their brother michael's tragic death. >> i think our first charge getting back to the stage would be something in the celebration of 40 years of show business. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we begin tonight with what we think is the big story. and tonight it's the high-stakes, high glamour hollywood fundraiser happening right now. it's the biggest ever fundraiser for a single candidate a not so intimate dinner at the home of george cleaner for 150 a-listers. guests handed over an estimated $6 million to take part and a ticket raffle raised $9 million. a lucrative west-coast trip for the president and joining me now to discuss this in many detail is nischelle turner being kept at bay i hear. you can't get near the action. what do you think is going on there? >> first of all we know that the president will be landing at los angeles international airport in about 15 minutes, piers. he will then helicopter over and take the motorcade through the streets in the san fernando valley. i know people are lined up on the streets to get a glance of the presidential motorcade. we know the event starts at 8:00 and is supposed to last a couple hours. a lot of hollywood a-listers. >> what i love about it. and the details haven't been fully confirmed but it appears of the $9 million raised from the public this is people paying $3 each to enter a raffle and the prize is sitting at the top table with the president of the united states and george clooney all for $3. >> that was like the most amazing thing about this fundraiser. they put this raffle out there and did raise $9 million from people going online and donating at least $3. $3 was the minimum. they did release the names of the winners who won. i just brought them with me. the first lady is beth who is a science teacher from new jersey. the other is karen who is a communications specialist from st. augustine, florida. they got all expense paid trips to this fundraiser. they get to bring their husbands as their dates. it will be a good time for them. >> nischelle, thank you. >> sure. >> celebrities, politics and big bucks is all fodder for p.j. o'roark. what do you make of this. $15 million, dinner at george clooney's house. the president helicoptering in. is it all just smart political fundraising or just tipping over the edge a little bit? >> no. all political fundraising is just a tax on stupidity but there may be more stupidity around than usual. but i'm interested in this that is celebrity-centered and that got me thinking about why celebrities are almost all liberals. not everyone but almost always. it has nothing to do with their conscious thought process or right or wrong or right or left it's just that the liberal message -- the liberal message flatters the good intentions of the audience and promises a happy ending and the conservative message is grumpy and reminds people they are selfish and live in a selfish world and things don't always turn out as well as we hoped. >> is there a danger in president obama in so aligning himself to the hollywood community? unlike bill clinton he hasn't been to hollywood very often but this is a huge event. the greatest fundraiser in history that it just identifies him now as the hollywood candidate, if you like. is that a danger for him in november? >> i think there is a little bit of a danger because we have been -- no offense to your final, upstanding self, but we have become very used to a very short celebrity half-life. i mean they just flicker across the -- you know one day it's sponge bob and the next day it's dora the explorer and then they are forgotten and gone. politician is a long-haul job. i believe he would like his show to be renewed for another four years. >> what i thought was a cynical view was you know why president obama decided to endorse gay marriage is he is walking to a room where he will be absolutely full of people who if he hadn't would have given him ear ache for the next three hours tonight. >> i'm sure. but you know, i'm very conservative myself but my opinion of gay marriage is why should they get off scot-free? you know? we know -- married people turn into republicans. >> we're watching as you speak watching marine one. breaking news, the president landing in hollywood in marine one and will be escorted by motorcade to george clooney's home. i mean, p.j. roark is it a great stunt in terms of pr. >> it is brilliant. it's absolutely brilliant. and the upside of the president associating himself with famous people is now with the internet age and the blogging age and so on we're all convinced that we're famous. and instead of being above the general public he is become a part of the general public. he, too, has his own reality show. >> if you were mitt romney and you're watching these scenes tonight are you feeling it's a bad night at the office or this could be an opportunity to distance himself from this whole celebrity circus if you like, focus on perhaps non-celebrity fundraising? >> i think i can read mitt's mind on this. i think this is an opportunity for mitt to show his gravitas and he will get together with math wizards and economists at the hedge fund club or something. so i have a feeling that mitt is the kind of guy who looks down upon this a little bit which isn't giving him -- one more case of him being bob dole without the sparkle. >> on that bombshell, p.j. as always a great pleasure. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> p.j. o'roerk. if there is one man you can count on not to toe the line is penn joy local. welcome back. >> good to see you. >> would you pay $40,000 to be a guest at this? >> i don't think i would go for free. those kind of dinners they are uncomfortable. you are sitting next to someone you don't want to talk to. i don't think it's that good. i'm i'm freaked that george clooney doesn't have a heli port. doesn't he have a bat port up there. >> what do you feel about the celebrity of fundraising? >> you go to where the money is. these are the 1%. >> do you feel irritated the american presidency is up to grabs for the most money. romney has blown away -- >> we found out. >> by just having more money. >> we found out that is not true. a lot of cases people tried to buy elections at the state level and it hasn't worked. the one big surprise is that the american people are way smarter than the pundits think they are. i think when it all comes down money is important but it's not everything. i think that the american people do care about ideas as crazy as that sounds. >> let's talk gay marriage. >> sure. this is so sudden. >> okay. >> we had been getting on so well. >> you are so cute. okay. >> now what do you think of it? >> well you know i don't think that marriage is the government's business. i don't know why sex and commitment and love is part of the government's job. >> shouldn't it be the government's business when a section of the community is excluded? >> absolutely. once you've had straight marriage you have to have gay marriage. and the slippery slope they talk about like what if they want polygamy and this i think that is terrific. i'm in favor of the slippery slope. i think slope is a good thing and commitment is a good thing and people should be able to make any life commitment to anyone they want but i'm not sure that the government has to overview that and make that decision. like many things we only get in trouble when we all try to agree on things for everybody if you went and said you can make any contract you want the reason i'm married is because i could not find a lawyer who would tell me that not being married if something tragic happened to my wife i would get custody of my children. almost sure i would but it is possible for one of her relatives. and so i was kind of forced into marriage and -- you know i would have loved my wife and made commitments but wouldn't have -- >> here you have a president who stuck his hand up and made a big move in favor of gay marriage. in our country we have a royal family. we have the diamond jubilee of the queen one of the great longest serving monarchs of all time. be but -- but we haven't got what we have to talk about. we are coming back to the presidency. tell me what the gay marriage debate does to the real debate in america which is the economy. it's all well president obama saying all this now and creating a furor that will last a week or two. it doesn't help people who are out of work. >> except that you can say something about gay marriage and i'm not sure anyone has any idea how to fix economy. it is something he can do. >> i've got this clip. it made me laugh so much. we have a royal family and prince charles -- the next king of england for reasons no one can be sure of read the weather on national television in great britain. it is startingle. >> we head toward the end of the week. this afternoon it will be cold, wet and windy across most of scotland. we're under the influence of low pressure and this weather front is bringing cloud and outbreaks of rain. >> i have no idea what he is doing. he is the future king of england and he turned out to be a good weatherman. he understood when it was bad weather he was more somber. he cracked a few self deprecating jokes. >> he did okay with the blue screen. that is not easy unless the palace is blue screen. >> co-you like this idea of world leaders reading the weather? >> i think that is what we should do. i think obama and romney should each do the weather. as long as you let ron paul and gary johnson try it too you won't let them into the debates but please let them at least read the weather. >> as always come back soon. >> coming up exclusive information on george zimmerman that may change your mind about the man. 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>> well, we miss him. we're excited to keep the legacy going, the music going. but we miss him so much. but it's something he would want us to do to keep it going. and i guess the challenge, right, guys, was to decide what music we were going to do. >> and the fans wanted us to tour. we got e-mails from the fans around the world. i think we owe it to them as well. they want to sing the songs with us and entertain. >> i think with the brothers and each of us have our own reason how we feel on stage without our brother on there. for all these years when we're on stage he was there. now i think about he is no longer here but in spirit he is with us. >> i agree with marlon with what he was saying. what is beautiful about the tour is that we are doing some of the venues we played prior to motown, the apollo theater -- >> we started there. >> so many shows prior to michael. we know he will be there. >> six shows a day. >> six shows a day? is that right? >> yes. >> we'll come back to michael later but when you think of the jacksons is that you guys never really had a childhood. this thing exploded when you were young and you have all in some way been damaged by that fact. you never had the chance to be normal. i have only just met three of you now and you seem remarkably undamaged on the outside and happy guys. i'm not looking at you people and thinking you guys are damaged. >> what is abnormal? >> that is a good point. >> my theory on that is i think that my father prepared us for manhood. you are only a child up to 18 but you have the rest of your life to be men. and he prepared us to be men for 40 or 50 years. >> has he had too hard rap? >> i feel so, for sure. absolutely. >> i can tell you now i have done an interview with your mother which is airing on monday which is an extraordinary interview. she's an extraordinary woman but of the many things she said it was the defense of her husband, your father which was so moving. where you grew up you had a choice as parents you let your kids run riot and go out on the streets or you got a grip of your children and disciplined your children and gave them another life. >> gave us chores to do. yeah. >> do you feel your father went too far on occasion or now that you are older and you have kids yourself do you get it? >> i get it totally. when you are a kid you feel your kid has gone too far because you are a kid. but when you look back he's done a wonderful job. look where we are. >> i think when you have so many kids in the family. i mean we have -- 11 of us in the home in gary, indiana. so somewhere along the way you have to have a grip on the family. and he saw something in -- let me rephrase that. my mom saw something in her kids that my father did not see and that is that they have some talent. after convincing them and once she did that then it was on for us. >> when you say that -- as you sit here now in your late 50s and -- you are the oldest right? >> i'm the oldest. you are weathering well. how old are you? >> 61. >> 58. >> 55. >> 57. >> you are all aging well. like a fine bottle of wine. what i'm thinking. again i come back to your upbringing. we can come to what happened next a little later. but do you think when you see your father now he's an extraordinary iconic figure in american entertainment. he's the guy who has always had the mean tough guy reputation. brutalizing his children, driving to fame and fortune. the more i talk to people around your family the less i feel that. he just wanted you guys to come out of life well. >> he got behind us. he supported us. >> how do you get along with him now? >> very well. >> he kept us busy. he used to work two jobs. we had cylinder blocks in the backyard. hundreds of them. we had to move them from one side of the yard to the other side. that took all day. he was keeping you out of the streets. >> what are the values he instilled in you? >> so many. >> respect other people is the main one. >> be honest and doing what you're told to do exactly how you're told to do it. and just be -- just the discipline. >> your mother said to me -- this is not airing until monday so it's in reverse but it cell -- is relevant. she despairs in raising children today. she felt strongly there is not enough discipline. >> i don't think kids today respect adults the way they did when we were coming up as kids. i think that's important. i see kids today that don't step aside and le