abby phillip starts right now to president's two speeches to alternate realities. that's tonight on newsnight good evening. >> i'm abby philip in new york tonight to stories with very different tones from the men who were vying for the same job. first, the sobering president's biden's of appeal to end the violence in gaza hamas is hobbled biden says, and the time to end this war is now. biden announcing a path forward for tomorrow. and the day after, in hopes of a lasting peace. now, to the response from donald trump to his conviction on 34 counts in his home state of new york trump pulled out some of his best words, rigged, scammed, et cetera to describe how the hush money case mostly papering over the fact that this jury of his own peers found him guilty of breaking the law that trump's words today also clash with the trump in all of our memories once upon a time, he claimed that hillary clinton couldn't run, shouldn't run for president because of the specter of a trial that would break the government she shouldn't be allowed to run if she were to win this election. >> it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment. and ultimately a criminal trial. >> it would grind government to a halt now trump claims that his own conviction as a sign that the system is corrupt, not him a, case where if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. these are bad people. these are in many cases, i believe sick people now, in 2016, it was lock her up she should be locked up. dahlia right now for what she's done, they should lock her up. >> hillary clinton will be under investigation. locker up is right. how guilty is she? >> if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because you'd be in jail than in 2020. it was lock him up come up, you shouldn't lock them up lock up now, in 2024, it's how could they even think about locking me up it's a rigged it was a rigged trial. >> we wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial we didn't get it we wanted a judge change. we wanted a judge. it wasn't conflicted and obviously he didn't do that president biden was asked about the trial today and gave a pretty much just the facts recitation of the process it was a process that owed respect in his view this juror is chosen the same way. every jury and america's chosen was a process that donald trump's attorney was part of the jury heard five weeks of evidence, five weeks after careful deliberation, the jury reached a unanimous verdict they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts now only be given the opportunity as he should two pill that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity that's how the american system of justice works. >> he already heard trump, but make no mistake. this is not just him. if you happen to flip over to fox tonight, you saw this across the bottom of the screen. quote, biden convicts trump than smirks that's just a lie. 12 jurors convicted trump, and there's no proof that biden had anything to do with it, but if you listen to republicans, like soldiers, they are falling in line. they're making promises of payback and talking about a country that's in tatters that's what it feels like. yeah, a banana republic. >> i have a travel advisory put new york city a very conservative or a republican or trump supporter. beware, i think lawfare is far too soft. it's far too nine. this is warfare. >> i think it may be the undoing of our country. >> i think this will not only solidify the base, it will radicalize it. >> we're not going to go down that we're going to get back up we're going to regain our strength and then we're going to vanquish the evil forces that are destroying this republic that's a discuss we've got our panel here in new york is it dangerous for republicans to be doing what they're doing right now, biden called it dangerous there's and reckless. >> is that how you see it it's absolutely dangerous because if nothing else is going to hold the country together is going to be the rule of law. >> we're going to make sure that we have courts that are going to be independent and make sure that someone who has authoritarian principles is not gonna be able to use those authoritarian ways to take over donald trump, who has said he was suspend the constitution. he said he would be a dictator on day one the thing that down trump has met this week is that the courts have finally hold him accountable in a way that no other institution in the country has. and i think he is wrestling personally, it seems he's wrestling with that. we as a country now have to wrestle with what do we do was to dana jurors politician. and how do we make sure that he stays out of the white house? and that's the biden campaign. >> robert odin, i mean, a lot of people disagree with this verdict. they just agree with the case, but to say what some of these folks are saying, i mean, is that dangerous in your view? >> i still believe in have faith and trust in the criminal justice system. >> there are problems with the criminal justice system i think it's we look we used to be a country where when there is a trial victory the victor was magnanimous and the loser, while not necessarily agreeing with the result. >> at least came to respect the fact that a result was delivered. i were talking about i think is working within the system. he has every as the president biden, i think correctly said donald trump has an appeal like everybody else, but the fact of the matter is when this whole process started more than a year ago now before the new york district attorney's office, i said then and also with regard to the other three cases that the country is going to rue the day that we've ever traveled down this road. i still think it was an exceedingly bad idea. if you listen to todd blanche last night, i mean, they got discovery in this case that indicated that after donald trump announced for the presidency, he, alvin bragg in panel a grand jury less than two months after that announcement. this is unavoidably going to be tainted with politics i don't particularly like that result but it's just so whether they bought the case or not, you have to acknowledge whether this case should have been brought. it was and it was 12 jurors who decided this case. and i believe i'm going to turn you have to believe in our judicial system. i have to believe that when we bring in jurors who don't know each other have different backgrounds. they come together here. all of that information, pore over for days, four days, they were in they're asking for follow-up questions we have to trust what they saw, what they heard, and the opinion that they came out with if we don't trust that, then the system doesn't exist. but it's not improper. jury. it's not in property challenge. there's nothing wrong as part of that appellate process. nothing wrong with challenging the fed is nothing political about it either. no, a jury. there is something political about the fact that donald trump isn't a unique situation. he's a candidate for office. >> he believes that this process was not fair. >> you can use the adjective rage or just stay out of the negative connotations and just say that he hasn't a legitimate appellate argument that he did not receive a fair trial. there were rulings that were made in this case. i think many observers have question whatever the results may be, but i do believe to answer your question, the way to handle that is not to just sort of drift rogue out of the process. i think the legal system and the constitutional system is capable. your point is capable of handling this in the appropriate way. there's going to be an appeal. unfortunately, that appeal obviously is not going to be resolved by the time the election occurs. and there's implications to what happened here. that's going to affect the election. >> one of your arm to your point, robert, i mean, it's moving beyond the legal system. it's not like these folks are saying, okay, let's go through the appellate process marco rubio, senator, maybe one time vp contender says it's time to fight fire with fire, you've got tucker carlson saying that trump will win and anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family and other right-wing commentator, matt walsh says that trump should make a list of democrats to arrest when he takes office. and the first on that list should be joe biden i mean, this is well beyond the scope of the legal system and these folks are basically saying, forget about the legal system. >> this is a public perception problem. it's an education problem. so trusting the judicial process means you have to understand the judicial process. i mean, one of the things to know here is that donald trump's team got to select which jurors they did not want to be a part of this process if they thought they were going to be biased, this went through all the right systems. but when you have an echo chamber society, it doesn't matter if you're going through all the right systems, if they're listening to these types of voices discount the process that's what they're going to believe. and by the way, let's take a look at the media from last night during the 5pm hour when this verdict was announced, where did the vast majority of americans tuned in fox news then followed by the other nic, cable and broadcast networks. i think it just shows you that where our attention lies is where we're getting our perception and that's going to shape potentially what happens november every were also in a really delicate time politically. and so we know that there are right-wing sites are talking about doxxing the jurors, finding their information and putting it out. we know they're talking about going after alvin bragg. we saw the former president in us states going after the judge himself on when he was in the middle well, if his press conference, these are all things at a time we were at a set a delicate moment there could be something more than just a judicial process that could be something violent. and we've got to become luck. we have a july 11 sentencing and the issue is going to be whether this is going to be a talk of prison or something else. >> what do you think? >> i think he should go to prison he's a convicted felon with 34 counts. and when you look at this case, when i'm representing someone and i go into the sentencing, there's things that i bring up that will make a judge give me the minimum sentence or even relaxed from what the minimum is. those things aren't here for trump. you can't say here he's remorseful. you'd have to say he's in the same he was convicted 34 felonies for a case that involves trying to influence an election. he's now running in an election that's like me saying my client is convicted of being a bank robber. but judge, don't sit in a jail because he has to go to a banking convention. >> i mean, if you're do that, todd blanche was on top hello, vision again was actually very soberly saying, we really hope that judge merchan is going to look at the law and is going to not give him a prison sentence and trump though, is really not doing anything to make his lawyers lives easier when it comes to that, i mean, is there anything that can be done? >> only every done, but he's in the middle of a campaign to so everything he has to say has to be viewed not just through the lens of what an ordinary defendant might say in connection with a sentencing, but also there's a public platform here and he's running for office and with all due respect, the other half of the country doesn't agree with you with regard to this. >> so i'm and i'll just say the first and foremost, because i wasn't as clear as i should've been last night. that is not meant to suggest or to send any signal to anybody by me that i can don't. violence with regard to any of this. i still have great faith. i've spent my entire professional life in the pursuit of justice as a defense lawyer and as a prosecutor and as an independent council working within our constitutional system, i intend to continue to do that and i have said from the beginning of this thing, even though i don't agree with this prosecution and i think that there are some real fundamental questions about whether or not donald trump got a fair trial but nevertheless, that prison sentence, i don't i don't and i think it's nuts to suggest otherwise, but fine. let you put up the thing about what was said in the past and i guess we're going to go through this sort of for tat takeaway to exercise. some are president, what argument do you have that will make this, judge say, i'm the prison sentence generally right here i'll come on the books and records to books and records may be a first-time offender who 77-years-old with regard to go to with regard to an e felony. >> well, first of all, you can talk about any sentence you want. it ain't going to happen. and if it were imposed, it's certainly not going to be is not going to run hey, there not lie to anybody. i can apply the law, not going to run during the pendency of this campaign because it would interfere with an election. and anybody who thinks that that's going to be allowed is going to get a lesson in a hurry from the supreme court about the supremacy clause. they will step in. let me ask you this what is the one-on-one? >> grounds? because todd blanche talked about this too. yeah. going straight to the supreme court. what grounds with this room card take the sat if they if there's if there are conditions either of through imprisonment or probation, that interfere with a candidate who's running for president and? his ability to run for office? they're going to put a stop to it temporarily. temporarily is no longer in that situation. yeah, of course. i'm not suggesting that he wouldn't ultimately be subject to justice, but presidents are unique. and people running for president are you he could have probation and we'd have to check him with his probation officer before he moves in eastern data does anything outside of new york state theoretically so but if it becomes onerous and it interferes with his ability to run, that's not an interference just with a candidate that's an interference with the electorate. >> and i'm tabbing here, he deserves to go to jail. >> this is what's going to step is clear. >> he deserves to go to jail question is whether or not it's the best thing for our democracy friend go to jail and it's something i think i think you have somebody to do that even if he should go sarah verse real quick. i mean, fox news is really pushing the extremes of this as per usual. but they've been burned by this stuff in the past with the big lie in 2016 are they venturing into that territory? >> no. i think they know where the line is now because they lau's a $787,000,000 loss, they've got lawyers all over it. they're not venturing into this territory. they're not calling calling something, saying you don't agree with the trial is very different than saying that an election was unfairly stolen but we duplicate it, say that biden convicted trump is also ally? >> yes, it is. why it's misleading 100%. and i think that i think that they know where the line is and what you're seeing is that they're going to toe and get up as close as they possibly can, because that's what's good for ratings and that's what's good for their audiences. >> the challenge though, abby, is that what's different now versus after 2020 is there's actually a lot less energy around this i mean, look at the television ratings, look at, i look at media all the time, like the digital clicks and all of that. >> there are some interests in this, and that's because we're not just in of course, his first criminal case. yeah. us but we have four indictments later. right? people are exhausted from it and i think that it's just fox is not going to have the same outcome that they didn't 2020, but they need a better argument that's saying somebody was convicted of trying to influence an election. but be lenient on him so he can run in another election that doesn't make sense to me we're going to we're going to hear a part of it is $50 million that he raised as a result of the of the conviction. that's definitely going to be a factor in the selection, everyone. thank you very much. great discussion coming up next for us. chris wallace will join me about how the vp contenders are now flocking on television to fill and those very flames you've been talking about. plus bill maher on his surprising prediction for the next election. and also what voters think about that verdict and what happens now franklin's joins me how many of you really thought that donald trump was innocent? >> raise your hands this year the. one thing republicans and democrats have been common, they're both waiting for their nominees 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