with harold ford jr., jesse watters, shannon bream, and greg gutfeld. hi, greg. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ in the media is horrific migrant crimes like the illegal immigrant monster who raped a new york city 13-year-old in central park. just one of the millions of unvented biden newcomers. today the suspected child rapist showed his sorry face in court and tried to blame his drawing problem as the reason why he held a 13-year-old girl and boy at knife point with a machete style blade. and "the new york post" has just reported that he made a chilling confession. he told cops that he recorded the sickening attack. anyone with a heart beat would be disgusted. and it's no wonder why a majority of americans, including hispanics, fact trump's deportation policy. a propagandist like msnbc's joy reid think that it is just due to the fearmongering. >> here is the three cable networks reporting of the spirit our banner said, soon, biden announces legal protections. cnn said biden announces new protection for some undocumented spouses. here was fox's banner: migrant arrested for raping 13-year-old. that's the problem, fearmongering. >> judge jeanine: and his if that wasn't disgraceful enough, joe biden's dhs secretary on the couldn't be bothered to remember the name of rachel moran, the maryland mother of five, who was raped and murdered by yet another illegal immigrant. >> what do you say to critics who blame the administration for allowing something like this to happen? obviously this is something that you hear in right-wing media all the time. vico jim, first and foremost, of course our hearts break for the children, the family, the loved ones, the friends of the individual who was murdered, the woman, the mother. jim, a criminal is responsible for the criminal act. >> judge jeanine: you know, jesse, i'll start with you. i'm going to spin right off that. mayorkas couldn't admit the name of the victim in this case. the woman, the mother. rachel moran. and he won't name her, but the crazy part of this is it's his administration, the dhs, that is supposed to be doing the vetting and the man charged with the murder not only is charged with murder in venezuela, but also was arrested because he was in the process of raping, molesting a 9-year-old girl. >> jesse: i agree with him, the criminal who did the rape is responsible, but he is the secretary of homeland security, who was so irresponsible, it created the opportunity for the rape. that's like my gait being broken at my house and i tell my gait guy, can you fix my gait? it's broken. he doesn't fix it, and someone just waltzes in, steals my car. the guy that steals the car should be charged, but the gate guy is responsible, as well. he is in charge of security, and he's not doing his job. now, i have covered child rape on this network for 20 years, judge. and judges give soft sentences to sex offenders, when someone gets out and commits another crime and they are let out again to do it again, we cover these stories because there is a public interest. if you are saying this isn't important, then you are not an american, because you want to cover injustice. and you also want to protect innocent children. so it's not irresponsible or fearmongering to show the dangerous results of a politician's public policy, so the voters can make an informed decision in november about how they choose to vote. that's what we do here in this country. many laws are named after victims. you have jessica's law. you have megan's law. and they are there in order to honor the victims so these things never happen again. if this is just such a trivial story, why did joe biden name laken riley, called her a link did he say that? it is because these stories are important and need to be cov covered. even the audience over at msnbc must be thinking oh, my god. >> judge jeanine: you know, have a couple thoughts, shannon, about when someone who is molesting a 13-year-old is videotaping, i do this for 30 years, prosecuted them, they are taking the memorabilia, all pedophiles do that, they take pictures and photos. the idea that we are fearmongering by reporting this kind of stuff. are we supposed to just forget about it? as opposed to sending a message to the public that we are going to prosecute you? we are going to get you? you are going to jail. that is part of the deterrence prosecutors use all the time kids before i can't imagine your thoughts, we would get a censored right off for the cable network if we got how you really feel talking about this. my thought was complete revulsion and disgust when i heard that. if that reporting from "the new york post" is true. then i thought, great, there is evidence, you idiot, that will be very helpful in trial if he is indeed guilty and this goes to a jury to take a look at that. of course we have to talk about this. and it is not just "right-wing" or "right-leaning" groups that are upset about this. look here in new york, there was a city council meeting where people blew up, seeing it in chicago where people are suing their own leadership. you are seeing it in boston and many other cities where people are angry and frustrated about what's happening in their communities and that is not something you can just write off. jesse, you are right. average americans sitting at home watching this are disgusted and outraged at this. what secretary mayorkas saying this is about the individual and it was his criminal act. that's true, but that's not what they say when there is a gun involved. it's immediately, we have to sue the gun industry. the gun is the thing that is at fault, the gun is the thing that did it. you're going to follow their logic on the border being open is what has allowed people here. they wouldn't have raped, hit people in cars and killed them, duis come all kinds of other things, but for them being a lot across the border. they would not have been able to commit those crimes in this country. >> judge jeanine: it is the old but-4 backtest. greg, congresswoman jayapal, do we have a sound from her? let's take a listen. >> the economics of immigration are absolutely, you can't argue with that. we have brought in so much money for immigration and the surge in immigration has already brought in so much money and will continue to do so. >> judge jeanine: all right, she says, the congresswoman, that illegal immigration has brought in so much money. not talking about what it costs this country to house and feed them, educate them, hospitalize them. >> greg: yeah, they are divorced from what their incentives lead to. they incentivize it and then we deal with the consequences. if it is fearmongering to care about rape and murder, maybe it is me, but that seems like the right thing to be fearmongering about. i mean, would you rather have us fearmongering over the coming ice age or the carbon footprint of your air conditioner? or white supremacy in the military? or people making the okay sign with their fingers? think about the fears that are important to the left, right? trump's posts on x. misgendering young people. i'm sorry, joy. you've lost the authority to define fear when you exploit phantom threats that mean nothing to the american people. this is the flaw with trump, republicans, and even myself, is that we didn't figure out this trick sooner, that when you blow the whistle on something bad and real, the dems portray the whistle-blowing as worse than the actual evil you are blowing the whistle on. remember 2015, trump accurately predicted the consequences of an unprotected border. but the new story was about the course bluntness of his words, about the coming wave of criminality. that was worse. it was the words about what he was predicting and not the prediction itself. and then of course it came true. but again calling out the threat is worse than the threat itself. and democrats focus on rhetoric, it is for a reason. it is to shift the emphasis away from a problem that they know they are responsible for while putting the whistle-blower, which is the other side come in a defensive posture in which the media then exploits further. meanwhile, the prediction unfolds and more people die and raped because unfettered immigration will lead to more crime but instead of admitting they are wrong, this is what they do, they try to smear you for being outraged so you won't call it out. i'm not even interested, at this point, in who is at fault, politically. we just want this to stop. and we can be outraged about that. and if you are not outraged about that, joy, you are not human. >> judge jeanine: you know, harold, 53% of hispanics in this country, 60% of americans believe that the idea of a mass deportation is appropriate. the left doesn't seem to get it. they are refusing to accept what the majority, it seems, mandate, want with these illegals. >> for it so, first off, we are right to cover the story the way that we cover it. and whomever wants to cover it up, other ways can do that, but don't be critical of us for shining a light on this. you said it well, judge, and greg, you did, as well, around what happens when the press brings a light to this. you inform the public. you put pressure on prosecutors, police officers, the right kind of pressure, and even politicians, to act. greg, your point about one of your points about this is not a partisan issue or a political issue. we need to act. i know that president trump has said, if he is elected again, he will deport 10 million, if not more, people who are here. it's important to note the president who deported the most people from this country over the last 20 years was barack obama. some in his own party criticized him. it is important to note also that the queens d.a. who has charge this man was rape and kidnapping is a democrat named melinda katz. who has a reputation for being tough on crime and i hope she lives up to that reputation. and finally, again, i just hope people in politics, we have a great microphone here and i would argue there's a group here has been as prolific and as constructive and loud in calling attention to this issue. i would only hope that politicians would do the same and not wait for an election to do something on this issue. >> judge jeanine: okay, thank you. coming up, joe biden's trump is killing democracy scare tactics are bombing with the voters. ♪ ♪ ♪ when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪ [ cellphone whooshes ] [ sighs ] that's why progressive makes it easy to save with a commercial auto quote online so you can take on all your others to-dos. already did. see if you could save at progressivecommercial.com. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪) ♪ ♪ >> greg: democrats freaking out over how their trump panic porn is bombing with voters. axios reporting open with senior democrats including some of president biden's aides are increasingly dubious about his victory in november which relies on voter concerns about jan six, political violence, and donald trump's character. worried they will get booed from joe's inner circle. and here is another way they can backfire. the media is giving republicans the best reason yet to vote for trump. >> a lot of talk about trump seeking retribution if he gets to office. he is so vindictive that he will go after however he has with the irs, may be, even sponsors to get us off the air, maybe. >> no more worried about me than i am everybody. >> i think it is bad to have somebody saying give me as much power as you can in this country so i can use it to go after other americans, so i can use it to go after these subhuman, internal enemies, and i will destroy them. >> greg: thank you, wally cleaver. so, harold, here's what i want to know. when people predict these things about trump, they assume that he is vengeful, which i have not -- i just see him as always moving on. but the other thing, shouldn't they actually say how it would work? if trump is going to get "the view" canceled, how would that actually work? >> harold: i don't know. i listen to those who talk about the former president, if he is elected, about being revenge-full comment i have heard the president say his success or revenge would be his success goodbye wish he wouldn't even use the word revenge, just look, i'm going to make the country so great and so smarter and so richer and so healthier, people won't even think about those things. i think the more he mentions those words, the more you invite, i think, some of the things that are being said. too, 300,000 voters will decide the race periods they had all the time. six or seven states are the key states. there is a new marist poll out today that shows as we head into this debate, the two candidates. most likely to vote in november, mr. trump has a one point need. i read the cross tabs because i am a nerd. it says one of the reasons the numbers have come a little bit back for biden is that non-white voters have come a little bit back to biden and independent voters were affected -- i should say come have seemed less likely now to vote for president trump after the trial here in new york. the good thing for president trump is that his numbers seem to stabilize. none of his supporters come his strong base supporters, are leaving. finally, i wish, i hope, i've set it for a while, i hope the campaign gets focused more on what you're going to do for the country and how you make people's lives better over the next four years, to talk about democracy and all of those things. i get it. but i'm just not convinced that is what is going to win the election. i understand some of that exercise, but at the end of the day, having actively negative message running for president has never worked. mr. trump sometimes is negative, mr. biden sometimes is negative, talking about democracy and the things he talks about. talk about america and what you are going to do to make our lives better. that has always been my approach. >> greg: i think you are hitting on the problem for the dems, shannon, they are relying on hypothetical doom scenarios were all trump has to do is point out the realities of american life under joe biden, and there is no contest. >> shannon: or if you are pointing out the scenario of the irs going after people, i would remind folks of lois lerner. the irs had to confess and admit they did things wrong in targeting conservative groups and apologized to them, so that actually has happened under different administration. but i think you are exactly right. as usual. a lot of people have no idea who who have some of these folks are. former fbi director andy mccabe saying he is having torturous conversations with people about leaving the country because they are afraid trump is going to s for them in jail, people whom do not know who that is. then how much it cost them to fill up their gas tank and buy groceries on the fact that they can't buy a house. i do think every day stuff is going to get with people much more then this talk of trump throwing everyone in jail. >> greg: that lead me to this question, judge, goes back to this huge gaping hole in their thesis. if trump is such a threat to democracy in their lives, why aren't they pitting a feeble, unfit candidate against them? it's like they are sending a room but to fight a sherman tank. it makes no sense. >> judge jeanine: that obviously is a good point. they understand. they can say, you know, we are changing the videos and we are getting involved in cheat fakes and all of that nonsense but we all say the same thing and you have to say to yourself, why are they so dug in with this guide? who looks -- he looks foolish. he is an embarrassment on the world stage. you know, there is a interesting point, and it is that apparently 30% of americans are worried about inflation, and 29% of americans are worried about preserving democracy. and so, you know, they are kind of hanging on that one, saying, even though we can't talk about anything positive, we can't talk about the evs, we can talk about climate change, we can't talk about anything positive that joe biden has done, we can really focus on a threat to democracy, and the numbers really indicate that that is an argument that they should stay with, and they will stay with. i agree. look, this claim that donald trump is going to cancel "the view," first of all, you are not that important. secondly, didn't "the view" air between 2016 and 2020? i didn't trump people go on "the view," like kellyanne conway and don jr.? they are going to sick the irs -- going to stick it on them? lois lerner? you are so right, shannon. the whole thing is this prediction that is so bizarre that it is unfathomable. they don't know what they're talking about. >> greg: jesse, i save the best question for you. >> jesse: i didn't do it. >> greg: nicely done. you have something in common with these people, they think they are the center of the universe, and they believe they are so important that they pose a threat to the country. it's almost like a humble brag, like, oh, my god, they are going to come for me. no, shouldn't trump just called them up personally and say you will be fine? [laughter] >> jesse: just like that, you'll be fine. so they saw the kind of attention and money trump got when he got unfairly prosecuted. and that is what they want. they want a mug shot. they want a trial where all of their colleagues go down and report on the injustice they are receiving. their ratings aren't great. they want to be popular again. they are not as influential as they use to be so they want to be unfairly targeted because that is historical. they want to have trump make history with them so that is what that is about. this leak to axios was significant. this was a leak from the highest levels of biden world saying this is a losing campaign, and they name check mike donnelly, who is joe biden's oldest and dearest advisor and who is running a campaign for the first time not on policy. if you think about it, jan. 6, democracy, trump's character is not democracy policy. that has never been tried in the history of residential campaign. obama ran on the war come obamacare, the economy. trump ran on trade, immigration, and isis. biden ran on covid. biden's running on january -- i mean, that is the riskiest campaign strategy of all time. and if you look at polling, polling doesn't change around june. it usually locks in. right now there must be freaking out and they are trying to get a little distance from this losing campaign. >> harold: polling moves around a little bit -- >> jesse: a little bit, not a lot, harold. >> harold: we will see. >> greg: let's talk another hour about the polling. >> jesse: across tabs! >> greg: coming up, liberal media morons slapping warning labels on videos that biden looks like a corpse. ♪ ♪ emember. living in glances of people i loved. and ones i didn't even know. 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