♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone, i am dana perino along with the crew, it is 5:00 o'clock in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when you're out from the 2024 election. joe biden is losing stunning poles, painting a catastrophic picture for the president and donald trump leading joe biden, crucial to winning the white house, the only claims a narrow advantage in wisconsin, but that is not all wis the damage the je biden is digging up, critical support from all aspects, including that voters under 30 favor mr. biden by only a single percentage point, lead among hispanic voters is down to single digits and while they preferred mr. trump and women preferred mr. biden.ent, in speaking of the former president, david axelrod is suggesting that joe biden should drop out. >> it's not just political but actuarial, and there's a lot of. concern about the age issue. and that is something that i think that he needs to ponder, just do a check and say okay, io this the right thing to do. time is fleeting, this isab probably the last moment for him toly do that check, and it's probably good if he does. m >> david axelrod ieds not alone. the media is worried about the reelection prospects. >> these polls are alarming, but the joe biden campaign and the country needs tobide understando >> this is a wake-up call, nots just for the joe biden white house, but for anybody who fears the return to a trump presidency and what thatrumt would mean. >> you know, this has to be like a political situation on firele here."t >> 2 "the washington post" hadha pool and even if you remember "the washington post" put in theiutr own reporting that this. probably an outlier in which everyone should not freaeverk o, but several polls have shown th. same thing and now "the new york times" saying it as well. do you think that axelrod is speaking for many, willing to say what melanie democrats are not? >> well, first, there is a belief in the democratic party, the biggest things that unites democrats as they don't want donald trump as president again, to now have the polling,nsis consistent polling showing him not being able to defeat him ins key states, and when you get that kind of pulling going, youa has something to do with that there and something that i found interesting is that the 22% african-american support, the fact that trump was leading, the more president trump was winning. and the second thing is that president joe biden has named his plan bidenomics. y is always thert issue and it all comes back too the economy and the border, y we look at what we are dealing with in israel andte ukraine, as we listen to david axelrod, i heard the same thing, i wonder if he i s suggesting that the president's age coulde a lack of comfort with the vice president and are those issues thatpres t democrats that are hm their minds. running and obviously somebody is, you have to think about how do you stir support in south carolina and perhaps in iowa and necarow hampshire because of the challenges between the biden campaign and putting to put south carolina ioosin front. i saw a pool where some have reservation about president joe biden, so i would encourage the democrats to distinguish between one president obama was down in 2012, on two fronts. number one, president joe biden having this experience and number two, the person that was a front runner likely was mitt romney, i don't know if ite was, but s he didn't have some f the baggage that president trump -- and this is not an indictment on president trump, but he is facing a lot of legal counts and legal issues. so this is not just a five alarm fire, the white house has tot to think about pushing the resetd button. what is happening and what thewy part of the base, the mostth important part of the base. >> one of the things that they said last week is the fundamentalsdame are strong, the second thing is he gave a speeco in front of amtrak, talking about $25 billion for amtrak,do which does not address anything the people arees concerned abou. >> it is also very good here ask welle-. >> we will see if they lead their own call for a wake-up call. they need to run a pole to know that he will get that.er w and i may need to temper what i'm going to say about this, but when i see a pool that is this p good, i have a hard time staying awayard from it, this poll is definitely good, it is landslide city and 300 electoral votes, this is that he may wi is n the. popular votes and you know what that means is f you get somethig like that is that it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a rejection of bidenomics but instead an endorsement of maga, if you have a country voting this overwhelmingly, maybetry chicago is their country if the. shake out.he so you will have to uproot the entire green new deal and this is a full endorsement for the president to lock down the borders, they will have to do so for joe biden to win and much more than what they did before. that having $5 in your pocket is better than having $10, they ary going to have to tell you that war is good and that it is only a red state problem for border security and crime. but they are not gon that good a liar. blacks, hispanics, young americans, i'm looking at young americans and and it can shudder your entire coalition and and it's not just david axelrod, eric holdeerr said these judges shouldn't be throwing them in prism on g gag order violations. >> there is a lot of powerfulth forces that are aligning to get this guy out of here at this time, and now are you are getting these push and pull us from abc news, "the new york times," it's not"the looking go. >> this is also the pool that was before what is more withine the democratic party aboutout president joe biden strong support for israel which will. also chip away, currently peopl wanting to tell him to backuptob the support of israel. >> yes, that is correct, they do not approve of his approval.ood >> 8% think he would be a good for the country and then you look at president trump, who would be better off, 20% advantage on the economy, 9% of national security and before you get to the lack voters, your point, i never thought that you would read about this like that, unseen in presidential politics, that is the kind of support that he's getting a know a big cap yacht, you have toe to operationalize this, connecting 40 days oft 40 early voting andk have to thank votes.>> >> i just want to say that it's so great to be back around here. as you said, joe is down to single digits is what we have talked about, i think thats. we know what single digit americagi is giving in regards to that. so why don't we just tell him this is his second term.ll k you know, in all honesty it'sty not age, it is ability, it is actions, as predicted, give them a turn in between. >> nice words and no deeds and joe was supposed to smooth outmb much of those lumps in the sou nation's fabric. and we have more war, moreon, inflation, more unfettered illegal immigration. sotion this is why with trump yu need to focus on the deeds and live your life. so how do you do that? i had an epiphany, i wrote it down. s lii was listening to this cric talk about the opportunity. his divisive personality taking your eye offsona the ball. that is the reason that we were involved in this attack. the critics said that he admitted that the policy on the middle east was better and safer, but the personality was a problem. epiphany. trump is note in office, yet te still obsess over him three years later.s the opportunity costs greater under joe biden.yway and whether he wins or not, the derangement will persist, so you have trump obsessions and trump policy, and you can replace trump with any republica, n a because the obsession ornye or derangement will just takereal another form. if you want real opportunity costs, thinking about what wer were obsessed with under joe biden, fixed datbie we and scarh on the ukrainian conflict with russia and plus derangement without the 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[inaudible] ♪ ♪ >> we will remember in 2024. >> look who is back the former president barack obama is saying israel is also to blame for the war with hamas. >> nobody's hands are clean, alu of us are complacent to someas d horrific, there is no atiojustification for it. and what is also true is that the occupation and what isha happening to palestinians isun unbearable. >> all of us are complacent. arf e you complicit, jesseldre watters? >> no, if i was joe biden, i wouleir arred probably arrest oo what he does to his opponents. but imagine how disrespectful you have timago be, you have toe the current president, little room, and this treacherous situation with israel and palestine. and coming and he doesn't havehe to say that, he can take his spots so he wanted to come out and say this and he wanted to get to the left of joe biden.nd the second apology . is he trying to maybe move towards this? to the new american street which looks like this some days? i don't like what they did to the white house, i hate when they vandalize statues, lafayette, he came in to helpvo when the revolutionary warlu, he won at yorktown, we put his statue up across from the whiteh house, one of the biggest honors that you couldhous ever have, ad they defaced it. and so this is one of the mosteo secure parts of the world, we know who vandalized the white house walls,vand the statues. but you can spray paint all over the place, but if you walk wal through the p-uppercase-letter's believe he will throw you in jail for nine months. i really don't like how theyyoue treating these protesters, they are not fine people on both sides. >> you know, i was walkings. through town, and i see the missing signs that you see and he is nine months old, same months old as my son, my daughter and i said this is who we prayed for every night, and these protesters here are such h >> you know, he's a careful speaker and picks his words, he also knew that it was going to be public, unlike one president bush made remarks from a private event that were leased, what did he say, he supports president biden and that there is a guilty party and it is not israel. end of sentence and he hasn't been out there. but president obama had a bigg reunion with all oref the staff because they were doing the s groundbreaking in chicago, knowing that they were alll ga gathered there and instead of being ableead to say hey, every here, we need to support president joeed e biden, he is saying these things and also within their, the reaction on a tiktok is tondo much, he said si things that we would probably all agree with, but he sayss theveryone is complicit. no, sir. and i think that if we go back to the iranian point, like who is backing all of this? who has the money? who was trying to help them? i think all of that goes back th the administration, the joe biden administration. president obama basically gave permission to doobamrmis both sd not to help president joe biden. president joe biden is island withh support for israel, i hope that he can hold strong but it is going to be difficult for him to do so, but there could be another reason for him to say i am not running again, becausee i'm going to make sure that innocent people are protected, and that israel and the palestinians and figure out a thway forward, but right now wev have to eliminate hamas, and biden himself said as bad as c isis. so whae oft he was talking abous he wants to tie their hands even more than what he gave himself permission to do when he was was president. >> you know, you see this,ed a benjamin netanyahu, control your rage. it was babie lhe ps that were bd alive.nce >> persuasion makes you think about the stance, none of those people are thinking. t there's a great video that i e talked about, i don't know ifi they were women, there was a non-binary thing, but they had torn down a poster for a visual permmissing children and a guy n saying why did you do it andn they said please don't put me on the internet. and finally they got him or her to say why did you tear down and she said i just didn't like it should be there and that she ate her bagel. so she hates people but she loves their food?w i mean, do we allo--w the vandalism of our nations symbols? no, the liberals open the door to this and i'm not sure thathtt can be closed, republicans are not there to stop it, the police are not there to stop it. it's like an unruly and violent child and they can't control it, it is out there, as were obama, he is projecting. none of us brokered this deal tr help get billions of cash transfers are actingsm w nonchalantly projecting relativism, surrounded by aa multitude of arab statesst, andi think that part of this has to do with trump being successful with the abraham accords, that's always stuck wit h him, and ilice think it's weird how the police could be more respectful thane the ones that oni imagine, image unarmed female protester to death on january 6, after breaking a window like that, you can do that with oppressors butp you better not dpro it with the oppressed. because they are just cheering for genocide, so that is okay.ma >> do you relish that presidentc obama would be more clear? >> yes, lei do. i thought the take on it was spot on. and i would say two things. and i know we havein tgso leave here. i'm not sure why those standing up for the palestinians standing up rightly so don't start what they are saying, whatever they are going to say, with the idea anidd demand that they be released. these are civilians. these are not military personnel. these are children, these are daughters and sons, people at a concert. we have toto differentiate between. they say this is genocide. i don't agree with that, and ih. think it is unfair to say that without also saying that this moment is unlike any other moment than any individual has ever seen. i understand those who have not should, hoping to bring about au two state solution, but that conversation and where we arey today are two differenart conversations. l the hostages are released, it is hard to imagine to put into perspective.our if this number of americans were killed and 7000 americans were taken hostage in the same exercise, it is hard for msee te fathom, how i would not be behaving very similarly to how israelis were handling it. as much as we want to say things about president joe biden and s leadership, i think that what they are trying to do andi accomplish in the middle east, trying to curtail a bit of the israeli response and at the same time allow them to hold the coalition together, hopefullydo not to derail thn'e normalizati, that is the key, and i wish that the president would've given president joe biden some creditd and answers as opposed to whati he did. >> pray for the release of thosn hostages this evening. up next, fireworks in there courtroom,at threatening to thrw president trump off the witnessi stand, we have the stories right aftever this. rd. the all-new experian smart money™ debit card and digital checking account. it finds payments that could raise your credit scores without adding debt. it's no ordinary debit card... it's the smart debit card... only from experian. and that is worth celebrating. build credit without the debt. get your new experian smart money™ debit card and digital checking account through the experian app. i'm sarah escherich, i'm the life enrichment director at independence village, the senior living community in waukee, iowa. everybody here really, really make you feel like family and that they love you. our goal with tiktok was to enrich the lives of our residents and just to be able to show people what senior living can be like. i think i am a tiktok grandma. my kids think i am. i mean, we're the ones that are being entertained. time goes faster when you're having fun. >> it's a scam. >> it's a scam. >> this is a scam, it's a case that should be dismissed.ik >> address doesn't like when president trump explains whates happened because it's not goodii for his narrative. this is the judge that has an issue, if you see his behavior, you have seen his behavior with the presiden t today, an issue with facts that are not good with the case. >> the lawyer popping off a defiant defendant, donald trump testifying in a civil fraud trial in new york that can lead to the dismantling of a sprawling business empire.arri repeatedly sparring with a liberal judge who accused the former president of holding a campaign rally, even threatening to eject him from thtnese witnes stand, telling the lawyers of trump, i beseech you to control him, and if you can't, i will. okay, dana, are you happy or sad was not televised?ve besieged in a sentence? >> only in the bedroom. >> i beseech you, stop snoring.u [laughter] >> exactly. and he does snoring. >> i have been called a traitor to mtoy profession, i am againsi it. i think that it doesn' t necessarily help anybody in the courtroom and i think there is some good reporting that goes oe in the courtroom and look at thi sketches. they looderumpk pretty good, vey of president trump. cameras makes things better for anybody, and i think you look an what happened in the white house briefing room from 1997 whenmike mike made the briefings televised on the day that the lewinsky scandal broke. and realizing that everything i moving to video, but i like the tradition in the solemnity ofit havingy it without. >> we go back to the wide shot and there is louis ck there on the right. t and basically the most formidable candidate right now, do you get the feeling that he'a just being targeted? >> yes, greg. i've been thinking about it. >> and this is an excellent woman who works for fox, she will be on my show tonight, saying that laticia james, the new york attorney general, isd showing up and sitting in the long. she's not even arguingshe the , she's got crime waves, and whate is she doing? nothing, she is just sitting ini the back the courtroomng every day, watching the lawyers argue the trial and then she's giving a press conference i'm calling the former president names.ll what a wastein of time.na anmed the fact that no one has ever prosecuted a case like this in the history of nedw york state. it is crazy. cra >> it is crazy, harold. what do you have t.o say? this is personal. this isn't really about her job, is it. >> well, i have followed this in the press and i have read some of them emotions because i was curious, but i don't think most people know that the facts of the case have been so, but the judge granted some judgment, saying that the attorney general's argument, there has bee