close captioning brought to you by meso book.com our firm, only represents mesothelial hello again and welcome. >> it's time fault today, we're asking donald trump is a convicted felon should the former president get jail top, then joe biden's predicament give any is struggling in the polls, should biden, focus on trump's conviction and heads up the new airplane seating plan that may have you looking over your shoulder a lot the panel is here and ready to go. so sit back, relax, and let's talk about up first, the fallout from donald trump's conviction from the moment jurors found trump guilty on 34 felony counts. the former president as allies have gone on offense, looking to turn his historic legal loss into a political win this is a scam. there's a rig trial. >> donald trump vowing to fight back. >> i'm willing to do whatever i have to do to save our country. his allies and potential running mate's also quick to attack the verdict. >> this is the weaponization of the justice system against their political opponents. >> this was an attack job this is what you see in banana republics. trump's sentencing set for july 11, just four days before the republican convention. >> this is going to be such a tough call for judge merchan. >> the big question whether the former president could get jail time. >> any other defendants who was similarly situated to donald trump, who is not going to show remorse. anyone else in that position would get would get prison. >> the conviction doesn't prevent trump from running four or serving as president. >> there's really no projecting how this is going to impact the race. >> but while a guilty verdict may not change, most voters minds, 7% of trump's supporters in a recent poll so they'd be less likely to vote for them he is convicted even a small change in the entire electric could make a massive change when you have a margin that is this close. >> here with me today, podcast der and author kara swisher, ri salam, president of the manhattan institute and national review, contributing editor new york times journalist and podcast host lulu garcia-navarro, author and conservative pollster. kristen's salt has anderson welcome back everyone. kristen, you've seen these reason polls. i just referred to words six to 7% of trump supporters said they might reconsider their support if he were convicted. >> can a convicted felon be elected president? how much has the developments this way? how much of they heard his chances of winning in november? >> well, we'll know a little bit next week when the first polls come out of the field, i'm a pollster. i loved to rely on that data. but even in the absence of that, i still feel pretty confident that, yes, a convicted felon, if it's donald trump, can still win election to or rather reelection as president, right now, when i look at polls, i see a lot of voters don't like donald trump personally. they don't think he's a good guy, but they still think he's better on the economy. the fact that he is now a convicted felon in court doesn't necessarily change. how would he perform on issues? he was like, who's going to make cost of living better so i can imagine this not necessarily changing the race until sentencing. the question of do i want to vote for somebody who is actually looking at prison time is different than the question of, do i think donald trump is that good or bad person and that's where i'm really waiting to see do the polls. all right. we're gonna get to that in a minute, but lulu we had never had a president who had ever faced criminal charges. now, we have a former president running for reelection, who've been found guilty on 34 charges. how big a roadblock do you think that is to him? the rest of this campaign? >> i disagree with kristen because i actually think it's going to be a substantial roadblock. i think it takes time for this kind of thing to settle in. we're just seeing all the messaging going out. we're seeing republicans coming and repeating the same words over and over again. banana republic fraud. >> and that kangaroo court, kangaroo court, that's another one of their favorite ones and what we're seeing is that that's going to, people are going to listen to that and they're gonna make their own decision. >> but ultimately, i mean, do we want to have a president that is a convicted felon whatever you think of our justice system. i mean, this is a huge deal ryan as we said in the piece, trump will be sentenced on july 11. >> that's just four days before the republican convention. your heard that former prosecutor in new york say anybody in this situation who had been found guilty of violating a gag? what are ten times who john absolutely no remorse would face jail time do you think that trump should get jail time i don't. >> and i also suspect that judge merchan is not going to give them prison sentence. i think it's more likely that there will perhaps be a fine or probation, something along those lines, partly leave because, you know, surely he understands this is someone who has 77-years-old. this is the first time he's been involved with the criminal justice system in this way and also that this whole case relies on a very novel legal theory this is something that is going to go up to an appeal very, very soon and i think that it would be really dicey to impose a prison sentence in this case, qarrah, former president be sentenced to spend some time in jail. >> if you surprised by c, no, it's the office, not him is just the way we sent nixon a way to california is just he cannot be incarcerated. he could make have you have some home cursing, maybe he wears something. i don't know something else, but it shouldn't be incarceration. it's just that this hole, right now in a really dicey period of distrusting all our institutions. and it seems it just will, it will help him, it will help the maga people. it's not good for america, for america as a whole to do that. >> hello, you agree with that i'm conflicted. >> i don't want to be sitting in judge machines shoes. it's a very, very difficult decision. but if the idea is that you are supposed to be equal under the law, then you should be equal under the law. and so if the decision is that that is what he should face, then i think that that i would i would trust his decision i want to talk about another element of this. >> the reaction among right-wing commentators has been stunning here is a fox news anchor we're going to vanquish the evil forces that are destroying this republic and the daily wire's matt walsh posted this donald trump should make and publish a list of ten high ranking democrat criminals who he will have arrested when he takes off his question what do you think is the effect of these republican calls for revenge? well, there's a lot of anger and a lot of animation on the right and the far right, right now. i mean, you look at donald trump's fundraising numbers in the 24 hours after the verdict came out, he raised almost 35 million. now granted a lot of that's going to have to go pay legal fees for this. and the other cases he's involved in. but there is a lot of anger, much the same same that we saw after mar-a-lago was rated much the same as we saw during the republican primary when trump's numbers went up every time he faced more legal peril. >> so this is really, really, really, motivating parts of the right, frankly, even parts of the right that don't like donald trump. >> i mean, susan collins, the senator for maine, not donald i'm trump fan at all. it she even came out and said, i think this is wrong that may be but what that was jesse watters saying that fox news host, i could take jesse watters is the one hand tied behind my back. the violent rhetoric is really troubling from my per second. you can disagree with, you can say this is terrible. this shouldn't have happened, but the idea of violent red, and we're going to rest people. matt walsh is a menace in that regard. this is not the way we shoved guide posted on. yes, exactly. because this is not how we should talk. you can have disagreement without moving into violent rhetoric. and to suggest it is a real mistake early on. >> what about that? i mean, it's fair game to criticize the result the verdict of the jury but it's gone beyond that in some cases where there's talk about going after democrats and let's put joe biden in jail and i understand that some would say that's the natural sort of consequence of what's happened here. but it's troubling, isn't it? >> well, i do think that calling for violence is never a good idea. that is, that is outrageous. it's dangerous. i'll also say that there are a lot of folks who have good reason to believe that no one else would have been prosecuted under this novel legal theory. and also that there are other folks who've been guilty t of campaign finance violations where they've been fined and where there have been no remotely similar consequence. and we think that 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the justice system. >> it's a rigged, it was a rigged trial. does first public remarks and trump's conviction, the american principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed. >> but the biden campaign's main focus has been on the ballot box. >> only the american people on election day can stop him from becoming president again, from six weeks and court had little effect on the poll since the trial began. they've remained largely unchanged, forcing first lady jill biden to weigh in. >> i believe that americans are going to choose good for evil and leaving democrats focused on energizing voters. we cannot have a president shrunk get back into the white house. it will be dangerous for all of us preska in your are pollster. how should biden played trump's conviction? should he harp on convicted felon us some people in his camp were saying, or should he move on and talk about issues that more directly affect people's lives. >> the ladder absolutely. i was very concerned when you suddenly had robert de niro showing up in front front of the courthouse sort of at the behest of the biden team. oh, are they going to start leaning into this more or are they going to start making a bigger deal? because all that will do is play right into donald trump's claims that this is a biden rigged political thing by stepping back, letting the headlines speak for themselves and focusing all of your time on the issues that matter most to voters that would be the smartest strategy for them. plain and simple. you're seeing that actually happen right now. >> i mean, only yesterday biden came out and started talking about the middle east, talking about a peace plan, saying trying to show his stature as a president, which i think is a real counter narrative to what you see trump doing. yeah, the inclination shinese have put up your dukes thing like put up your dukes joe, do you go after them and you do starts when you lie down dogs, you get up with fleas kind of thing. and so he should stick to the economy, how he's helping. >> are you saying that he he should just sort of let the narrative of convicted felon or lead tell itself, surrogates talk about it and i was about to say top is surrogates to talk about it, but he should be talking about things he's doing for the american people, as long as we're giving the precedent advice ry on throughout the trial the rice stayed remarkably even though there was a lot of negative information that was testified to about trump, the re-state really even wood from ahead of biden narrowly, but by a margin in swing states, what does biden due to change the narrative? >> this is really, really tough my consistent line on this has been that biden strategy is to reach out to suburban voters folks to really are motivated by abortion. for example, as their main issue and i think that there is some number of voters, particularly educated, more affluent voters, for whom that kind of democracy, protecting democracy narrative, is something that is compelling for them. so i think that either trying to project himself as the adult in the room is his best bet. i think that in some ways he's been conceding too much to his left flank, particularly when it comes to the middle east. and i think that that is something that's going to need a bit of a correction from him if he's going to actually consolidate that kind of moderate suburban group that's been so crucial for a gretchen written letter, for example, or a josh shapiro. but lulu in the polls voters clearly favorite trump over biden on some of the biggest issues like immigration, like crime, like, if not inflation, the cost of living, how does biden flip the script on those issues? i think he's in a lot of trouble. i think two right hands point. he really needs to show that he is the grownup in the room. but i will also say this. we keep on talking about his message with large, this will come down to a very small group of people who are persuadable and that is why what has happened to donald trump right now. and that the fact that he is now a felon, a convicted felon it's going to matter and people who say that it isn't going to matter. i don't think understand how close this election is going to be and who is going to be contesting it. and so my general feeling on this is that he needs to keep doing more of what he is doing and my biggest concern is that the problem isn't the message, it's the messenger people don't like biden. they think he is either too old, they not energetic enough. there's change that i understand that and that is that is my my bigger concern for the democrats. if i had to say what it was, one of the most interesting trends in this campaign is that vote there's view trump more favorably now than they did when he left office for instance, approval for his handling of the economy has gone up ten points from 2020 to 2024, and 40 42%, right? the trump presidency has mostly good for the country compared to 25% who said that about biden kristen one thing that people have suggested could trump's conviction cause some people to stop the trump amnesia that they'll remember some of the chaos, some of the disorders, some of the things they didn't like about those four years that trump was actually in the white house. >> it could insofar as the the doubts of the trial over the last couple of weeks, your median american voter has not been following it, but the verdict itself has broken through. i would imagine it's the sort of thing that even if you don't care that much about political news, you probably haven't missed this headline. and so if you are the kind of lower information voter, which i don't say as a bad thing or an insult, but just somebody who has the out there living a life who is not. >> are some of trump's biggest supporters exactly. are those sorts of folks who maybe as they begin to remember a little bit more, do they start seeing trump in a different light? it is normal for people to have 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