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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 February 8, 2012



seditious. and they made them change the language of a letter from a bishop to his people. ladies and gentlemen, freedom is at stake in this election. we need to be the voice for freedom. and that founding document, the declaration of independence, at the end of the document, the founders signed their names. but the last clause of the document said we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. ladies and gentlemen, every generation of americans doesn't create freedom, but they have in many respects a harder job. they have to maintain freedom. your charge tonight, your charge tonight here in missouri because we're not done yet with you here in missouri. you have a caucus coming up next month. go out and pledge, pledge, no, not your lives. maybe your fortune. ricksantorum.com is the website. but your honor. the honor that you stand on on the backs and shoulders of your ancestors. the people here in st. louis, missouri, across the country who sacrificed for the country, for the freems we have. america's honor. your honor. is at stake. go out and preserve the greatest country in the history of the world. thank you all and god bless. >> listening to rick santorum celebrating two wins in missouri and minnesota. we're still looking at the numbers in colorado right now at 11:00 p.m. the vote in, romney and santorum are tied. both at 37%. newt gingrich in third place at 17%. ron paul at 9%. what do you think of what santorum was saying? >> he's speaking the language of conservatism. it comes comfortably, naturally, from the very beginning, my wife, the rock, thank god. when you thank god, you know it's not a politician saying a line. it comes from the heart. >> it goes back to his piece in iowa where he talked about the hands of his grandfather, he was an immigrant of the country. >> what he does is talk to the people that i am of the conservative movement. i speak the language, it's in me, it's who i am. it's not an artifice, it's not training. it's natural. i think that's what his natural connection is with the conservatives. but he has that conservative language down to a lot of people who say i don't know if i can trust romney. >> your wife doesn't hurt you with conservative voters, by the way. no, no, it wasn't, but then he took a turn and he criticized barack obama, which, of course, is something as david was saying, he ought to do, but then he really hit hard against mitt romney and pounded him and said, mitt romney is the same as barack obama. and he paid no attention to newt gingrich, as if he wasn't even in the race. >> cnn is projecting that ron paul will come in second in minnesota. >> he did very well in the college towns, in st. paul and minneapolis. i'm not surprised. >> back to rick santorum, he didn't go presidential. but he is very different than a conservative like mitt romney. he's what we call a street corner conservative. he's for the working people of the country. there's a populous quality about the way he talks th s relates f people in a different way than romney tries to do and doesn't communicate. >> it's very natural. >> very natural, very natural, and he came up with a way against obama that is potentially more telling than what romney has been arguing. romney has been arguing he's wrong headed. what santorum is saying is he's basically a snob. and he's not listening to you because he thinks he's smarter than you. and he's associated with people who are looking at obama and say i respect him, but who does he think he is lecturing me about this, that, and the other? it's an interesting turn of the argument, and i would argue that republicans may find that a more potent argument than the one they have been making. >> the campaign moves to the midwest and the rust belt, former pennsylvania senator, he understands that language as well. >> one thing we wanted to show, we were talking, i think we have -- we can show you when you were looking at rick santorum, right next to 4i78 was a guy in the green tie. they said, he's a super pac donor. it is. the top donor and literally, as you were calling them earlier, sugar daddy. that's foster friesz. and he's a very wealthy man. he supports born-again evangelical causes. big investment manager. has given about half of the $730,000 super pac rick santorum has raised. you shouldn't have them with your campaign at all. it's interesting. >> on a big night like tonight, it's not appropriate. >> let me say this in terms of the speech. first of all, it is not that good. it has five ingredients. this was not a really -- i'm catholic, but i worked for a lot of pabaptists. >> sit yourself down? >> this is an opportunity for rick santorum to reintroduce himself to the conservative voters in arizona and michigan and the key states down the road. he didn't really do that. he has an interesting background as a blue-collar type republi n republican. he could have make that argument. instead, he wasted a lot of times, process, i have been outspend. obama thinks he knows better. >> that obama thinks he knows better is reverberating with conservatives. they want to hear that. >> i think you have to give him that, but he has to turn the stone of looking presidential. i don't think he's done that. he comes across more as almost a school boy. >> i want to bring in jessica yellin who has been with us all night as well. they have to be pleased to see santorum doing so well in two major states tonight to keep this thing going. >> this is great news for them, anderson. they're just watching the show and enjoying it. i mean, first of all, if this were to come to pass, they would love to run against rick santorum because this election will be decided in the middle, and by swing voters who prefer moderate candidates, and obama thought it would not be hard to make the case at the president is far more in the middle than rick santorum who tends to run on social issues, but they ultimately believe that romney will be the nominee, and it stretches the primary out, and it creates more weaknesses. here comes ron paul. it creates more weaknesses they can point to in romney and romney will get more negative in the coming days. >> ron paul and his wife. dr. paul is about to speak. let's listen in. he did come in second in minnesota. >> thank you, thank you. >> president paul, president paul, president paul! >> thank you, thank you. thank you for all your hard work, and believe it or not, we did very well tonight. had a strong second place, and it's going to continue. you know, we've had some good news today. maybe you have seen, but there was a recent reuters poll out today, the first time that we came in second in a national poll in the republican primary. and we do have to remember, you know, the straw vote is one thing, but there's one other thing called delegates, yeah! and that is where we excel. we know what to do by getting delegates. even in a state that ended up a little confusing, nevada, i understand that we're going to do very well in nevada in getting delegates. and of course, tonight, i have heard nothing but good stories about all of you staying around and going through the process. understanding the process, and voting and getting delegates. so when the dust settles, i think there's a very good chance that we're going to have the maximum number of delegates coming out of minnesota. there's other good news, too, and it's an ongoing caucus on the east coast, i think it's the state called maine. we're doing very well there, and we're going to hear results on that on saturday, and i think those results are going to be very good as well. but i want to really thank you for the effort and the one thing that i'm convinced of, those who join the campaign for liberty and promote this cause, really believe in something. i keep thinking, it must be a lot more fun believing in something that just campaigning for nothing. as a matter of fact, that's what makes it easy going because this is what the effort has been all about. and i have been so impressed. i have been involved for a long time, but it's been the last several years, especially since the last campaign four years ago. the world has changed dramatically, and our reviews are not only being accepted, they're being sought after, because for so long, people have said as long as we're rich and as long as we can borrow money and as long as we can print money and the people will take care of us and we won't have to worry, but guess what happened four years ago? all of a sudden, actually, the bankruptcy was declared, and this is the reason why the economy is in bad shape. the world economy is in bad shape, everybody thinks we're going to bail them out, and they think the dollar is going to bail them out, and most americans are saying no way you can do it. there's no way you can keep the entire system and the debt rising at over a trillion a year, and we have to challenge the entitlement system and the foreign policy that gives us these perpetual wars. the biggest problem we've had is convincing people who are in office that they're spending too much in washington. today, the american people are way ahead of the people in washington. and quite frankly, i think it's important to know that there's only one candidate and only one campaign that offers real cuts and in the first year of the new presidency, there will be $1 trillion cut from the budget. every once in a while, people tell me, ron, you could do a lot better if you would just change your tune on the foreign policy stuff, but guess what. it's the foreign policy that has built our campaign. some people think foreign policy is separate from economic policy, but what usually happens, and it's been known in most recent history, is foreign policy is the economic policy. fortunately, we never had to fight the soviets. over, i was very much aware of the fight with the soviets in the cold war, having been in the military in the '60s, but the soviets self-destructed because they expanded themselves toor far around the world and went bankrupt, and we didn't have to fight them, and we, unfortunately, are facing the same problem. we have expanded ourselves too far around the world, we have gotten in wars that are unconstitutional. we don't know why they're there, why they're over, the most important thing they could do is bring the troops home. and it would save a lot of money. we don't need to pay all this money to keep troops all over the country. 130 countries, 900 bases, but think, bringing all the troops home rather rapidly, they would be spending their money here at home and not in germany and japan and south korea. tremendous boost to the economy. you know, under war time conditions, people generally get more careless about their civil liberties. that's what happened in this country. we have permitted our government to undermine our civil liberties in the name of safety and security. we were told in this country that you should never sacrifice your liberties for safety or security because you'll end up with neither. this is the reason i have come to the conviction you never have to sacrifice your liberty if you want to be safe. never. we now are living in an age where civil liberties are poorly protected. we have a patriots act that has canceled out the fourth amendment. we have a bill that the national defense authorization act that permits the arrest of citizens by the military and without a trial and put in prison indefinitely. that's not part of what america is about and those laws have to be repealed if we want to live in a true republic. our government is too big. the bigger a government gets, the smaller our liberties become. government is way too big, and that's why we're losing our liberties. we're losing our economic liberties as well as our personal liberties. we must cut babbling. how did we get into this trouble. yes, there's always an appetite for big government. also this temptation of getting something for free, and alwaysm poor people. the trouble is when you endorse the principle of the redistribution of wealth, it gets handed off to the rich and they're the ones who benefit, become wealthy, and when they get into trouble, guess who gets the bailouts, the wealthy wall streeters and bankers. this is the reason there should be no bailouts at all. but there's a simple little trick that they played on us and the american people. that trick was played on us in the monetary system. they figured, well, it's a wealthy country. freedom produces a lot of wealth. that's fine, we can tax the people to a certain point, then people get annoyed. the politicians still want to pass out all the goodies, so they think we'll keep borrowing. until interest rates go up, aha, that's going to hurt the economy, so we have to have another gimmick. and that was invented in 1913. it was made a disaster in 1971. and that is the destruction of the currency through an illegal operation, an unconstitutional operation of the federal reserve system that we should address and have a full audit and find out where and how they're spending all our money. you know, we get into so much trouble because the constitution has been ignored, whether it's going to war or the constitution still says only gold and silver can be legal tender. it would be proper to send only people to washington and those who are there hold their feet to the fire that we want people to obey the law of the land which is a constitution, and you can't print money, go to war without a declaration and can't undermine our privacy any longer. the solution is not difficult. the solution was once well known in america, and that's when we understood and respected personal liberty. understanding that liberty came as the declaration of independence directed, from our creator. we have a right to our liberty, we should have a right to keep the fruits of all our labors. but we have undermined that productive system by having too much government, too much spending, too much borrowing, too much printing of money and regulations. so the reversal is obey the constitution, get the government out of the way. people say, there will be no regulations. no, the regulations would be tougher because the people who are supposed to go bankrupt would go bankrupt and they wouldn't get bailed out. [ applause ] but the wonderful thing about a free society is a prosperous society. we all should be humanitarians. and unfortunately, we who advocate that haven't done a good job over the years because we should convince people those who grab the moral high ground and say we're going to take care of the poor, what do they do? welfarism and inflationism, they produce the poor. it gives us the broadest distribution of wealth, the biggest middle class and wealthiest middle class. that's being undermined and destroyed and the problem can be solved with a true understanding and conviction and restoration of individual liberty. wonderful thing about the principles of liberty is that it brings people together because everybody woenn't use their liberty in the same way. if you understand that, you will tolerate other people and how they spend they money and how they run their lives as long as they don't hurt people. for this reason, people of diversity would come together. they would respect other people's liberty as well. this is why the solution is not that difficult. we have had this experimentation, we had the greatest success and we lost our faith and confidence, and that's what we need restored. we need to truly understand it. it's not going back to the old days. we don't have to go back to an old gold standard or to those principles. we need to go back and pick up the pieces and modernize it. we need an advancement of the cause of liberty and the understanding of liberty. this is the only solution if our goal be peace and prosperity, it's the only way you can achieve peace and prosperity. that should be our goal. it shouldn't be the goal of governments to run your life, to police what you do, to police other people around the world, nor to tell you how to run your economy and spend your money. it's the cause of liberty that we must restore, and we're well on our way and we're going to keep this momentum. thank you very much. thank you! >> ron paul responding to his second place win in minnesota tonight. clearly for him the battle continues in colorado right now with 26% of the vote in. rick santorum is in the lead with 42% of the vote. mitt romney in second place with 31%. again, just only about 26% of the vote in. if that trend continues in colorado, that is significant. >> it is. i think it's surprising to all of us. one thing that is heart to explain to folks back home is why, why did this happen? do you have thire theories abo? >> rick santorum didn't play in florida, didn't play in nevada. he picked his spaunts. he knows the caucuses attract very conservative voters, and that's who he was appealing to. >> romney can't leave the field open to him. >> he was running the state four years ago. he now came in third. >> he wins in minnesota i believe the day after the florida primary, but he has been in the state once. >> we're going to check in with john king to look at what is happening in colorado to look where the votes go to get a sense of how soon we'll be able to project this with 26% in. >> we should be cautious about colorado. we don't know the results yet. mitt romney still has a chance to win colorado from what i hear on the ground there. so don't jump to this conclusion that rick santorum had a sweep yet, but he's had a very good night. to answer your question, david, it does show a real fundamental conservative problem with mitt romney. he's not showed up in that part of the base yet, and this will be tested through the great primary. >> even if he gets a nomination, you'll still have that question which is how inthooenthusiastic the debates be because the last thing tea party voters wanted was an establishment candidate. you see the establishment. they had the establishment. >> about 60% of the vote, it's a drop-down. the turnout is still going now, and he's looking well, but to go down this far over the last 48 hours. weakthesness is involved, not ja message, not just the base. >> we have a couple weeks before the 28th when we're going to have the vone zoarizona debate. that's a lot of time. >> that is a lot of time, and candidates will fill that void with attacking each other. >> even with evangelical voters in florida and nevada, so again, you have to be judicious in how much one state carries to the next. >> let's take a look at where the numbers are. >> i want to bring in some of our correspondents at the headquarters. jim acosta is at romney headquarters in colorado. we haven't heard from romney. dana bash is at santorum headquarters. we have heard from santorum. let's go to acosta. we have a crowd behind you. getting ready at some point soon, to hear from the former massachusetts governor. >> that's right. and the headline tonight for the romney campaign might be boston, we have a problem. this is not the night romney was anticipating, although earlier in the day, they put out a campaign memo to reporters saying they knew tonight wasn't going to go in their direction. i got confirmation from a romney campaign source just a few minutes ago that the former massachusetts governor put a phone call in to rick santorum. he did not get through, did not connect with santorum, but he left a message of congratulations. we know that that did happen tonight. that hasn't always happened on every caucus and primary night, as we know. i can tell you this room, we talked about a few moments ago, was not even half full. it's started to fill in, but this room is still not completely full, and chekeep in mind, we're in the city of denver. this is a large metropolitan area, outside of the city limits, you have a lot of conservative republicans, and

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