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because she should have got it, i will give it to her, no fight from me, she's meryl "freaking" streep. >> i met and chatted with her only once, assure you, she will not do that. other thing, rachel, tomorrow night, the georgia senators are going to be making their appearances here on this network. you have i believe senator warnock at 9:00 p.m. >> indeed and you have senator ossoff? >> at 10:00. >> well this breaking news tonight in atlanta may change that. i don't know at this point but hoping to have senator warnock here. this is one of those nights when i feel like there's 40 stories developing. but i do hope to have him, indeed. >> we'll see. thank you rachel. >> thanks lawrence. >> thank you. how many timothy mcvays attacked the capitol on january 6th? how many of those attackers are capable of doing what mcvay did when he killed 168 people, including 19 children in the day care center in the building that day? who is the next timothy mcvay? that is what investigators of the attack on the capitol are worried about. who is the next? one of the hundreds of people arrested for the attack on the capitol? is it the man michigan's attorney general brought charges against today for death threats against president biden? speaker pelosi and michigan's governor gretchen whitmer. attorney general will join us in a moment. who is the next timothy mcvay is question that law enforcement has been obsessing over for 25 years and if you work in a federal building, mcvay changed your life at least a bit, security was increased in all federal buildings all over the country. in washington, traffic no longer allowed to pass by the white house on pennsylvania avenue, and security for capitol and house and senate office buildings was significantly increased immediately after timothy mcvay took down the federal building in oklahoma city. if you don't work in federal building, nothing in your life changed after mcvay killed 168 people. nothing. all of our lives changed after 9/11, security enhanced in airports, office buildings and lots of places. 9/11 changed how we live, timothy mcvay didn't, but spirit of timothy mcvay is alive and well in people who attacked the capitol, issued the death threats, the people who michigan's attorney general has awaiting trial for their kidnapping plot of the governor of michigan, were all part of the timothy mcvay spirit, hatred of government, of the people in government, and the demented belief it is their duty to kill people in government. to kidnap the governor of michigan and murder her, to hang mike pence. if timothy mcvay were alive, he would be on board for all of that, would have been one of the first in the capitol, and killing one police officer would not have been enough for timothy mcvay. his death sentence was carried out in 2001, but the murderous poison that was in his brain is still flowing in brains of people who tried to kidnap the governor of michigan and in the brains of the people who attacked the capitol. like many of the people who attacked the capitol, timothy was honorably discharged army veteran. this guy served two years in the navy before switching sides from defenders of the united states to attackers of the united states on january 6th. we don't know what that guy is capable of. but we do know that timothy mcvay never did anything as bad as attacking the capitol before the day that he killed 168 people. timothy mcvay's life and death show us how far people who share his madness about government can go. mass murder. that's how far they can go. timothy mcvay is the reason none of the threats against government officials can ever be taken lightly. senator ron johnson has forgotten all about timothy mcvay because he believes if you look like timothy mcvay, there's nothing scary about you. >> on january 6th, i never felt threatened, i knew those were people that love this country, truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law, i wasn't concerned. had the tables been turned, this is going to get me in trouble, but had president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been a little concerned. >> i knew those were people that loved this country. that truly respect law enforcement. here they are respecting law enforcement. would never do anything to break the law. and every one of them was breaking the law that day, every single one of them. many of them were severely beating law enforcement officers. 140 police officers injured, and two of those people who ron johnson was not afraid of, have been charged with inflicting injuries that killed officer brian sicknick. the only thing ron johnson knew about those people is that they were white. just like timothy mcvay. timothy mcvay got his first bomb training in michigan. timothy mcvay killed more people with a bomb than anyone else in american history. and ron johnson would take one look at timothy mcvay and know he would never do anything to break the law. today in michigan, attorney general announced charges against 21-year-old for making death threats against president biden, speaker pelosi and michigan's governor whitmer. charged with one count of threat of terrorism, one count of using computer to commit a crime, 20-year felonies. fbi received tips about threatening posts he made on social media. michigan police took up the investigation, statement from the office says docter posted several comments, stated would use a done to shoot and kill elected officials an be the catalyst for new american revolution. and had information how to make a bomb and where to find the necessary materials on his smartphone, and that is exactly what timothy mcvay wanted to be, the catalyst. the catalyst for a revolution against the american government by deranged, murderous people like timothy mcvay. leading off our discussion tonight is michigan attorney general dana nestle, thanks for joining us, really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> can you tell us how long this investigation has been going on? and when you decided to make the arrest. >> well, not for very long, unfortunately we've been seeing a mass escalation in number of threats toward public officials, and as you noted when you talked about timothy mcvay, which unfortunately had close connections to the michigan militia, we've been seeing this over and over again with public officials. and i honestly think had the internet been around in timothy mcvay's time, he probably would have started off by posting death threats to these individuals before he ever got to oklahoma city. so what we're trying to do is ensure that we act quickly when we see these threats and doesn't escalate to the point where someone is committing mass murder. that's what we did in this situation. >> point about if timothy mcvay had social media is so important, kind of what i was framing in this discussion. we don't have that clue in mcvay's case because it didn't exist. but it's very likely he would have been active like so many of these people are on social media and would have picked up something before he emerged as suspect quickly in that bombing. that's the ultimate thing that all of you in law enforcement have to worry about when you see one of these threats, and some percentage are harmless in the sense that the person doesn't mean them literally, but you have to worry about every one of them. >> that's right, and fact is you just never know whether or not one of these threats it going to end up later on in someone taking action in order to actually harm somebody. and so we are taking these very seriously. charged a number of cases, not only this case today involving president biden, speaker pelosi and governor whitmer, but cases a few weeks ago including senator stabenow and a local judge who made controversial rulings in election-related case. we're seeing it over and over again. fact it we really have to step in and make sure people understand this isn't first amendment protected activity. same way if your neighborhood posted a threat indicating they're going to come over and shoot you, can't allow this to happen threatening public officials either. can't let it change the way we operate our government because people are so afraid they're going to be assassinated. we have to be there as law enforcement to intervene, and people should be on notice, if they intend to threaten public officials on social media, be forwarned it's a crime and law enforcement will take it seriously, you'll be investigated and prosecuted. >> why michigan, that's where timothy mcvay learned the beginnings of bomb making over 25 years ago. michigan is where you've been prosecuting the plot to kidnap the governor. we don't have a plot like that stopped in any other state. why michigan? >> well, i wish i knew the answer to that question. i think it was a confluence of factors in 2020, that we really saw exponential rise in extremist organizations. i think it was a combination, we have a purple state with divided government, very right wing legislature, all democrats in executive offices, all female democrats, i'll add. then we saw covid-19 and lot of restrictions that had to be put in place via the governor in order to protect people in our state. then you had the george floyd murder and black lives matter protests, all of this came together, at the same time, in a way that allowed these groups to heavily recruit. mostly online, for a lot of people to become radicalized. but i will say this after serving as attorney general just the last couple of years, if i had a nickel for every time a death threat was issued against our governor, i would have enough money to buy amazon from jeff bezos, it's really that bad, that tragic and it's necessary to take each and every threat very seriously. >> have you had to as attorney general in michigan create a specialty desk in your office for this kind of 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i'm excited they thought of course to make sure as part of the recovery and relief, supply of the vaccine is critical. >> congresswoman houlahan, president went to a swing state, could have gone to new jersey or other states that aren't in play in presidential elections, but he went to a very important state. how much was that part of the calculation in today's trip? >> what i would say is our community and commonwealth is a purple place, my community is 40/40/20, republicans, democrats and independents, but we're all universally suffering under the pandemic. i think the message is not only help here, but hope is here. it's a great place to be delivering that message in place like pennsylvania, which has a real diversity of all kinds of opinions but also a real strength and hope in terms of our people. it was lovely to have him here. i don't necessarily think of it as political calculation but rather a calculation of where to go where people are, that's where pennsylvania is. >> pennsylvania congresswoman chrissy houlahan, and denver mayor michael hancock, thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, republicans in georgia are doing everything they can to prevent democrats from winning in that state again, restricting voting rights. manager for stacey abrams' campaign is our expert next. aig. . 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