serious. that very gloomy and presidential look that they are both trying to affect. but, oh my goodness, as they continue to stand at the podium, i think many people in america, in fact, the majority, almost certainly, will watch this debate will be wondering what on earth is going on. they turned to leave, and at that stage, cnn catch to a wider shot as the president and former president trump leaves the stage. they don't go close to each other. joe biden is there, and there are family members with him on the stage. but the whole thing has been the most rambling, peculiar affair. someone in a focus group, quite early on in the course of the debate said it was a choice between the circus or the nursing home. and there has been a feeling among many people watching that, number one, the questions that were asked were not answered, but number two, this is probably the biggest story of the night, president biden did not look presidential. he did not hit home with the points that he needed to hit home. and there are bound to be questions now about whether he needs to be replaced. welcome to americast. americast. from bbc news. it isjust in, in the americast studio in a worldwide headquarters in london where i have been watching the debate. it is the middle of the night here, but it still been an enormous night where it has been a pleasure to be up. i think i'm right in saying that it is going to be an episode of comings and goings, i should say, at the moment. neither anthony or sarah are with me. they are both in atlanta where the debate was they are both going to join us. sarah is actually in the spin room at the moment hearing what the various people are saying about it. mills tyler taylor is on the line. he is a very good friend of the podcast. kick us off with the things that stood out for you. the thing is people will focus on. the things that will have legs and could make a difference. the that will have legs and could make a difference. .,, that will have legs and could make a difference. ., , ., , difference. the most obvious thing at the beginning _ difference. the most obvious thing at the beginning of— difference. the most obvious thing at the beginning of the _ difference. the most obvious thing at the beginning of the debate - difference. the most obvious thing at the beginning of the debate wasi at the beginning of the debate was the energy of the two candidates. i have said going into this debate that they would be three things to watch. age, range and appeals to populism. all three of those subjects definitely hits during this debate. age was the first and the most obvious. the relative vigour of the candidates is something that is going to be much discussed. donald trump has sometimes had low energy debate performances. they wanted to make sure that in comparison tojoe biden, he seemed vigorous. tonight, he did. the second category i meant, range. —— rage. even though he did. the second category i meant, range. —— rage. even thouthoe biden�*s coating start and mixing up the numbers, he did start to get into his stride after a while. you saw into his stride after a while. you sanoe biden excrete exchanged barbs with donald trump. they were almost as powerful as can's comment about biden not finishing his sentences. it came up multiple times in this debate, which is the line that donald trump's chief of staff, john kelly had said, he said the donald trump called foreign soldiers suckers and losers. questionnaires brought that up tonight. joe biden pushed back very forcefully against that comment. he ended that by saying that donald trump was the secker and the loser. it felt like a schoolyard brawl. it wasjoe biden�*s most powerful moment in the debate. there were moments where he should have hit home and he didn't. i was thinking about abortion and january the 6th. i thinking about abortion and january the 6th. 4' thinking about abortion and january the 6th. ~ ., ., ., the 6th. i think one of the other thins the 6th. i think one of the other things that _ the 6th. i think one of the other things that was _ the 6th. i think one of the other things that was missing - the 6th. i think one of the other things that was missing was - the 6th. i think one of the other things that was missing was the surprisingly limited discussion about the fact that donald trump is about the fact that donald trump is a convicted criminal and are still facing three other pending trials. a lot of people expected this debate would open with nods to the january the 6th insurrection and donald trump being a convicted criminal. those things did not appear until halfway through. that really set the tone for the debate. in a lot of weighted normalised what folks think has been quite an abnormal period in our politics with what has happened with donald trump and his legal cases. and, of course the continual bombast. ~ , , ., ., cases. and, of course the continual bombast. ~ , ., ., ., ., bombast. why did you not manage to land a blow about _ bombast. why did you not manage to land a blow about january _ bombast. why did you not manage to land a blow about january the - bombast. why did you not manage to land a blow about january the sick. i land a blow about january the sick. when they asked if he would accept the result of the next election, there was no pension biden. for a resident there was no pension biden. for a president who _ there was no pension biden. for a president who has _ there was no pension biden. for a president who has focused - there was no pension biden. er?" —. president who has focused on the importance of protecting democracy and fears about the guardrails of the american republic being corroded, this was a big mess. it should have been something that the candidate thatjoe biden wove into answers, even if it wasn't on topic, this is what you are trying to do in politics. if you asked a question and is not the question you want, you answer the question you want. biden missed opportunities throughout this debate to weaving some of those punch lines against donald trump and to highlight the real scope of the significance of this election.— this election. one of those occasions. _ this election. one of those occasions, he _ this election. one of those occasions, he talked - this election. one of those occasions, he talked about this election. one of those - occasions, he talked about temper's character. he had overseen itching to do that. it was quite late on in the he talked about trump having sex with a pawn staff. it fizzled out as a moment. it with a pawn staff. it fizzled out as a moment-— with a pawn staff. it fizzled out as a moment. . ~ , ~ ., a moment. it makes me think, we have talked about — a moment. it makes me think, we have talked about the _ a moment. it makes me think, we have talked about the double _ a moment. it makes me think, we have talked about the double haters - talked about the double haters before, people who say that neither term or biden is a candidate that they want. the double haters will feel vindicated by this debate. neither candidate really stood out to them. in donald trump they didn't get anything different tonight. nothing to inspire them to choose him. folks... i nothing to inspire them to choose him- folrs---_ nothing to inspire them to choose him. folks... i 'ust wonder whether the rules that — him. folks... ijust wonder whether the rules that everyone _ him. folks... ijust wonder whether the rules that everyone is _ him. folks... ijust wonder whether the rules that everyone is talking i the rules that everyone is talking about and they are really going to curtail donald trump, and is not going to be able to interrupt, i just wonder whether the rules helped him. for my money, he looked, he did randall quite a lot and he said things weren't true. his concluding statement was quite bizarre. it looked as if he kept himself under control and allowed biden and s rope. it seems like his acting violence had told him to do this. he follows a power of the work for him. he wasn't the angry trend that we saw in the debates last time round. even even that, it was a fact checking failure. if your policy in the debate is that the anchors are going to keep it moving, and that you're going to cut off the microphones, one of the upsize of thatis microphones, one of the upsize of that is that you keep the debate on time. one of the downside is that you don't let the candidates fact check each other. this you don't let the candidates fact check each other.— you don't let the candidates fact check each other. this thing was 'ust filled check each other. this thing was just filled with _ check each other. this thing was just filled with whoppers. - check each other. this thing was i just filled with whoppers. including from joe biden. though not as many from joe biden. though not as many from joe biden. let from joe biden. though not as many fromjoe biden-— from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really — from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really stood _ from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really stood out _ from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really stood out for _ from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really stood out for you - from joe biden. let us go for a few. what really stood out for you when | what really stood out for you when it came to donald trump's whoppers. on some of the most hot button issues, donald trump really tried to re—characterise his legacy. one was on veterans. veterans came up a surprising amount in this debate. donald trump said he was the biggest champion veterans. this was an easy one to identify. i recall vividly donald trump wanting to detonate the department of veterans affairs. he didn't like that so many was being spent on it. he has tried to re—characterise himself as a champion veterans. he also tried to re—characterise his position on abortion. he is concerned about how thatis abortion. he is concerned about how that is going to affect him. there were some other whoppers relating to his legal issues.— his legal issues. some of the legal issues, his legal issues. some of the legal issues. some _ his legal issues. some of the legal issues, some of— his legal issues. some of the legal issues, some of the _ his legal issues. some of the legal issues, some of the ones - his legal issues. some of the legal issues, some of the ones i - his legal issues. some of the legal issues, some of the ones i wrote l issues, some of the ones i wrote down was that there was no terror in his administration. talking about terrorism around the world. stop the things he claims about foreign affairs were really bizarre and completely and fact checked. there were things — completely and fact checked. there were things about _ completely and fact checked. there were things about donald _ completely and fact checked. ii—iiff were things about donald trump's personal life that we know to be true. he said out loud that he did not have sex with a pawn staff. i know that most people know that not to be true. jae know that most people know that not to be true. , ., �* ., know that most people know that not to be true. �* ., to be true. joe biden also said something _ to be true. joe biden also said something that _ to be true. joe biden also said something that was _ to be true. joe biden also said i something that was immediately repudiated by the border force union. he said that they had endorsed what he wanted to do on the border. they almost immediately sent out in a tweet saying that that wasn't the case. i thing that really struck me was the rambling lists. a one time he couldn't remember people how many were on the list. economists. it was presidential historians. it was just weird. presidential historian who said the donald trump was the worst president ever. this was byjoe biden talking. he could remember there was hundred and 58 of the more hundred 59 of them. who cares? why are you wasting your time like this? i them. who cares? why are you wasting your time like this?— your time like this? i think there will be a whole _ your time like this? i think there will be a whole slew— your time like this? i think there will be a whole slew of— your time like this? i think there | will be a whole slew of headlines written aboutjoe biden trying to memorise numbers. who on earth advised him to try and memorise so many numbers will stop it was a catastrophe for the president. he conflated billionaires with gillian ayres. thousands with millions. numbers were adjusted upward and downward. this didn'tjust happen one or two times, almost every other answer that the president gave tonight involved a number, and more often than not, he stumbled over the number. it was not a good look, and it certainly held back is answered and having the pension they needed. did you get anything out of it, joe biden? i did you get anything out of it, joe biden? ., , , , , biden? i would be surprised if the second debate _ biden? i would be surprised if the second debate happens _ biden? i would be surprised if the second debate happens on - biden? i would be surprised if the - second debate happens on september the 10th. it was so clearly unhelpful to president biden. i think they will be re—considering whether they want to do a second one. if you got anything out of it was probably the notion that this type of format, these side by side debates are not good forjoe biden if you want to be re—elected. i’ll if you want to be re-elected. i'll be clear if you want to be re—elected. i'll be clear about the answer to the question is a donald trump was asked to. specifically about this hugely important things. let's focus on abortion for a minute. there is no question at all that abortion is one of the big issues at this election. is it clearer now what donald trump believes? he was asked a very central question about whether he would sign a bill if it came to him from republican congress that bans abortion around the united states. he was asked that question. did he give a clear answer? i he was asked that question. did he give a clear answer?— give a clear answer? i don't think americans _ give a clear answer? i don't think americans got — give a clear answer? i don't think americans got clarity _ give a clear answer? i don't think americans got clarity on - give a clear answer? i don't think americans got clarity on where i give a clear answer? i don't think - americans got clarity on where trump will go on these things. we try to haveit will go on these things. we try to have it both ways, including on abortion. in my view, he was a stiff breeze he could be. he kept falling back to the point that he wanted to be deferential to the states. but if you read between the lines of a comment like that, that means a lot of americans come in a lot of states around the country, it will mean severe restrictions on reproductive rights and there was a tacit, if not explicit admission from donald trump but that reality would continue. irate but that reality would continue. we are joined by sarah. you have just come _ are joined by sarah. you have just come out — are joined by sarah. you have just come out from the spin room. what was the _ come out from the spin room. what was the mood like down there? that was the mood like down there? that was one of the _ was the mood like down there? trust was one of the more bizarre experiences i've had from thisjob. the party said at their most famous faces to talk to the press. to pump out the lines about how the candidate did. the democrats were running away from us. there were no democrats on the floor at all. there were also the people from the donald trump campaign. nobody from the democrats. they were huddled in a corner, absolutely surrounded by tv cameras. you could not get near them. they set told us not a way that they would take our questions. these were well known people there was the georgia senator there. the senator of california, gavin newsom was also there. they were making rather defensive statements. this was not normal by any standards. there was a big difference in the body language between the democrats and the republicans. this reflected what they had just seen. democrats knew it a disaster. what they were saying was thatjoe biden had a bit of a cold and that was why he had a raspy voice. don't worry about the style and the performance, let's talk about the substance of the debate. let us talk about the lies donald trump told. their hearts weren't in it. they didn't look like people really believe what they were saying. irate people really believe what they were sa inc. ~ ., people really believe what they were sa inc. ~ . ., , people really believe what they were sa in. _ . ., ., , ~' people really believe what they were sa in. ~ . ., m ., saying. we have had this kind of situation before. _ saying. we have had this kind of situation before. obama - saying. we have had this kind of situation before. obama could l saying. we have had this kind of. situation before. obama could not spin very— situation before. obama could not spin very well. neither could george bush _ spin very well. neither could george bush even— spin very well. neither could george bush. even ronald reagan in his first debate did not have a good debate — first debate did not have a good debate. it was very hard for their sunporters— debate. it was very hard for their supporters to put a positive spin on it. supporters to put a positive spin on it but _ supporters to put a positive spin on it but i _ supporters to put a positive spin on it. but i don't think i've seen a presidential debate quite as rough as this _ presidential debate quite as rough as this from joe biden tonight. i heard _ as this from joe biden tonight. i heard that — as this from joe biden tonight. i heard that gavin newsom got asked whether— heard that gavin newsom got asked whether he was going to run for president — whether he was going to run for president. i whether he was going to run for resident. ., , whether he was going to run for president-— whether he was going to run for resident. ., , ., ., , ., , president. i was one of the people are askin: president. i was one of the people are asking that. _ president. i was one of the people are asking that. i _ president. i was one of the people are asking that. i was _ president. i was one of the people are asking that. i was trying - president. i was one of the people are asking that. i was trying to - are asking that. i was trying to film some of it on my mobile phone. i wasn't completely convinced that my cameraman could veto the heads of the otherjournalists. i managed to cut some of it on my phone. while i was asking them was, are you going to change horses? do you need to think about another candidate? they were trying to tell us that it was the substance of the debate that mattered, not the style, not howjoe biden performed. let us look at what they were saying. let's look at all they were saying. let's look at all the untruths from donald trump. it was pretty clear that nobody was buying that. i asked gavin newsom, the california governor, whether he would consider running if the democrats changed horses. doctor no, he said i am back injoe biden. what else could he say. i asked one of the others whether they were worried that it was more likely now that donald trump would be elected? they were all telling me what a disaster would be if donald trump was present. they had prepared all these talking points before the debate began about how he is a danger to the nation. how bad it would be for the nation. how bad it would be for the nation. how bad it would be for the nation to have a convicted felon as its president. what i want to ask them was, don't you think it is now like more likely that he will be elected after that performance? they said, no, we are confident of victory. not one of them looked confident. , , victory. not one of them looked confident-— victory. not one of them looked confident. i, ., ., ., ., , confident. they put camargo harris on cnn after _ confident. they put camargo harris on cnn after the _ confident. they put camargo harris on cnn after the debate. _ confident. they put camargo harris on cnn after the debate. she - on cnn after the debate. she acknowledged that he had a rough start, _ acknowledged that he had a rough start, but— acknowledged that he had a rough start, but that he finished strong. democrats — start, but that he finished strong. democrats are worried about joe biden— democrats are worried about joe biden being the nominee. all of that is being _ biden being the nominee. all of that is being done anonymously. if the democrats — is being done anonymously. if the democrats are doing that publicly, thenjoe _ democrats are doing that publicly, thenjoe biden has a very serious problem — thenjoe biden has a very serious problem. but for them, thenjoe biden has a very serious problem. but forthem, this thenjoe biden has a very serious problem. but for them, this is early stop it _ problem. but for them, this is early stop it is _ problem. but for them, this is early stop it is onlyjune. they are trying — stop it is onlyjune. they are trying to— stop it is onlyjune. they are trying to focus on donald trump. one of the _ trying to focus on donald trump. one of the reasons they wanted to have this earlier — of the reasons they wanted to have this earlier to allow time to recoven _ this earlier to allow time to recover. they have that time, if they— recover. they have that time, if they can — recover. they have that time, if they can use it. the question is whether— they can use it. the question is whether they can make it through the next few— whether they can make it through the next few weeks. that whether they can make it through the next few weeks.— next few weeks. that must be a relief to the _ next few weeks. that must be a relief to the biden _ next few weeks. that must be a relief to the biden campaign. i next few weeks. that must be a - relief to the biden campaign. there are two candidates who could take over from are two candidates who could take overfrom him. both of them are saying that they have no interest in becoming the democratic candidate. they are all ahead of behind joe biden. irate they are all ahead of behind joe biden. ~ ., ., , biden. we will have to see whether joe biden biden. we will have to see whether joe itiden stepped _ biden. we will have to see whether joe biden stepped aside. _ biden. we will have to see whether joe biden stepped aside. people i biden. we will have to see whether i joe biden stepped aside. people may tell him _ joe biden stepped aside. people may tell him that he has to do for the good _ tell him that he has to do for the good of— tell him that he has to do for the good of the party. he is not showing any willingness to back away now. he has a _ any willingness to back away now. he has a campaign appearance tomorrow in north— has a campaign appearance tomorrow in north carolina. how well will he be able _ in north carolina. how well will he be able to— in north carolina. how well will he be able to respond to this on the stage? _ be able to respond to this on the stage? will the democrats rally around — stage? will the democrats rally around him? bettertalk stage? will the democrats rally around him? better talk about the temp _ around him? better talk about the temp campaign. they were out there early~ _ temp campaign. they were out there early~ what— temp campaign. they were out there early. what did they have to say? they— early. what did they have to say? they look— early. what did they have to say? they look like the cassidy got the cream. there wasn't much point how they've thought it went. the bar was very low forjoe biden, but he managed to creep right under it, some of them were saying. jason miller was quite bombastic. he doesn't hold back. he was being a little restraint. he said i think it went quite well. but what he really wants to do was pump his fist and is. they were absolutely delighted. i asked them whether they were weighed whether the democrats will change the candidate? are they worried about a younger more vibrant candidate running against donald trump? they said that they were not worried about it. but that was the one thing that they are worried about. did they do so well that they might actually end up getting rid of the only senior democrat they're guarantee to beat.— the only senior democrat they're guarantee to beat. when push comes to shove when _ guarantee to beat. when push comes to shove when the _ guarantee to beat. when push comes to shove when the dust _ guarantee to beat. when push comes to shove when the dust settles, - guarantee to beat. when push comes to shove when the dust settles, they| to shove when the dust settles, they may decide _ to shove when the dust settles, they may decide that they need to stick with this _ may decide that they need to stick with this horse. it is going to create — with this horse. it is going to create a _ with this horse. it is going to create a lot of concern. i talk to a deputy— create a lot of concern. i talk to a deputy campaign manager for the biden— deputy campaign manager for the biden campaign and we asked him whether— biden campaign and we asked him whether there was any thought about switching _ whether there was any thought about switching biden as a nominee. he wasn't _ switching biden as a nominee. he wasn't even going to dignify that with an — wasn't even going to dignify that with an answer. joe biden was going to be _ with an answer. joe biden was going to be the _ with an answer. joe biden was going to be the democratic nominee injoe biden— to be the democratic nominee injoe biden was— to be the democratic nominee injoe biden was going to win in november. the first— biden was going to win in november. the first is— biden was going to win in november. the first is probably true, the second — the first is probably true, the second part, they are going to be a lot of— second part, they are going to be a lot of democrats wondering what the likelihood _ lot of democrats wondering what the likelihood is ofjoe biden winning in november. we will watch the pose and see _ in november. we will watch the pose and see what the american public think— and see what the american public think about this. this may roll away amidst— think about this. this may roll away amidst all— think about this. this may roll away amidst all the summer activities. is amidst all the summer activities. is there amidst all the summer activities. there any amidst all the summer activities. is there any food you can get around here? i there any food you can get around here? ~' , ., ., , there any food you can get around here? ~' , . . , .,, here? i think the restaurant is open 24 hours a — here? i think the 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throat. they asked whether he thought he would be replaced, and he said no _ thought he would be replaced, and he said no he _ thought he would be replaced, and he said no. he said it was difficult to debate _ said no. he said it was difficult to debate donald trump because he liked so much _ debate donald trump because he liked so much. apparently donald trump like 26 _ so much. apparently donald trump like 26 times during the debate. joe biden— like 26 times during the debate. joe biden is— like 26 times during the debate. joe biden is putting a positive spin on this _ biden is putting a positive spin on this. ., biden is putting a positive spin on this. . ., ~ ., ., ., this. the main takeaway i have from this. the main takeaway i have from this is that there _ this. the main takeaway i have from this is that there is _ this. the main takeaway i have from this is that there is some _ this. the main takeaway i have from this is that there is some food - this is that there is some food store still open. i would like to remind people they can contact us on discord. you can always contact us by voice note. you can only wait contact us by e—mail. please use the hashtag on—screen. see you all later. hello. the very warm and humid air that affected parts of the uk earlier this week is now long gone, and there is some rain in the forecast for the week ahead, but it's not going to be raining everywhere all the time. this is the rain we are expecting to accumulate over the next five days. wettest of all across the north and the west of the uk, but further south just these pale blue colours. actually not huge amounts of rain getting down into the south of the country. now for saturday. there is some rain on the way courtesy of this rather weak frontal system, so that willjust bring a zone of cloud and some mostly light and patchy rain across parts of wales and into northern england. to the north of that northern ireland, southern and central scotland seeing some sunny skies developing. northern scotland breezy with some showers. best of the sunshine across the south and the south east of england, where we will see some warmer air returning just for a time. 25 degrees there in london. cooler further north and west, 16 for glasgow, 17 for belfast and through saturday night. this zone of cloud and mostly light and patchy rain will sink further southwards, clear skies following on behind, although another area of cloud and some showers pushing in across the north and the west of scotland. pretty mild and muggy start to sunday morning across the south east. start to sunday morning 15 there in london, but cooler and fresher further north and west. all of us getting into that cooler air once again during sunday, this ridge of high pressure trying to build its way in. so actually a lot of dry weather around on sunday, but with plenty of cloud feeding around that ridge of high pressure. so this zone of cloud spilling southwards with a few showers, some sunshine down towards the south coast. although even here there will be a few showers for a time temperature wise, north to south, 14 to 21 degrees around, or even just a touch below the average for the time of year in some locations. now a little ridge of high pressure still having some influence in the south. on monday, this frontal system pushing in from the west, bringing outbreaks of rain, chiefly across northern ireland, western scotland. but notice the further south you come along this weather front, there won't be much rain on it because that area of high pressure trying to build in will tend to squeeze out some of the wet weather temperatures. struggling a little bit again, 14—21 degrees. our big area of high pressure still with us to the southwest as we head into tuesday. ridging back across the uk for a time so that frontal system clears. we'll see some dry weather, some spells of sunshine, although it may well be that more cloud and some patchy rain pushes back in across the west later in the day. our next weak weather front approaching, those temperatures stubbornly stuck in that range between 14 and 21 degrees. now by wednesday, don't take the detail of this forecast too literally. it may well change, but we are likely to see another frontal system bringing cloud and some patchy rain in from the west. the heaviest of the rain, most likely across the north and west of the uk. lighter rain further south. highs of 14—20 degrees. the story of next week is all about the jet stream, bringing further weather systems our way. areas of low pressure showers or longer spells of rain. big question mark is about whether this ridge of high pressure to the south west will still manage to maintain some influence. i think it is likely that the further south you are across the uk, you probably won't see huge amounts of rain through the end of next week and on into the weekend. a greater chance of rain at further north and west. but one thing that looks pretty certain is that there is no sign of any heat wave on the way. live from london, this is bbc news. president biden vows to fight on after his poor debate performance against donald trump, but the new york times joins the call for him to leave the race. reform uk leader nigel farage insists that a campaigner caught using racist language to describe the prime minister was a set—up. few people have answered the call for volunteers in the search for missing british teenager jay slater in tenerife. and london is among cities across the world celebrating l—g—b—t-q plus communities with pride marches. hello president biden has come under more pressure to stand down from the race for the white house with an editorial in the influential new york times newspaper, calling on him to drop out, saying it's in the best interests of america. it followed his widely criticised performance in thursday's tv debate with donald trump when he stumbled over words and at times seemed to lose track of what he was saying. mr biden remains defiant. at his first campaign rally since the debate, he told supporters in north carolina that the us itself was at stake in november's election, calling his opponent a genuine threat to democracy. directly addressing concerns about his age, mr biden told the rally he'd been knocked down but would get back up. our north america correspondent david willis reports. fired up by a faithful crowd, joe biden took to the stage in the swing state of north carolina, seemingly unfazed by the torrent of bad headlines his disjointed debate