again and welcome. it's time to break down the big stories with some smart people. today, we're asking just days before then put it away. the cell phone ban affecting half 1 million kids with sunset goes too far and brick by brick, police stopping a surprising theft, bring that's all about a hot trout the pavlo is here and ready to go. so sit back, relax, and let's talk about up first with five days to go before cnn's presidential debate. joe biden is spending this weekend prepping a camp. david, while donald trump is campaigning. the showdown taking place three months earlier than any previous presidential debate. could be a pivotal moment in this tight race. if you want some idea of what to expect, checkout the last time they shared a debate stage it started with a friendly greeting. >> would you who work late devolving into personal insult? it is nothing smart about yuja and constant in iraq options that'd be honest. >> it's a very important, it out. >> i know the answer to that question is no, you ukraine. >> no, sir. and since 2000, the acrimony between biden and trump has only deepened he's running again and is clearly on-hand beyond normal policy differences, they're likely to battle lebur trump's refusal to admit he lost the election was rigged and stolen. the january 6 attack on the capitol and trump and hunter biden felony convictions. the american people don't want to hear that. they want to hear the about the issues, but both men may want to remember they're better moments from 2020s, like when trump counter pond biden's statement on energy have a transition from their own history? yes. he is going to destroy the url industry. will you remember that texas were when biden they ignored trump's hectoring and spoke directly to voters. >> this is not about me, it's about your family. you, the american people well, it's about you here with me today podcast or an author, kara swisher, conservative pollster in new york times opinion writer kristen's sold his anderson nia malika henderson, politics and policy columnist at bloomberg the eliana johnson, editor in chief for the washington free bacon welcome back everyone. christian, let's start with trump. >> what are his do's and don'ts for this debate next thursday, both in terms of style and substance, what he needs to do is have a very strong message about the economy and return to that topic time and time and and time again, it is the issue on which he pulls the strongest is one of the top issues for singh voters. >> he also needs to talk about where he thinks he'd be strong, things like immigration crime, those are also issues were voters tend to trust him more than biden don't don't take the bait and get to pulled into the weeds on how you're going to have revenge and how you're going to use your next administration for this two-tiered justice system. and also don't forget to prepare on the abortion issue a couple of weeks ago, you may recall that he had no answer when asked, what is your policy on contraception? i said, oh, we'll get back to you. that is not going to fly in a debate what does he do with questions about election denial, about whether or not he lost the 2020 election and whether joe biden is the legitimate president. now, in a perfect world, i would say, say you accept the election results and move on. i know we don't live in that world, but i do think that he needs to remember that he is not at a rally. he is not speaking to his faithful. he is speaking to a much broader group for voters, the types of folks who are not as tuned in, who are checking in on this, if only for the entertainment value, they are not going to be interested in hearing trump tried to relitigate the election from four years. >> what does trump need to do in this debate? and what does he need to avoid? >> listen, i think he needs to avoid rambling and going on and on and the sort of ten gingival speech that we have seen from him in all of the speech. >> and fairness, there are gonna be sharp time limits, so he may be able to go on, but now that seems to be his his preferred speaking style sort of disjointed all over the place. so i think he has to avoid that i also think he has to avoid going into the weeds about the prior election and all this sort of grievance stuff that does well with the base. it doesn't do well with the broad audience that he's going to see. he's got to accept this is going to be probably the most watched debate we've seen in many, many years. and he's got to know that he's got to expand his audience beyond just a true mega folks good luck. he has been talking nonstop to his base about that. he won the 2020 election. how does he handle that? i take christians point. he doesn't want to relitigate it, but he can't run away from it either. yeah. >> i don't mention it if he can avoid bringing it up hey you. should, he should move on. he should, he should try to accept a pain to the extent that he can say president biden is the president. i want to replace him in november. vote for me, move on. the grievance around. this. it's just not a good idea for me. there is zero chance that he i think that's right. >> i was gonna say i agree with nea and kristen's points on substance, but i think the bar is actually a little bit lower for trump in that he needs to go out there and simply make himself an acceptable alternative to a president whose approval ratings are underwater, his land mines are at the stolen election and questions about january 6, about which he will well, almost certainly be asked. and he should have a go-to line that says, i've talked extensively about my issues with the election. i don't have anything more to say about that here. and pivot to the economy and immigration, he can use chris, you did it back in 2020. he can use those two minutes anyway. he likes know, that's true. let's switch due to biden camera. what are his do's and don'ts for thursday, don't look old. >> don't look old you know, just like trump can't seem nuts. he can't seem creaky and i think the dark brandon do a little dark brandon do as well as he did at the state of the union, that kind of energy. >> when you should dark, brenda, do you mean like when are eu baden the answer? >> so as you saw with him that keeps going through talks about your family, this guy's nuts, that kind of thing. so he feels like he's in charge even if these older and what does he do with his issues? i mean, he's the difference now is he's an incumbent, so he's got a record just like france out a record. and there are certainly vulnerabilities. i think the biggest frontally they are cost of living and immigration, right? >> so he's got to say, i'm here for your family. i hear you. i hear you that kind of ronald reagan s kinda thing is better. i hear your concerns. i'm going to do something about them. we've been through a hard time with immigration is a harder time. but again, i hear you i hear you. i think that's always a good what i hear you is so effective for is that he can't go out there and be happy. go lucky everything's great. america. i know you think the economy is bad, but you're the ones who are wrong. he can't do that. >> would you say don't use the word bidenomics would say don't use the word bidenomics from the very first time he said that i thought you have just cut an ad for the rnc every time he tries to claim like everything is wonderful, it is dissonant, but he will so can't go out and say everything is terrible. so i agree with qarrah, the i here you it's a very fine line to walk, but that's his only way to succeed on these economic. i also think he needs to start picking picking apart trump's record as well, right? >> there is a sort of nostalgia around trump's record for some people, particularly with the economy, particularly with immigration as well he needs to have it evidence that on a lot of these issues, particular immigration, trump wasn't so great. he promised to build a wall. he promised to really wrap this issue up and really solve immigration. he didn't do that. >> i want to double down on that point because biden wanted this june debate. he wanted an early debate prior to this, the earliest presidential phase so off was between ronald reagan and independent john anderson on september 21, 1980. and folks, yes, i was there a question, who does this early debate favor i think it favors biden because if he can show he's got all his marbles, it will put aside a lot of the concerns people well have and it will set him up stronger. >> trump. i actually think has mismanaged expectations and now he has a little bit more to lose. yeah, absolutely. because here's the thing. trump. would you have to be reminded of it as oh him, he's crazy. that kind of thing. oh, it's him again and i think people were tired of that act toward the end of his, which is why he lost. and i think if you keep reminding sort of people don't really look at the rallies. they don't look at the kind of things and they've paid attention to the trial, but full-on trump is like, oh that guy, like do i want that guy back? >> and le, let me pick up on that because there's a phrase that has become common in this election, trump amnesia, and that people, if you look at how they view trump's in a variety of areas in 2020 versus how they view them. now, they are much more favorable. is that part of what biden's got to do? is remind people? remember what you thought of trump four years ago he absolutely needs to do that and he needs to work. >> kristen was saying he needs to not appear dismissive of voters real concerns and say, these were your concerns during the era of trump. these are your concerns during the era of biden. i hear them. i understand them and i agree with what kristen said. the trump campaign has set a very low bar for biden to clear. they've said he senile. biden will clear that bar by simply standing declares by standing up right for 90 minutes and not confusing as he did in february, the name of the president of egypt with the present in an a mexican, i have one other thought about this. i think one of the reasons biden called for this early debate was particularly in the swing states. he's loser. and he needed to change the narrative. and one way or the other for good or real, this is going to change the narrow, i think that's right. and you saw biden keller have a swing with certain voters? 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or is it basically maybe one line but showing us rather than tell is critical here, show versus tail is absolutely. but he should have aligned tucked away some kinda little line that is funny. i'm sure he has lots of comedians at his disposal, tried to get one good line that there would be great for biden to lean into the age issue if you were actually capable of doing it, but i don't think he's actually capable of carrying it off in the way that ronald reagan did of the two candidates on that stage. trump is actually funny, capable of being funny. and biden excelled in 2020, the memorable line of that debate was when he said, will you shut up when he showed exasperating? janet and was dismissive of trump's constant interruptions and being annoying. and i think you got to put who you are, then. >> there are the gaps when despite all the coaching from their teams a candidate steps in it here's president gerald ford and a 1976 debates with jimmy carter various no soviet domination of eastern europe. >> and there never will be under a ford administration you know, i've watched this and then the reaction from the question as it was a team of questioners and max franklin, the new york times, looked like he had just said the sky is falling, just utter displayed. >> nia, who do you think of these two? biden and trump will lead jury for it out of it. yeah, it's more likely to have a bad bowman nelson, i think it's probably trump because trump doesn't really no policy. he doesn't really know substance. he has these sort of broad takes on the world, broad takes on the economy. but when it comes to sort of history and even in some ways, his own past and what he did on his own the administration, he isn't well-versed in that, so i think it's much more likely that he'll do it. he listen, i think they're both gaffe prone, but i think the more costly gaff will likely come from trump eliana, do you agree with that? i mean, both of these guys are fully capable of digging a hole for themselves. who do you think is more likely to? >> i don'