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reason, but then you just get back in the game. it's amazing, amazing we're rooting for her to the lead with jake tapper starts right now a week of historical significance. the lead starts right now the huge decision earlier today from the u.s. supreme court ruling, that former president donald trump has limited immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts. he took his precedent and cooling possibly so i'm related to the effort to overturn the election what this ruling means for pending cases against the former president plus how trump's team intends to use today's opinion to challenge the verdict in the new york hush money cover-up case where trump is set to be sentenced next week. all of this at the same time that official democrats in dc and across the country are panicking stressing freaking out over whether they can continue with president biden at the top of their ticket given his shall we say, troubling behavior during last week's debate? >> there are very honest and serious and rigorous conversations taking place at every level of our party on his conversations with journalists and democrats about biden's abilities coming up on the lead and moment of extreme as steve bannon we're trump chief strategist reports to prison my voice is going to be heard every day and more importantly their voices are going welcome to the lean. >> i'm jake tapper and yes, we're going to start with are 2024 lead are we find two colossal events that could keep donald trump's road back to the white house today on the very last day of its term, the u.s. supreme court ruled that former president trump does have immunity for some official actions during his presidency, possibly including attempts to overturn the 2020 election. but the justices did not specify exactly which actions that includes which sets up another lower court battle in the january 6 case and making it incredibly unlikely that trump will actually face that trial before the november election on the other side of the ballot in just hours, president biden will return to washington, dc. undoubtedly a weaker candidate than he was at this point last week. president biden huddled at camp david over the weekend with his family, which sources say encouraged him to stay in the race his family reportedly blaming biden's stunningly flawed debate performance on his top aides and advisors. today, biden divisors tells cnn's jeff zeleny that the president is considering sitting down for a high-profile interview in the coming days in an attempt to reassure voters about his fitness for office. biden campaign chair jen o'malley, dillon, holding and your car with call with party leaders earlier today telling them this too shall pass there is a pattern discernible pattern of democratic officials seemingly trying to convince you the public to not believe what you saw and what you heard with your eyes and with your ears on thursday night the covid excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with what if we finally beat medicare the total initiative relative to what we didn't do with more border patrol and more asylum officers president trump, i really don't know what he said at the end of this sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either democratic officials have tried to spin this in many ways. they said president biden just had a cold. they said it was just one off night, akin to when president obama in 2012 was rusty and seemed a little huffy but behind the scenes, make no mistake. most democratic officials witnessed the same shocking spectacle that you did the difficulty that the presumptive democratic nominee, the current president of the united states, had just articulating his basic thoughts during the 90 minutes of the debate the spinning is all very reminiscent of the george orwell quote from the book 1984 that i invoked five years ago for a different situation in a different president. it's relevant again today, quote. the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. it was their final most essential command we're not going to do that today on the lead, we're going to talk honestly and frankly lee about all of this with a number of individuals who see it for what it is. we're going to talk to some journalists and some democrats, none of whom wish president biden ill, all of whom apparently are more willing to speak freely honestly and candidly about the candidate than the people running the biden campaign, the people close to president biden. and frankly, most democratic officials it's across the country. let's bring a democratic strategist, james carville, the former lead strategies for bill clinton's 1992 campaign james can president biden win reelection this november it does not the real question here, real question here is a supreme court that's bought and paid for by rvs and efficient life. >> we have a country that 72% want something different if the democratic party can't produce something different at 72% people want why do we exist? what are we here for to country is clamoring for change in what are we going to offer them the same stuff. it doesn't make any sense, jake gift people what they want, box populi. they want something different. let's give it to them i mean, i just don't get the whole thing. i'll be honest with you. i'm from boxing hours, everybody saw what they saw thursday night i don't take any pleasure in this was a year ago. i'm going to be at an october. you can't fight this stuff. it's just there so what happens? >> what do you think the democrats should do? >> something different all right in i don't know. >> it'd be messy it it'll be it'll be a massive you know, that that's where change is. but if the democratic party is so committed to the status quo, and so committed to sticking with something that three quarters of the country doesn't want then we have to say, why do weeds? yes what are we here for and in my and we are here to change civil rights. we will here to bring change in medicare and do great things and family and medical leave and expanded health care. and great things that are part of my party while i love it. but if we can't bring something that people want i have to doubt our rationale for being here. are i really do biden huddled with his family over the weekend at camp david and were told that his family thinks he should stay in the race. what's your response? >> i've been 50 year and people say, james, i my family loves me and people like you and you all just looking for the next scalp, next nosh on your bare to make the next maybe we do in, maybe they love you, but their judgment is clouded by log i mean, i really like christmas. biden man the country want something new when i'm having why, are we fighting inevitable desire on? second deliberate, i mean, trump is going to be sentenced on july 11. supreme court is like commodity. we don't even want to discuss this, but give to people of shot that i'm look at. who's in the party and i believe there's staggering calendar democratic party get out the way and let 1,000 flowers bloom. >> but do you think they should have democrats? do you think democrats should have an open convention? do you think that they should announce? we're having primaries the next four weeks and then we'll take how would you even go about doing this you're now i go about it by fan let everybody decide. >> i have four forums around the country. i don't know, have people address the conviction? but just sit there and do something. people want something different. i mean, you go back and you look at american history and, you know, after pearl harbor, nimitz was the head of the bureau navigation, you know what he did, he wouldn't and he took action martin luther king was comfortable preach at a church in montgomery. he didn't just fit get something in that's our history and people say, well, a process and just in that i don't know but do something to open this process. and all the people are asked i can far is something different and why not give it to them? why did we fight with them in an organ, whether he had a bad night or colder are the stamp over worked him? are all of the ada nonsense that we hearing president biden a great guy, and i'm a great guy too. i don't have any business running campaigns anymore. >> president clinton and president clinton and president obama have both given a statements in support of president biden. >> is that how they really feel? do you think? >> de have i think a reverential view of y, where x pressure should do, and i don't think it's their job to do that. i think it's their job to salute the flag, to salute nominee. i don't expect them to get involved in niche. what i expect is people are elected in office that have influenced and have power to say we're sitting here in letting this country deteriorate right in front of our very eyes. in the only hope for this, for the united states of america is the democratic party. that's it i hate to break the news, everybody but the whole country is looking to us and all they're asking for is something different. let's give it to him. who do you think would be stronger? which democrats which democrat that you think would be strongest? we've heard so many names. governor newsom of california, governor whitmer, governor shapiro, and pennsylvania obviously senator warnock pete buttigieg, vice president harris, who do you think has the best chance of beating trump let, let democrat are side all of these people are marvelously talented people that you and i know about but 99% of the country doesn't know about. >> and you know what people will do. they will pay attention, they will listen to what senator warnock has to say yeah, governor newsom, but vice president harris all or anybody else? i don't want to give names because but let them all go out and make their case. and i think to country is concerned enough engaged enough it's 72% are, i know that that number i'll stick with the hole, this whole interview and let them decide this is our democracy, just how country's future just don't fit their do something man, belbek james carville. thank you for your candor. always good to have you on. appreciate it coming up. what michigan. michigan? i'm going to gretchen whitmer says about her name being floated as a possible replacement for biden plus her colorful choice of words today for people who don't believe her. the other big story of the day, the u.s. supreme court ruling that donald trump is entitled to immunity for official acts as strong leinz from justices who dissented in today's decision will tell you about that. plus the larger impact on cases that trump's still faces were back in a moment five, good things. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts if you were moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks you still laura from the start? and move toward relief after the first dose with injections every two 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not, which means that trump's january 6 case it is unlikely to happen before november's election if at all. cnn's paula reid has more on how we got to today's ruling presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job the supreme court partially siding with former president donald trump in his ongoing january 6 case ruling that former presidents are entitled to some immunity from prosecution for official actions, but not for private conduct. >> in the 6-3 opinion, chief justice john roberts writing for the majority, at least with respect to the president's exercise of his core constitutional powers. this immunity must be absolute. the president enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts and not everything the president does is official. the president it is not above the law. the high court though, leaving it up to lower courts to determine which actions are official and therefore immune. roberts writing other allegations such as those involving trump's interactions with the vice president, state officials, and certain private parties and his comments to the general public present more difficult questions, meaning district court judge tanya chutkan, who is overseeing trump's january 6 case, will need to decide whether trump's pressure campaign to get vice president pence, the mike pence does the right thing. we win the election. >> georgia state officials, i just want to find 11,780 wow, it's which is one more than we have because we won the state and others to overturn the 2020 election results were official acts. >> trump's celebrating the decision on social media, posting, big win for our constitution and democracy. justice sonia sotomayor dissenting from i'm the majority opinion, writing the relationship between the president and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably in every use of official power. the president is now a king above the law, something she and other liberal justices warned about during oral arguments in april, i'm trying to understand what the disk incentive is from turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country. >> the decision today likely to hamstrings special counsel jack smith's election subversion case, charging donald j. trump with conspiring to defraud the united states conspiring to disenfranchise voters. and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding roberts making clear in his majority opinion that trump's discussions with justice department officials and his official conversations with the then vice president are immune. >> and in another blow for smith, robert says, trump's official acts cannot be considered even as evidence at trial. a trial in this case so now highly unlikely before the november election but of course the former president has many other legal cases he is facing. and the next event on his legal calendar is next week, a sentencing in the new york criminal case. now sources tell me we can expect trump's legal team who use today's supreme court opinion to attack that can fiction. specifically, they're going to use this opinion to try to get thrown out portions of hope hicks is testimony as well as some tweets that are introduced as evidence. now it's unclear if this opinion will be enough to upend that case, but clearly, jake, today's supreme court opinion giving trump's lawyers a lot to work with over the next few months alright. paula reid outside the court. thank you so much. let's bring in my legal panel, tim parlatore, let me start with you. what was your reaction to today's supreme court ruling it's very similar to what i expected. i wasn't necessarily expect them to cut it into the three pieces as they did of the absolute immunity presumptively immune, and then not immune but i think it does make sense to me based on how it is developed that they were going to find some form of immunity and then define contours and then kick it back down to the district court. actually have a hearing and figure out how does this rule apply to this case, victoria, what did you think? well, i was saddened because they didn't start out the same way they did in the clinton case. so the nixon tapes case with a very powerful statement that no one is above the law. they left that till the end. and the court created a lot of doctrine that is entirely new that's, not judicially restrained in my view, and that the district court's going to have to deal with as to the division between and your, your listeners are going to know about official versus unofficial acts. what is private, what isn't no one thought that he if someone doesn't official statement or if obama sends dropped grounds that he can be criminally prosecuted for that but what about seal team six? right. what about that hypothetical by judge pan in the dc circuit. so he ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival. is that official or is it that private? >> yeah tim, how quickly do you think there could be an evidentiary hearing on this matter about what is official, what is not official, what can trump be prosecuted for? what can he not? how quickly could they call vice president pence or mark meadows or anyone to the stand to get out. this information? ten grand jury testimony and evidence. >> i think they could do it pretty quickly and that's the kind of the interesting thing about this decision debate. setting aside the legal precedent of how this is going to affect future administrations as applied this donald trump both sides are going to get what they want because they can have a pretrial hearing right now and she could do very quickly. they already have all the discovery they just need to get a conference together with the judge and figure out a schedule because it's going to be before the judge instead of a jury, you can do it on non nonconsecutive days, so you could do it three days here, two days there? and also because it's a pretrial hearing, rules of evidence don't apply, so they can bring in agents to kinda summarize the evidence. they can bring him mike pence, they can bring in mark meadows, they can bring it. all of these people. so everything that people are saying, well, we want the american people to know this before the election. that can all be brought out in the pretrial hearing. so everybody who wants it out, they can get what they want and people that don't want there to be a trial before the election, they get what they want. what do you think of that? >> i think it's fascinating and i think we are going to see judge chutkan be asked by jack smith to move very quickly. judges can move quickly the nixon supreme court decided in two weeks i think that if she will, they have the will to do that. they can bring in a lot of the evidence other than official acts and it will because this was an attempt to steal an election through fraudulent electors in those cases are still pending in the state courts. that is all private as justice barrett said in the argument. so they could bring in all of that evidence and so in that case, in that sense, the case is still alive and interestingly enough, whether it was intended or not by the chief, there will be a very big hearing, i assume tim part of justice sotomayor's scathing dissent. today says, quote, and every use of official power. the president is now a king above the law orders, the navy seal team six to assassinate a political rival, immune organizes them a little military coup to hold onto power. immune takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon immune, immune, immune, immune. is that accurate? >> i don't think so. i mean, i think that that may be a little bit more political rhetoric there, there is what they've done in laying out the things that are absolutely immune versus presumptively immune. i think that a lot of those things will fall onto the presumptive where they prosecutors can present evidence that it was not for the proper purpose. and also, i don't think that there's anything in this decision that would impact the ability to impeach the president? yeah. and so the impeachment wouldn't be affected here at all. and so then they're kind of the inverse of what trump's attorneys argue with the impeachment judgment rule. if they impeach him for having a sale team assassinated opponent. does that remove the immunity entirely in victoria, justice? amy coney barrett sided with the majority and the ultimate decision, which was 6-3, but she did take issue with how the court ruled that evidence from trump's officials acts should be excluded from trial. she didn't like how they intervened and said what what was evidenced in what was not biden's, could could could this have an effect on what happens back forward? it could have an effect on what's going on below, because there are a lot of ambiguities in this opinion. >> what's amazing is how difficult it's going to be to parse this. and the other opinions that have been coming down in the last week they're all creating a fair amount of uncertainty in the areas of law. so you're going to see arguments in the evidentiary hearing about whether certain things can come into evidence are not using her theory. there's a whole set of questions behind this, and i want to get too technical that will also be raised if the nature of the statute she raised this there's an argument that if you don't say president in the statute, that in fact you cannot actually indict under that. so there's all sorts of things that are going to come up in this new hearing and we'll see how it goes. i think chutkan probably is going to have a very different view of some of these things more along the lines of the dissenters so we'll see what happens. >> all right. thanks to both you for being here really appreciate it. i want to bring in to guests watching the 2024 race closely between today's supreme court decision and all the talk about biden's debate performance. where do they see the race now? plus, what could biden do 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theoretically means is january 6. cases unlikely to happen before november's election. cnn's jeff zeleny and jamie gain, gail join me now, jamie kasie hunt, our colleague can put it bluntly earlier if donald trump wins in november, he wanted, over the course of the last five days, she said the decision today and the debate performance by biden last thursday. view agree? >> yeah. no question. this has been a great week for donald trump. and a disaster for joe biden. the debate was a disaster. no question about it. you cannot unsee it. and this immunity decision today, i've spoken to senior democrats who say this makes trump even more dangerous if he becomes precedent. that said, we have for months to go. i know the president biden has circled the wagons and is saying that he does not want to step aside, but there is also a move among senior democrats to try to convince him otherwise, you heard james qarrah role earlier in the show saying 72% of the american people, according to polls say joe biden, should not be in the white house should not be running for president. why not give them what they want? and yet apparently people in the biden campaign and the biden white house don't see it that way at all. look, i mean, this is a presidential decision only he and his wife, jill biden, can make the decision right now. people are giving them space. some people are giving them space. it was interesting on friday when former president barack obama, initially was not going to say anything by midday, he came out with a supportive statement. so that's what they are trying to do. people who are trying to be supportive of him personally. but there are deep questions politically, but i'm told that right now. are there are plans underway to have president biden appear in a live interview, a high-profile we'll interview to show that he here on the leaf, i can do unclear about that. we would love to we would love to have you guys president biden, if you want to come sit down here, will ask you lots of questions. questions, maybe some of the ones i asked you last thursday. but look, the question is is he his aides point to that north carolina rally on friday, but can he do that teleprompter teleprompter. i'm told it's the families inclination is to ride this out. that's by a senior adviser. however, there are many democratic donors, many elected officials who are worried about his drag on the democratic ticket. one already was a drag, so well they are doing some research to see how this is going in battleground states also look at this. if virginia and minnesota become true battlegrounds because of this information will be taken to him and to see if that sort of offers a change of mind or not. but as of now, he is in this race largely because if not him than who it opens up a whole pandora's box but some people are willing to take that risk. that's a pretty messianic view of the president as if not, i mean, there's lots of people that could run. i mean, i know it's short, but i hear a lot of democratic officials saying they are not confident that whatever lack of confidence they may have had in a witmer newsom, whatever for or even vice president harris that pales in comparison to their fears right now about precedent biden, they say the last 48 hours, i've talked to very senior democratic sources, allies have joe biden, major donors they do not believe he can win against donald trump anymore because of the debate. and they are willing to take a risk on who's behind door number two. so this is a different situation than we've had like for instance, during the bill clinton administration when there was impeachment al gore was a popular vice president president biden for all his flaws is more popular than his vice president, even among african-american voters. he's more popular than his vice president would vice president harris have enough support within the party and the public? to go forward if if he were to step down, that's the central question. one thing she would have those the campaign apparatus and the money. she is part of this ticket. this is not joe biden's. this is joe biden's and kamala harris says, so she would have a big head start should he decide to say, which again, we have no indication of that, but should he say, look, i'm going to step aside. side. she would start with this infrastructure and that is one big hurdle for some of the other candidates. so the dnc would get the money that it has raised a separately but the vast majority is the biden harris campaign. but as for her support, it is a risk. there's no doubt about it, but is it a bigger risk than sticking with biden? i. don't know. she's very popular among african-american women who were the life blood of the democratic party. she'll be appearing at events this weekend and next week we're african-american women are at the center of this reproductive rights is her key issue here. that's a central issue for democrats in the campaign. so sure it's a risk her popularity. i think there has not been quite tested because she's been the vice president. she's not been tested as a presidential candidate. >> thanks to both you appreciate it one blunt headline in the new york times this weekend, read quote, this isn't all joe biden's fault. >> the journalists behind that headline has been getting giving a reality check on the 2024 race for months, and he will join us next and unprecedented debate as only cnn could do it with a record audience around the world. our country is being destroyed, where the most of hired country in the world, for the most complete coverage through election day and beyond follows cnn it, cool leg warmers. >> thanks. there just for the best right to work. they're not part of the official uniform. know tunes today? no. my apartment was robbed last night took my cable ready tv, vcr, portable cassette player. yep. all the latest tech, if only progressive and renters insurance like their home insurance, and we 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probably aluminium strip ben. hello. my smile is back on point easy i'm kayla tausche at the white house and this is cnn continuing with our 2024 lead a flood of calls pouring in for replacement nominee after president biden's meandering debate performance last week my next guest has been sounding the alarm about whether or not president biden should be the nominee long before he took the debate stage in atlanta last week, columnist for the new york times as refined joins us is also host of a very popular and excellent podcast called the ezra klein show that we recommend here at the lead as thanks for joining us today. the first lady's defending her husband, the president in an interview with vogue magazine saying, quote, we will will not let those 90 minutes define the four years he's been president. we will continue to fight unquote, but you've been making this argument long before those 90 minutes back in february, you wrote a call about it that democrats have better options. tell us why you think president biden should step aside? >> this is a fallacy that it's about 90 minutes. >> we've seen that joe biden many times before look, i'm not a joe biden hater. i like joe biden. i do think he's been a good president, though, this tendency to personalize everything that has happened in his presidency, as if you wrote the inflation reduction act by hand with a fountain pen is a little bit ridiculous. but biden it has been performing poorly in front of cameras for some time now, there was a big course around this when he gave the press conference after the special counsel report, but right around that same time, people now forget it a bit. but if something that was on my mind, but i did that piece in february. this gift, the super bowl interview. why did they do that? he's been getting fewer interviews and any other president in recent history, he's been getting your press conferences and any other recent president in history, there has been a clear way in which they have not trusted him to be out there in improvise settings off of the teleprompter responding to be given take when things could turn antagonistic. then in the single biggest showing that we've seen the debate, he fell apart there's an issue here whether or not he is capable of performing the job of the presidency, right performing get in front of cameras on the campaign. and also a question you have actual capacity. i mean, the idea, this is all completely separate from the job of the presidency, from what he might be like evoking up in the middle of the night in an emergency. it doesn't make sense. and the fatalism the democratic party has fallen into where they're giving the american people, let me keep saying democracies on the ballot. a choice for the american people say, well, we think this person is too old to serve as president i do believe democracy is on the ballot and this is not important. and you gotta find the right person or not. but this is not, it's been a very high risk gamble to run him again from the beginning. and now we're seeing now that risk is playing out. yeah, and there was something leak too. i think axios over the weekend about oh, he's he's great between 10:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. as if al-qaeda and putin keep wilmington banker's hours. it's a strange thing to say. i want to play something from your podcast in february, let's roll that clip account point. you even now to a moment where biden faltered in the presidency because his age had slowed him. but here's the thing. i can point you to moments where he's faltering in his campaign for the presidency because it's age is slowing him and you just talked about this a second ago, but like there are questions now about how capable the president is in doing the job of presidency. >> forget whether or not he can win in november and forget the campaign and how good an order he is when he has a teleprompter in front of them that was a very troubling 90 minutes this is a very hard thing to parse because like a lot of reporters who is not an orthopedic, joe biden, i kinda have to go on what people in the white house were protective of him, telling me. >> but it's also then difficult to see. well, what is him and what is not ham, right? i mean, the precedent commands a vast architecture. x so policy people up, chiefs of staff, of deputy chiefs of staff, i know these people. they are fantastic. they're smart, they're hard-working. it's going to say it's very hard for me to point to something that we're he has gone wrong. i don't have full visibility. i'm told by people, the white house, he's good and meetings, although i've also heard some to the contrary, when i ask people who served there have they seen this joe biden, the debate. joe biden before they told me, of course they have frankly we've seen that guy in public. so when i say i can point to a huge misstep in the presidency. what i mean is that i think this presidency has by and large gone well. i mean, i have my disagreements with it on policy terms. i live with anybody, but i think they've made good decisions, but the president since he is a vague the thing is the president isn't a de, that's a person, right? it's one person on a ballot line and i don't think it is at this point that while plausible for them to say two people, there was no connection between the joe biden may often see in public what he's not on teleprompter. and the joe biden, the presidency. look, it's not just debate when he gave he's getting very few interviews when he gave the interview to erin burnett. i'll cnn a couple of months ago, i watched that and it wasn't terrible by any means, wasn't as bad as the debate, but it wasn't strong either. it wasn't clear. he didn't have a strong message on the economy at some point. i mean, this is a very hard job, is nothing against joe biden to say that it may not be time for and to keep doing that. and then at any rate, their way of testing that out was the debate that was there. that was their argument being made. them negotiate out a june debate. they did it because they wanted it to change dynamics of the race where he was already losing already behind. i need to do something to shake it up. they have their big shot here, right? and he was not able to come through on it so somebody got to keep this thing. it's 90 minutes. everybody knows it's not true. >> yeah so you're i don't want to insult you by going you a walk, but you're you're you're brainy guy. how do you envision? i don't take this. okay. good. well, i meant the word walk, but what anyway, how do you envision? let, let's say that the president biden came to you and said, i'm going to announce it. i'm not running for reelection. what do you recommend is the best way we pick a new nominee and pick a new vice presidential nominee. have an, have a successful convention and go on. and when in november, what would you tell him? >> it's unlikely is going to come to me for advice. i doubt it, but look, i've done i think that's less likely you probably may lead you to you. yes. go yeah. right the the real argument i made back in february, which i thought was useful was not that he should step aside. other people have said something like that. the argument i was making and it made a lot of detail. is it a convention process? there's not a crazy or unknown thing for the democratic party to go through that until the early 70s that was held almost every presidential nominee from roughly the 1860s on was chosen. it's how a pemulwuy give his chosen, how fdr was chosen, how jfk was chosen, right? convention processes or thing we have done for a very long time in american history. frankly, a lot less unprecedented and running and 81-year-old who is behind in the polls and just got demolished in the debate for reelection i did along pockets, kmart, who's an expert on convention rules on this. people go look at, look it up, loss, republish it on tuesday. but the basic thing is they would have to be a different kind of campaign if he said so i did step aside tomorrow. what would have to happen as it there'd be a lot of town halls in the media with different democratic candidates would be a lot of meetings at the convention. and the convention delegates would have to decide who they thought was best suited to run in november. you have to trust the party, which is how this used to work. it is not a huge leap into the unknown fantastic stuff as reclined. thank you so much. appreciate it. thanks for coming on and be sure to win that podcast drops will push it out to our viewers. can come check it out as well. thanks again, coming up next, what reporting to prison looks like for at least one maga podcast or today it was steve bannon what was his message to donald trump as he turned himself in in danbury, connecticut, say what want to thank july 4 a cnn concert which comes to cosplay or words it show-stopping performances by either shadi at wrexham. the killers tb chris yum are 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i'll send off ahead of his four months sentence, be bands voice will not be silenced while he's in there. the onetime white house chief strategist was convicted in 2022 of two counts of contempt of congress after defying a subpoena from the house committee that investigated the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol. he said, all hell would break loose on january 6, and he it is right. ask the over 140 capital police officers who fought for hours and were injured ban and tried and failed to postpone his sentence while he appeals his conviction now, he's the second former trump aide to head to prison for contempt of congress after peter navarro began serving his four-month sentence earlier this year. now bannon is banking on trump to get reelected in november. the prompt is very simple. >> fight on and promising revenge. i don't give too about going in danbury prison. okay. well, here's what i give about we're going to take down merrick garland and lisa monaco and the crop doj and the fbi and all of it in custody. bannon was expected to endure the same treatment as any other prisoner, passing through a metal detector, undergo boeing is strip search and reporting to his housing unit. >> we will be here in four months to collect him in good health, maybe a little thinner. >> but bannon's universe is shrinking. he won't have access to internet and he'll have a limited number of phone minutes each month to use in 15 minute increments on a wall mounted phone on colleague prepare mentally, visibly, everything for prisoners preparing to turn himself in, ban and projected an era of defiance insisting his show would go on even though he will be barred from running the business from prison. >> it's they can't stop this. this is our power our in trying now bannon may have rolled in with his most faithful supporters, former new york city police commissioner are burning the carrick. >> erik prince, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. but of course, there are plenty of people here 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