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MSNBCW The June 24, 2024



>> welcome to the beat. this is it. it's happening this week. what is happening this week? well, we are days away from the first presidential debate of this 2024 campaign. the earliest ever, that's a big deal. we are also days away from the supreme court rulings that could resolve a lot of big issues in the united states including whether or not there will be a federal trial for donald trump this year later, or ever. i can tell you that had a couple more days. debate day on friday his decision day we have a lot coming up tonight. we are living through one of those big weeks. i would've liked a little more time off in the summer. yes, i keep an eye on the news. do we have to do everything? part of the answer is in our coverage the biden campaign things starting it earlier will help them. waking people up to the choice which they think is stark and mobilize people for the debate. this is a campaign that can turn as much as it turns on the so-called undecided voters. debates matter a lot. this year may matter for vocalization, not just people making up their mind. a lot of people have met these two candidates and know what they think about them. as we gear up for this debate over the summer, kickstarting the general election, it could reach tens of millions of people just like last time. >> we handed him a wounded economy. he blew it. >> joe, i ran because of you. iran because of barack obama because you did a poor job. >> one of the most racist presidents we've had in history. >> i'm the least racist person in this room. the president is also opposed to roe v rowade. that's on the ballot as well and in the court. that's also at stake right now. the election -- >> why is it in the ballot? >> it's not on the ballot. >> it's on the ballot in the court. >> there's nothing happening there. >> that's how and went back and forth. you saw donald trump's debate tactics. he said it wasn't technically on the ballot he made it sound like there was a correction. it wasn't a national referendum. but, then candidate biden also had a point that rover evade -- roe v wade wasn't on the ballot. it did go to overturn it. all three justices from trump. we know the backlash from that this is one of the biggest issues right now. the biden campaign pushing the debate. the on-ramp going into the debate, he has the biden campaign trying to push this issue of choice and women's health. >> i was 11 weeks when i had a miscarriage. the pain i was feeling was excruciating. i was turned away from to emergency rooms. that was a direct result of donald trump overturning roe v wade. >> there is a larger strategy here. indeed on msnbc we try to hear from everybody. we welcome everybody back for general action. the big booking today was on the democratic side. vice president harris speaking on the same issue, pushing women's health message and discussing it with her colleague. >> fundamentally on this issue, it's about freedom. every person of whatever gender, should understand that if such a fundamental freedom such as the right to make decisions about your own body can be taken, be aware of what other freedoms may be at stake. >> you can hear the vice president making the point abortion is first and foremost an issue of women's rights and health but it also affects everyone. the second point that the supreme court with these trump judges and this trump agenda, the vice president argues this will affect your freedom and liberties and keep going down this path. there's all kinds of issues going on in the campaign. you would expect thursday's debate to raise many of them. you have moderators turning things that. the audience and the general country inside that debate hall. the entire country is going to be watching this. we already have different indications of what people are thinking. particular the ones they rely on in dc there's other things humans are thinking. not the representative of everyone but we have more folks speaking in their own voice in any other time in history. people uploading videos, not to make a point on the media but sharing their different views and talking in different interview settings. keeping an eye on what folks think this election could be about, including online. >> who are you supporting? >> that's a difficult question. we have to equals. >> i don't know who to vote for. either way it's going to be bad. >> they are both just as bad, i think. >> do not vote for trump, do not vote for biden. it doesn't matter. >> i'm for biden. >> i don't know. both are horrible choices. >> it's important. we can't just vote anybody into office. it doesn't matter. >> reporter: several democratic candidates in swing states are outperforming joe biden in those key states. this is making waves because you actually have a kind of comparison within a given state about what people are willing to do. if you have voters that say they want their democrat in the senate to go back, they want the senate to be controlled by democrats, you have the feeling on major issues they are leaning democratic. some of those voters are not yet saying they back them. that's an interesting gap. whether it's half-full, or half- empty. i will show you this new data. michigan back the democratic senate candidate. for more points than they are currently back biden with. a four point gap with the democratic senator. if they can win michigan and wisconsin, it would be trump. he's got some work to do. the wisconsin democratic center candidate is up eight points over biden. that is the gap. joe biden could make up that number. the democrats say that is good territory for him to win over. right now, he's eight behind the democrats. the democratic senate candidate there is 10 points above joe biden. that's 10 points of people saying yes to a democratic senator. they are not yet sure about joe biden. i mentioned there are ways to read this data. to watch the show i told you be careful with your national polls. and see what people say. this is an interesting way to look at this state-level. they take what they support today in a optimistic view. they're currently on swing states. republicans argue their candidates are still relatively unknown. republicans have their own concerns meanwhile about how trump is fair. what could either be ground to make up for fighting, what could be a warning signal for biden. 900 than the bush white house official says, there's many indications now that the conviction of donald trump in new york is weighing on his candidacy. >> reporter: there's a trend since the guilty verdict in the new york case. the movement is among independence and they have moved in recent polls roughly 9 points towards biden. 21% of independents in a survey shortly after the conviction said they were less likely to vote for donald trump as a result of the conviction. >> a couple points there, to be fair. a staunch republican who knows how to read the polls is also someone who is crossed and clashed with donald trump over and over. it's not exactly like a trump person secretly. it's a republican who has that difference. on the other hand, he spent his whole life trying to win elections for republicans because he's outside of that bubble, he may be able to stay in public or whatever what so many other republicans can't, even though donald trump notoriously rules his party and has no ability to process information. saying something out loud that others can only say in secret. take it altogether. we have a big week with big supreme court rulings coming with a federal trial for trump and a debate that will jumpstart the general election. to experts on this, back to back -- back together in 90 seconds. seconds. so, if you shave it? 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i also have to get your holster take on that gap. i don't know -- you to tell us what you're drinking. whether it's half-full, coconut water, hennessy. are you a glass half-full democrats thing that's great ground for biden to make up. why are so many candidates out pulling the president? >> my martini glass is half- full. i think when you look -- we pay far too much attention to polling. it's not a predictor the good news is most of those democratics senators guess where they are? they are exactly where joe biden is on 99.9% of the issues that are important to americans. that's what campaigns are about. you want to in fact drive home your issues and connect to voters and their issue agenda. the democrats on the senate side at least statewide are connecting with voters. at some point if you are in the biden campaign it's a smaller gap to reach because in the end where are these voters with those important issues? that's where joe biden is. to that point, i've got to go back to your statement earlier where you were going to talk about all the voices on the internet and the voices saying it doesn't matter, don't vote for either one, it doesn't matter. >> it's almost outrageous to think of how big some of these issues are and listening to reproductive rights and a woman having the ability to choose what happens to her own body. the ability being taken away because of the results of an election. you have one of the candidates telling his billionaire wall street donors give me the money, i will take care of the tax cuts and do your complete bidding. elections don't matter. it's the most ignorant thing ever and people honor that ignorance. at some point we have to stop letting stupidity slide. am at the point where not letting stupidity slide. if you are so stupid to think there's no difference between these candidates, i'm not letting it slide. there's huge issues. one candidate is finding for environmental rights and the other will rip away these regulations that we've been fighting for all these years. >> i think that's fair. we've seen it in different cycles. some of it may be fatigue, some of it may be a gap between younger voters to see both of these candidates. i think it's fair to say there are vast differences between these two candidates who follow the issues. if you are a big critic of traditional capitalism and you want capitol change -- radical change. you want a different solution in the mideast, you might go to the left. both of these candidates it doesn't mean there's no difference from you, to one, to the other and congress. on the choice issue what andy cohen, that might not be who everyone is waiting for, he's part of the democratic push as they try to wake people up and read different types of voters. he's trying to make a big deal out of the left. >> if trump wins, he can ensure manga extremists for decades to come. trump already appointed three justices. look what they did. they overturned row, which she dragged -- brags about every chance he gets. >> republicans have led them for a long time on that court issue. they try to harness that same energy. social media influencers, all of the effort with ads in the states to say molly that especially young people should see the supreme court as their cycle. what do you think of their effort? effort? >> i think the political campaigns, the smart thing to do is focus on the consequences. focus on the issues. focus on the policies where as you say, there are big differences between the candidates and it does matter who is elected president. so i think issues like the supreme court tend to be more of interest for people who are deeply engaged in these issues. it's also not necessarily true that the next president will get you to appoint a lot of justices, because he's cleared the bench in that sense. no pun intended. by appointing three justices. we don't see any retirements coming anytime soon, particularly that could lead to a switch with a 6-3 majority on the court. it's going to be a very long time before progressives can rein in any kind of majority. it will be pretty unlikely even for a second term, to restore liberal dominance on the court. all of that being said, this is something i hear from progressives and democratic sources that they feel as you say, conservatives for a long time were able to use the issue for the nominations to motivate their base voters and that the energy is now on the other side. i think the energy again is much more about the choice issue then the court itself but certainly we do see a lot more progressives getting excited about it. >> understood. if you are right about what you said, roadblocks with a progressive breakthrough you are going to have him drinking his share of martinis. you are speaking facts. are you going to be okay, cornell? 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