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CNNW John King USA May 27, 2011



a vision anchored in time tested truth. freedom is a god given right. >> there are many that say a palin campaign would squeeze out fell ee tea party favorite michele bachmann. but bachmann says she's ready to run and not worried about governor palin or anyone else. >> if i chose to run, i run to win. that's the only way that i do it, because if i'm it, i'm it, and i will do -- i am an extremely hard worker. >> a busy day, spicy day. we begin in islam bad. tense moments between america's top noigss and the highest military officer. secretary of state clinton made clear the united states has no evidence suggesting top pakistan military figures provided safe haven to osama bin laden, but also made clear obama administration expects pakistan to find out if lower level officials knew and expects pakistan to be a more consistent partner. >> america cannot and should not solve pakistan's problems. that's up to pakistan. but in solving its problems, pakistan should understand that anti-americanism and conspiracy theories will not make problems disappear. >> that meeting took place as word surfaced that bin laden at one point contemplated a deal with pakistan. he would call off attacks on pakistan targets in exchange for safe passage of al qaeda leaders. they were trying to make peace, trying to make amends, but polite words in public. we are told a tense meeting in private. >> reporter: frank and candid is what they say. this relationship has hit new lows since the raid that killed osama bin laden. effectively, the pakistanis say that violated their sovereignty. and this relationship really is such a strategic one is in a precarious situation now indeed. hillary clinton said at a turning point. she came here with a simple message and it is this. the united states puts a lot of money into pakistan, billions of dollars every year, it wants to see return on that. she wants to see action from the pakistanis to show they really want to mend this relationship. what does she want? more of an effort against the insurgents, commitments to go hard after the insurgents, lockdown that afghanistan, pakistan border, stop the flow of militants into afghanistan, all of that to aid the u.s. efforts to stabilize afghanistan and ultimately begin to draw down their troops. but in pakistan, they feel as if they're caught in the crossfire. tens of thousands of pakistanis died in the past ten years as a result of terrorist attacks. rather than see the u.s. as a help, they see them as a hinderance. many pakistanis saying they are actually the cause of the problems here. >> and anti-american sentiment strong to begin with, how much more intense is it now after the radon the bin laden compound? >> reporter: just before the bin laden compound, they took a poll and found a little over 10% support for the united states. that has plummeted even more since then. speaking personally as a reporter, the moment you go into the streets here, you feel the hostility. people will not even speak to us. they suspect us. police are often called the moment we go out to try to report or speak to anyone. now, the situation is this. people look at the united states and say the u.s. pressure on pakistan to try to go after the insurgents harder causes a blow back. the militants retaliate. they target civilians. tens of thousands of civilians have been killed in the past ten years. hillary clinton acknowledged that, but also said this relationship is vital and she wants to see more of an effort from pakistan to move forward. >> stan grant, live tonight. thank you. >> for more on what kind of a deal bin laden wanted from pakistan. >> reporter: that treasure trove that they hauled from the bin laden compound, analysts have been pouring over it the past week or so. they discovered documents that says osama bin laden and his aides talked about a deal, going to pakistan, saying look, we won't attack you, pakistan. in exchange, you allow our senior leadership to live here, basically to protect us. all of these come from messages between bin laden and his top operation chief over the last year. the key thing is, though, u.s. officials now tell us that they don't see an actual request by al qaeda. in other words, they don't see anything in which they actually went to pakistani officials with this offer on the table. they say it looks to be at this point just in the discussion phase by al qaeda leaders. >> just in the discussion phase, chris, that's an important point. is there anything that sheds any light on the relationship if there was a relationship between bin laden and some intermediary in the pakistani intelligence or government? >> reporter: you can look at it two ways, john. on one hand, it shows bin laden thought there was someone in the military or intelligence apparatus in pakistan that may be receptive to this deal. on the other hand, you could look at it from the pakistani side and they could say look, there was no deal on the table. we didn't know bin laden was there. senior u.s. officials have said this is a very mixed message from pakistan. on one hand, they say cut down on drone strikes, reduce the number of military trainers, shutting down some of the military intelligence sites in the country. but a senior u.s. official also said we asked for access to bin laden's wives, we got it. we asked for the stealth helicopter back, they gave it back. now they are allowing the cia to take a forensic team into the compound. so he said the relationship isn't beyond repair and shows maybe, just maybe there may be areas in which the cia and pakistan's intelligence service can find a way to work together going forward. >> pakistan's ambassador to the united states got agitated at the least when cnn asked him about bin laden's idea. >> the question is did he leave it with anyone. the u.s. government clearly says he did not, it was something that he and his asoes atmosphere were considering amongst themselves. if we knew something about it, we would have done something about it long ago. >> let's dig deeper on the u.s. pakistani relations and the united states. brian bennett with us, works the intelligence beat for los angeles times. i want you both to listen to secretary clinton after the meeting. on the one hand, she's trying to i don't know if make nice is the right words but calm the anger. she says we're at a turning point, and then -- >> we have reached a turning point. osama bin laden is dead, but al qaeda and its syndicate of terror remain a serious threat to us both. there is momentum toward political reconciliation in afghanistan, but the insurgency continues to operate from safe havens here in pakistan. >> almost ten years now after 9-11, fran, what she's saying is the problem is not afghanistan, the problem is pakistan. >> well, i think that's exactly right, john. look, this is to say the access, in advance of her trip, pakistanis agreed to give cia access to the compound. to call that a baby step is generous. this is really, really a small step. but they are desperate. they're looking for anything to build confidence between the u.s. and pakistan. and let's be honest, while we can be outraged by duplicity or come police tee on the part of their government, we can't afford to walk away from them. we need them in afghanistan. we can't afford -- the notion of walking away given the fact it is a nuclear country, we can't afford to risk nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the taliban. >> is it fair to say it is a transaction relationship more than strategic partnership? >> that's how it looked in the last couple weeks. she delayed the trip last week. during the course of that delay, it was when pakistan agreed to let the cia go on to the osama bin laden compound, and also gave access to the wives. so there is this going on. it is fair to have pakistan in half in than all the way out. >> what is your sense of your sources, still sources in the government, about secretary clinton says we have no evidence anyone in the government or high in the military was harboring bin laden, knew he was there. what is the sense of trust in the head of the intelligence services, that's where you always hear they provide safe haven to some of the pakistani taliban, al qaeda people, the bad guys. >> you know, john, funny you should ask. just today i met with a senior u.s. military official with firsthand knowledge of nato and operations. it was very clear to me at least that they have no confidence in the head of the pakistani intelligence service. it is likely he understood precisely what was going on. i think u.s. officials expect he may not retain his job. the question is will the head of the military retain his job. while they thought that was sort of assured, in the wake of the core acho attack on the naval air base, it is not clear kayani can survive. >> what is your sense of what the cia hopes to find or suspect is still left behind. navy s.e.a.l.s took what they could grab, but the c ia suggest maybe there's something in the walls or ground or other intelligence clues that you couldn't swoop up and grab. >> you can think of the compound as a crime scene. essentially there's a lot of material there. there could be dna evidence, could be some soil samples, they give indication of people that visited the house and where they had been in pakistan, afghanistan, or other parts of the world. that's all like crime scene investigation. that material is all there. could be collected and analyzed. it has been four weeks since the raid. who knows what the condition of the house is and how many people have gone through since then. >> appreciate your help tonight. very important story. we will stay on top of it. sarah palin revs up for a bus tour. and searching for people five days after joplin's tornado. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. ♪ [ male announcer ] humble beginnings are true beginnings. they are the purest way to gauge success. ♪ maybe the only way to gauge success. but the most powerful thing about humble beginnings is that they are... ♪ ...humbling. ♪ show where you're going without forgetting where you're from. ♪ you've been stuck in the garage while i've been sneezing from the dust in here, and the pollen outside. but with 24-hour zyrtec®, i get prescription strength relief from my allergy symptoms. it's the brand allergists recommend most. ♪ lilly and i are back on the road again, where we belong. with zyrtec® i can love the air®. [ male announcer ] get up to $6 in savings on zyrtec® products at zyrtectv.com. live pictures in joplin, missouri. look at the debris, talking weeks and months in the recovery effort. there's some progress, both in terms of identifying the victims and helping survivors move on with their lives. authorities say confirmed death toll is 132. that's up seven from last night. significantly the number of missing continues to shrink. it is 156 tonight, down from 232 this time yesterday. and authorities say at least 90 people originally thought to be missing have been found alive. still, there are many in joplin, many families that remain frustrated. brian todd has that story. brian? >> reporter: john, we saw one family today who had a memorial service for their son. his name is ray donald miller the third, he goes by the name trip. he was killed in the tornado. there was a memorial service today in joplin for him, but they had no body. they came and memorialized him. we have a picture from a local obituary in a paper. they have no body and don't know why the body hasn't been released. they know he is deceased because according to local media reports they were with him at a local hospital when he died. there is no answer why the body wasn't released. we tried to get answers today, calling the various entities dealing with the processing of the bodies. i don't want to name all of them, it will take the rest of the show. suffice it to say, we got no answer. that's part of the issue. when they try to go through the bodies, get the positive identification, do all of the forensics, sometimes takes longer than they want or the families want. but the information flow isn't what it should be either. >> the information flow is not what it should be, brian. i think we covered that, we should continue to cover it. these people deserve answers as quickly as possible. part of the issue and it is a bit gruesome, those that have been to the morgue to identify bodies, they're telling you their task is incredibly hard because of the severity of many of the fatal injuries, right? >> reporter: that's absolutely right. we don't need to go into the severity in graphic form but ranging from cuts and bruises and mud to much worse, and what one coroner did tell me often a family member will go into the morgue, say that's my brother, that's my sister or whatever, and then they come out after the body has been embalmed and cleaned up and they see the body and say wow, i was wrong. that's not from this, he is talking about other instances. families haven't been allowed to identify bodies from this tornado. that's the problem with false identification. early in the process, there are reports of one false identification where a body was taken to a funeral home and it was the wrong body. that led them to tighten up the process, not let the families in. >> brian todd, staying on top of this important story. we spent a couple days in joplin earlier in the week. many times i said throughout the week, it is incredibly hard to find the right words and perspective to describe the scope of the damage. let's look at before and after images as we come to the wall. you see in the middle, this is a satellite image, you can see the destruction and damage. let's take a closer look. st. john's hospital. here is before, look at the grassy campus, the trees, the hospital building here. this is before. come through here, that's the devastation left behind by the punishing, punishing tornado. that's just one image there, st. john's hospital. close that down. here is joplin high school. spent time here the other day. come over here. you see the green, the grass, the trees. remember this image, see all of the trees? the buildings here, the high school complex. watch when this comes through. look at that. see the trees? that's what is stunning. what's left in some cases is small sticks, the bark stripped right off of the trees. come back to the beginning. you see how beautiful beforehand. this housing complex, you see the swathe. starts here, comes up this way. again, look at the trees and all of the grass and the roofs of the buildings. houses up in here. take a close look. now watch this. that's before. it is as if a bomb went off. and again, if you look at where the trees are and where the grass is, ripped up everything into the ground. you see homes where plywood is down, wall to wall carpeting tacks are gone, carpet was ripped up, everything, taken away, ripped up by the powerful storm. despite these daunting images, a number of joplin residents are vowing, vowing to rebuild. >> at some point, we're going to have to stop scratching our heads and staring at the rubble and roll up our sleeves and get things back to some sort of normalcy. >> cc weigh ands is here from jopl joplin. you talked to people dealing with grief and pain but beginning to think around the corner to rebuilding and recovery? >> reporter: that's right. when you cover a story like this, you have a lot of images, most gruesome and bad. the one i remember is driving one of the these streets amid utter devastation like the pictures you were showing. there's a build, brand new wood and construction under way. couldn't believe it. we stopped and talked to the guy leading the construction process. a man named darren collins. he was rebuilding his wife's beauty salon which he built himself 17 years ago. it was of course completely demolished by the tornado. he says it is time to rebuild. there are five beauticians who are not working now because of this. he wants to get it rebuilt as soon as possible. he started the actual construction process thursday. he hopes to have the roof on the structure by sunday, and if power is back and gas is back and water and other services that are out, he hopes to have his wife back in business in 45 days. it is a real sign of hope for the community. >> that's one powerful example, casey. does he stand out or maybe a few steps ahead, or others saying we'll be right behind him? >> reporter: to use him as a gauge, he says just yesterday alone, he got six new jobs to rebuild structures here in joplin. he said that when he first went to city officials on tuesday, about a day and a half after the tornado struck, they looked at him in shock and surprise he wanted to rebuild so soon. next day he went to the city with plans and they approved it conditionally that he could start construction. decided to start rebuilding the next day. >> god bless him. casey wian, thank you. we wish all the residents luck in that complicated, long rebuilding process. what was congressman michele bachmann thinking when she said this. >> the president put us in a very bad position. i think it was a very bad move that the president made. 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