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right now, a tentative hostage deal reach, pending israel approval. at this moment, prime minister netanyahu is meeting with his war cabinet. the potential deal inclusion a four to five-day pause in fighting to arrange for hostages being released. now, these numbers are subject to change. joining us is raf sanchez, and what officials in israel doing? what are we hearing? >> reporter: how so i, as we speak, benjamin netanyahu is sitting down with the war cabinet. in an hour, it will be the slightly larger security cabinet, but the critical meeting is the full cabinet, which will be at 1:00 p.m. eastern. that's where we expect the israeli government will vote to approve this tentative deal. jose, as you said, knowledge is time until ---ized, but you expectation is the israeli government, having negotiated this tentative agreement will now approve at the full cabinet. there are a number of far-right members of benjamin netanyahu's government who might vote against it, but it's believed the majority is there to approve this deal. as you said, jose, sources telling nbc news the broad outlines here are some 50 israeli women and children, as well as other nationalities, to be released in the coming days in exchange for several days of cease-fire. i can tell you, jose, there's a sense of ants pace across israel right now. this country has been absolutely glued to the news in the last 46 days, never more so than right now. for jose, for the families who have had some of the most anxious hours, these are some of the most anxious yet. jose? >> gabe, what do we know about the fact that even participation of the united states in this possible agreement? >> reporter: well, jose, the united states has been very involved in the negotiations. we've been hearing about that for the last days and weeks. u.s. officials stress that, you know, there is no final deal until there is a final deal. essentially they've been very cautious about all aspects of this coming together. as you heard raf mention, this does involve the exchange of 50 or so hostages held by hamas in exchange for about 150 israeli-held palestinian prisoners. but according to a sort familiar with the talks in the region, we're learning that could lead to the suspension of israeli drones for up to six hours every day. the u.s. has also been flying drones in the gaza strip. could it be that the u.s. would share intelligence with the israelis, even they're not the ones operating the drones? still a lot of questions to be ironed out. we heap to learn more as the progress moves forward. the number of trucks, an increase in humanitarian aid that could be a lowed into the gaza strip. it could be up to 300, 400 humanitarian aid trucks, appeared significantly more fuel heading into the gaza strip, which has been something that u.s. officials have been calling for over the last several days. now, president biden was asked yesterday whether he believed a deal was near. he says, i believe so. he held up his fingers, crossed hi fingers, so this is something that had been anticipated for the last couple days, but we kept hearing from u.s. officials here at the white house that this is all very tenuous. even now, we still had not gotten an official confirmation on a lot of the details here, other than, you know, some reporting from several sources as senior u.s. official, as well as an official family with the region, and it's all subject to the approval of the israeli government, which could happen over the coming days. >> you were talking about the mood in israel. you have spoken with families of hostages throughout this war. put into context what this moments means for them? >> reporter: we expect the first tranche will mainly be women and children, so if it is your child, grandchild, niece, nephew, or your sister or mother being held, you are hoping and praying they will be on this list. no one, as far as we can tell from the families, has yetting confirmation it would be their loved ones coming out as part of this deal. so these are anxious hours, but, jose, the numbers here are pretty brutal. there's some 240 hostages. we expect around 50 of them to be released until this deal, if it is confirmed, that means there is 190 families whose loved ones will not be coming out, at least not as part of this initial deal. we can be pretty confident the last people to come out will be the military-age males and soldiers. we spoke earlier to shelley, her 21-year-old son omar was kidnapped from the music festival. the last glimpse of him was in a video with his hands behind his back being carted away. she knows it's unlikely her son is coming out as part of this initial deal, and i asked her what this moment is like for her. take a listen. >> i'm happy for the ones who will get free, but i am sad for myself and for omar. as i said, i'm a mother and all a mother needs is to protect her son. no mother all over the world needs to feel like i feel now. >> reporter: jose, i asked her a painful question -- is she emotionally prepared for the possibility that it could be years before her son is released as part of negotiations? we saw an israeli soldier previously kidnapped in gaza. it took five years to negotiate his release. when i asked her that, she just said, no, no, no, no, he has to come out. jose? gabe, we expect the president to have anything to say today? this morning? >> reporter: it's an open question. president biden is set to hold an unrelated event regarding the administration's effort to combat fentanyl here at the white house very shortly. unclear if he might take questions at that event. we are not expecting an official statement from the white house so star. again, this is a situation where u.s. officials have calibrated their response very carefully, trying not to get ahead of the israelis, and the war cabinet, the full cabinet to meet over in israel, the white house certainly watching its words when it comes to that, so no statement expected from the president just yet. jose, as you heard raf mention, also speaking with a family member from one of the hostages this morning, the great-aunt of the 3-year-old being held, and she told me she had not heard from the state department just yet. so these are very anxious hours for these families, as they await. something else to point out, another part of this deal, the suspension -- potential suspension of overhead drone flights. that would be done also to allow hamas to consolidate hostages, because at this point, you'll recall the last several weeks we've been reporting that it's possible not all the hostages are being held by hamas. they could be being held by other groups. there is some potential in this deal for the consolidation of those hostages. certainly the logistics of that oh so complicated, and it should be very interesting to see how this deal, if and when it is announced, what the results are. >> just to take a pause, as you said. there's a 3-year-old little girl that today is going through day 45, 45, since she was abducted, taken on that da that caused so much death and destruction. gabe gutierrez and raf sanchez, thank you so much for being with us. joining us is ambassador dennis ross, a former senior director at the national security council, and retired -- ambassador, let me start with you, the tentative agreement is still not finalized. what would still need to be worked out? atould potentially upend this deem? deal? >> one is, it still has to be approved by the israeli cabinet. the military leadership and the military is in favor of this, and they're in favor because they feel a responsibility, having allowed these people to be taken in the first place, they feel a responsibility to make sure that anybody who can be released will be released. that's number one. number two, there's a sequence here. hamas is supposed to be releasing about 12 hostages per day. so what happens if they don't release the full 12? or what happens if they come back on day 2 or 3 and say, look, we can't find the others. they make the claim, which i'm sure in this case could be true -- that they don't have a lot of them. i'm quite dubious they will consolidate. it serves their interest to say, we need time. we may yet find that this is supposed to be, i think, four days. let's say on the fourth day they come back and say we can get another ten, but we need more time to get them, as a way to sort of extend this. this is the risk from the hamas factor. there's also the risk of do they accuse israel of not fully respecting the terms of this, either in terms of halting certain kinds of operations or affecting trucks that are coming in. there's different pieces of this. >> what do you see as the biggest logistical -- to follow up? >> especially from an urban war fare perspective, where troops are told to hold movement, and we already see idf soldiers that have cleared areas being attacked from the rear, they are risks and challenges, but both sides would have to fully communicate the adherence to the terms that the political apparatus has agreed to. very challenging. a couple times, there's no drone flights over the gaza strip by israel during this period? why the importance of that? it would seem as though those aren't essentially armed flights, but they're not participating in bombing. why the importance for hamas for not having drone flights? >> i mean without fully, you know, knowing, you have to assume that means they want freedom of maneuver in unoccupied areas. or even the to facilitate getting hostages from where they are to where the stage will happen. hamas wants a window of not just the stopping of fighting, but a window of freedom of movement in areas where they are. >> i was going to say that -- >> please do. >> -- there's concern that hamas will track -- not only when they move hostages, they themselves may be moving, and they're worried about israeli intelligence picking up their movements. so even if they're not specifically target at this point, israel will have better intelligence on where they may be, especial by if they decide to move. that's likely. >> ambassador, just wondering, you know, what -- obviously there's huge benefit to the families with however many are released -- i'm just wondering, ambassador, are there any benefits to the state of israel to continue having negotiations, either with a third party or elsewhere, with this organization going forward? >> there's obviously a risk. the risk is you slow the momentum of the military campaign. there's also a risk that the idea of normalizing context becomes pardon of a larger argument made for a cease-fire. the end sprout is hamas cannot be in control of gaza any longer. it means they have lost sharing organization at coherence. >> i apologize to both of you. let's go right to president biden. >> very soon. nothing is done until it's done. we have -- things are looking good at the moment. now, we're here today to talk about fentanyl and how to save more americans' lives. fentanyl is likely the number one killer of americans, and it's hit families from every state across the nation. curbing this crisis is something that every american can get behind, democrat and republican. that's why tackling this opioid epidemic is part of nigh unity agenda. we're working intensely to address this from every angle. our administration has taken steps to expand health-saving services, break down any barriers for treatment. we focus on prevention, harm reduction, treatment and recovery. that's been our focus. this -- on a meeting he's having at this hour at the white house to deal with the fentanyl crisis in our country. also, with the words just at the beginning of this planned meeting about what is going on in between israel and hamas, and the possibility that in short order we could see the beginning of a process that would see liberation of some of the hostages that hamas and other groups have been holding in gaza for 45 days now. up next, why one of the former president trump's co-defendants in the election interference case could go back to jail today. plus, severe weather may affect your travel ahead of thanksgiving. what you need to know, next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. r. can't stop adding stuff to your cart? 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>>. >> reporter: a judge ordered him to appear in person. that's not something we typically seen. so the fact he'll be in the courtroom today, i'll be interested in his demeanor and how that plays out. the other is around the social media posts, specifically those regarding ruby freeman. basically they're framing this almost as a first amendment issue telling one outlet, yeah, maybe what he said could be seen as distasteful, but certainly not a violation of his bond agreement and not intimation. remember, the judge doesn't have to throw him back in jail. he could issue a stern warning, or order that he can't post anymore, restrict him from appearing on podcasts, so the question is how will the judge rule on all of this? finally, the other interesting thing that came out yesterday, is they believe this whole thing is retaliation, in their words, for turning down a plea deal offer from the d.a. so it would be interesting if any details of that come out today. >> katie, how likely is it that floyd goes back to jail? >> i think it's important not to look at him in a vacuum. harrison floyd was the last to get out of jail, because he currently has a federal criminal cases for assaulting a federal officer, so he has a history of contact with the judicial system. second context is the judge weighing the totality of the circumstances in front of him. floyd is being accused in this indictment of intimidation. that's exactly what the state is saying now, he's now intimidating the very witness who is the victim in the indictment that he's accused or alleged of intimidating. if you're judge mcafear, you have a few optioning, but it's mading how we're seeing these parallel issues, and now we have harrison floyd saying the first thing, this is my first amendment rights. there are limitations, you cannot impede the judicial sim by intimidating a witness or victim into not participating in the legal system. mcafee will truly operate in a vacuum in this instance. he's only going to look at what's going on with harrison floyd, the facts and circumstances of what's alleged. blayne and katie, thank to see you on set. you are the queen of everything here. >> you are so kind. coming up, severe weather sweeping across the country, including driving rain, tornadoes, even no. where the storms are heading next. 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