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>> it went good. we had a dozen fights over five years. we had nine wins and two draws and six knockouts and we did good. i had freddy roach -- >> fantastic character. did you ever think you could have been a proper contestant? >> i never say could have, would have, should have. i accomplished what i needed to accomplish going back at the age i accomplished, that's about all i could accomplish if that makes sense to you. >> but what does it give you, that feel wlug get in the ring? >> i needed the discipline. i didn't have that. i didn't know what to do with myself when i got up in the morning. i didn't know what to do in the afternoon. i was up all night. i was burning the candle at both ends. i needed something to center me. the acting want doing it, staying on my motorcycle wasn't doing it. it was time to park my bike. i don't like to use the word reinvent myself because i don't believe that but i needed something different. >> you had just come to the end of the "wrestler." you said it me because i was asking what every interview was asking you, whatever happened to mickey rourke. you looked at me and said i've just made the greatest movie of my career, this is going to be the one that brings me back and i wasn't sure whether to believe you if i'm honest. but you had this absolute conviction that the wrestler was going to be your comeback movie and, boy, was it the comeback movie. >> you know, i did the movie at a time when i still wasn't very bankable and i wasn't getting jobs that easily. i was starting to work again but nobody was putting big dollars on my head to do something. my agent called me and told me about this young filmmaker, this director, who i won't call you the son of a bitch. he wants everyone to think he's a walk in the park to work with so he can attract the talent but he's hard work. very talented. >> i imagine you're quite hard work, too. >> so i don't piss him off, they come along like darren every 30 years. he's got a larger brain than most of us. i said to someone the other day he's like a great football coach or trainer. he just keeps pulling more out of you. >> let's watch what he pulled out of you. here's a clip from "the wrestler." >> i'm the one who is supposed to take care of everything. i'm the one who is supposed to make everything okay for everybody. it just didn't work out like that. and i left. >> you haven't watched a second of that or listened to it. >> no. >> why? >> i don't like to hear myself graveling like that. i have to look at myself when i shave every day. that's enough. >> you had lots of surgical repairs after your boxing career. what do you see of yourself now, what do you think in. >> the guy did a really great job with the nose. i can't breathe out of it still. he took the cartilage from back here, rebuilt it. i have days i can't smell, days i can smell. i liked the nose before the six operations. it's part of it all. i can't feel it, it's numb. the hands are what bother me because the hands shake a little. >> is that from the fighting? >> i always had trouble with wrapping my hands because my hands would swell up and they still swell all the time. >> when your hollywood career went pear shaped, by your own admission your behavior was pretty out of control -- >> surely. >> when you realized it had all gone, what was living in hollywood, what was it like in a place that's driven by business? >> can you imagine? can you imagine walking to work not driving your whatever the hell is t is out there, austen martin? it's shameful. it's okay if you never made it. i worked very hard to become -- >> one of the biggest movie stars in the world. >> i worked very hard to become the best actor that i could be and to honor that and to try to -- and to say every day how can i be a better actor today than i was yesterday. and to take all of that over several years and throw it all away, i know why i did it now. i mean, i didn't know then. >> why do you think you did it? >> i did it because i had some issues when i was very young with authority and with physical -- >> you were abused by a family member who came into your family. >> that kind of [ bleep ]. it was that kind of thing. and instead of being all nervous and shaky and i got hard and i made myself stronger and i put on, as the doctor said, all this armor and all of a sudden years went by and this armor kept building on me and it became a weakness because it was backfiring. i associated with the wrong people and i was hanging out at the wrong places and i was, you know, i was out of control with any sort of responsibility for my actions or anything like that. and so all this -- everything that i cultivated instead of feeling shame or insignificant, it just back fired and all that armor became scary. >> and then the wilderness years, i mean, when you were walking, say, into a store, a grocery store or something, what was the reality of that? >> it was terrible. you go into a 7-11 to get whatever you're going to buy in there and, you know, cigarettes, a condom, a candy bar and you're in line with like eight people and there's always going to be some -- i was going to say [ bleep ] that say didn't you used to be -- and then they'll say i know who you are, you're -- and i go [ bleep ] -- >> what was the worst name? >> i'm not going to go there. in the old days i would have said a few names. but then you walk out thereof and you walk down the street and you just it's that sinking feeling. it's like i've said before, it's a town built on envy. when you mess up, whetherure a producer, writer, comedian, whatever, you can't wait to go like this. it's just the nature of the beast. >> who were the guys, the other actors, who really stuck by you? >> stallone helped me out. sean stuck by me. >> sean penn? >> right. even sean and i had an altercation and didn't talk to years. he gave me an afternoon's worth of work on a film he was doing with jack nicholsonicholson. i had nice moments in the 12 seconds i was on film. slowly over a 13-year period, they let me back in the door. >> i want to come back and ask you as delicately as i can about comments about your ex-wife. >> sure. whatever you want. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ? 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(phone ringing) chase sapphire preferred, this is julie in springfield. further, further. further. i'll put it right on the spot. right on the spot. there. oh, that's nice. >> even now you're loving every second of that, aren't you? be honest. >> well -- >> going to work -- >> it was a while ago, but we worked together for the first time since two days ago. >> did you, kim basinger from "9 1/2 weeks." >> yeah. >> tell me about that. >> it was one of the producers mark kenton, he called me and said, would you like to work a couple of days on something that kim's going to be -- do a couple days and with the director from nigeria. something called "niger delta" and he explained the character to me. just two days. i can handle that. i'm sure she can handle just two days, too. >> had you seen each other since? >> once. once. >> how extraordinary. >> yeah. >> when you met up again this time, how did it go? >> it's always nerve-racking. this was a long time ago and i wasn't -- i was a little wilder then, you know? i didn't understand her issues or where she was coming from nor was i interested. it was just, you know -- >> so when she first saw you again this time, was it affectionate? >> well, the first time we saw each other in over 20 years was last year or something. yeah, it was tearful. >> you shared a lot. a lot of fruit went down. >> yes. they said that, yeah. yeah. i can look at that now and it's a very interesting sort of almost like another lifetime experience, you know, it happened so long ago that movie. >> i mean, it was around that whole time -- >> there's not a day that i'm not out in a club or a bar walking down the street that some guy will come up to me, oh, man, i got laid because of you or did you -- i said, no, i didn't. so i hear about the movie. i often wondered does she. >> are you proud of it? from an acting point of view? >> i have never been until in the last couple of years kind of acknowledged it. because for some reason it wasn't the kind of movie i thought i should actually do with my time. >> a few years after that, you met up with carrie otis. >> yes. >> and she's written this memoir which is pretty explosive. having said that, every time i've interviewed you in the past you openly said that the marriage was explosive. >> yep. >> what was your view of the book? >> i don't have any desire to read it. to me, that's something that happened over 20 years ago. and, you know, just from what i've heard about it and what have you, i think it's probably kind of like a little sour grapes, chasing the buck and a delusional kind of narcissistic self-centered point of view. okay? anyway. what's the next thing you want to talk about? >> no, but it's fascinating. because i have discussed this with you before. >> well, i'm just saying, if you're going to write a book, then, you know, and you want to influence or help people, you know, in a certain position, a lot of people there's things that you know what i'm talking about here are taboo. >> despite everything. >> yeah. >> would you still, if you're honest, say that she remains the great love of your life? despite all the chaos -- >> not -- i think it's as it was put to me, you are in love with the idea of who you wanted her to be, not who she really is. and i -- >> do you think if you both hadn't been quite so messed up at the time. >> oh, of course. oh, yeah. >> do you ever wonder about that? >> no, i don't have to wonder. that's a fact. if i didn't have the physical abuse and she didn't have the thing with the [ bleep ] her father, who the hell knows? you know what i'm saying? but i can't talk about what happened to me with my stepfather and happened to my brothers because it's shameful and hurtful. and i feel very small talking about it. the way i've read about that kind of stuff is you pretend it never happens. so if you want to write a god damn book and help people, talk about what the real problem is, not the bull [ bleep ] you want to be a spokesman for a disease you never had. you know? you feel me? >> i think i'm feeling you, mickey. >> okay. >> tell me about women now. because you've become, since "the wrestler" -- >> i know nothing about women. >> have you learned nothing about women? do you understand them better? >> no, they're stronger than us. when they close the door and it hits them in the ass, they're gone. you can get on your knees and your belly and grovel like a -- you know, like a little pig, they ain't coming back. but we couldn't live without them. hey, listen, it would be a really terrible place if it was just me, you and these camera guys. >> it would be a terrible place. >> well -- maybe not for him. >> are an easier guy to go out with, to date, to be with? >> to date, not necessarily, no. but the thing with me right now is as time goes by, everything is not so sacred. it's not so important to get all upset about little things -- oh, i like that picture. my agent hated that outfit. and he said, you wonder why you lost the academy award. >> the academy award system, i would imagine that beneath all the sort of stuff that goes with mickey rourke and the stuff that sometimes you play up to, that underneath there's a very serious actor. would you see affirmation from the academy as an ongoing great thing for you? is that the ultimate? >> listen, just to get the second chance, they're letting me back in the door, i'm grateful to that. in any profession that you do, lots of professions, you don't even, you know, you don't get a second chance again. sports or whatever have you. it's over. i'm in a profession, i get a second chance. i get to work hard because change has been hard for me. and i am a certain kind of person. i've got to always watch myself. i'm never going to be -- it's never going to be like everything's okay now. it's never going to be okay. so i can blow it all in five seconds. >> do you still feel that? >> oh, yeah. i could blow it all in a heartbeat. >> do you still drink much? >> it wasn't the drinking. drinking was never my problem. >> what was your problem? >> my anger. >> and does that still flare up? >> sure. not -- i mean, i'm able to, because i work with someone, to deal with repercussions and be in a profession and taking on responsibility and being accountable if he said something to me right now under his breath that was disrespectful, you know, i might think a few seconds before or i might think -- >> you would still hit him. >> i'll get him later, absolutely. but i wouldn't charge under the table right now. you know? >> should i be feeling a little nervous here, mickey? >> i would do it in a diplomatic way. no, i'm just saying you have to plan things out. that didn't come out right. >> i need to take a break just to calm things down here. i'm feeling a bit physically threatened. >> geez. >> now you're wound up. we'll talk can about politics. >> you better call sean and tim robbins. they have something to say about that. the other office devices? 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[ professor ] good morning students. today, we're gonna... does he know of my rage? does he know that i live only to see his blood at the end of my sword? does he know he butchered my mother? >> he's seen your face, he knows. >> so mickey rourke's new movie "the immortals." did you enjoy making "the immortals"? >> it was a short job for me. the director, i said who was directing the movie, i thought it had a lot of integrity the genre. and i looked at the director's reel. that's what blew me away. tarsem, the director, he had done this nike commercial with all these masks, derek jeter and all these other football players and the masks that he was using to experiment for this thing. i saw his other commercials. this guy can really shoot, i knows about the lighting and the technical stuff. the i'm going to do this genre, i would like somebody who is going to keep the integrity to it and do something different. >> talking of different and integrity. >> yeah. >> your next movie project is fascinating. you'll be playing gareth thomas, a welsh rugby player who came out as gay. in fact, the first really famous player in any sport in the world who was still playing who came out. for him to do what he did, was an astonishing act of courage. because it could have gone any way. as it turned out, he got involved in huge support, but it wasn't easy for him. >> that's what attracted me to it. i was in london in a pub and somehow i ended up arm wrestling with these rugby players. they played the the giant and they gave me a magazine article about their football team and in was an article about their legendary player to had come out and announced he was gay in that particular sport. i thought i would love to do that movie. look at what this guy's got on his plate. >> he came out to your premier la last week. >> yes, he did. he went full circle. from him coming out -- he was married for six years. he had to tell his wife, his coach, his teammates, his fan, hometown fans. then he had the whole thing of going to away games, played, you know, the opposing team, they were brutal, what they would say to him in the stands and have you. and the fact that this guy played this particular hard sport, maybe the hardest sport, no pads, anything, at the level that he played it at with all that was on his plate and this secret that he had to keep from his wife -- >