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take a look. >> senator tommy tuberville of america, faced backlash after his own party, who angrily challenge his months-long blockade. they unanimously improved 61 military promotions by voice note for four hours. he rejected each nomination as his colleagues frustrations grew. >> we have done the best that we can to honor the request a fellow senator. that these nominations be bought to the floor and voted on, initially. and i really respect men of their word. i do not respect, and do not honor men who do not honor their word. >> no matter what you think, tuberville, this is doing damage to our military. i do not say that lightly. if this is the norm, who the hell wants to serve in the military when you have a promotion that can be canned based on something that you had nothing to do with? >> simply a, in my opinion, of abuse of the powers that we have as senators. to say if there is something that we vehemently disagree with, that we are going to use that power to hold up the promotion of over 350 men and women in our military. >> these are the people who are kicking indoors in fallujah, shooting terrorists in the face. and we have people saying they are desk jockeys and they're not warriors? that is just ridiculous. it is ridiculous. and it is insulting. the chinese admirals and their military, they are probably watching this debate right now going i cannot believe my luck. i cannot believe our luck. maybe we should attack taiwan tomorrow. we're going to look back at this episode and just be, stunned. in what a national security suicide missions became. >> senator sullivan served in the united states marine corps for many or. joni ernst, senator ernst served as well. you see the frustration. we've been hearing it privately. sometimes we'll hear mitch mcconnell say politely, i disagree with the way that he's doing. but it's the way that the system is set up. [inaudible] >> a lot of the jonathan has to do with the fact that you had an episode with a marine corps commandant. and by the way, i guarantee you every one of those senators first, of all, where angered behind the scenes. all along. >> i guarantee you every one of those senators got calls from the pentagon. going what in the holy [bleep] are you guys doing? we've got guys being sent to the hospital now. because one job is enough. to just absolutely rep somebody apart. you're making them do two, three, four jobs because of this clown? from alabama? that people in alabama even do not support? you know the pressure coming from the pentagon with one of their own being sent to the hospital on a health issue. you know it is getting intense now? >> that marine corps leader hospitalized over the weekend, hopefully, previously he's working two jobs. he couldn't do it. it was too much. and now we have this health episode. my understanding is talking to a few republicans involved that that played a role. as of course of the de-escalating crisis in the middle east. it's not a moment when it can't be anything beneficial readiness. as we have to pull aircraft carriers in the region. and there is still war in ukraine, and concerns about china and taiwan as well. and we saw from lindsey graham. who is a pro military hawk, he was very firm. dan sullivan the last, strongest voice there. there were other. sal taking shot, after, shot of their shot at tuberville who says he won't back down. he says he's staying with us despite the onslaught from his own party. >> he spoke quietly, but give george one of the hardest tags when she said, i don't respect men who do not keep their word. >> it really is an absurd situation. maybe they have been telling the sky, you can't play football without a roster. and he's just sitting there and lucky everything. partly the senate rules over that. but also, i've wondered, why it is that all of these officers have to have their commissions. to be confirmed by the senate. it does not make any sense because i understand that the constitution. the appointments clause of the constitution only requires officers. essentially cabinet heads to be confirmed by the senate. and by law congress can say that everyone else can be selected by just the president alone. or even by the courts of law. here you've got thousands of people up for a nomination. and it doesn't make sense. it doesn't add up with the senate rules. one senator can insist on debates on every single one of those. the rules as they are set up now depend on good faith. and what we're seeing here is not good faith. >> absolutely no good faith whatsoever. it has nothing to do with the military. it's gunning readiness. and as you heard senator sullivan say that it's gonna be catastrophic suicide mission that we put our military on. and unfortunately, you have that happening in the republicans in the senate. with tommy tuberville and then in the house you have house members who constantly iveson rate an attack. and pete down the united states military. hate the united states military. hate the generals that run the united states military. hey mark milley when he was chairman of the joint chiefs. so disrespectful that it was sickening. it made me sick. nobody. not even the most left during radical when i was on armed services ever traded a general or and admiral with such little respect and then you add on top of that. you actually have republicans in the past saying they wished the united states military was more like the russian military. the same russian military that tried to bomb russia in syria? like two minutes later 500 of the more debt. because guess what? you know what the special upset in syria? welcome to the party. do we really want our troops to be there? let me answer that. hello. ask any general not only in america than anywhere across the world. do you want your troops to be like the russian troops? or like american troops. i remember way back, 40 or i don't know how many years ago. i was in college. what was it an odd six? on seven? i do not know. but anyway it was a long time ago. and i remember even then it was a political science course on soviet history. and we're talking about the cold war and everything. and this professor happened i have a lot of experience. and you guys, look at our soldiers. regardless of what you hear. they think they're seven feet tall. they will never say it, they are scared to death of american marines. they want no part of it. and do you know what's changed in all of that? nothing. nothing. because the chinese are scared of our military. the russians are scared of our military. the north koreans are scared of our military. the world is are scared of our military. they quake in fear. the only people that don't seem to respect our military right now? are republicans on capitol hill and the guy who's gonna be the next president of the united states if the republicans have their way. it is grotesque, they stand alone in the world in their disrespect for the strength and the power and the minutes of americas armed services. >> well said sir. beyond the grotesqueness of it. the stupidest of it. there is one thing that pretty much everyone agrees on. public and democrat. of course not these democrats. is the respect and love and reference for military. i can go 4 to 2024 and basically think about an entire campaign, military, for joe biden. military for democrats. have a campaign called generally speaking where i get every general to come forward. as we already have and just come forward and said i understand the importance of readiness. i understand the importance of defending our country. >> and by the way. i'm better than your. because as the senator said, we are in fallujah. we were fighting across afghanistan and in iraq, tommy tuberville, while you are sitting there playing appalachia and stake. >> so if you have the military supporting tampa kratz, that's about as strong as an endorsement. >> tommy tuberville respect to the appalachians state. [laughter] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> i love appalachians that. some of the best people i know are from the appalachian state. i'm just say from auburn. it's a different level. >> it's not political ahead. >> but that's the campaign that i would run. generally speaking. and just have generals talking, and say here is one side, here's the other side. of course, if the republicans lose the military. and they've lost law and order. where have they gone? they have not much left. they have nothing left if i think what we're talking about lately. >> overthrowing the government? >> and the other thing, tommy tuberville is, i don't know whether the republican university of stupid, performative arts. the game is whether your jaw charlie. >> calling a guy whose mom survived the holocaust antisemite, and his family a, great number of them were lost in the holocaust, calling them an antisemite yesterday? our tuberville, who is on this today. >> matt gaetz, what he's done, is he is the formula. be really stupid, be really obnoxious, be completely off iraq or. getting exposure on television, raise money. >> but it on your instagram but only because what you're inciting. >> and in a way that school is. >> josh hawley insults. >> mayorkas. >> a man whose mother survived the holocaust. i think auschwitz. and he's so proud of it he puts it up on his instagram. because he is that shameless. he should've gone. >> to be an apology. >> any humanity at all he, would've apologized. no humanity, no shame. this is your republican party. >> morning joe weekend will be back after a short break! a short break they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. 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he's in the wrong state. it's really tough, i mean, to keep up with that. keep up with we are running again, so you, between the last two. he still thinks he's running against barack obama but he is not one of the people he's running again. maybe the reason why he doesn't know is because he wants debates in the republican primary. former new jersey governor, chris christie. what do you think? you know donald a long time. do you think when it gets up there, and he freaks out, he can't remember joe biden's name? because you see him struggling? and by the way, biden does it to. so biden does it to. so people, whenever they say this, while biden. okay, they're both old men. and they're both doing it. but he keeps saying that he's running against for oklahoma. and he seems struggling up there, trying to remember what decade he isn't. do you think it's the pressure of 91 counts? what do you think it is? >> i think it is the stress of what he knows it's coming. it is criminal problems. and i think this week, because from last week that's all post mark meadows. everybody who is watching this understand, from somebody who did this work for seven years, you don't give mark meadows immunity unless the evidence that he has is unimpeachable. and i said this yesterday, i want republican voters to understand this, what is going to be happening in march. it's gonna be sitting in a courtroom, in washington d.c., with mark meadows 20 feet away from him. saying that he committed crimes in front of me. on my watch. not some rogue prosecutor. >> i want to stop the right there. and i want to underline what i've said. because we've got a lot of democrats watching the show. but i'm sure you know, that we have a lot of republicans that are watching the show. and i just want to say to my republican friends that are watching, everybody that is testifying against donald trump, they are not editorial writers for the new york times, or primetime host of msnbc. they are all trumpers, who stayed with trump till the very end. >> this is the guy who was velcro'd to trump's hip. for the entire 2020 campaign. and all the post campaign nonsense. and so, this is deadly. it's done. he is going to be convicted. it's over. >> can he run for president, and delay, delay, delay and get out of it? >> i don't think he can delay. i don't have the impression that this court judge in washington is amenable to delay. >> it's a march 4th. so it's a march for trial right now. what do you think? maybe give or take a month. you think the judge may, may? >> it maybe it starts in april. maybe, maybe not the. she has not given much at this point into the defense claims for a delay. and i think that's why jacks mitt indicted this case with just trump. because, you don't have multiple defendants, this is it. he had six unindicted co conspiracies, not that they don't think he committed cries. but be he learned from the documents. and i think they made a mistake in that case. >> by the way, they can bring cases are against those other six later on if they don't cooperate? >> within the statute of limitations they can. >> let me ask you this question. let's say the trial is in mid march, last a month. he is convicted by mid april, and you look at the evidence that we know. it looks like it's an uphill battle for the defendant. i know trump's people are saying we will appeal, we will appeal. it's a d.c. circuit judge. it's a judge. it will go to the d.c. circuit, then the supreme court. they're gonna expedite this, aren't they? this is not going to be a year. >> i think they would. but remember, once you're convicted by a jury, you are convicted. so he's going to have all kinds of new restrictions placed on him, as now a convicted felon. >> what kind of you. >> all the things he can do. right now he's out on bail, let's remember. and once you are convicted, you have the right to remand him immediately. if you wanted to. >> a former president, though? >> i don't think they will. but the point is when that is the extreme alternative, you can place all kinds of restrictions on him and say, you do not like those? okay. >> or stay home. >> could be house arrest. >> ankle bracelet. >> it's a whole bunch of things that happen in terms of what he can do, where he can travel. he's going to have to go to probation to get permission to travel. >> what is he convicted of? >> in the january 6th case, he'll be convicted of obstructing congress. the actions that he took was obstructing congress. that's the main, and biggest charge that he's going to want to be convicted of. and i think that meadows, from what we are reading, and we're told that he was gonna say. and make sense to me knowing what was going on at the white house. is that everyone with any credibility was telling him that it wasn't stolen. you did not lose, he lost. you did not win. and that's everybody. that's meadows, that's pets up alone, eight that's bill barr, that's the campaign manager. everybody has testified. everyone's testified that they were telling him that you lost. they filed 60 lawsuits to try to challenge the results and went zero for 60. you have to get the state of mind, what was he thinking? it's not just subjective, it's not him saying i did not think it's a who cares? it's what it's all the objective evidence that we can present. and was it reasonable for you to have that state of mind? and i think any jury can conclude, giving all those people testified, that it was not unreasonable. >> we saw this in the january six committee. everybody around him, telling him, give up the ghost. call this off. as the governor said, not just a 60, 62 federal court decision against him, the supreme court with a lead out and thomas writing a concurring opinion saying, listen, there are not enough votes out there to change this election. but we should hear it on these other grounds. you have the most conservative justices calling bs on donald trump as well. >> and he kept going anyway. and here we are, i've told joe and others before. i grew up a boy preaching, i walked in the subway, and i knew guys in the neighborhood who kept getting in trouble. and rev, i need you to look out for me. i caught a case, i've never met anybody that said i caught four cases. i mean, this is amazing. but the question i want to raise to you, a broader question. we spent a lot of time this morning on the show talking about israel, hamas, and what's going on. how do we look to the world when you have a former president facing four cases, that will probably be convicted. what does this do to our image worldwide? running for presidents. how do you pull up to the table if you win, and even defend that we came that close? when we talk about other countries that have these kinds of people heading their. does this not damage american standing? >> if i pull up to the table as a new president. i think it fixes it. because in the end they'll say the american people considered all this, and made a choice to reject that type of person being behind the oval office. and lots of people, myself included, made mistakes and supporting donald trump. and so, if you correct that mistake, then your country can move on. but if he's behind investing in the oval office? just think about this. it was chaos from 17 to 21 with a lot of good people around him. a lot of really good people. none of those people, or people like him, are coming back if you ever run again. none of them. because they see the way people get treated. you saw his post yesterday about bill barr. and the stuff that he says about bill barr. and as we know, no one defended him regarding the russia staff. more than bill barr. and put his neck on the line for him on that. and now he calls him every may in the book. because that's who he is, and what doesn't, who wants to work for that? 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>> thank you so much, joe and micah, for having me on today. it's great to see you. i think it's plain and simple. if we don't continue this fight, ukraine, russia will when. and that will have a extremely delirious effect on our strategic incident. it will cost us more overtime. it will mean that russia will most likely take over, and annihilate ukraine and be on the border with nato. costing us more in repositioning troops to be even more on nato's eastern front. costing us more in terms of what we have to take away from other parts of the world. it's posing a direct threat of world war iii. the consequences couldn't be higher, the stakes couldn't be higher. it's excellent shull to ukraine, this fight, but in our overwhelming strategic interest of the united states that we help ukraine to prevail. and to push russia out of ukraine. >> madam ambassador, the conflict in ukraine has slipped from the headlines somewhat in the recent weeks because of the war in the middle east. of course russia's aggression continues. can you bring us something and what ukrainian counterparts are telling you in terms of how the fight is going and what they currently need? >> i just want to step back for a second, look at the strategic picture. what the united states, our part lies, and allies have done for ukraine already's health ukrainians take back over 50% of the territory taken by russia since the start of a full scale invasion. in 2022. that is extremely significant, and positive. ukrainians continue to fight. they are fighting using our military assistance which means equipment. but not our people. they have said that we are not asking you to put boots on the ground but we are asking for you, and other democracies, partners and allies to help us push the russians out of ukraine. to move ukraine back to the 1991 borders. >> madam ambassador, walter isaacson his has the next question. walter? >> madam ambassador. you painted a pretty apocalyptic picture of what happens if we don't get to ukraine aid. and it's quite possible it won't be passed. i know throughout this where there have been diplomatic initiatives from the chinese, the turks, and others. are there any different maddock frauds happening now? are there any plan to see if they're at least can be a cease-fire in this war? >> from my perspective, what i'm describing, i have almost 30 years of experience in this region. is that apocalyptic, but realistic. russia is determined not just to push and have more territory, but to take over ukraine. we saw this in the aggression, in the effort to take over the capitol. and what is happening is very serious to u.s. interests. and the idea of peace. no one more than ukrainians, one space, i've been out there with my team of incredible and extraordinary diplomats. working with ukrainians hand in glove. equipment and weapons. and i can tell you personally that there is no one more than president-elect he wants peace. however, a piece that is justifying or legitimate seizing a change of borders is not going to be a piece that can last. from my perspective, in my experience, i'm a professional diplomat. i've worked for five different presidents, this aggression from russia is extraordinarily dangerous to our interests. it's been going on for a long time. this is a moment where we can stop it and show the partners and allies. not us alone but show putin that this aggression needs to cease. >> madam ambassador what would be your message to some of these republicans who seem to be turning on the issue of ukraine? and bringing up the concept of not supporting ukraine. or not even including ukraine in the proposals that they bring into the table. if you could speak directly to them. >> i'm actually here in washington at the request of the secretary. to be able to justify and speak to why it's important for the united states to continue supporting ukraine. and so i have been on the senate side of congress yesterday. i will be there again today and also on the house side. my message is a very simple one and much like what i started with. is that it is an our strategic interest to support ukraine. and all the presidents budget request includes some 50 billion dollars that will in total go to help to build up our own defense industrial base. all of the security assistance that goes to ukraine? those in equipment. and that is u.s. equipment that is being built in the united states. also creating jobs and coming to ukraine. and ukrainians are using them to create an effect. i'm grateful myself that they are. myself and my team are also living in ukraine. it's in the overwhelming strategic interest of the united states in the context of ensuring voters aren't changed by force in europe again. in the context of energy security. russia also uses it as a weapon. in the context of food security. we are working really hard to help to get ukrainian grain in the entire world. especially to the global south. to food insecure countries. for many levels and for many reasons it's critically important. it is also a moral question. i have not ever seen a war my whole career in the contested zone of europe. and seen many conflicts. i started in the balkans and i've never seen anything like what is happening in ukraine. it's very reminiscent of world war ii. and it is a horrific attack. not just on military people. not just on ukraine's military forces. but on the people of ukraine. >> thank you. it's always good to have you on the show. we appreciate it. thank you very much. ahead, a closer look at the rise in antisemitism connected to the israel-hamas war. and we'll be joined by a prosecutor in new york state who says a terrorist attack on israel was a big factor in the decision not to seek reelection. morning joe will be right back. will be right back this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can dramatically relieve ra and psa symptoms, including fatigue for some. it can stop joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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trump influencing the doj. that's the one that we talk about all the time. i have managed to keep outside influence away from my decisions. that's how i know to be a prosecutor. and so i feel really good about what i've done and what we have accomplished in the office. and i think it's lasting change is exonerating a different man and dna. to the longest standing wrongful conviction in american history? that is the kind of thing i feel proud of and i can leave feeling good about but move on to something else. there are so many big burning issues in this world and i don't know exactly what is next. i don't do this to go jump into something else but i know it's -- >> those braiding vicious out there. and you talked about one of them which is a lead editorial in the wall street journal. and the internal war on the jews. now you see them again because it is so right. this is not a war against zionism. this is not a war against israel or anybody who tells them that are liars. this is a war on the jews. it's a war that the jews have been fighting for thousands and thousands of years. 6 million jews slaughtered in the holocaust and one jewish state, that jewish state under attack. and there are people all over the world saying that they shouldn't even have one state. so it could happen never again. from the global word on truth. what's at stake in the societies at this point. decades after the civilizational catastrophe of the holocaust. vowing never again to allow it to slide into such barbarism. but now we see now the attacks on jews is how that slide began. before i was chancellor hit 1933 there were rounds of -- inflicting political and antisemitic violence on the streets of germany. they too often went unchecked by police, prosecutors, and politicians. who did not understand that menace. sympathize with the offenders, does that sound familiar? on college campuses. and felt overwhelmed by the scale of the danger. the german state could no longer maintain its monopoly on violence in defense of democratic values. today's threats to democracy are different. but one lesson is the same and crystal clear, a western society that can't or will not muster the will to defend its jewish neighbors and fellow citizens, won't be able to defend itself really. and again, where does that start? that starts with where and what we teach our students. and i want to know, and i'm glad that biden administration is doing something about it. i want to know how people are allowed to lead the most elite universities in america. and they are morally confused and baffled by what they call the raping of women and the burning of babies? >> for most of us, this doesn't seem like a hard one. if you have to make a call about morality, about what happened, the human reaction would be, my god, it's grotesque and among the worst things i've ever read or heard about in my entire life. either it's not so bad or yeah, and then here comes the second clause that says yes but. to not be able to condemn what happened on october 7th unequivocally is a huge, moral failing. and we can also put this all into context like we have been talking about. the history of israel and all that stuff. benjamin netanyahu we've been talking about this morning. but especially as an academic leader, to say, hey guys. i know there's a protest on there but this is wrong. >> coming up! a landmark, executive order issued by president biden. establishes no standards for safety surrounding artificial intelligence. we will talk about that with a pioneering, a.i. researcher from m.i.t.. he from m.i.t.. you get vaccinated against pneumococcal pneumonia? 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>> absolutely. think of an-ism and it is happening with a.i.. sexism, ageism, and so forth. so whether you're thinking of hiring. and your a.i. tools that systematically take out the resumes if it has a woman's college listed on it. yet you might get a boost if your name is jared or you played lacrosse think. about in health care, where peoples insurance is actually getting cut off short. and so they don't get all of the medical treatment that they made. and it ends up being our higher cost later on. so we're seeing ageism in that type of an example. you also have schools adopting systems meant to catch cheating and so forth. and those situations, we're seeing that black and brown students are more likely to be flagged as cheating or people with english as a second language. even when they are not. >> mike? >> this is extraordinarily interesting and where some. how can the same technology, can the same technology be used to avoid this? trying to get a more equitable playing field? >> i think it's important that we don't just look at technical systems but social technical systems. and that's why the executive order is so important. so trying to a eywith a eye is not w we want to be doing. it's bringing in those it's having safety teams in place. wectlly have a new type of role which is an analysts so people can ac send in the reports of what is going on. sometimes before companies even know that there is a problem. so i definitely think we don't want to look at it as a purely tech against tech situation. >> first of all i'm afraid to ask you a question. the founder of the algorithmic [laughter] [inaudible] >> can't even say. it >> i'm shaking before i ask you this question, but the question is why are so many people afraid of a? >> part of it is being caught in between fear and fascination. so, is a i going to replace me? and the capabilities of generative a.i. systems. it's not just, can i write the essay for the kid in school. can i write the newscast? you have deepfakes. you saw him hanks. >> i don't know how you can put controls or boundaries on it. >> that's what the executive order attempts to do, in a very comprehensive way. >> it will? >> i think it's up to the implementation. so i certainly think it is a good starting around, i also think what is happening across the pond in the uk, this week, with the a.i. safety summit is going to look at what global governance of a.i. looks like. >> doctor, the fear that a.i. could be used around the elections, the information has been raised. is that unfounded? and if there is that, how do we make sure we are not seeing misinformation used because of a eye? >> that fear is absolutely grounded. we have already seen for example deepfakes of heads of state. saying things that they never said. and we also. >> it happened in slovakia. in the election and slovakia. >> this is a real concern and. you also have synthetic media. and with a.i. some storms that allow people to create media that you're not sure is real or fake. it creates a bit of an liars dividend. because now we're questiong everything we have seen. even if it is true. >> we need to have you back. the new book is entitled and masking a i. my mission to protect what is human in a world of machines. it is on sale today. doctor joy thank you so much. it is great to have you on. and great to meet you. >> thank you guys for having me. >> that does it for the first hour of morning joe: weekend but we are not done yet. more of the week's top stories right after the break. eak. a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. with boost infinite, get iphone 15 pro with titanium and save up to 40% on your monthly bill. transcend to a wireless utopia and experience america's smart network. with unparalleled coverage from three of the nation's top wireless networks. no trade-in needed to get iphone 15 pro with titanium on us. save up to 40% on your monthly bill and enjoy the latest iphone every year with unlimited wireless. ♪♪ no. ♪♪ -no. -nuh-uh. ♪♪ yeah. oh. yes. ♪♪ oh yeah. yes. isn't this great? 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[inaudible] >> some of these military personnel even with comment. they were doing two jobs. why would you make it more harder for them to do their job? >> 2000 people work for me. okay? some of these guys work 18 hours a day. blame me for his heart attack? give me a break. these guys work 18 to 20 hours a day no matter what. that is what we do. i did that for years. because you have to get the job done. and you take it, you try to do everything yourself. so we're not going to go down that route. >> so joe, senator tim about comparing his late nights in the film room, preferring for lsu to a military leader. carrying out the duties of protecting the country. also, we have to point out again, it was two days ago that his fellow republican senators, that the dam broke out all of this. and they told republicans to stop what you're doing. they made the case to him. but he is totally unfazed, and totally glib about it right there. >> it totally is a problem, and you're, right republicans, especially republicans who have actually served in the military were just better at what he is doing. to america's readiness. and they are saying that it's attacking america's readiness, and as republican senators say that president xi is chairing this in china. this helps the communist chinese. 's health vladimir putin and russia. this helps north korea. and i'm not saying it, republicans, republican senators who most importantly, fought in iraq and afghanistan, are the one saying it. and it is really extraordinary that the ignorance, the complete and total ignorance that tommy tuberville has about the united states military, about what they do, about this country's history. he showed that from the very beginning right after he got elected. very confused about just basic facts about world war ii. basic facts about the united states military. how deeply offensive that this, this guy would compare himself, looking at game film. and drawing out exes and owes on the board. to try to beat mississippi state, or some other southeastern conference football team on the saturday morning, saturday afternoon, to compare that with the marine commandant who literally has, in his or her hands, the lives of thousands and thousands! of young men and women. who have put their lives on hold to defend the united states of america. really, it's really, it's so extraordinarily offensive. it is so deeply offensive that we have this guy. i want to use another word, i'm not going to use it this morning. but we have this guy who is so ignorance that he really does believe what he did at auburn was just as stressful as what a general running the united states marines has to do every day. has to worry about every day. it's, you know, tuberville is thinking let's see. do i rush for five in the situation? the marine commandant thinking how do i balance what is going on in the middle east, with what's going on in central europe, with what's going on in china? what do we do? if the chinese, what do we be called to do if the chinese invade taiwan and threatened a third world war? what do we do if iran comes in and we are asked to go in and protects american interests in the middle east at the same time, we have to keep our eyes on russia's and beijing of ukraine. again, the ignorance is extraordinary. i'll tell you who's the egg russ. it's the republican senators that serve with him, that see him every day. that see him every day. that have to deal with him. it's that ignorance, and more than ignorance, contemptuous of the service our men and women in uniform do for all of us. to put our country into for all americans every day of their life. >> it is stunning to to watch how cavalier he is in this clip saying he's fine he had a heart attack, we all work long days, things happen, it's not my fault. and to be so removed as this criticism as his fellow republican step up. mitch mcconnell saying on tuesday, it has to stop, this is a mistake. we have to clear this and get all these nominees through and vote on them at least. is there any sense that he's feeling any of the pressure, if not from the white house or the military, the pentagon itself. from at least some of the people he works alongside within the republican party? >> those i have talked to on the hill say, only a little. he has, we did relent the other day and allowed three more promotions that were able to get through yesterday as well. but he thinks this is a good issue for him. i'm told he. does believe this play as well with voters at home. that he is making a stand for pro-life beliefs. and we have been cataloging all week about the erroneous things that he and some of his federal republicans have been saying about the u.s. military. but the ignorance is palpable. the republicans, many of them, not all, but many of them have been seething for weeks if, not months about this. and it's forced into the open this week. including some will have, like senator ernst, senator graham, who have ties to the military themselves. who really, really believed him. the comments the other day. i'm told that pressure is going to increase on tuberville both behind the scenes and in public from fellow republicans. not just the democrats who have been doing it all along. there is a sense that more of the promotions will get through, but it will be slow. it will be slow and it questions the americans military readiness in the midterm. >> up next, conversations with florida governor, ron desantis about his presidential campaign, and running against former president trump! esident trump! upport cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say, ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. after switching to the farmer's dog we noticed so many improvements in remi's health. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy. it looks like nutritious food, and it is. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. get started at longlivedogs.com ( ♪♪ ) i really do think cilantro tastes like soap. soap? 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ask your rheumatologist for rinvoq. and take back what's yours. >> this week we spoke to learn how abbvie could help you save. florida governor ron desantis about his 2024 presidential campaign. whether has any chance of catching up with donald trump. here's part of that conversation. so we've been hearing governor since you started your campaign, that you were going to collapse and things were falling. and falling from the sky. and, yet, it is donald trump who seems to be afraid to go to debates. this is the third debate i guess coming up next week in miami that he is going to skip. do you think any candidate that is the afraid to debate his opponents in a primary should be president of the united states? >> we are not going to win as republicans, joe, by adopting the strategy that biden did being in the basement and the campaign. that's effectively what donald trump is doing. he's affecting the debates we've got. a lot of issues that the company is facing right now. it requires steady, focus, strong leadership. you have to be able to defend your record, and you have to be able to articulate how you're going to take the country in a better direction. so my view about why he should debate? i mean, i want to fight for people. and donald trump is perceived by republicans as a fighter, but i also want to win for people. that means winning elections, but also means winning on these policy fights. donald trump even now is saying that his famous promise to build the wall and have mexico pay for it, that he never intended to do it because he said that in mexico there was no mechanism to deal with it. they were actual remittances, that's what i would do. but we need a leader to lead forward. you have to have a unifying mission. but i would say this, you have something about, ever since iran there's no narrative. trump is spending massive amounts of money attacking me in iowa. he's had a campaign in iowa. so if he is saying that he so far up he does not need to debate. that is belied by their activity on the ground there. >> it's interesting, joe biden may have spent a lot of time in his basement but he climbed out of that basement to debate the democrats and republicans. >> that is true! >> and trump, while he won't even get out of where he is staying. i wonder if it's because, a lot of times when he gets out there he thinks he is running against barack obama? i mean he keeps bringing up barack obama. he keeps saying these really bizarre things. i guess last week, i may have seen this on one of yards supported sites. but he told voters that they did not have to go out and vote. don't worry about it, you don't have to go out and vote. and then he keeps circling back to he thought he run against 16, he thought he's running against obama in 24. do you think some people around them are afraid to do the debate because he seems to lose his concentration, his train of thought? >> also, you look back and joe biden in the debate. the first debate against biden. biden beat trump. a bunch of people, we were excited for it. and we were stunned at the end of the debate about how bad it was, and it did hurt his numbers. and i think it had an impact on the election. so he needs to prove to a republicans that he's going to be somebody that is going to be able to be up there and get the job done. but you are right, when he is off the teleprompter now, you do see things where he is saying things about not voting. where he saying things about there is no way he was going to have mexico pay for the wall. a lot of these different things. i think you have to go up there, you have to be able to speak from the heart. we're out there campaigning, and i'm not out there using a teleprompter i'm speaking what i believe. governor, can i add one more thing? he also, weirdly enough, sometimes wandering around and blaming pro life voters for what happened in 2022. i am trying to figure it out. i have been very clear about -- it >> he called the litigation. >> i think your six-week ban is extreme. i, personally, think that. i think it should be around 15 to 16 weeks or so. again, be that as it may, i know where you stand. you can tell iowa voters, and south carolina voters, where you stand. donald trump goes out and sometimes, weirdly enough, he starts attacking pro-life voters. like, he blamed them for not coming out in 2022. now he is trying to be everything to everyone. oh, i've got a plan. everyone is going to love me. yeah, he sort of just wanders off instead of actually explaining what he's going to do. on an issue that is, probably, one of the most important issues to iowa republicans. >> well, clearly, it is a stark difference from his speech at the march for life when he was president. that is not what he was saying that. and he said he was one of us in terms of being a pro life president. now he is saying protections, when there is a detectable heartbeat, for number child is somehow a terrible thing. that is not what iowa republicans believe. i think more and more are going to be familiar with those comments over the next couple of months. it is a flip on where he had been, previously. i think it raises the issue of, you go back to 2015 2016 the trump of that time, he was clicking as a candidate. he had energy, he was out there riffing, he was controversial but in a way that was edgy. i think people said, you know what? this political system needs to be shaken up. this is a different donald trump in 2023. i don't think he has the same energy, i don't think he has the same pizzazz. 2015 and 16 once about america first. i think this campaign is more about trump first. it is more about his issues. i think we have to focus on the american peoples issues. >> governor, good morning. thank you for being on with us. when you entered the race back and made there were a lot of hopes put to you by republicans who are looking to go somewhere else and donald trump. coming off of a 19-point, almost 20-point win in a big, diverse, state, like florida. clearly, you know when they're in a big states. what is your assessment now as we look at the real clear averages and heavy down 46 points to donald trump? you had been much closer in the beginning. what is your assessment of the way the campaign has gone over the last six months? e campaign haswell, look, when o the race we were bracing for these indictments. i think it is helped, i think it is sucked out the oxygen. we knew it's going to be a brutal summer. i was not someone who thght, nationally, we were gonna see major movement in those national polls. it is a state by state process. we have woed really hard to lay the groundwork in all the early states. that is not necessarily something that shows up in a poll but i think if you look at what we've done we have built a foundation. now we are and of incision where we are in the home stretch. most people have not made up their minds in iowa or new hampshire. i was with governor sununu last week. he thinks the majority of republican primary voters in new hampshire are not gonna decide until january. the key is really creating that foundation. i think we have shown, a lot of the numbers that come out, you can take it all with a grain of salt, we have the highest percentage of people in iowa who are actively considering voting for me. i have the highest favorable lucky. that gives you the base of voters to draw from. you just have to go in and make the sale. that is what we are going to do. >> it's interesting, we have two and a half months left, which is a lifetime in politics. one of the things that surprised me in that poll we showed earlier, it's so phenomenal. trump is at 50 55% but sometimes ask republicans, are you set on your candidate? the numbers are much lower than i expect. sometimes in the 40s! this is still a very fluid race. >> there are people, governor, who say when they look at that iowa poll that we just had up there they are still down 27 poin. perhaps your theory of the case is to just hang in. they're hanging around. some of these indictments may turn into convictions for donald trump. finally, donald trump will be abandoned. is that a fair assessment? >> not really. i think so far those cases have actually helped him because i think it is rallied support. i think people are sympathetic. i think what you see, joe is right, in iowa he has some hard support. a lot of those people are looking at other candidates. their default is trump. he's the most famous person in politics. we understand that. when we get in there and show that we are a viable tentative. someone who will fight for them, and fight smartly so we can win again as republicans, not just the election would actually deliver on our promises and then lead with a positive vision to bring about a great american come back. if we do that than we are going to be in good shape. we are going to be able to do it. people are not locked in. that is very true. in iowa i don't think they are locked in, new hampshire they are not locking in. we are not hoping for any type of special intervention. we are going to go win it by convincing the plurality of the voters that we are the best choice. >> up next, we are digging into another important aspect of the israel-hamas war. reporting by journalists amid air strikes and a ground invasion in gaza. this comes as israeli forces are warning that they cannot guarantee the safety of reporters and the territory. we'll be joined by award-winning journalist who have reported from war zones to talk about that. i'm in everybodies home and my favorite homes are wayfair homes. the wayfair homes just have that razzle dazzle. they redid the guest room. all at prices you can't believe but you should and blitzen fast shipping, north pole in two days so this year go to wayfair for goodness sake. the gifts. you have one job nick. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ a lot of a lot of this is spring semester at over 13,000 us school districts, which have become top targets for ransomware attacks. but there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. which is why thousands of schools like the fairfield-suisun unified school district switched to google tools for education. so they can focus on teaching and 22,000 students can focus on learning, knowing that their data is secure. ( ♪♪ ) thousands have been killed in the war between israel and hamas, including, at least, 31 journalist. that is according to preliminary investigations by the committee to protect journalists. the report also notes that eight other journalists have been injured. nine more are missing, or detained. just last week the israeli defense forces told reuters and frances international news agency that it could not guarantee the safety of their journalists operating in the gaza strip. journalists in conflict zones play a crucial role in shining a light on the realities of war often at great personal risk. the importance of this dangerous work is recognized by the international women's media foundation, or the eye wmbf. a year the organization honors women journalist brave incredible odds to report the truth with the courage and journalism award. joining us now are two recipients of this year's i wrmf courage in journalism a world. -- visiting the u.s. from iran for the first time and chauvin agreed he the chief ukraine correspondent for the russian war. joining us is louisa nunez, the executive director of the international women's media foundation. i have to mention, and some new again, who chairs the event. the great and some new gun, of course, married to mike, as well. >> sadly for and. >> we thank and for being a part of this. this event, seems, if it is possible, even more impossible to see it with everything that is going on. tell us what you plan to accomplish every year by shining a light on these women. >> this year is the 34th year that we have held the courage in journalism awards. if you can imagine, 34 years women journalists have been risking it all to report the truth and to get us the news. indeed, this year does seem especially heavy and difficult with all of the deaths that we are hearing about daily. ukraine followed by gaza and israel. we think it is critically important to recognize that these journalists are out there every day to get us the most important stories of our day. without them we would have no information about what is going on. we think it is critically important to have the bravest journalists in the world recognized and honored for all that they risk and all of their sacrifices, for us. >> we have been all over ukraine, from the beginning of the war. talk about the importance of getting that story to the rest of the world. >> absolutely. i think our team's commitment to covering the story has not wavered since the full scale invasion was launched in the early hours of february 24th 2022. even as attention may divert away from ukraine at times, our team is constantly on the ground. both in kyiv and on the front lines in the east and south. we are completely committed to documenting, especially, the civilian toll of the conflict. i was recently covering the horrific missile strike on a funeral that killed more than 50 civilians in the village of -- in the kharkiv region. i spent a long time in the morgue after looking at the body to confirm. i saw only one in military uniform. the rest were absolutely, certainly, civilians. documenting that kind of potential war crime is really our mission. >> we see the photos. gripping photos. heartbreaking photos. we read these stories. tell us about the impact that you have seen. the human toll on ukrainians that are enduring one strike on civilian targets after another. dealing with a strike now for over a year and a half. >> absolutely. it never gets easier. watching the resilience of the ukrainians is astounding. they shouldn't have to be resilient. just like anyone else in the war zone they arriving to the occasion. it is an occasion that no one should ever have to experience. it never gets easier to watch a mother and father grieving over the body of their child or to see fellow journalist killed on the front line trying to bring the truth, like alicia mentioned. that is why it's so important the organizations like the i wrmf continue to support, not only people like me who is a major stuff journal for me to paper but also the freelance and local journalist or risking their lives to bring us the truth. >> to chauvin's point about risking your lives to bring people the story, it is difficult, incredibly difficult, to maintain safety in the war zone. female or male. the critical component is access to the story. can you talk about that? >> you mean in the war zones are always? >> in your case, just in general. >> i am working in a country like iran, and in the middle east. working as a journalist is always hard there. we are facing different kinds of problems. as women, when you are there, you know you are facing other problems that may stop you from working. >> yes. >> it is double. >> let's point out, just recently, what you have been through. you received the 2023 justice for women journalism award. in september 2022, yalta was arrested by security agents of the morality police and downtown to ron. you are covering the protests covering the death of mahsa amini. you were put in prison, in a detention facility. you sustained injuries. so, what derives you? why do you still continue? >> i think i have to be the voice of my people. i was trying to, these 23 years that i worked as a photojournalist, but i am always trying to be honest and show the truth. i think that is the reason why they put me in jail. i tried my best, always, to show the realities. the system wants to censor everything. >> >> photo journalist yelled to -- the washington post chief ukraine correspondent, chauvin o'grady. executive director of iwmf alyssa nunez. thank you all very much for coming on the show this morning. thank you for what you do. still ahead on morning joe, the editor of commentary explains why we must find reasons to celebrate the good moments of life in the midst of so many daily horrors and tragedies. he has one specific example. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can dramatically relieve ra and psa symptoms, including fatigue for some. it can stop joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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>> laughter. maybe we are celebrating laughter. laughter is not only his name, and it's his guidepost, as it should be ours. these have been among the worst weeks of my life, all of our lives, i think. we cannot allow the evildoers to rob us of the glories of earth, it's beauties, it's bounties, it's joy. that is what they want from us, isaac. that is what they want from us tuesday. wanted to sink into despair. that what we can. off the goal is to take away the miracle that is our state, our homeland, the place -- it exists now in the wake of the holocaust because had it existed before there would have been no holocaust. just as there will be no holocaust now because there isn't a trio. justice we will live to laugh and to celebrate into live as jews. >> john, that is beautiful. >> wow! >> thank you so much. >> well, i am honored and moved that huge chose to share that. >> when darkness, in the darkest times, we see the lie. we appreciate it so much more. it's hard to read a post that you wrote a couple days ago without tearing up. you write this. i was in front of our synagogue. a car pulled up. two men in the front seat. one said, is a shoe building? i said, yes. he said, we are egyptian muslims. he said, we stand with you. we are sorry for what happened to you. we will stand with you. thank you, i said. trying not to crack. >> that was the night before the bar mitzvah when i spoke. we had a friday night dinner out the synagogue. i was waiting for my 93-year-old father to arrive in a taxicab to help him out, to bring him to the synagogue, where we had set up the dinner. this car pulls up, i am immediately, you know? my hackles go out. >> on guard? >> yeah, i'm on guard. i don't know what is going to happen. but it was such a beautiful and unexpected moment. i think the world has seen -- also, on twitter, this footage of this gentleman in forest hills queens confronted someone who is pulling down one of the handmade posters of the kidnapped kids. a more graphic or profane conversation. but, things like that mean so much. >> after seeing that video we thought, we are in that crime. >> you guys are. it means so much. >> up next, to the state department is honoring a big american company for helping refugees in eastern europe. we are going to be talking about it with the u.s. ambassador to poland. i help others. but i need to help protect myself. honestly? 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[speaking in a global language] >> [speaking in a global language] . >> i will bow out of this one. jonathan lemire, you have the first question. >> mister ambassador, good to see you. i don't know how you got by security. i do want to ask you about a number of pressing world affair issues in a moment but let's just talk a little bit about this affair here and why google and others are being honored. >> jonathan, this award falls under the rubric of collective response is the most effective response. it is important for the private sector to be involved in americas challenges and advancing our values abroad. that is why, google poland has been doing in poland. it has been helping ukrainian women who are refugees in poland develop skills to reengage their professional lives. they have generally embraced the refugee community in poland which amounts to millions of people embraced by that country. that is the kind of thing the secretary of state blinken's sucker hitting -- the ward for corporate excellence. frankly, it is a model that is being advanced by so many companies. american and polish, in poland. whether it is uber, amazon, hilton hotels or even a small group of truckers in poland, a group of print nurses, doing all they can to help those people who cannot help themselves. >> can you give us any of the individual stories, particularly of the women. most of the refugees who came across for women and children. i think it was something like 50 million have crossed from ukraine to poland. give us a couple of the individual stories of the women that you have been helping a google. is this a model that could be used to help refugees and other areas of the world? >> thank you so much for having me on the show and giving me the opportunity to tell you about these stories. indeed, exciting projects and campaigns. it has been very challenging at this time of war in poland of the best 20 years and has become that shelter for many brave ukrainian women who are left with no choice but to leave their homes and look for a new life. very often, in poland. they took advantage of a number of programs we offer. we were very humbled to see 2500 ukrainian women take on our scholarships and build towards google certificates that increase their qualifications and help find themselves in a completely new job market. we also launched a ukrainian support fund where half of the start-ups we supported were female funded. these were the stories of great women like -- , and the cofounder of the dot a.i. platform that connects i.t. talent in ukraine with global companies that offer their remote work. another great example -- who runs mine lee. this is a platform who connects people in need with license therapists. thanks to the scale up that google provided this platform conserve millions of people globally today. >> ambassador brzezinski, this is david ignatius and washington. you had a startling election result in poland this month where the center left coalition led by donald tusk defeated the ruling right wing group of parties. can you tell us about the significance of that for poland and, more broadly, for europe? this seemed like a big deal. >> sure. more broadly, significant for america. what happened on october 15th was a democratic mobilization of the people to express their voice through their vote. it was the highest turnout, in terms of voters, in modern polish history. donald tusk, a former president of the european council, one. his coalition won. the strategic opportunity that you point to, dave, it is clear. a creation of a new government, poland could renew its ties with the european union, with germany, and even with ukraine in one single act. ties between poland and those countries have become prickly recently. it is a real strategic opportunity, also, for america. you know david, we have thousands of american soldiers in poland today. collective security is working. one of the weak links was the relationship between poland and the european union. and poland and its european neighbors. now that can be strengthened. >> coming up, actors josh gad and andrew reynolds are live in studio on their new broadway production, guttenberg, the musical. you're watching morning joe we'll be right back. don't change that channel! nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. the chase ink business premier card is made for sam who makes, everyday products, designed smarter. genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. i'm in everybodies home chase for business. and my favorite homes are wayfair homes. the wayfair homes just have that razzle dazzle. they redid the guest room. all at prices you can't believe but you should and blitzen fast shipping, north pole in two days so this year go to wayfair for goodness sake. the gifts. you have one job nick. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ with the freestyle libre 2 system, know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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[inaudible] it is great to be on the morning joe. >> thank you so much. >> this feels very nice because we got to announce our show on this show. >> it makes me feel very tall, which i am not. >> how is it working together? it must be tough. >> you guys know. you have to fake it till you make it. >> exactly. >> i don't know if you know this but when you hear someone calling, weeping on the other end of the phone, it's josh. it's like, i can't deal with him another day! >> he makes me feel unsafe. >> he does make me feel unsafe. >> your hair looks really great. >> this must be hard for you. >> it has been, you were working together for a long time, because mormon was what? year 2011? >> great. it was really good stuff. >> it says here that you have told friends that, working with josh is the single most degrading experience amount higher life. this is inside the actors studio. you just make this stuff up? so, anyway, the most degrading experience of your life. >> it often can be. >> no, it is very rewarding. >> we are having the best time together. andrew and i love each other very much? >> he worked together well. >> i will tell you the truth -- >> please, do. >> he was the only guy i would come back to broadway with. it took me a decade, now? i was working on myself. i wanted to find an inner peace before i came back. >> how is that worked out? >> it hasn't. still working on it. with the help of andrew i know i can satisfy that itch. >> explain the show. >> either way, alex keep screaming, talk about the show! >> the show is, as he said, two guys who have decided to write a musical. they are new fans to musical theater. they have decided to write a historical musical about yohan guttenberg. a really sexy topic. there is not a lot of information about guttenberg so they just make it out. they figure it is historical fiction and we can just make it up. most of the show is a presentation of this musical about guttenberg. we talk directly to the audience very often. >> here is a look at another scene from guttenberg, the musical. sceni used to work in a nursing home -- >> we still do. >> yes. we went to the lip sync concerts for people in wheelchairs. >> they are such a great audience. >> mostly classics like franklin ahtra, james brown, cynthia lauper. >> sometimes we would take requests. >> one day, this poker from the back of the room name fran mcalister -- >> they have no idea what that is. you have to explain it to them. >> so, in nursing home lingo we call some money poker if you have to poker make sure she is still alive. she is still alive. >> really hard this morning. >> we they really love everyone and i love musical theater and they love to drink. the show actually, the show is really so funny but it has got such enormous hearts. and people leave the show feeling like people have come up to us and said it's like watching ted lasso on stage. you feel so good afterwards. >> that does it for us. we are back again monday at six a.m. eastern. hope you have a great week. e a great week >> good saturday morning katie phang is off this weekend. pushing for pause. secretary of state anthony blinken met with middle east foreign

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