pennsylvania center county jail after convicted on 45 counts of child sex abuse. his wife was found delivering a package to her husband. fire crews are warning in colorado of the extreme fire conditions and for the potential for the hyde park fire to rapidly grow. a number of acres burned jump to 75,000. mitt romney fund-raising in park city, utah, this weekend. several potential om romney running mates are attending.romg mates are attending. here is what else we are working on for you. >> it's 10:00 p.m. do you know where your children are? >> she was a good girl an old drug back with a new and deadly vengeance. hooking and killing young, smart, and mostly white suburban kids. >> you're either going to be behind bars or you're going to be dead. >> tonight, parents who lost their chin and a young recovering addict speak directly to you about the new face of heroin. parental justice. >> deadly force is authorized and justified. >> a father kills his 4-year-old doubt's molester. a couple accused of killing their daughter's pimp by playing judge and jury and how far should you do if someone is m molesting your child and selling them for sex? that and george zimmerman. alec baldwin and america's newest anchorman. >> from new york city, i'll will. >> listen. i want you to sit down, take a seat, and listen to this. it could save someone's life that you know or love. it is no longer hiding in the shadows of seedy downtown alleyways. heroin has a new home, bringing hits highly addictive and often deadly power to the trees in suburb i can't. the average age that kids start using heroin before their 15th birthday! most of them are white. and more of them prefer to shoot it up than taking it any other way. why the increase here? it's cheaper than pills. the crack down on oxycodone has made pills expensive to users. 20 bucks a pill. heroin way cheaper and more plentiful and more popular. two people who know that painfully well is john roberts and pam anderson. both parents who separately lost their sons to overdoses of heroin. mr. roberts, thank you for joining us. miss anderson, thank you so much for joining us. we start with you, mr. roberts. you're a retired chicago police captain. you move to the suburbs for a better life for you and your family and your son billy fell into drugs. tell us what happened. >> shortly after we moved, billy had just graduated from grade school and started into high school and like a lot of kids in america, that's where they are going to be introduced to drugs and be tempted and to maybe drug spermgs and, unfortunately, billy making new friends in a new community it seemed like he got in with the wrong crowd. by and large, don, the drugs are out there and in a a lot of communities. i moved out to a beautiful suburb. i can see a farm from my back deck. a nice area. after 33 years in the streets of chicago as a police officer, i never expected to find heroin but why do i do what i do now? it's all over the counties, the counties of chicago and many of our major cities. >> the reason i say that is because most people when they say you think about drugs and you think about heroin. you think about rock stars or inner city urbanreas and not the case any more. pam, tell me about your son matthew. he started taking pills as a junt at student at uga and went to heroin. >> between his sophomore and junior year he started with some orally taking pills and moved to snorting because it doesn't give you the same high. you have to keep jacking it up and jacking it up. then he moved into the intravenous and when we found out about it and pulled him out of school. >> did you hear when i said most kids start to take -- the kids who do start to take heroin before their 15th birthday because it's so easily accessible? they can get that faster than a pack of cigarettes? >> yes, they can. it's everywhere. in the college campuses what they are doing with it is like they are just passing bowls of pills and the pushers, if i can use that word. >> of course. >> they give it out for free to get somebody hooked and then they start with a lower price on the pills enjack it up, jack it up as they are more addicted. >> yeah. and many people will start, mr. roberts, with starting to take oxycodone or take pills. it goes from prescription pills because they are too expensive for them and go to heroin because heroin is cheaper and start shooting it. once you start to shoot heroin your body needs that. they are hooked and they are going to have an issue the rest of their lives. at the beginning of this show we said either you're going to end up dead or in jail most times. >> that's true. the problem is that there's a lot of drugs out there. not all of them -- in fact, i don't believe so much in the gateway theory but i do believe one gateway drug is the painkiller, prescription painkillers. they are opiate based drugs. you don't use a prescription and use them there in case you need them. our kids are getting them and you're correct. they want more and try it again. her building a dependency and a tolerance for the opiate based drug but when they find they can i don't heroin and it's much cheaper. 10 dollars a bag. here in economy a kid can drive into the west side of chicago and buy a bag of heroin for $10 and they are preferred customers. when they see them coming they offer them called a jab. a jab is ten bags for a hundred and they give them a baker's dozen to bring them back and give them 12 to 13 bags for a hundred dollars and then that goes back out to the suburbs. that's one of the reasons why this epidemic is spreading through all of our collar counties. is it -- >> it's even chirp here in atlanta. i've heard as low as $7 a bag. >> a place here i've been reading called the bluffs. there is even a documentary and then many -- a number of documentaries have been written about the bluffs where the kids from the suburbs go into the bluffs and they buy these bags and they know when they see these young affluent looking kids, white kids coming in, they know what they are there for. >> they drive in in their cars. >> telltale signs? >> they start missing their appointments, they cancel things. they are sleeping a lot. when they are beginning to come down from the high, they seem like they have a cold. they get the feverish, lots of sweating. very cranky. and raspy because of the heroin affects the respiratory system. >> little signs. i was talking to a friend last night and asking him about it who -- a friend another producer here. he said i never -- i thought maybe one of my friends might be addicted because they do heroin addicts do a clicking thing with their jaw. have you ever had that? >> my son didn't do that but i've heard people talk about they do this thing with their head. >> i want to talk about how to help. of course, officer roberts, having the talk with your kids, that's important. and you have to be practical about it. tell me about that and also about your organization called hero. >> parents have to talk to their children. we do. i was a very good parent. but you know what? we have to know how to do that. it's like having a sex education talk. we have to do it but at the same time we know we have to. parents can learn how to do that. here in chicago, i work with an organization called the robert crown center for health education and they are famous. over 50 years teaching kids sex occasion. i'm working with them now. this battle also. one of the things we are trying to do, we are going to develop a curriculum for the kids but also for the faculty and administrators of the schools and pilot testing it this fall. but, most importantly, as importantly, we are going to be teaching the parents how to talk to their kids about the dangers of the drugs that are out there in our society today. >> mr. roberts, if you can do me a favor. i know have you a hat for your show. show your hat and tell us if there is a website we would like our viewers to know that. >> don, i really appreciate this. i will devote the rest of my days until i'm with billy to fighting with hero. her owen epidemic relief organization. our rally cry as the name implies, be a herhero. the only way to win this battle. i'm just a grieving dad but i'm finding ways to get out there and fight back and do something about it and i'm fighting for drug education and fighting for prevention. hero does that and for everybody, and, don, like you, and for the woman sitting there with you who is not afraid to come out and talk about this, that's what this means. you're a hero. you're helping us fight back and until and unless we start pushing back, we're never going to win this war on drugs. >> we want to tell you that matthew is 22 years old, pam's son, billy, just 19 years old when he died. thank you very much, john and thank you, pam. you're very brave to come on. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, don. god bless. >> you too as well. he could be your son or the boy next door hooked on heroin and you would never suspect it. you're going to meet him next. plus this. parental justice. >> i think he deserved everything he got. >> what would you do? fore! no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to... get in the way. not anymore. ink, the small business card from chase introduces jot an on-the-go expense app made exclusively for ink customers. custom categorize your expenses anywhere. save time and get back to what you love. the latest innovation. only for ink customers. learn more at chase.com/ink but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, "what's next?" introducing the all-new rx f sport. this is the pursuit of perfection. introducing the all-new rx f sport. ♪ ♪ we all need it. to move. to keep warm. to keep us fed. to make clay piggies. but to keep doing these things in the future... at shell, we believe the world needs a broader mix of energies. that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. ♪ >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. ♪ never mentions the word addiction in certain company ♪ >> that was black crows. a vosong with drug addiction. you see the maps have increase in heroin between 1999 and 2009. this week, houston police made their largest heroin bust ever. 17 kilos stashed inside a car and unheard of in their parts. part of the reason it's becoming so popular, it is way cheaper than pills and offering much of the same high to users at a fraction of the cost. who would know that better? no one would than bill patriot who started on pills and got so expensive he moved on. he switched to heroin. bill says he is clean now. he is sober and has been for four years. congratulations on that. we hope you stay clean and sober! what caused you to pull yourself away from heroin? >> to pull away from it? >> yeah. >> no addict wants to stay on but your life gets to a point it becomes so manageable and so terrible you have to do something. my life, like all addicts, got that point. >> tell us about that. is awe talk to us about your story. we have pictures of you sober and while you were using heroin. your parents knew that you were using drugs but that didn't stop you. again, you started like most people start. you started with a painkiller and doing recreational drugs and moved into this because it's cheaper. >> right. absolutely. it started innocently enough with a little bit of marijuana. it seemed harmless at the time. moved on to pills. then the addiction set in and i wasn't even aware of it. and everyone else around me knew it was going on but before i even did it. there was a lot of denial. there was a lot of delusion and it took a very long time before i could finally admit that i had a problem and that was when i could finally start asking for some help. my parents knew and did their best to try to stop me but nothinwas going to. >> how did you get it your first time? >> i had a friend of mine and we were -- one of our, you know, normal nightly smoking runs. a little marijuana. this one particular night, he had a little treat for me and it was a pill of oxy could notti -. i was mentally and physically dependent on it. >> dependent on oxycontin. when it became too expensive for you? >> yes. yeah. at that point, i was pawning things and stealing from my parents, my sister. you know, everyone who cared about me, you know, i could have turned them into enemies. i was doing whatever i could to get money to pay for it but even that wasn't enough and so i decided to move on to heroin because i heard it was cheaper. >> and it gave you the same high? >> absolutely at a lower cost. >> how long did you use it? >> about half the time that i did opiates was heroin. started out with snorting and, of course, to be -- to conserve my money, i moved on to shooting it. >> what do you say to kids who are watching or parents who are watching because heroin it's been around for a long time and there -- it's been used among suburban teens, mostly white kids, since the '90s, but what they are seeing now, so many people dying now and the use of it has just increased over the last couple of years. what do you say to parents and what do you say to people out there, anything you want to say to them about using heroin or about heroin? >> well, to parents, i would say, you know, know your child, talk to your child, don't rely on schools to do it. lots of parents think they are just going to get caught in health class about drugs and their kids know better. look for the signs. look for -- if you think something is off with your kid, you know your child best and you should confront them about it and to kids out there, students, teens, whoever is in that range starting to use, i would tell them, you are the rule, not the exception. before people start, they believe that they are the exception. they are going the ones, they are too smart to become addicted and they know about addiction so that insulation them from becoming addicted. no, if you start this, you will end up in a bad place. >> hear that, kids? you'll end up in a bad place. every day, it's a struggle, right? >> you know, at first, it's a struggle. at this point, i put it behind me and i'm doing very well but for a very long time, it was a struggle. you don't get clean overnight. >> thank you very much, bill. thank you. good luck to you. what is the name of your organization? >> matthew's fund. >> it's online? >> yes. beating the demons of drugs.com. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate you. thanks to bill and pam and all of my guests. next, parents are risking parents to avenge crime against their children. newest form of vigilante justice plus this. from vigilante justice to citizen justice. george zimmerman on killing trayvon martin in his own words. >> i felt his arm going down to my side and i grabbed it and i grabbed my firearm. cuban cajun raw seafood pizza parlor french fondue tex-mex fro-yo tapas puck chinese takeout taco truck free range chicken pancake stack baked alaska 5% cashback. signup for 5% cashback at restaurants through june. it pays to discover. there's another way to help erase litter box odor. purina tidy cats. only tidy cats has new odor erasers... making it easy to keep things at home... just the way you want them. new tidy cats with odor erasers. and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class. the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the future forward. imagine losing your daughter to a live of prostitution. you reach out to police and do everything you can to get your daughter back but when that doesn't work, what would you do? according to san francisco prosecutors for one mother and father, it meant killing the girl's pimp. here is cnn's dan simon. >> reporter: she was a 17-year-old run-away leaving the bay area behind for los angeles and lured into a life of ostitution. her parents tried to rescue her, but according to prosecutors, when those efforts failed, did he they did he viced a plan to kill her pimp, calvin snead. the two are in jail under $2 million bond charged with his murder. >> that was cnn's dan simon reporting. how far should parents go to protect their child and is what these california parents allegedly did a surprise? this comes days after a father in rural texas beat a man to death after he dscovered the man allegedly molesting his young daughter. a grand jury chose not to indict him. criminal defense attorney hole hughes is here and holly manning. holly, to you first. what do you make of these parents taking the law into their own hands? i mean, would a jury convict any of these people for doing this? >> here is the thing. i get it. be clear. these two situations are very different. the little gill was currently being molested when the father walked into the barn. heard her screaming. a man in the middle of molesting her. he pulls that man off and reacts in a way to get him to stop, beats him. that is not vigilante justice but interrupting a crime and saving your child's life. big difference when you go out hunting for somebody. >> here is the lawyer. >> they were faced with every parents' nightmare and tried their best to protect their daughter and here they are getting arrested. it's very overwhelming. >> alex, every case is different, but can you blame these parents? they say they went to police and got no results. >> don, i can tell i myself and my old partner investigator graeg franklin ran into the same situation and we had something like this. the parents were at our doorsteps why did you go home and why did you sleep and why did you go to lunch? you have to keep going at these people. go up the chain of command and get somebody to listen to you. don't take the law into your own hands. >> holly, are there laws in place to protect parents in these type of scenarios? >> there really aren't. they are subject to the laws of everybody else. they went out there and committed a crime if the prosecutor can prove they intended to do it and theory are charges and allegations. the parents haven't been convicted of anything. don, while we all get that gut reaction, we all understand why they did it, why they wanted to do it, if, in fact, they are guilty of it, but here's the thing. god forbid an innocent person be in the way when they are out there on the street firing a gun and god forbid they get the wrong guy. >> they end up going to jail for a long time. >> scary stuff. >> a line between vigilante and civil justice starting to blur? >> absolutely. i think it's a sign of the times. you just did your spot on heroin. it's the sign of the times. now, this girl out in california could lose her two parents to jail so the situation is better she is off the street, and now she will lose her two parents. >> thank you both very much. talk about this from vigilante justice. someone accused of taking law into his own hands and never before seen video and audio released by george zimmerman's legal team. in one tape, zimmerman reenactments a shooting for police. george zimmerman on his own words. >> he said shut the [ bleep ] up. then i tried sqiruirming again. all i could think when he hit my head i felt it was going to explode and i would lose consciousness. i tried to squirm so that i could get. he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete so i tried to squirm off the concrete. that's when my jacket moved up and i had my firearm on my right side hip. my jacket moved up. he saw it. i feel like he saw it.