was raising online. listen to what he said then. >> do you know how much money has been raised by that website he set up? >> i got a note from somebody who seems to have control over one that says there were $700 or $800 in it. i've heard from another there's a couple thousand dollars in one. i don't know who's monitoring them or handling them or if anyone is taking any money out. i don't think so, but just haven't taken that on yet with everything else going on. >> well, today mark o'mara reached out to us saying he now has a much different understanding of his client's finances. i spoke to him earlier tonight. >> mark, we spoke earlier this week and you told me that you had conflicting information on how much money had been raised but george zimmerman's website, the account that he set up. you said you had been told anywhere from $700 to $800 to a couple of thousand dollars. you now say it's much more than that. how much money specifically to your knowledge has been raised by george zimmerman and his supporters? >> well, my understanding was there were two accounts. one with about $700 and one with about $2,000 by some friends of his. in talking to george after i was trying to shut down his full internet presence, because of some impersonators and other problems with twitter an facebook, he asked me what to do with his paypal accounts. i asked him what he was talking about. and he said those are the accounts that had the money from the website he had and that there was about $200,000, $204,000 that had come in to date. >> $200,000 to $204,000. that's obviously a very significant amount of money. when did you learn that? >> yesterday. >> okay. >> yeah, i was sort of surprised. i think you and i had talked on monday about it and i said about the two that i did know about. when he advised me yesterday after we were closing out all of his internet presence and the paypal accounts is when we found out about it. >> would this have affected 00 bond hearing? because you told the judge basically he was indigent. he got $150,000 bond and only had to pay about 10% of it. would that have made a difference had the judge known that he had $200,000 in paypal accounts? >> it might have. i'm certainly going to disclose it to the court tomorrow. coincidentally, we have a hearing. certainly we would acknowledge that he did not have funds available to him and these were. i'm not certain that he thought in some sense that they were available to him because even after the bond was granted, it was the family who was trying to come up with enough money for the bond. and i guess if they thought that they had full, easy access to it, they simply could have used that. but now that i'm aware of it, we're certainly going to deal with it in a much more tran parent way, probably bring in someone like an accountant to assist me in administering it and deal with it very openly. >> do you worry some people will think you misled the court or the court itself might think you tried to mislead him and they'll see how could a defense attorney not know his client's financial situation, that he had $200,000 in financial accounts? >> i'll deal with that fallout if it's there. i don't think judge lester will believe i misled him. i told him what i knew at the time which is exactly what i was aware of. as soon as i became aware of more money, we dealt with it more affirmatively. we put it into an account where it is protected and secure. i'm not touching it, nobody is touching it until we figure out how to handle it. and we disclosed it to everyone we could, including this program since it was on this program that we had talked about there only being the two websites and paypal accounts that i was aware. >> are you upset george zimmerman didn't disclose this to you earlier? do you feel like he was trying to keep it from you? or what? >> i truly don't think so because it was almost offhand that we discussed -- he said what to do with all the money in the paypal accounts after we closed out his presence. i asked him what he was talking about. he told me the amount. i said, well, that's a significant amount of money, we need to secure that because we need to make sure we administer it properly. and it came right to me. he literally fedexed me the checks. >> you've -- his website is now shut down. will he be soliciting more money from supporters in other ways to your knowledge? >> we certainly intend to open a legal defense fund under my purview done the right way, because i've had dozens -- hundreds actually of people wanting to donate. i don't believe that i can request donations at this point. there's a certain process you have to put in place. but i've already had, i think, 30, 40, 50 people just send money and checks to us. we've, of course, logged all of those and have all the money now in that same trust account. >> how much do you think his defense is going to cost? >> well, if we kept track of everything, 500 to $1 million potentially. while that sounds like a lot of money, on my family law cases where i charming an hourly rate, it's $400 an hour. so 1,000 hours is $400,000. i've probably put in 100, 120 hours to date. i haven't kept good track, to be honest with you. but i figure eight or ten hours a day nonstop, including weekends since i've been involved. so you can really go through a lot of money on a case like this with the intensity of it. >> mark o'mara, i appreciate you being with us. thank you, mark. >> sure. both sides will be back in court tomorrow morning for a hearing that was scheduled before this new development. joining me is mark geragos and sunny hostin. mark, is this a big deal? i mean he got out a pretty low baun, $150,000, only had to pay 10% of it. the judge was told he was indigent and it turns out he's got $200,000. >> yeah. i applaud mark for coming to you and admitting it or frontloading it, so to speak, before the hearing. however, and i don't know this judge. i know a lot of judges. if they discovered this on cnn as opposed to a filing in their courtroom would have my head on a platter the next day. is it a big deal? yes. i think mark candidly admitted if some squuj is being told i'm indigent and all the family members saying we don't have much money and he's setting a bond at 150 over the prosecution's objections and the prosecutor is asking for a million bucks and it turns out this guy has got $200,000 in an account, you know, i know a lot of judges who would remand the guy back into custody immediately. and i'll tell you why. because one of the things is, they want to make sure somebody is not going to flee and that the bond secures. if you've got more money stashed in an account that basically you didn't earn, somebody just gave it to you and you can just pay the bond and be gone, that gives a lot of judges concern. >> it's also interesting to see, sunny, that he didn't apparently tell his own attorney about this money and his family is testifying and his attorney is testifying that he's basically indigent. >> that's right. and for once i think mark and i agree on this. this is a big deal. that's the headline here. bottom line is george zimmerman knew. we know that. he allowed his family to testify on his behalf without disclosing to them or perhaps they knew, didn't know, i mean they could have perjured themselves. this is the same family that is tasked with making sure george zimmerman abides by the conditions of his baun. so this is the family that is to make sure he meets his curfew. same family that makes sure there's no firearm in the home. >> do you think this is why zimmerman's father didn't show up? do you think there's a reason? do you think other people knew about this? >> i think it's very suspicious at the very least that robert zimmerman, his brother, who we've seen on all of the shows, wasn't available even by phone. when shelly zimmerman was asked by the prosecutor whether or not she knew about how much money was on the website, she said she didn't know, but her brother-in-law knew, but he was conveniently unavailable. that smacks to me of something that is just in my view disingenuous. >> mark, if you're the attorney in this case and your client has kept this from you, what does that make you feel about your client? >> well, it wouldn't be the first time a client has lied to me about how much assets they have in terms of paying a fee. and in this case i think mark had indicated that at least initially he was going to do this pro bono. the problem with this is that you're going to have a prosecutor just like what sunny did going to just spear you and gore you in the courtroom tomorrow. >> that's right. >> and it's not going to be a pretty sight. and that is exactly what you hate if you're the defense lawyer. you've convinced this judge to let this guy out. you're trying to be on the side of the angels. the next thing you know, it turns out there's 200 grand there. and i still think that this judge is not going to be happy. it may just be my experience. maybe people on the west coast have a different judiciary. most judges i know if they turn on cnn and find this out as opposed to having a filing in their courtroom, they are not going to be happy campers. >> mark, you say fund-raising for a legal defense is done right, george zimmerman could make millions of dollars. a lot of people will hear that and be upset by that. how does that work? how is that possible? >> i will tell you that in the right hands, this fund-raising appeal, it would not surprise me in the least if he would raise two to $5 million. there is a contingent -- or a constituency out there that would think nothing of writing checks anywhere from $25,000 to $50,000 for the defense. and part of the reason for that is that there are constituencies that want to use george zimmerman and this whole issue by proxy and there's no better way to do it than to have something like this, which is a hot button issue, which leads the nightly news for weeks at a time and potentially when you go to trial, if you go to trial past an immune tee hearing. so in the right hands, what i mean is somebody who's sophisticated with an internet presence or direct mail presence, it would not surprise me in the least that you could raise seven figures. >> tomorrow at this hearing besides this money issue, there's also the issue of a criminal complaint, which the judge has ordered to be unsealed. >> sure. >> what does that mean? 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is foreign policy experience important for a candidate or isn't it? very few presidents with some notable exceptions had a lot of foreign policy experience when they took office. >> sure, very few. you would rule out every governor who has ever become president of the united states if that was the only criteria the voters use. it's a factor. you have to have a credibility threshold. but in this election cycle and that's what it comes down to is foreign policy that cutting and prevalent an issue. it's not. it was in 2004. it was not in 2008 and it certainly doesn't seem the way the world is behaving right now to be that much of an issue in 2012. >> hillary, do you agree with that? there are some democrats who think this is an issue that the white house can run with and make some points with in a landscape where the economy seems to be front and certain, is foreign policy an issue people will cast votes on? >> i think it raises itself in two different ways in this election. first of all, i think we all agree that the domestic economy is the most important issue in this election. but foreign policy comes in in a couple of ways. first of all, we have spent as a country $800 billion in the iraq war. that is money that in so many ways could have been spent here at home on other priorities. those sorts of decisions, whether you have a president who understands the trade-offs that they're making when they lead us into a war we shouldn't be fighting or when they don't, that's the kind of president we have in barack obama. he has those sorts of judgments. people look at that, they respect that, they want to know that he's got priorities, for instance, going after osama bin laden. that he's a wise leader when it comes to picking and choosing where we need to be involved in the world. we're no longer in this old-fashioned place where mitt romney and his advisers want to have us be, where our only allies are in western europe and we're facing the soviet threat or czechoslovakia. we have country by country strategies and each one of them requires some strong leadership. an i think that's the issue that president obama is going to be able to run on. but i do agree that short of a crisis between now and november, it's not going to be on the front burner. >> ari, republicans, it's interesting, they have often felt they had an advantage with voters when it comes to foreign policy and national security. do you think that is still true in this election? whether or not it's the issue people will vote on, or do you think the balance of power has shifted a bit? >> i think it's shifted a bit. i think ever since the collapse of the soviet union you have not had the same dividing bright lines on foreign policy and defense issues that you did in the old days, so it's become less of an issue. but again, it's that threshold issue. in the case of president obama, of course, the vice president, then senator biden as you pointed out, anderson, did attack barack obama in the 2008 campaign. my issue with president obama is i think he's been pretty good on the anti-terrorism front and mostly because he flip-flopped. all the things he criticized president bush for. warrantless wire taps, indefinite detention, military commissions, he's kept up. he increased the drone strikes in pakistan to his credit. and he flip-flopped of course to hillary clinton's position on iran. he said that he would unconditionally negotiate with ahmadinejad and he doesn't so as president which is the smart flip-flop to make. the only thing he did say that troubles me is when he said after the election he'd have more flexibility. that troubles me a lot. what does flexibility mean? if he is going to abandon missile defense, he should have that out now, explain it to the country, not wait until after the election. >> hilary, you don't see the same flip-flops? >> not so much. i think what we have is a president who is strategically making decisions country by country. we have a nuclear treaty with russia, it's an important treaty, and it will serve us well in years to come. president obama achieved that and previous presidents had not been able to. so i do think that people look at this president the way joe biden described him today. joe biden, the former fair of the senate foreign relations committee, a renowned foreign policy expert for many, many years. he says this is a president we trust, this is a president who sees the complexity and makes the right judgments. >> ari, just quickly, michael her shall wrote today that joe biden ranks as one of the most powerful and influential vice presidents in american history. i'm just curious your perspective. you served alongside a very powerful vice president, cheney. is biden as powerful as cheney was, more powerful, in that category? >> it's hard to know because the vice president's true strength, any vice president's strength is what they whisper privately when they're with the president. i think vice presidethe preside time alone and talks