and she's so amazing thanks so much for joining us this afternoon. it'll be sad to say goodbye to pat sajak, but you can say hello to jake tapper is the leader starts right now the themes of the 2024 race today, democracy and revenge, the lead starts right now starkly different messages from two starkly different men, president biden's warning about democracy on the world stage, while donald trump to gain much more personal approach, plus a dramatic turn in the hunter biden gun trial defense scrapping. it's witness list on some level, leaving one major question about the case, yet to be answered. and the judge presiding over one of the most consonant sequential cases in america described as isolated in an experience with judge aileen cannon is really up against as she takes on the criminal classified documents case against donald trump welcome to the lead. >> i'm phil mattingly info jake tapper. it's friday. we start with our world lead and president biden today drawing on the legacy of world war ii hero, he calls for americans to protect democracy. the president returned to normandy, france and visited pointe du hoc. were us army rangers scaled 100 foot cliffs to attack nazi positions on d-day during his speech, president biden suggested those veterans would want their country to defend democracies all around them and at home from occ began to leisure us, began with one person decides to something more important themselves when they decide the person they're serving alongside of some of the look after when they decide the mission matters more than their life the decide that they're contrary matters more than they do now, present biden did not mention donald trump by name, but he made veiled references to trump's isolation as policies and his make america great. again, campaign slogan for his part, donald trump is once again suggesting he would try to prosecute his political opponents if he's reelected, and that would happen in the wake of his criminal convictions in the new york hush money case will revenge does take time. >> i will say that it does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. feel i have to be honest, you sometimes they can with me, new york times correspondent maggie haberman, one of the best source reporters in trump world. we're going to talk with her in just a moment, but we start in france with president biden's warning about democracy cnn, chief international anchor christiane amanpour joins me now from paris, expression, president biden very clearly was trying to walk a fine line here. it's a speech about democracy on the world stage make very clear is trying to stand up to russia's vladimir putin. but the subtext was not subtle. he has a candidate, he's running against and clearly that was a piece of this no, i think it was a piece of it, but i prefer to think that actually in the full light of day of what was happening on d-day and today, he know he was swept up like everybody here was. >> you can be a cynical and his political as you like. but when you come to normandy to that honestly hallowed ground, when you see all those crosses, when you see the cemetery's full of the people who laid down their lives to fight and die, not just for their own country, but to defend democracy and freedom all over the world. and at that time of course two to, as one of the fantasy has dig veterans said to me, 101-year-old jake larson said to kick hitler's out of europe, that is what it was about. and it was about creating a democratic and free world. and of course that is at stake right now. and biden's speeches really encapsulated that both yesterday and today. but as you, as you say correctly, today's was very much directed at an american audience as well and showing the complete different visions between trump, who he didn't mention, and between him. >> yeah, two powerful speeches back-to-back. there's, there's no question about that. he also had a meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in that meeting, bye she apologized for the bitter infighting on capitol hill that delayed that major aid package, that delay something you asked joint chiefs chairman cq brown about enormity. here's what he said. >> do you think they can reverse the advances russia has made? i mean, it was a significant delay and certainly the ukrainians blame that delay for losing men and territory what you, even if you look at what's happened over the course of the past year, i mean, there has not been a dramatic shift in in lines there. but again, we've got to continue to support ukraine and be able to push back against this aggression because it does have an impact, not just for ukraine, not just for europe, but really for the entire world. that's been the message. this isn't just about one country, this isn't just about one fight, it's so much bigger than that as the backdrop i think captures probably better than any that i've seen. but when you talk to advisors to zelenskyy, two ukrainian officials, do they believe president biden when he says still there completely still there are thoroughly look, i think they do and they have to because they know that their survival and their success depends on the goodwill and the large of their allies in america is the biggest in terms of providing weapons. >> europe has been the biggest in terms of providing financial and other kinds of a but this is a fight in which everybody is all in or at least must be as ukraine keeps saying, we are not asking you to come here. unlike getting rid of the third reich when you send your own men and women boots on the ground, that is not what we're asking you to do. we just want the means and we will fight, but we can cannot fight for us or for you with our hands half tied behind our backs and i do think that this this these two days of meetings with zelenskyy in this atmosphere sharpened everybody's minds about exactly what's at stake. and you didn't have the joint chiefs say what he did publicly is important to have biden the apologize publicly to zelenskyy for the delay. the seven months delay which he did, of course, take the opportunity to lay at the feet of the republican obstructionist that handful in congress who refuse to allow it. but again this is a real turning point fill america faces a choice and thus its allies face a choice between an isolationist america, me first, and alone, or an america that continues the proud tradition that it started after world war ii of the international world order and the rules of the game, which basically prevent borders it's changing through force and domination a powerful two days trying to underscore that message. >> christiane amanpour, as always, thanks so much meanwhile on this side of the atlantic, donald trump explicitly suggesting he'd launched revenge tour if he sent back to the white house and your york times, maggie haberman joins me now. my question at this point is not whether or not he's talking about revenge rather or not, he wants revenge. she didn't his first term, he said it repeatedly in this campaign but in the past when he's said it, he's kind of tried to pivot a couple of days later saying no, no. my the real revenge will be the success of the american people as advisers have said, the same thing. they're not even trying to hedge at this point. is that fair? i don't think his advisors, at least some of them are especially happy with how explicit he's being right now. >> but explicit he is being. and i think that we have seen for eight years, people come up with rationalizations for why you shouldn't take him at his word when he is saying what he is going to do. now, he was prevented from doing what he wanted to do at various points when he was president previously and he went into office saying he didn't want to hurt the clintons anymore. but then within months he was talking to jeff sessions. they attorney general, about reopening and investigation into hillary clinton. he wanted john kerry prosecuted and they can go down the list. and so we want james comey prosecuted there is no reason to think that any of those desires would change. and what he is looking for and jonathan swan, charlie savage, and i've written about this is lawyers who will help him get to a yes on various fronts in a second administration, he is talking about eroding the post-watergate norm of justice department independence. and so i don't see any reason why people would not believe him and his allies when they say this? >> can we dig it on this a little bit? because again, to your point i feel like you talked to republicans and the say, well he, said this in the past, so they talked to republicans and say, well, he should be pest about what happened because they don't like the new york case. this is different because of who's going to be around to and the kind of the guardrails that have either been winnowed, diminished, or don't exist anymore if he's in a second for years of office, what authority does he have as president if people say yes to him? >> look, it's the one thing. there are plenty of people who say that he has a right to be upset with the new york case and that they think it shouldn't have been brought in the first place, and that he has a right to be upset with the outcome. number one, in terms of the outcome will never know whether having a better defense plan might have actually won that case, but they didn't really have one. and maybe it wasn't winnable anyway but there's a difference between being upset about the outcome of a case and saying, therefore, i'm going to go after everybody. number one, you have to have bases for crimes who can't just go and manufacturer events. number one, the argument against manhattan cases that the law was contorted in a way to make it possible what he can do is he can order the justice department to open various investigations. again, they would have to have grounds, but they could do that. what is allies are calling for right now is that state attorneys general or local republican district attorneys who might have some overlay with the aspects of current investigations into trump or his allies should therefore open investigations into the investigators. and that is something that we have seen before. remember the dorm investigation was all about investigating the russia investigation into the trump campaign. that's what they're calling for before he gets an office. once he is an office, the doj is sort of a black hole that he you can use. how we've seen from his allies. you guys wrote a great story. u.s. wanted and charlie about his allies are being very explicit about the revenge tour that they would like trump to go on. how serious is he about that? how much is this focal point for him right now? it's very much a focal point for him right now. >> i mean, again, he was sean hannity, who is a trump friend, offered him multiple opportunities to say no, no, no, i don't think that we should use the system against our enemies and trump just wouldn't do it. and he was actually more explicit in that clip you played with dr. phil trump might be tampering somewhat his language publicly, but he is very focused on behind the scenes. he does want to see retribution. he is not in a happy place. >> he said a few times in the wake of his conviction, she'd be okay with prison time. we'd be okay with jail i don't i don't happen to believe that he would be okay with prison time or jail and i don't know very many people who are actually okay with or happy if they could. >> be fair. >> and we're talking about a very complicated notion when it comes to a former president who has a secret service detail. >> but now i do not think donald trump actually wants to be in prison and he's okay with it. >> one of the allies, former allies, coronado is never totally sure that was calling fresh bhushan, steve bannon, like he's headed to jail as woke as for the question, i always have which is how in the loop is he right now, how directly connected to the former president is c. it's a good question. so a couple of things. i mean, i think steve bannon is still hoping that there's going to be some kind of supreme court intervention in his case. so we'll see if that happens. but if not, he is supposed to report to prison on july 1. bannon has both direct contact with trump and during for contact with a lot of people around trump. so he has a bunch of different inputs. but bannon's biggest influence right now comes from his, his podcast, war room, which is incredibly influential and the right-wing ecosystem. >> it it helps set the tone and set the terms of the discussion around what other aspects of the right-wing ecosystem do. >> and so some of it is hearing from trump directly and some of it is the show helping program what trump says when we've spent so much time focused on the trial are focused on $1. trump talks about revenge when you talk to campaign folks right now, it brings a ton of money or the course of alaska weeks. no question. i think republicans have, once again kind of coalesced around him and the. wagon new york case where do they feel like things stand six months out they don't know it look, five months is a very long time electorally. most republican die hard. donald trump republican supporters are adamant that this is going to help him republican strategist who have run in past campaign, run past campaigns would like him to talk about this less they just don't think that this is especially helpful to be talking about the court case are the details or retribution all the time that it can scare swing voters and it can scare others, and it can have a secondary effect, which is that in this climate of threats, of political violence increasing du, people take up on that call? so those are risks has it helped with the money delivery? >> absolutely. in terms of small-dollar support if he gets jail time i'm july 11 when he has his sentencing republicans expected that will help them fundraise dramatically. two and there's no reason not to think that it will, but i don't think anybody thinks that this is something they would have sought out for a general election despite how they might try, correct. foramen, which as you would expect them to try and spend some like that because you were picked up in talking to republicans over the course of the last couple of weeks republicans that i wouldn't expect to like donald trump. i've made very clear they want to support donald trump were outrage after january 6, probably didn't like him his first term. are so mad about the new york case that they're just in a different place now, i think that's true. i mean, i've listened, they're part of the difference between the new york i was talking to somebody about this the other day. if you look at the cases against trump, there's a spectrum that the documents case, the mar-a-lago case in florida. that's really pretty clean cut and that's a traditional application of the law about classified the documents. and more specifically, obstructing the efforts to retrieve them, then there's the j6 federal investigation and the georgia case, which are sort of novel legal theory isn't a manhattan case, which is on its own. there are a lot of people who are very exercised about this now, i think that some of them use that as a justification to get where they wanted to get anyway. but that's where we are important point met last one, i gave him always a pleasure. thanks so much. appreciate it well, up next inside back classified documents case, maggie was just mentioning new cnn reporting on why the judge overseeing that case is described as isolated and inexperience. >> also, once a close ally to the squad, now for sauna non grata to progressives, what former congressman monday or jones did that has him in a fight trying to get back to capitol hill. he'll be here. i'm elite with earth. >> would we have schreiber? 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