0 court, is the sense that we want to give the states this power from the conservative standpoint, and that goes against science. so then just forget about science and make up standards as we go along. >> and steve, to the question of precedent, justice sotomayor talked about or asked the question will the institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception. this is all political. >> i think it's the right question from justice sotomayor, and one of the things that really came through in the argument today is, yes, there have been bad precedents throughout the course of history, that the justices have overruled. usually, though, in the favor of expanded individual rights. here we have a case where overruling precedent would be to take away rights that the court has recognized. we haven't seen that kind of decision where the country is so evenly divided, where there's so much reliance built into women assuming that they have the right to pursue a pre-viability abortion. and justice sotomayor was saying we're not ready for in if you're willing to take the step you look like you're willing to take. >> thank you for being with us. we've got breaking news at the top of the hour. thanks for being with us. and it is the top of the hour. i'm alisyn camerota. >> and i'm victor blackwell, we are following multiple fast developing stories this hour. the first case of the omicron variant has been detected in san francisco. a person who traveled from south africa tested positive. >> the individual was a traveler who returned from south africa on november the 22nd and tested positive on tnovr november the . the individual is self-quarantining and all close contacts have been contacted, and all close contacted so far have tested negative. the individual was fully vaccinated and experienced mild symptoms which are improving at this point. >> also, any moment now, we expect to hear from authorities investigating yesterday's deadly school shooting outside of detroit. a 4th student has now died from his injuries. last hour, the oakland county prosecutor announced that the 15-year-old suspect will be tried as an adult. >> we are charging this individual with one count of terrorism causing death. four counts of first-degree murder. seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony. >> cnn shimon prokupecz is live from oakland, michigan, and cnn national security analysis j juliette cayenne is with us. >> reporter: the counts of frd first-degree murder allows the prosecutor to charge him as an adult. the 15-year-old now charged as an adult facing the prospect of life in prison, and that is the one significant piece of news, obviously. we also learned that there was perhaps some kind of premeditation here. the prosecutor is saying that this was not an impulsive act, would not tell us any other information because obviously this is still an active investigation, and they also obviously need to now take this through the court system. so they don't want to do anything to hurt the case, so the prosecutor wouldn't reveal more information, but clearly there was information that they have obtained that says there was some kind of planning that went into this. also very significant here is the gun, you know, the sheriff confirming that the father, the father of the alleged shooter buying the gun four days before the shooting. the father and mother now potentially facing criminal charges for failing to secure that weapon, perhaps other charges as well. but obviously still a lot for prosecutors and for investigators to figure out, but there's been a lot of new developments here. the 15-year-old now charged as an adult. the fact that this was some kind of premeditated act, excuse me, alisyn, and now of course the idea that the parents could potentially face charges. >> all right, let's turn now to juliette. trying this 15-year-old as an adult, and also the terror charges, what do you make of those? >> so it's interesting and people shouldn't make too much of it yet. we do know that now according to our reporting is that there is some sort of premeditation or motivation. we don't know what's in the writings or what they may have taken down by social media. michigan state charges of terrorism are not how we normally think about them. they go to intimidation or felony and death, to intimidate a civilian population or the government, so you can -- by killing, that's intimidating, a course of coercion. we have to take a political motivation out of this right now. right now, this is what we don't know. so the charges themselves are not telling us anything except for one, he's being tried as an adult, two, life without parole. there's no chances for him if he's convicted. and then of course leaving open with these charges, leaving open that the parents are charged under the same statute as aiding and abetting this terrorism felony that michigan uniquely has. that's a big deal for them for the parents, of course, who clearly, whatever you say about them, were clearly negligent at best. >> okay. shimon prokupecz, thank you very much. joining us is fred guttenberg, whose daughter jamie was killed in the parkland shooting, and zachary, a survivor of the columbine shooting in 1999, founder of the rebels projects which supports victims of mass trauma. thank you both for being here. i'm sure you're sickened to have to have this conversation again as i am. fred, you and i have spoken way too many times about this. i have lost track of how many school shootings i have covered in the last 22 years. i don't know if it's 40, 45 anymore. fred, i'm out of questions to ask about this. what do we need to know about the shooter's motive? what are the right questions today? >> regarding the shooter's motive, i actually don't want to talk about him. i wanted to get what's coming to him from the court of law. i'd rather talk about how we got to this place because, listen, you are so right. it's not even four years ago that my daughter was killed, but since she was murdered with a gun, we've lost over 150,000 other americans, in less than four years due to gun violence. since columbine, and i know zachary is on the line, it's probably well over a million americans that have died because of gun violence. and here's what you need to know today. there was just a big huge supreme court hearing today. there was another one just a couple of weeks ago. today they talked about sanctionty of life, and a couple of weeks ago, the same justices argued against the sanctity of life. this is the sanctity of life conversation that america should be having. you know, we don't stop protecting life when people are born. that's when we're supposed to start, and yet in the aftermath of this shooting yesterday, we had congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and nancy mace acting like children and then we wonder why our kids think acting out is okay. i'm sorry. i am pissed. i've had enough. it's enough. this is not impossible to solve. it is a second amendment issue. we can save lives. it's not rocket science. >> fred, you deserve to be angry. you deserve to be angry. you lost your daughter. we're all angry at having to be in this position again, and what i find, and i'm so glad you raised this, we talk all around the edges of it, what other security measures could have been taken, is it about mental health, instead of getting to the heart of the matter, we're awash in guns here, and clearly we haven't figured out how to keep them out of the hands of volatile 15-year-olds. zachary, it's been 22, 23 years, and i think you do such a great job talking about it's not just the day of the school shooting that's horrific enough, it's the next 23 years of your life that are marked by that episode. what are your thoughts? >> absolutely. thanks, alisyn, and fred, it's good to hear from you, and i'm sorry for your loss. you know, every kid at oxford high school and in that community has now been touched by gun violence, and it's not something that gets solved overnight. there's no quick fix to this. you deal with this for the rest of your life. and it's unfortunate and it's so hard for young people who have their whole lives ahead of them to have to start this journey now. it's absolutely heartbreaking. for me, myself, i'd be remiss to say that i'm not in a tough spot at the moment with michigan and we had two school shootings in colorado, at aurora central, and at hinckley high school over the last couple of weeks here. this keeps happening with such frequency that there has to be a common sense answer that we can get to to ensure the safety of our kids, just echoing what fred said, if life starts at inception, it doesn't stop after birth. it's something we have to do to protect children not only from the violence and the physical injury, but some of the mental injuries that can take place that i know personally have a massive detrimental effect on your life if you don't keep up with them and do the work. today for me it's once again heartbreaking and hard to find myself here after so many years, and after screams 23 years ago of never again, and here we are once again. >> zachary, you have done a great job of talking about how it sticks with you, if you're on a plane, the tarmac delay, the feeling of claustrophobia of something going wrong. in a conference room at work in a meeting, being in a small room and having a panic attack. it stays with you forever, and my feeling today is all we have done in 23 years is teach our young kids how to get better at these safety drills. i mean, you should hear what one of the students, let me just play for you what one of the students described, how good they've gotten at how they have to hide now in their classroom after their years of drills. so listen to this. >> when i heard him initiate our night lock system, and then next thing i knew i was helping barricading doors with our tables that we have in the rooms. i think we've been through these trainings since around 7th or 8th grade, once we started pushing tables, i kind of understood what was happening. just because of our training. knowing that the shooter was close, we knew that it was a better idea, and it was also part of the alice training to evacuate if possible, so we all just slowly hopped out a window, one by one, and started to run towards the meyer that was nearby. >> fred, they have been going through these since 7th grade, so now they know how to barricade their classroom door. >> i heard that young person earlier, and i'm going to be really honest, after i heard that, i cried. we can't keep doing this. we're teaching our kids to expect terror. we are raising a generation of kids who are growing up with the expectation that they can be shot any time, any place, instead of showing them the leadership and doing something about it. and again, to save lives is not saying you're against gun owners or the second amendment. it's saying you want to ensure everyone also has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. i heard that young person, and i cried this morning. because it's not fair. it's not right. i visit my daughter at a cemetery, but you know what, my son was in the school at the same time, just like zachary, and these kids are going to grow up living with that forever. we are better than this as a country. this is the sanctity of life conversation and we can still get this right, but we're running out of time. >> and on fred's point there, it's sickening. i had one bad day at columbine, i had four good years and one bad day, i lived like a typically kid, go to lunch with my friends and live my life. that's not a reality anymore. they don't get that luxury, and the ongoing trauma of learning to barricade, run, and fight, and as opposed to taking action that can save kids lives. the press conference is beginning on this topic, gentlemen, i so appreciate you. i appreciate everything that you have said, and if we're not tempted to cry today, then i don't know what has become of us because everything that you're saying, fred, and zachary makes me want to cry right now. we have gotten ourselves into a horrible position, and i just appreciate always both of your wisdom on this very much. so fred guttenberg, and zachary, thank you very much, we're going to listen in now. >> thank you. >> thank you, gentlemen. holding this individual wholly and completely responsible for the deplorable tragic event that occurred by choice. and so we appreciate her stepping up quickly and charging this individual as an adult, which i have said from the beginning of this, i believe is most appropriate. you also know we put out really sadly, the 17-year-old fourth victim passed today at mclaren hospital shortly after 10:00, as our fourth deseecedent to die f gunshot wounds in tuesday's senseless shooting. you already know the other three tragic victims, and thankfully we're learning more about them, and hopefully will honor their memory, not just with the charges but to talk about their life and what amazing young people they were. you also know seven other people were injured. i'm going to update on their status. six students, one teacher, four remain hospitalized, three have been treated and released. 14-year-old male remains in serious condition with gsw gunshot wounds to the jaw and hand. a 17-year-old female with neck wounds. she is at the local area hospital. 14-year-old female has improved, thankfully. i would say no small part to great medical care, emergency responders, fire service, and prayers. quite frankly, the public, she has been removed from critical to stable with gunshot wounds to the left chest and neck. she's at hurley medical in flynn. and we have a 17-year-old female that still remains in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the chest. so still looking for prayers and support for her and her family. the following discharged was a 15-year-old male who had a wound to the left leg, a 17-year-old male who had a hip gunshot wound. he was discharged. and a 47-year-old female teacher that had suffered a gunshot wound to her left shoulder was discharged as you already know. again, the charges leveed by the prosecutor were supportive of, including one count of terrorism causing death because very clearly there were a lot of victims in that school other than the ones that were actually struck. and then in addition to that, she charged four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of assault with intent to do murder and 12 counts of felony firearm. our detectives right now are in the car on the way to district court 523 for a swear to to the facts and allegations contained in these warrants, and after those are sworn to, we anticipate that a video arraignment direct to the court will occur, and we are asking and joining the prosecutor to ask the judge that this individual be transferred to the oakland county jail from children's village. so we hope that the judge rules on that as well. i would like to update you on some of the information. this is still evolving, right. it's a crime scene. we have still got a ton of interviews to do, video to review, documents to review, search warrants that have been completed that have to be examined in terms of content and items that were seized, so sometimes things evolve. when i said last night that he had seven rounds left, he actually had 18. seven were in his pocket. they were loose, so he had an additional rounds in an actual magazine, so he had a total of 18 live rounds left. we have recovered 30 spent shell casings at this point, by processing the scene. meaning he fired more than 30 shots. more to the point, again, i think it highlights the fact that with this much ammunition still with him, 18 live rounds, the quick actions of the school and the lock down as well as the deputies getting in and going to the sound, going to the danger, saved lives. that doesn't minimize the loss or the tragedy, but it's important that we continue to look for ways to prevent these and if they ever tragically happen how we can mitigate and reduce that tragedy. the suspect we believe at this point now had three 15-round magazines, two were initially recovered by investigators and after a thorough forensic examination of the crime scene, which went until 5:30 this morning, another magazine was recovered. as i mentioned, the crime scene was searched and processed until 5:30 this morning, and has now been turned back to oxford schools. we're coordinating counseling and therapist efforts with care house to assist all oxford community schools, and we also have an offer for a crisis team from the fbi and we're grateful for that assistance. i would remind and encourage anyone whether they were there or feel traumatized by the event, it is strength to seek help, not weakness, that trauma affects people in dramatic and sad ways, and asking people for help, seeking a therapist or a counselor or a chaplain is an important step to process such a tragedy. also i want to clear up some of the incorrect information that keeps circulating. social media keeps ginning up a great deal of false information. a video was disseminated rather widely that showed the students in a classroom and depicted someone knocking on the door, and pretty much the allegation was that that was the suspect. we've now been able to determine that was not the suspect. excuse me, more than likely it was one of our plain clothes detectives, and he may have been talking bro, in a conversational manner to try to bring them down from the crisis, to say, come on, bro, let's get out of the classroom, let's get you outside, let's get you that kind of comment. the suspect we have now confirmed by analyzing all of the video from the time it began until the time we took him into custody never knocked on a door. so the other thing that we are seeing that we have heard on social media was that, again, we were notified about this threat in advance. false, the threat that we were notified in advance was one from november 11th that actually we did investigate and it was determined to be from georgia, not oakland county, and had no relationship to oxford schools and was cleared as such. that is continuing to be cross populated to this event. it has nothing to do with this event. so people are posting. i called the sheriff's office about a threat, it was a different set of circumstances that had nothing to do with this individual or the facts at hand. there were two events that happened fairly close proximity and time lines and the locations to oxford, both of them had nothing to do with this. we received no information about this individual prior to the shooting. >> we also were told that the school had some information or some contact with the individual. we had no information from the schools, but we have since learned that the schools did have contact with the student the day before and the day of the shooting for behavior in the classrooms that they felt was concerning. in fact, the parents were brought in the morning of the shooting and had a face-to-face meeting with the school. the content of that meeting obviously is part of the investigation, but we did not learn of that meeting, nor of the content of that meeting until after the shooting and during this investigation. so please, i remind everyone, be wary of social media and what's spread because it's hurtful to the community. it's hurtful to the victims, and it spreads false, sad misinformation. if anyone has information or believes they know something about this case or frankly any case or any potential threat anywhere in oakland county, please call our phone line that we've given out before at 248-858-4911 or you can e-mail us at ocso, oakland county sheriff's office, ocso@oakgov.com, and of course we always accept anonymous tips, so i'll try to answer questions if it do