was interesting because there was an expectation there will be an attempt by former president trump to interrupt and to jump in and we did not see that from him early on for the first hour or so of the debate but he did make a lot of statements that were not true. i'm gonna come back to those on the fact check. there. but the biden administration, the biden campaign, i should say, asked for this debate. they wanted it in june, and i'm wondering if if that's a good or a bad thing, because if this had happened in september, there might not have been any way to recover if it happened that late. what do you think that was? it strategic decision that works in the benefit of the campaign to have this if it had to happen in june and not in the fall okay. >> i think it's great that our president is engaging with the public with that being said, the election is in november. and so this is our first election in the month of june. were five months away. there's going to be another debate in september right before people start early voting. i think that president biden has many opportunities to engage with folks, as we saw, that north carolina rally, he was on fire. he was very there was humility and what he said, who is like, look, i'm not a great of a debater that i used to be. but he told the truth on election night i mean, at the presidential debate, whereas donald trump lied for two hours, being a liar does not make you a winner of a debate let's play, what are those? >> this is the former president talking about democrats policies on abortion okay. we don't have that soundbite. let me ask you. the former president does not will not commit to accepting the results of the election you live and work here in georgia. you know what that meant here, you know what it meant for ruby freeman and shaye moss. what's your reaction to the president's still not only telling the 2020 life, but setting up for potentially a 2024 lie. i think he's walking a tight rope when it comes to that particular topic because right now the republican party the far right side, they have coalesce around president trump, but that's not enough to win, right? so president trump has to get the disenchanted republican parties. some people call him the nikki haley, republicans back on track, back on our side. he also has to pull the middle right week dams, independence, swing voters. so rehashing the 2020 election is not going to win that middle. those voters that i just described. so we're going to have to move past that. now. comments that you're not sure if you can move pass, or the outcome of the legs i don't know about that i don't think it's smart to talk about challenging the outcome of elections at this point i think that it's in georgia, it's a very sensitive topic. and our governor has done a good job of putting policies in place to make sure that anybody who wants to vote can vote. and our last election without a, hitch so putting that out and atmosphere, it's probably not the most ideal strategy. yeah, but i understand the tight rope that president trump is having to walk to maintain the base and to pull in new republican voters. let me stay with you and republicans are now making a pitch to arab american voters in michigan after so many are just disenchanted with the biden administration's handling of israel's war with hamas. do we have that soundbite? we can play former president trump. here's what he said. the former president about president biden's policies as it relates to israel charge israel and hamas israel is the one that wants good. he said, the only one who wants to keep going and so much, actually israel is the one. and you should let him go and let them finish the job. he doesn't want to do it. he's become like a palestinian, but they don't like him because he's a very bad palestinian. he's a weak one how does using palestinian as an epithet, as as a mark of shame in a debate? >> ingratiate yourself to a community of trying to win i can't imagine that gets him any closer to winning any of those votes, right? oh, green, president trump is known as someone that's a little bit looser with his tongue, make you may make flip it remarks from time to time and that is southern that voters are going to have to evaluate there's some voters that can't get over that and i understand that and that's why i use the analogy that president trump's challenge is to maintain enough support or voters that's going to show up on election day and pull the lever for the republican party. that's his challenge. and ensuring that the messaging is clear. ensuring that no community feels like they're being discriminated upon, a talk negatively about like blackjack or we we can talk a little bit about black jobs. yeah what we do know is that results our true are proven with president trump. sometimes their rhetoric may not feel all that great, but the results are pretty solid. so when, when, when he does say things like black jobs and hispanic jobs it's not a well thought through comment and i can say it's a flippant remark or lusete, the lips but the truth is black, unemployment was at the lowest level under president trump's administration. black unemployment was at the lowest level under the biden administration at 4.8% in 2023? yeah. yeah it's what he 23 vitamins. they continues to be strong. but you can't disagree that it started under the trump administration with the tax cuts and jobs act. and some of the regulation that he pulled back, but it just simply is simply is not are back. i can i can i can hear you say that it was at the lowest under the trump administration wasn't it was it was the lowest. it's ever been is during the biden administration at 4.8% in 2023 i stayed for you, the president went after his former president trump's weight, height, golf swing has the democratic mantra of when they go low, we go high, died is that era over for democrats? >> i did want to just respond real quick. what you talked about words matter. and donald trump, it says a lot of flipping comments and using the calling president biden palestinian as a slur is not going to win over arab american voters with that being said, this is one issue that i do disagree on and how the biden administration has handled the conflict in palestine, in israel, we need to do more. we need to ask for a permanent ceasefire as we have, but also hold netanyahu accountable for blocking it. we need substantial resources invested in rehabilitating and in reconstruction of gaza and humanitarian aid with that being said, donald trump is now going around kong palestinians as a slur i mean, that he's not going to work with most arab and muslim communities when it comes to gaza, the issue in gaza and the west bank and so back to your question about you know, politics is a contact sport okay? and so is this a zero-sum game? and we cannot afford to have four more years of donald trump presidency. we all remember it was chaotic. and that's why i'm supporting joe biden because he's delivered for our families and i want to see more products congrats on his part when it comes to the issues that matter to my diverse constituents in my senate district, which is a swing district. and those are the voters that will make up the margin of winning georgia in 2024. >> senator kelvin, thank you both all right. the performance of president biden and former president trump has third-party candidates may be seeing an opening, but is there a viable third option to avoid a 2020 redo the former governor of puerto rico, who had to work with former president trump after hurricane maria joins us to talk about that next, his answer is yes, plus voter here in georgia, who backed biden in 2020 was unsure about him before the debate. well, did thursday night disqualify the president from earning his vote? 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that presents a unique market opportunity, that presents a space to innovate. and while others have tried to do so i think what we're seeing right now crystallizes that need for another alternative for something that is very different. and i think it's a positioning statement in a leadership matter first, positioning, the middle shouldn't just be this sort of trapped center. it should be what opposes the extremes. it should be an open space where discussion can happen, where compromise that has become a dirty word recently can happen where people can actually from different ideas, sit down and the bait them right now, that's not what, what's happening. and i believe that what we're seeing in the debate and in the whole political spectrum calls for that need. and what we need is that sort of framework. and then of course, the leaders chip that will rally for, would you say a leader to rally for it? there are some people who are single issue voters, right? on life or reproductive rights, on guns potentially as well on support for israel. if we talk about the issues of the moment how do you find one person who can guess it, feel that overlap, overlap in the venn diagram, but still be on one side or the other of those issues? 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