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state laws put a woman in jail or give her the death penalty for getting an abortion. let's focus on how to save as many babies as we can and support as many moms as we can and stop the judgment. >> i'm 100% pro-life. i have a 100% pro-life voting record. i would certainly as president of the united states have a 15-week national limit. >> i'm actually enjoying the ukraine hawks quietly delicately tiptoe back from their position as this thing has unwound into a disaster. >> this is china trying to further divide the united states of america. tiktok should be banned because they are poisoning american minds, and i would do it week one. >> those were some of the highlights from last night's republican presidential debate, an event that was less chaotic than the previous two. we'll have much more from that shedown in miami straight ahead. plus, we'll take a look at what impact if any the debate could have on donald trump's overwhelming lead in the primary polls. and also ahead the latest on a significant development in the middle east. negotiations are under way to release more hostages who are being held by hamas. good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this thursday, november 9th. somehow it is only thursday. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. and we'll begin this busy show with the third republican primary debate. it was last night and hosted by nbc news. the five candidates on the stage last night in miami were ron desantis, nikki haley, tim scott, vivek ramaswamy, and chris christie. they sparred over several issues from israel's war with hamas to abortion. and just like the first two debates donald trump was a no show. he instead held a rally in a nearby miami suburb. so for the first question of the night, the candidates were asked why they should be the republican nominee for president instead of trump. here's what they had to say. >> and donald trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016. he owes it to you to be on this stage and explain why he should get another chance. he should explain why he didn't have mexico pay for the border wall. he should explain why he racked up so much debt. he should explain why he didn't drain the swamp. and he said republicans were going to get tired of winning. well, we saw last night i'm sick of republicans losing. >> i can tell you that i think he was the right president at the right time. i don't think he's the right president now. i think that he put us $8 trillion in debt and our kids are never going to forgive us for that. >> anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail or courtrooms cannot lead this party or country. >> we need a president and a candidate who will actually help our base solidify and attract independent voters into our party. >> absent from that clip was vivek ramaswamy who used that time to attack the debate's moderators instead of trump. we won't be showing you that. now for the two top polling candidates on the debate stage former ambassador nikki haley and former -- florida governor ron desantis. >> they want to talk about chinese land ten years ago. yes i bought a chinese glass company ten years ago to south carolina, but, ron, you are the chair of your economic development agency that as of last week said that florida is the ideal place for chinese businesses. not only that, you have a company that is a manufacturer of chinese military planes. you have it. they are expanding two training sites at two of your airports now, one which is 12 miles away from a naval base. then you have another company that's expanding, and they were just invaded by the department of homeland security. so mine was ten years ago, yours was six months ago. >> i didn't give them anything. >> what's your story? >> and i abolished that agency she's talk about. enterprise florida, we abolished and we banned china. >> the republican pretzdential hopefuls also grappled with the party's position on abortion rights following overwhelming victories for repructive freedom across the country in tuesday's elections including both ohio and virginia. the five candidates on stage could not agree how the party should best handle the issue including governor desantis who signed a six-week abortion ban in florida. >> you got to work from the bottom up. you've got to do a better job on these referenda. i think of the stuff that's happened today the pro-life cause, they have been caught flat-footed on these referenda, and they have been losing the referenda. a lot of the people who were voting for the referenda are republicans who would vote for a republican candidate. so you've got to understand how to do that. >> so let's find consensus. let's agree on what -- how we can ban late-term abortions. let's make sure we encourage adoptions and good quality adoptions. stop the judgment. we don't need to divide america over this issue anymore. >> we need a 15-week federal limit. three out of four americans agree with a 15-week limit. 47 out of 50 countries in europe agree with a 15-week limit. i would challenge both nikki and ron to join me at a 15-week limit. >> here's the missing ingredient in this movement, sexual responsibility for men. we live in an era of reliable genetic paternity tests that are 100% reliable, so we can say men deserve more responsibility, so we can tell women we're all in this together. it's not men's rights versus women's rights. it's about human rights. >> this country state by state to make the call for themselves. now, it's going to lead to a lot of divergence. in oklahoma you can't get an abortion unless the life of the mother is at risk. in my home state of new jersey it goes up to nine months you can get an abortion. i find that morally reprehensible, but that is what the people of our state have voted for, and we should not short circuit that process until every state's people have the right to weigh in on it. >> joining us now health care reporter for -- on capitol hill for politico. thank you so. for being here this morning. let's talk first of all broadly about the debate last night. obviously it comes as all of these candidates 10, 30, 40 points behind donald trump. a lot of attention about nikki haley. she and desantis seem to be sparring to take the title as alternative. do you think either of them delivered any wins last night? >> despite the debate taking place in an alternate universe where donald trump isn't absolutely beating the pants off of them, i don't think anything really changed. the people who are struggling continued to struggle. the people seeming to do well and improve like nikki haley are continuing to do so. she got a lot of attacks, which, you know, may help her but indicates that people thinks she's doing well. and, you know, with fewer candidates you did get into a little more substance, and you did get into some of these areas where they don't agree with one another including abortion, so that was a little bit revealing as well. >> i think it was also revealing how much they dislike vivek ramaswamy and particularly nikki haley. yeah, you mention abortion. and that's been one of your focuses at politico. and it loomed large on the debate stage coming on the heels of the win tuesday. give us your sense what's taking place with republicans as they try to navigate this issue which is going to be so important next year, too. >> on the debate stage the divisions on the broader conservative movement were on full display. we're now more than a year and a half after the overturning of roe v. wade, and nikki haley talked about consensus. we're so far from that. there's not even consensus among republicans how to move forward. there's not consensus on whether this should be something states decide or federal government steps in. there's not consensus where in pregnancy to impose a ban or a limit. so you just have this tension about how to move forward, and that was also on display in the election results as well. >> look, let's go to the other side of this now and talk about the democrats and how they view the issue. certainly triumphant this week. democratic strategists, and white house aides i've talked to in the last day or two, they certainly believe abortion will be a big part of 2024 as well. tell us which states might be entertaining similar abortion measures next year and how democrats think it'll factor into a presidential election. >> absolutely. so, you know, this strategy of putting it directly on the ballot before voters has proven so successful, and you've had democrats on both offense and defense last year, abut in every single state that's voted so far most recently in ohio, the pro-abortion rights side has won and won decisively. and it's just really striking that in ohio where you had a republican governor campaigning against the measure, you had republican state officials doing everything they can pulling out all the stops to make the vote harder, to change the ballot language that was before voters. and still it won overwhelmingly. and so this is only fueling the desire to put it on the ballot in more states. so we're watching florida, watching missouri, arizona, nevada, could be even more. >> a couple swing states on that list. doing great work covering the topic for politico. health care reporter on capitol hill, alice miranda olstin, thank you for joining us this morning. as we mention just a few minutes down the road from the debate stage, donald trump held a counter programming event last night. at a nearby rally the republican primary front-runner blasted his gop opponents and president biden while offering kind words for authoritaris around the world. for the third time in the last few weeks trump incorrectly stated last night that hungary shares a border with both russia and ukraine. you can see on that map not even close. in a separate moment he also appeared to confuse north korean leader kim jong-un for chinese president xi jinping when he claimed that kim ruled over 1.4 billion people, which just happens to be the exact size of china's population. >> the very great head of a country, victor orban, hungary very powerful. told me a lot of things, great guy. you deal with all these people, the press hates when i say they're smart. he said they were smart. well, what am i supposed to say? they're stupid people? kim jong-un leads 1.4 billion people, and there's no doubt about who the boss is. >> we're happy to provide that fact check for you. after that rally, a trump campaign spokesperson announced that yet again the former president planned to skip the next republican primary debate that's slated for december in alabama. all right, we'll have more on the debate later in our show, but next we'll go through testimony from ivanka trump in the civil fraud trial against her family's business. plus an update on the historic actor strike that's been going on for almost four months. those stories and a check on sports and weather as we take a look at predawn washington, d.c. we'll be right back. e a look at predawn washington, d.c. we'll be right back. hello. it is so fantastamazing for me to see other trolls. is this how people feel when they meet me? yes. poppy, i'm your sister. my what? whoo. did you just braid my hair? 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organization in 2017 to work at the white house, and a judge ruled the statute of limitations to charge her has lapsed. but ivanka was still ordered to take the stand as a witness. she testified that she was not involved in producing her father's financial statements while she worked at the company. the attorney general's office says top organization police would falsify records to inflate donald trump's wealth and receive favorable financial deals. the judge in the case has already ruled that the cpany committed fraud, but trump maintains he did nothi wrong. nbc news reports that ivanka trump was largely evasive with her answers on the stand, often responding with the statement i don't recall when she was asked about financial documents. new york attorney general letitia james discussed the testimony after leaving the courthouse. >> ivanka trump was cordial, she was disciplined, she was controlled, and she was very courteous. but her testimony raises some questions with regards to its credibility, which will be a question for the finder of fact. the reality is that based on the evidence, the documentary evidence, she clearly was involved in negotiating and securing loans, favorable loans for the benefit of the trump organization, for mr. trump and her brothers and for herself. >> meanwhile, president joe biden today is expected to visit belvedere, illinois, where united auto workers scored a big win with t new contract. the president is s to head to the chicago suburb to meet with uaw president shawn fain and union workers to highlight a recent agreement between the union and big three auto makers that ended a weeks long strike. the deal with the auto companies included a 25% general pay increase over the course of a four-year contract. increased retirement benefits and more paid leave. afterward, biden will head to chicago proper for a fund-raiser. and breaking this morning, hollywood actors are now heading back to work. sag-aftra, the union that represents tens of tusands of hollywood actors announced a tentative agreement late last night with major tv and movie studios that could mark the end of a historic 118-day strike. the deal comes over a month after hollywood writers ended their own strike. and though details of the new agreement were not immediately released, actors have been calling for similar demands such as better pay, bigger cuts of streaming profits and safe guards on the use of artificial intelligence. tomorrow the deal will go to the union's national board for approval. still ahead we'll turn to sports and a -- go through a major controversy in college football including -- that involves one of the sports premier program. plus a well respected coach in major league baseball is getting another shot at a managerial job. we'll tell you who that is and where he's going next. t is and where he's going next. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and 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help hold off golden state. the nuggets improved, remain undefeated so far this season. elsewhere the university of michigan has set the stage for a legal battle between the school and big ten conference over an wolverines ongoing sign stealing scandal. in a ten page let door the conference obtained by yahoo sports, michigan warns the big ten's commissioner against what it describes as preme mature, disciplinary action against head coach jim harba. questions the league's evidence in the case deems it grossly sufficient. and the school believes the conference is in a to punish the wolverine because of public and internal pressure from other big ten schools that e a, quote, indefe precedent. the school also warnedquote, the conference should cautiously when setting precedent giving t reality that in-person scouting, collusion among opponents, and other questionable practices may well be far more prevalent than believed. on monday the conference presented evidence to michigan along with a notice of potential disciplinary action in the scandal involving a former low-level staffer. the conference is reportedly considering a multi-game suspension for harba. his contract extension also in jeopardy. we turn to major league baseball. the los angeles angels have a new manager. washington managed from 2007 to 2018 leading the rangers to back-to-back appearances during that run. the 71-year-old has spent the last seven seasons as a well respected third base coach for the atlanta braves and well-beloved in the game and another shot this time. in anaheim week ten of the re sean kicks off tonight in chicago with the bears hosting the carolina panthers in what is truly a dreadful thursday night football game. folks, make other plans. time now for the weather and let's go to meteorologist angie lassman for the forecast. how's it looking out there? >> it's looking a little soggy for parts of the southern plains, but if you're looking for sunshine really the middle of the country is where it's at. once again we're back to the 80s, so not feeling like fall. in that region feeling more like spring or early summer. we've also got a bit of snow we're dealing with in parts of northern new england. there are alerts sfreching from new york to maine. it could be slicker on the roads, and we could be dealing with rain working through the early hours. but the rain th

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