him presidential medal of freedom. but i i think it's pretty static, it pretty fixed out to it, but >> day i do think it will have an opaque effect on 90, 22% of republicans primaries or not, trump, i think it's can make them different make it difficult for them to vote for trump. and it might be a pointer to that thank you very, very much. we got to run i wolf blitzer in the situation room. >> thanks very much for watching the newest continues next on cnn tonight are 360, the former president unloads on the verdict that made him a convicted felon. and republicans join him and attacking the criminal justice system. what's ahead and his case in new polling on the political impact. also tonight, someone who knows what it's like to get inside his head or to the deal goes right? et are 20 schwartz and how his former subject may handle the days ahead and breaking news, the details of president biden's new ceasefire proposal for gaza, the timing of it and the reception. it's getting. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with what comes next legally, politically and otherwise, now that donald trump is a convicted felon, both he and president biden weight in today. the present then very briefly, the former president at great length more than a half-hour. this morning at trump tower this is a scam. there's a rigged trial it shouldn't have been in that venue. we shouldn't have had that, judge you saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our sayyed, they were literally crucified by this man. who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil. hush money, hush money. it's not hush money. it's called that nondisclosure agreement and it all comes out of the white house crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of our country. he's the worst president in the history of our country his former lawyer and fixer prosecution witness michael cohen called his old boston's performance today a quote, crazy avalanche, a broken brain word manure, from a factual standpoint that often stated claimed that president biden was somehow behind the trial is simply fall something the president underscore today it was a state case, not a federal case and it was heard by a jury of 12 citizens 12 americans 12 people like you after careful deliberation the jury reached a unanimous verdict they found down trump guilty on all 34 felony counts now it'd be given the opportunity as he should two appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity that's how the american system of justice works. >> and it's reckless. is dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged. just because they don't like the verdict congressional republicans meantime, many of whom identify and campaign on being tough on crime and supporters of law enforcement, or almost unified and their condemnation, not just the verdict, but also the justice system but under joe biden, the weaponization of the justice system has become front and center in this election cannot say that this trial was anything more than politics, masquerading as justice. i did not think it was a fair trial at all or you have a district attorney that literally ran on convicting donald trump. that's a problem. >> problem how she shared chair jim jordan subcommittee on so-called weaponization of the federal government. >> today announced it wants manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and one of the trial prosecutors to appear for hearing next month. several republicans centers today's signed a letter saying they quote, are unwilling to aid and abet this white house and will not allow expedited consideration and passage of democratic legislation. and mike johnson's speaker of the house. second line of succession to the presidency went on fox this morning. he said something striking given his role and what the constitution says about separation of powers between the three branches of government i. do believe this supreme court should step in. i think that the justices on the court, i know many of them personally. i think they're deeply concerned about that as we are so i think they'll set this straight. >> i'll keep them honest. there's no indication this room court is going to get involved in trump's felony convictions, and there's certainly no precedent for their involvement either. joining us now his new york criminal defense attorney, arthur aidala, with us as well tonight, retired new york judge george iso, also former manhattan chief assistant district attorney, karen friedman, agnifilo, who recently interviewed michael cohen for her podcasts and full disclosure, her law firm represents him, but she does not work on that case. and there are no restrictions in which you can say about the trump case which i heard something you had said i wanted to ask you about, um, you were in the court every single day you were there for the guilty verdict. guilty verdicts as well. >> you don't rule out jail time for donald trump. i absolutely no so on the one hand, we look at this and we can say it's an e felony, the lowest level of felony, it's non-violent. we have a 77-year-old convicted felon here without a prior record. so that would all obviously way towards non-cost ration on the other hand, judges, the judges waiting now for about six weeks, he's going to get a pre-sentencing report. they're working on it now. i think i mean, looking as he learned anything as he because he contrite, what we just saw, what we saw it together there. so it kinda like x that to me most serious is this is not the typical falsification of business records. kay said with all you'd think of them as like the average person. my thing was like a green eye shade kind of thing, like and an accountant putting a book in the wrong drawer or something like that. this is the connection crime here. the object crime was a violation of new york election law 34, 34 separate felony counts where or the jury found unanimously, then new york state election law was violated. who likes to rant and rave constantly about election interference, election interference. well, the guy who is just convicted of 34 counts essentially for of election interference in an election in 2016 that was actually close enough that the actions he stands convicted of could have turned out electron and that's about a serious as it gets. and if i were the judge, i'm not saying i would i would impose jail, but i would strongly consider it the max is four years. it doesn't have to be jail time. so you could these got a lot of rain, j. it could do like 60 days jail and three years probation to send a message about how serious it would be weekend's in jail, entity service, pick-up, pick up trash on the subway. >> karen, i mean, do you think it's a possibility? >> i think it's a possibility. look, i think i just adding to everything that the judge just said is also the fact that he was held in contempt ten different times in front of this, judge. i mean, did you that in a normal case would actually be taken into consideration? is that well, that's all state for the fact that trump was treated differently in this case. he was treated far more leniently than any other defendant who would have been put in jail like contempt number two or three. >> i can't wait to talk. i just can't wait to talk because i couldn't disagree with you more. >> why if you look at the median sentence on an e felony nonviolent 77-year-old person with no record whatsoever in a crime, anderson, where they're not talking about stealing millions of dollars or any kind of massive corruption that's taken little old ladies healing they would not prove it wasn't proven that he stole the election. >> it was defined it unanimously. if you read the jury charge fine unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt that there was that they stole that there was election interference, but we're able to attend. >> okay. there was an intent to an intense two. i want to know how many people in the united states of america who voted for donald trump would not have voted for him had they found out that when he was extorted by stormy daniels? he entered into a non-disclosure agreement and paid her up. and the judge already said, during we will never know that, but they were certainly earned enough to have gone ahead. yes. and commit robbery. >> did judge the judge said i don't want to put you in jail, mr. trump, you are the presumptive nominee of the republican party and a press president. i don't want to put you in jail. and if alvin bragg dares to ask for jail time after on the first day of him being in office, he put out a memo about how soft he wasn't crying to the degree three, that it took, judge. it drove this judge to leave the bench or prestigious position he had to run for district attorney in queens. as he goes, he thought crime was going with going crazy alvin bragg said, i want you to find alternative school parts or ratios on robbery on this. >> and now on this old man he's a judge. what do you me that i got tears in my eyes got it done. i got to collect my father break on violin let me the judge 34 felony counts involving a crime constituting a conspiracy to use unlawful means to impact on 34 felony. >> let's not forget the 2016 election can i believe it was 40,000 votes in michigan and wisconsin, 80,000 votes three swing states and they, and we know through the testimony of 20,000 votes, i think in wisconsin, and we know the testimony of hope hicks, who who felt so bad about her testimony, sheep sheep spontaneously broke down crying. she was the inside out path for the jury to know exactly what a panic mode that the trump campaign was in when the access hollywood story broke and she got the email in trump tower, october 7 of 2016, and trump was practicing for the debate. they were in they were in brief all they were in panic. the rnc was talking about replacing trump judging, you will we were not going to settle this. >> we get we get your position. what would you think that blanche will go for on an appeal? and what will they try to focus on. so i think that a couple of things i think they will they will take an approach where they will try to appeal everything that they talk about all the time that the judge is conflicted and should have recused. what do you think is the best avenue for it? >> i think there's really there really is only one appellant issue that i think has substance and that is one that has potential merit is the jury charge regarding the thing we're talking about with the election and what was the object crime that made this a felony it's complicated and the number one area of reversal in dork is in jury charge because that's that it can be very tricky and you have to get it exactly right. and uses as arthur has arthur has repeatedly stated, this is a, this is creating something out of a new claw. >> well slightly slight so i do think that is one area that has some merit and some validity. >> i don't think it's going to be reversed, but i think it's genuinely legitimate substantive issue that will be taken very seriously by the you agree with that? >> absolutely i'm going to add to that. >> i also think i knew you would that's my job. i also think whoever is trump's attorneys at the appellate level, you have to look at the inception of this agitated because that's the grand slam. what karen said, what give trump a new trial. but if he wanted to hit get a grand slam and have it dismissed, he would have to go back and say, the way this case was charged. so uniquely, taking mr. i mean, there's out of the statue of limitations and bringing them backend as felonies in the statute limitations is something that the appellate court has to look at and say, is this well, how we want to treat every citizen in the state of new york arthur aidala. >> thank you, judge grass. so carefree magnaflow as well. >> the political impact now some new polling from reuters, ipsos and appears to show public and voters doing republican lawmakers have been doing since the verdict, namely falling in line take a look at the row in the middle of the screen post-conviction 14% say they would not vote for the former president pretrial, 24% said they would not vote for him if you were convicted felon said another way, republicans in this bowl say they are now more likely to vote for the former president's since he became a felon cohen joining us now to cnn, political commentators from the right and left respectively, david urban and van jones. >> van, i mean, you see republican support for the former president has grown post-conviction at least in that poll. should the biden campaign be worried about a similar effect you think in swing voters? >> oh i think it's predictable. first of all let's not forget, this was not the strong case. this is not, this is not a donald trump leading an insurrection against democracy. this is not donald trump stealing sensitive documents that have eyes still in the white house. i'd be an guantanamo. this isn't all the abuse of women cases. this was the hush money case, false she records around some sex stuff. when bill clinton got impeach for stuff like that, he went up ten points. and so it's not surprising that you're seeing this kind of effect but i think that democrats should let the republicans fan and fainting act like they're acting and they won't have january 6 every day tearing down american institutions and saying isn't corrupt. but we've got to get back to talking about stuff broglie americans care about this, this case was not going to be the case that brought donald trump's numbers down. it will always gonna be the case that brought them up. >> david maria, former president trump, and his allies blasting the justice system as partisan weaponized against republicans how do you square that with prison? biden son standing trial on gun charges in federal court next week week. and for that matter, democratic senator bob menendez, standing trial on federal bribery charges in manhattan yeah, i think both things can be true, can't anderson this case was kind of zombie case. >> our colleague elie honig wrote a great piece that's appeared today in new york magazine, which i would implore everyone to read about. how. this was cobbled together in a bespoke fashion by incredibly political district attorney. he won't prosecute other cases, but chose to revive this case. so i don't i don't see this happening a lot of a lot of stickiness as you pointed out in the poll, i think republicans will fall in line. they're going to be more inclined to support trump. he saw a historic fundraising day-to-day stork in one day raised over $50 and interestingly, 30% of filing nurse but are now okay. okay. well, they're generally don't lie about those things again, verifying pretty shortly, but over 30% of those new, those new donors excuse me, are those donors are new people, new new, new, and to the polls, putting money into, into their, from their coffers, into the campaign. and so if there's so motivated to open their checkbooks and support donald trump in campaigning. >> they're going to be, i think aqueous motivated to show up at the polls come november. >> and so i do think it'd be a little bit of a bounce as van said clinton got a bounce. i think trump will, but we're gonna get, we're gonna get back to this substance here. we're going to have a debate and june cnn's going to host it. i look forward to the saying, president trump talk about the issues and if he sticks to that, i think it'll be clear sailing to november, then there's the other order. those questions about lena, where will the nikki haley voters go? i mean, nikki haley? he was getting back to president trump for the former president. >> i mean, why won't those, all those people who continue to vote for nikki haley in primaries follow her lead and go back to the former president. well, i mean, the derrick has gotten to go with good reason. he part of what's going on now is a donald trump is pulling off this trick of on the one hand, coming across as the underdog who's beleaguered. he's the martyr everybody's against me and kind of getting the sympathy vote at the same time. he's a top dog. he's these bees like this, almost like mob boss figure inside the republican party that makes everybody come and kisses rang and kisses to, because you're in this weird underdog top dog kind of thing. and it's working for him right now and what's going to happen is once we get further into the summer and we have the debates and we have the conventions. democrats got to refocus on what we can do to help ordinary people. we are all too focused on donald trump trump is focused on trump and so is everybody else. and so we got to get out of this narcissistic trap. he's put us in and talk about real issues and that's gonna be what moves by, not this stuff i mean, you're prison biden way on the verdict. >> how do you think he should approach to this and coming months me know, yeah. how should i am ben? how do you think anything but i think i think by i think biden did did find a day because he's the biden should defend american institution then that jury defend the judges defend the witnesses used to defend american institutions and then move on to talk about the american people and that other people talk about donald trump trump's david. do you think speaker johnson, tim scott, congressman jordan, all the other electrode republicans who rushed condemned the verdict would have opposed prosecuting. for example, brock obama, feed falsified business records to cover up a hush money payment hey man or they were all the ones chanting lock hillary clinton well, no, i know this, this this alvin bragg case that's really bad precedent because to your point, what what if this happened exactly in a in a texas courtroom with a texas a really read district attorney. this opens a pandora's box in the future, which i'm afraid aid that you're going to find some crazy person is going to pursue alvin bragg campaigned on you. no one's going to be able to have sex with a porn star. and then pay somebody to cover it up about this case is about this case is about how you file something to your checkbook. >> this is not about all those other things that may be the flashy, sexy stuff this is about documents. this is a really boring case at its heart and the american people i think kind of shrug their shoulders by next week, this will be cut off the front pages until it won't be again in july 11 three days before the republican convention your previous guests, the judge is delusional. think that he thinks that donald trump's could have served prison time you might as well just hand it election that too. i the american people would go crazy, going to put donald trump in jail for a case it's a misdemeanor. they're not put people in jail who are robin stores in new york. it's insane. >> even ban would oppose that. >> but under first-in, first step back, van would be participating in asking for the release of donald trump then and then we've got to go i agree that he's not going to jail. >> anybody says he's going to jail, paying attention the way i gets didn't say he is going to just was talking about the various legal aspects. >> said he could go to jail because maybe conceivably, yes. anything by law? yes, he could go to jail. he also could be conceivably grow hair. >> it's not going to have that is because i'm not sure which one i placed bets on. >> like david urban, van jones, guys. thank you very much coming up next and assessment of what this conviction looks like. through the eyes of the convict, tony schwartz, the man who goes wrote the art of the deal, joins us. and later president biden's new ceasefire proposal for the israel-hamas war and how it's being received so far i'm jonathan larson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if your h 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance o