you beat meryl streep. for a grammy. so -- there's that. >> if meryl streep comes for it, like if she confronts me and juans the grammy because she should have got the grammy i will just give it to her. she is merle "freaking" streep. right? what will i do? no, no. it is for me? >> i have met and chatted with meryl streep only once and based on that i know she won't do that. the other thing, rachel, is that tomorrow night the georgia senators are going to be making their appearances here on this network. you have i believe senator warnock at 9:00 p.m. >> indeed. ifr senator warnock and you have senator ossoff. >> here at 10:00. >> this bracking news may change that but i'm hoping to have the senator here and this is a night when i feel like there's 40 stories developing at the same rate but i hope to have him to believe indeed. >> we'll see if that does happen. thank you, rachel. thank you very much. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. well, how many timothy mcveighs attacked the capitol on january 6th? how many of those attackers are capable of doing what timothy mcveigh did in 1995 when he blew up the federal building in oklahoma city, oklahoma, killing 16 people which included 19 children? who were in the day care center in the building that day. who is the next timothy mcveigh? that is what investigators of the attack on the capitol are worried about. who is the next timothy mcveigh? is it one of the hundreds of people who have been arrested for the attack on the come? is it the man michigan's attorney general brought charges against today for death threats against president biden, speaker pelosi and michigan governor? michigan's attorney general will join us in a moment. who is the next timothy mcveigh is a question that law enforcement has been obsessed over for 25 years and if you work in a federal building timothy mcveigh changed your life at least a bit because security was increased in all federal buildings, all over the country. in washington, traffic was no longer allowed to pass by the white house on pennsylvania avenue. and security for the capitol and the house and senate office buildings was instantly and immediately increased after timothy mcveigh took down the federal building in oklahoma city and if you don't work in a federal building then nothing in your life changed after timothy mcveigh killed 168 people. nothing. all of our lives changed after 9/11. security measures were enhanced not just at airports but in office buildings in big cities and many other places. 9/11 changed the way we live but timothy mcveigh didn't but the spirit of timothy mcveigh is alive and well in the people who attacked the capitol and issued death threats. the people who michigan's attorney general has awaiting trial for their kidnapping plot of the governor of michigan were all part of the timothy mcveigh spirit. hatred of government and the people in government and the demented belief it is their duty to kill people in government, to kidnap the governor of michigan and murder her. to hang mike pence. if timothy mcveigh were alive today he would be on board for all 0 of that. timothy mcveigh would have been one of the first ones in the capitol and killing one police officer would not have been enough for timothy mcveigh. his death sentence was carried out in 2001 but the murderous poison that was in his brain is still flowing in the brains of people who tried to kidnap the governor of michigan and in the brans of the people who attacked the capitol, like many of the people who attacked the capitol mcveigh was an honorably discharged army veteran. this guy served two years in the navy before switching sides from the defenders of the united states to the attackers of the united states on january 6. we don't know what that guy is capable of. but we do know that timothy mcveigh never did anything as bad as attacking the capitol before the day that he killed 168 people. timothy mcveigh's life and death show us how far people who share his madness about government can go. mass murder. that's how far they can go. timothy mcveigh is the reason none of the threats against government officials can ever be taken lightly. senator ron johnson has forgotten all about timothy mcveigh because he believes if you look like timothy mcveigh there's nothing scary about you. >> on january 6 i never felt threatened. i know those people love the country, that truly respect law enforcement. would never do anything to break a law. so i wasn't concerned. had the tables been turned, this could get me in trouble. had the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters i might have been a little concerned. >> i knew those were people that loved this country. that truly respect law enforcement. here they are respecting law enforcement. would never do anything to break a law. and every one of them was breaking the law. that day. every single one of them. many of them were severely beating law enforcement officers. 140 police officers injured. and two of them, two of those people, ron johnson was not afraid of, have been charged with inflicting the injuries that killed officer sicknick. the only thing ron johnson knew about those people is that they were white. just like timothy mcveigh. timothy mcveigh got his first bomb training in michigan. timothy mcveigh killed more people with a bomb than anyone else in american history. and ron johnson could take one look at timothy mcveigh and know that he would never do anything to break the law. today in michigan, attorney general dana nessel announced charges against 21-year-old joshua doctor nor making death threats against president biden, speaker pelosi and michigan's governor whitmer. he is charged with one count of threat of terrorism and one count of using a computer to commit a crime, both are 20-year felonies. the fbi opened the investigation when they received tips about threatening posts that joshua doctor made on social media, michigan state police took up that investigation, a state released by the attorney general's office today says doctor posted multiple threatening comments on the social media platform in january 2021. in those posts, doctor stated he would used a gun to shoot and kill the elected officials and would be the catalyst for a new american revolution. docter had information on how to make a bomb and where to find the necessary materials on his smartphone. and that is exactly what timothy mcveigh wanted to be. the catalyst. the catalyst for a revolution against the american government by deranged, murderous people. like timothy mcveigh. leading off our discussion tonight is michigan attorney general dana nessel. that you are very much for jonning us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> can you tell us how long this investigation has been going on and when you decided to make the arrest? >> well, you know, not for very long. unfortunately we have been seeing a mass easy ka lags in the number of threats toward public officials and as you noted talking about timothy mcveigh which unfortunately had close connections to the michigan militia, you know, we have been seeing this over and over again with our public officials. i honestly think had the internet been around in timothy mcveigh's time he probably would have started off by posting death threats to these individuals before he ever got to oklahoma city. and so what we're trying to do is we're trying to ensure that we act quickly when we see these sorts of threats so it doesn't get to a point where someone is committing mass murder. that's what we did in this situation. >> your point about if timothy mcveigh had social media is so important. it's kind of what i was framing here in this discussion tonight is that we don't have that kind of clue in timothy mcveigh's case simply because it didn't exist but it is very, very likely that he would have been active like so many of these people are active on social media and if we would have picked up something here or there before he suddenly emerged as a suspect quickly in that bombing. so that's the ultimate thing that all of you in law enforcement have to worry about when you see one of these threats that -- and some percentage of them are harmless in the sense that the person really doesn't mean them literally. but you have to worry about every one of them. >> that's right and the fact is you just never know whether or not one of these threats is going to end up later on and so when taking action in order to actually harm somebody. and so, we are taking these very seriously. we have charged a number of cases, not only this case today involves as you indicated president biden, speaker pelosi and governor whitmer but a few weeks ago with senator and a local judge who had made some i guess controversial rulings in an election related case but we are seeing it over and over again and the fact is we have to step in and make sure people understand that this is not first amendment protected activity. the same way you wouldn't like fit the neighbor posted a threat indicated to come over and shoot you. we can't allow this to happen in terms of threatening public officials either. we can't have it change the way we operate our government because people are so afraid that, frankly, they will be asass natded so we have to make sure that we're there as law enforcement to intervene and so people should be on notice that if they intend to threaten public officials on social media, be forewarned it is a crime and law enforcement will be taking it seriously, you will be prosecuted. >> why michigan? that's where mcveigh learned the makings of bomb. michigan is where we -- you have been prosecuting the plot to kidnap the governor. we don't have a plot like that stopped in any other state. why michigan? >> well, i wish i knew the answer to that question. i think it was sort of a confluence of factors in 2020 that we really saw the exponential rise in the terrorist organizations. we have a purple state with a divided government. we have a very right wing legislature. we have all democrats in the executive offices. all female democrats i'll add. and then we saw covid-19 and a lot of restrictions that had to be put in place via the governor in order to protect people in our state and then you had the george floyd murder and the black lives matter protests and i think all of this came together at the same time in a way that allowed the groups to heavily recruit mostly online and for a lot of people to become radicalized but i will say this after serving as attorney general for just the last couple of years, if i had a nickel for every time a death threat was issued against our governor i'd have enough money to buy amazon from jeff bezos. it is really that bad. it is that tragic and that's why it's so necessary for us to take each and every one of the threats very seriously. >> have you had to as attorney general in michigan basically create a specialty desk in your office for this kind of investigation? >> yes. in fact, we have -- we have developed a special hate crimes and domestic terrorism unit at the department of attorney general. and much of the work we do specifically is to work with the fbi and work with the michigan state police and work with the other local law enforcement partners and when we receive the threats to make sure they're investigated and acted upon before something happens. >> michigan attorney general dana nessel, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. coming up, joe biden and kamala harris went to pennsylvania and colorado today to explain the financial support that people and businesses will be getting from the relief bill the president signed into law as the american rescue plan. two people who were with the president and vice president today will join us next. oes 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it was close. >> vice president harris took part in a listening session with small business owners and local leaders in denver, colorado. >> when we think about the american rescue plan, a lot of the president's priority and our priority around it was equity. making sure that everyone wherever they are, that they're not overlooked, that they're not left behind. all of these issues are connected, from what we do to pull children out of poverty, to help the small businesses, making sure that everyone is vaccinated and that they get that vaccine when it is their turn, all of these things are connected. >> joining us now, democratic congresswoman houlighan of pennsylvania who met with president biden today in pennsylvania and the democratic mayor of denver, colorado, michael hancock who met with the vice president in denver today. congresswoman, let's begin with you. you were with the president in pennsylvania. how helpful was it to your constituents to have the president visit today and emphasize these components of the bill that helps small business? >> it was a remarkable opportunity to have the president be with us in our communities, specifically focused on our small businesses, the smallest of small businesses. because this is a time to celebrate and a time of hope. we have an opportunity here to support our smallest of small businesses and as the vice president said, this is a comprehensive and holistic approach that focuses on the small businesses and children and families and those who are unemployed. this is a time to be hopeful and it was wonderful to host the president today in our community. >> mayor hancock, vice president came to denver today. you met with her. is that helpful to you in understanding what denver has coming in this legislation? >> absolutely. it's incredibly inspiring quite frankly, lawrence. what the president and vice president have done in their first few days in office is really inspires the nation and really connect by simply saying help is here and all we ask from government no matter what level is that you are emphathetic, understand the plight of the people and we hadn't had that for four years so talking to the vice president today, saying to her that on behalf of so many mayors across this country we're grateful for the partnership, for the fact that you are in tune with what the american people need and this american relief package makes a difference. help is here and makes a difference in terms of the sense of belonging and sense of optimism looking to the future. >> congresswoman, i noticed with the vice president today she spent a significant amount of time asking for input and listening to what people in denver are telling her. i noticed the vice president was doing -- the president was doing that in pennsylvania, too. toward the end of his comments, there's a certain point he said, do you have questions for me? does anyone have questions for me? so it's very clear that both of them don't consider these opportunities for them to just deliver a speech to people listening to them. they clearly want to hear back what's happening on the ground where this aid is going. >> and you're absolutely right. the people who he visited were frankly stunned by the fact that the president of the united states turned to them and said, is there anything i can answer for you? is there anything that you need more help on? they had prepared themselves to be asked -- to be answering questions rather than to be asking them and i think they're pleasantly surprised and really receptive to that listening tour. >> mayor hancock, the vaccines are part of this, delivery of vaccines. does denver need and expect help through this bill for the delivery of vaccines? >> absolutely. i think the key with this -- with regards to vaccine obviously many of us cities across the country, states have set up an infrastructure to vaccinate, get needles into as many arms as we can, the key and the challenge has been supply and certainly the biden/harris administration has doubled down on bringing the amount of more supplies to cities and states around the nation and that is critical because once we have enough supply we can turn over that paradigm if you will and that is to have more supply than we have in determines of demand. so this bill provides for the support for infrastructure and support ofg for the distribution or supply of vaccination and distribution of those vaccination -- of the vaccinations into the arms of american people. that is so critical for us and because we can begin to turn our economies forward, moving forward with great momentum and optimism and the more needles into the arms of the people that live in the nation and so i'm excited about the fact they thought of course to make sure that part of the recovery strategy and this relief plan supply of the vaccine is critical. >> congresswoman, we noticed that the president went to a swing state today. he could have gone to new jersey, could have gone to other states close by that really aren't in play in presidential elections but he went to a very important state. how much was that a part of the calculation in today's trip? >> what i would say is our community and our commonwealth is very much of a purple place. we are, at least my community 40-40-20 but we a