his church to have tax except status. we'll get reaction from the community including from some church members. the sermon in question though occurred on mother's day. he lashed out at president obama's support of same-sex marriage and talked about his plan about eliminating gays and lesbians. >> the president getting up to talk about two men or two women to marry, i was disappointed bad but i'll tell you as sorry as you can get, the god and the bible is against it and if you have any sense, you're against it. i had to -- i figured a way out. a way to get rid of the lesbians and queers. but i couldn't get it past the congress. build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile long. put all of the lesbians in there. fly over and drop some food. do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. and have that fence electrified till they can't get out, feed them and you know what? in a few years they'll die out. do you know why they can't reproduce? >> mr. worley seems to believe gay people are simply the offspring of other gay people. i'm not going to address the lack of logic of that. but this was part of the 90-minute long sermon posted on the church's own website. not like the church was ashamed of it. not until the story went national last night and then the church took it down. today, the entire site was down. a local advocacy site managed to download it in two-minute chunks and piece back it together. in case you think it's not what he meant this is not first time that pastor worley has said something like this. here's part of a sermon he gave back in 1978. >> we're living in a date when you know what it saddens my heart to think, that homosexuals can go around and getting the applause of a lot of people. and bless god in a white oak tree. wouldn't they? amen. >> that was in 1978. these are obviously his long-held beliefs. his mother's day sermon came in response to the public events. here is where the pastor may have put himself in legal trouble. >> i'll tell you right now, if somebody said who you going to vote for, i ain't going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover. you said did you mean to say that? you better believe i did. >> amen! >> god have mercy. it makes me puking sick to think about -- i don't even know whether i ought to say this in the pulpit or not. can you imagine kissing some man? >> now, the tape cuts off. he goes on to say, quote, my god, i love you fellas, but not that much.n, but i'm not agains them. i want them to get saved but i will not accept that way of life here nor here after. the federal government won't be can concerned with those comments, but only the politics that pastor worley appears to be preaching. churches can lose their tax exempt status for that. according to a local station wbtv he says in the sermon they say that you're going to get in trouble with the government. well, i just want yinz to know i like that bubblegum stuff and i like the sunflower seeds. if you have to go to jail, you'll be the first one locked up and i said, thank god, hallelujah, that's good preaching. first, gary tuchman outside the baptist church in north carolina where there are late developments. gary, what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, anderson right now as we speak, a special meeting is taking place at the providence baptist church. a prayer meeting, scores of people inside. all supporters of pastor worley hoping for the best for their church and for their pastor. is pastor worley inside? we don't know that for sure. he's kept a low profile all day. staying away from us. we don't know for sure because church security and sheriff's deputies are telling us we cannot step foot on the church property. we went to pastor worley's house to try to talk to him. many members of the family were outside. we parked our car. they scattered inside the house so quickly that we found a lighted cigarette still on the window sill. sheriff deputy's came there too and we said we have to stay off their property too. this is a small town in maiden, north carolina, but a lot of people are not affiliated with the church and are embarrassed an aghast by the situation. among those who are members of the church, there's strong support for him. >> he would give you the shirt off his back. he would do anything he could for you. >> i mean, he said in church that he wants to put gay people behind electric fences and have them all die out. what do you think about that? >> well, that's not really what he said. he said, yes, he says, some of that, but he was going to feed them everything else. >> but you're saying that's okay if you feed them? >> well, i'm not saying it's okay one way or the other. what i'm saying that is his opinion. >> probably the most compassionate man i have ever known. i don't know, he's just got a big heart for people. he takes a firm stance on the bible and what it says about different things. whether i like it or not, or whether anybody else likes it. he stands for the bible. >> being gay and lesbian or whatever, homosexual is wrong according to the bible. it's wrong. >> even if you believe that though his words should be put in an electrified fence, don't you think it's a little dramatic and a little rude? >> no, because his point and reasoning was to see if they reproduce. well, like it is. >> you know, there's a lot of heterosexual couples who don't reproduce either. >> adam and eve. not adam and steve. >> why put adam and steve in an electrified jail? that's not what god wants is for men to be mean to the fellow man. >> he's not saying it to be mean. >> if it's not mean, what is it though? >> we love the people, hate the sin. point blank. you need to lay off my pastor. >> reporter: now, as you pointed out, anderson, pastor worley puts it on the website so he knows it's out there. we expected him to talk to the members of the news media. he hasn't. i can think of two possible reasons for that -- one, he doesn't have the guts or two, he doesn't care what we think. >> or a combination thereof. it's interesting to me to have seen what the reaction would have been if pastor worley would have been advocating putting african-americans in electrified cages or jewish people or christians. you know, or any group, how people would have responded in that community, that church if the response had been any different. did you get a sense of how much support he has? >> well, i can tell you -- and this is really important. this is the middle of the bible belt. but not everyone agrees with this guy. certainly the people we have talked to today who go to this church all agree with him. but many people in this town just can't believe what he said and what they tell us is that this is an intolerant man who runs an intolerant church. >> gary, appreciate it. again, we offered an invitation to the pastor to come on the program any time. i want to bring the reverend barry lynn, the founder and executive director for the americans united for separation of church and state. most people don't know the intricacies of the federal tax code, but you say what this pastor in north carolina has done is a clear violation of it. how so? >> yeah, i mean, look, unless you're asleep during the sermon which has been known to happen, but this went on for 90 minutes, you know unequivocally that you're not supposed to be voting for barack obama. this means it's a clear violation of the tax code that says, again, without equivocation, you cannot endorse or oppose a candidate for public office and retain your tax exemption. whether you're a church, or any other kind of charity. these aren't even close, anderson, to the line. we reported another pastor from eastern kentucky just yesterday filed a complaint. a man who went on a tear about why he opposed president obama's support for marriage equality and then he said, you know, i'm going to go on record. i don't care who knows we have to get him out. he wasn't talking about taking him out to lunch. he was talking about getting him out of office. this is not why people go to church. in fact, the new poll just a few days ago suggests that about two-thirds of americans do not want their pastor, their priest, their rabbi to tell them who to vote for. that's not why they're in a sacred space on a saturday or sunday. >> do you plan to file a complaint against this pastor now? >> we are going to file a complaint against this pastor. we don't think it's close to the line. it's like the pastor in kentucky or just a few weeks ago when the peoria, illinois, catholic bishop compared president obama to both hitler and stalin in the same sermon. there's nobody would mistake than for an endorsement of barack obama. this is so far over the line, nothing nuanced about it. there's no guarantee that you can say anything you want and keep your tax exemption up. a lot of people think doesn't the constitution guarantee tax exemption for churches, it does not. no supreme court case has ever said that either. when you get the valuable privilege of a tax exemption which means somebody is paying the taxes you're not paying the one and only thing you can't do is turn your religious institution into what amounts to be a political action committee supporting or opposing a candidate. that's what all the fellows have said. >> so you're saying you're going to file on this. if the irs checks into the pastor based on his comments, there are those who are going to say, look, this is the obama administration waging a war against religion, and how do you respond to that? does your group only focus on pastors who are against democratic presidents? >> no. hardly. i mean, we are kind of an absolutely fair minded, pro anti-democrats or republicans. we are concerned about the principle here. people go to church for a lot of reasons including spiritual solace. they go to learn about the bible. they go to learn about the life of jesus, how it applies to their life. they do not go to church to be told who to vote for because they missed the political action committee meeting on saturday night. this has been going on and there are groups that are organizing to get churches deliberately this full in the campaign to go and have preachers preach against candidates. of course, in this case, it's a group called the alliance defense fund. they only end up having churches preach against democrats. but we think it is just as wrong for michelle obama about a week or so before the last election in 2008 to go to the north carolina baptist council of churches meeting, their convention there, and give a pep rally speech for her husband. what is not what churches are about. that's not what charities are about. that's not why they get tax exemptions. they get them, it's incredibly valuable to them and they ought to play by the one simple rule. just don't endorse or oppose candidates for public office. these pastors, anderson, knew exactly what they were getting into. in both the kentucky case and the case that you're just talking about and showed the video of, the pastors made comments to suggest well, somebody told them this would be wrong or the government will come after them. they do it in defiance of not only the laws, but as is i think is apparent to me in my pastoral role in defiance of everything that christianity could and should mean. >> but they can say whatever they want. it's a question of whether or not they can get a tax exempt status. >> sure. very few give up their tax exempt status and they can talk about whatever they want. if you want to give a sermon from the end of time, it doesn't violate the tax code, but what violates the tax code is getting partisan. starting you should vote for the republican or the democrat or vote for somebody else. >> he said he's preaching the word of god which implies the word of god is telling you how to vote. >> see, you may remember earlier in the campaign cycle there were four -- count them four candidates in one political party all of whom said god had told them and rick santorum's case, god had told his wife that he would be the next president of the united states. you have to be careful if you think you're hearing from god, you better be awfully sure that's god speaking. you do tremendous damage, you do the kind of damage done in communities all over the country. with this kind of hateful rhetoric coming out of an institution that's supposed to care about people and supposed to be involved in the love of all, not the hatred of some. >> thank you. we appreciate it. follow me on twitter. real politics ahead, mitt romney and bain capital. ari fleischer and james carville will square off next. 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