welcome, everybody. our "starting point" is this breaking news. two american tourists have been kidnapped in dahab, egypt, in the sinai region. the kidnappers, it appears, are trying to negotiate some sort of prisoner exchange. jill daugherty joins us. what do we know? >> the state department is in touch with the families of these two people. names have not been given. they're 31 years old. the state department is providing counselor services and they are in touch and working very closely with egyptian authorities to try to resolve this. essentially, what happened, these two people, two americans in a car on their way to a resort at dahab. you mentioned that name. it's a former fishing village. apparently really a lovely site, place for snorkeling and diving. and so they were on their way. their car is stopped. they're yanked out of the car and taken away. it appears that the people who did that want the release -- the demand is for the release of an egyptian man who was arrested with a large amount of drugs. so, presumably, could be negotiations trying to get them free. this, soledad, is a good example of some of the problems happening after the fall of hosni mubarak, an area that doesn't have a lot of resources. there's a lot of resentment against the central government. and it has happened before. remember back in february, there were a couple of americans briefly kidnapped. happened to some chinese workers. so it's turning into a bad situation there. >> we're continuing to watch that situation. thanks very much for that update. let's turn to christine romans with the day's headlines. good morning, christine. >> good morning, soledad. five people are dead after a gunman goes on a shooting spree in seattle. a sixth victim suffered fatal injuries. the gunman took his own life as the police zeroed in. it has been plagued by a wave of gun violence this year. 20 homicides in all of 2011. so far this year, they've already had 19. indiana high school senior finds out this morning if she'll be stuck in mexico the next three years. elizabeth olivas is class valedictorian and is supposed to deliver a graduation speech saturday. she has lived in indiana since she was 4 years old but was born in mexico and never became an american citizen. the law are required she return to mexico within 118 days of her 18th birthday but got there one day late. now she's banned from returning to the u.s. unless she's granted a waiver this morning at the u.s. consulate in juarez. we'll talk to elizabeth next hour on "starting point." space x capsule released from the international space station this morning. deorbit is scheduled for this morning. splashdown is expected before noon. hernandez is expected in the death of etan patz 33 years old. the 53-year-old hernandez confessed to murdering patz, the 6-year-old boy who disappeared in 1979. he is charged with murder and now is on suicide watch at a new york hospital. mark zuckerberg, no longer one of the world's very rich people. he has been enjoying his honeymoon in italy, face book stock has been dropping, the company lost a quarter of its stock market value and zuckerberg has now fallen off bloomberg's top 40 index. the stock closed at $28.19 yesterday, soledad. >> terrible thing to have to tell him. the good news is that you're still worth $14 billion. it's not so bad. >> that's a lot of billions. >> christine, thanks. obama campaign is launching a new attack strategy this morning after weeks of hitting mitt romney for his work at bain capit capital, the obama administration is now taking aim at his record as governor of massachusetts. trying to discredit the republican nominee's time spent there. david axelrod will be leading a news conference in front of the state house in boston to try to push that message as well. joining me this morning, obama supporter and massachusetts governor, democrat duvall patrick. nice for seeing you, governor. thanks for being with us. >> good morning, soledad. thanks for having me. >> it's our pleasure. why the shift away and off bain and focused on romney's job that you now have? was there some backlash certainly among the surrogates? >> first of all, it's never been about bain but whether governor romney has accomplished in either the private or public sector the kinds of things he said he wants to do for the nation as president. he sold us, soledad, the very same lines that he is offering now in his campaign for president. but it just didn't happen. he talked about more jobs. we were 47th in the nation out of 50 in job creation in a good economy. he talked about slimming down government. in fact, it grew. he talked about fiscal discipline. instead, he left a deficit. >> governor, let me dig into some of those numbers. 47th in the nation in job creation. if you look at the massachusetts tax foundation, which is using the statistics from the bureau of labor statistics, when the governor came in to office 150,000 jobs had gone in the recession, obviously, as you well know. dot com bubble had burst. >> right. >> once he was in office for roughly 12 months, the state stopped losing jobs. by the time he left office he regained those lost jobs plus, they say, 31,000 incremental jobs. so a net gain of 31,000 jobs. >> let me be clear, soledad. >> is that wrong? >> i didn't say he didn't add any jobs. in a good economy, we were growing third from the bottom compared to other states around the country. that's no longer true. when he said that, for example, he was going to make government smaller, it is a fact that he added more people to the workforce. he said he was going to show us fiscal discipline. it's a fact that he left a $1.1 billion deficit. these aren't attack points. they're just facts. and when we talk about what he's trying to sell to the american people as his agenda and his experience when he's running for president, we ought to be able to look at those facts. >> here say clip about debt in massachusetts. let's play a little of that. >> we accumulated the greatest debt buildup of any state in the country. that's after a campaign promise to do exactly the opposite. >> his debt to pay for annual operations cost, like paying your rent on your credit card. that was mitt romney's plan for paying the way we maintained our highways and cleaned our streets. >> the romney campaign would argue isn't really the debt ceiling fight about this very thing? this is what president obama is doing, too, right? you use debt and money that is essentially borrowed to pay for the costs you need for everyday living. isn't that a fair slam on the president? >> well, i think i heard the clip, but the point is that the -- there's debt that we use to finance infrastructure, long-term expenses, the same way that people take debt for a mortgage, for example, for their home or debt that we use for operating expenses. in a state as you know, soledad, you have to balance the budget. being able to run a deficit for operating purposes is not a very good idea. we had a structural deficit here when romney left. it's gone today, i'm happy to say. >> let me ask you about taxes and fees. this is a big part of the clip you've released online. let's play that first and we'll talk about that on the other side. >> he raised our taxes by raising our fees. >> but a rose by any other name is absolutely still a rose. fees are an increase out of the pockets of every massachusetts resident. that's a tax. >> are those fees today still in place? or when you came in as governor did you say those fees are unfair? we're being nickelled and dimed? let's get rid of them. >> many of them are still in place. about a quarter billion -- excuse me, three-quarters of a billion, soledad, in additional fees. the gas tax was also raised. the question is not whether they went up or went down. the question is whether as a philosophical point of view you believe that fees and taxes ought to fund the services that people say they want. and governor romney says that the solution to our economic woes is to cut taxes and fees. by the way, that's never been born out historically, but he didn't actually do it when he was here. >> but you still have these same fees so if philosophically you think fees are phil soosophical the bad way to mimic taxes, why not rescind the fees? >> well, in fact, in some cases we have. in others, we've had to increase them. but we have never hidden behind a suggestion that we weren't doing that. that we weren't trying to fund the services people say they need. that's a point of integrity. that's not a point of the good or bad of raising fees. i'm just saying that governor romney has made the point that he didn't raise taxes. in fact, he did raise the gas tax. from the perspective of the taxpayers, fees are a tax. >> the polls are narrowing the gap between president obama and the former governor romney. romney is up 13 points. president obama is down -- >> on a national level? >> specifically if you look at women, the president down seven points among women. he's till ahestill ahead, the p, that is. why do you think he's losing women, president obama? >> you're asking the wrong person, soledad. i don't care about the polls. >> oh, please. yes, you do. i have never in my whole life heard a politician say honestly they don't care about the polls. come on. >> if you've been listening to me, i say it all the time. the pundits and the pollsters trying to tell us what is going to happen from day-to-day is a lot less important than connecting with the concerns, the anxieties and the as enti aspirations of the american people in time for election day and beyond. that's why i'm supporting president obama. is he about governing for the long term, not the next poll, not the next election cycle, not the next news cycle. that is a real difference between what the president is offering to the american people and what governor romney offered to massachusetts while he was here. >> you might be the only person on both campaigns who is not paying attention to the polls, sir. governor deval patrick, thank you, sir. also has a new book called "faith in the dream." thank you, governor. two americans have been kidnapped at gun point. we'll update you on their situation. plus the secret charles manson tapes. police getting their hands on eight hours of recordings. could they reveal more murders committed by manson? 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[ female announcer ] weak, damaged hair needs new aveeno nourish+ strengthen. active naturals wheat formulas restore strength for up to 90% less breakage in three washes. for strong, healthy hair with life, new aveeno nourish+ strengthen. morning. welcome back, everybody. we start with breaking news. two americans have been kidnapped overseas. two american tourists taken at gun point, apparently, in the town of dahab in egypt's sinai region. the embassy says they're in close contact with authorities, trying to resolve the situation as quickly as they possibly can. jill dougherty