to m next was done in august. before i move on to my next question, _ was done in august. before i move on to my next question, you _ was done in august. before i move on to my next question, you say - was done in august. before i move on to my next question, you say it - to my next question, you say it wasn't relevant in the earlier period. forthose wasn't relevant in the earlier period. for those on low incomes who kept the country going, working in food processing plants, in transport, in social care through lockdown, it was highly relevant, wasn't it? �* . , wasn't it? and there was considerable _ wasn't it? and there was considerable support - wasn't it? and there was considerable support in i wasn't it? and there was - considerable support in place for the most — considerable support in place for the most vulnerable, as i have documented in my previous answers. not only— documented in my previous answers. not only did — documented in my previous answers. not only did we put in a hardship fund _ not only did we put in a hardship fund for— not only did we put in a hardship fund for local authorities to help people _ fund for local authorities to help people who most needed it, we temporarily increased universal credit, — temporarily increased universal credit, which was worse £1000 per vear~ _ credit, which was worse £1000 per vear~ we _ credit, which was worse £1000 per year. we increased the local housing aiiowance _ year. we increased the local housing allowance for 1.5 million of the most _ allowance for 1.5 million of the most vulnerable families were worth £600 _ most vulnerable families were worth £600 per— most vulnerable families were worth £600 per year, and we added a southern — £600 per year, and we added a southern planning scheme so those who were _ southern planning scheme so those who were self—employed benefited from considerable support, whether they were _ from considerable support, whether they were able to work or not. there was considerable support in place of everybody _ was considerable support in place of everybody and the evidence is clear that it _ everybody and the evidence is clear that it did _ everybody and the evidence is clear that it did benefit the most vulnerable and those on the lowest inconres _ vulnerable and those on the lowest incomes. my point was that this became — incomes. my point was that this became a — incomes. my point was that this became a more significant consideration in terms of the scale because _ consideration in terms of the scale because of— consideration in terms of the scale because of test, track and trace. this had — because of test, track and trace. this had an _ because of test, track and trace. this had an ability to impact the national— this had an ability to impact the national progress of the pandemic because _ national progress of the pandemic because we were in our testing at such— because we were in our testing at such a _ because we were in our testing at such a scale. as sooner that became a conversation and it was set up, we engage _ a conversation and it was set up, we engage with — a conversation and it was set up, we engage with those, conversations and provided _ engage with those, conversations and provided that support. gn engage with those, conversations and provided that support.— provided that support. on that scheme introduced _ provided that support. on that scheme introduced in - provided that support. on that. scheme introduced in september, providing £500 of support, it ultimately had very low take—up, didn't it? ultimately had very low take-up, didn't it? , , , . , didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth _ didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth of _ didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth of people _ didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth of people took- didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth of people took it - didn't it? yes, my understanding is around a fifth of people took it up. | around a fifth of people took it up. in around a fifth of people took it up. in terms— around a fifth of people took it up. in terms of— around a fifth of people took it up. in terms of the reasons for that, it was a _ in terms of the reasons for that, it was a iocai— in terms of the reasons for that, it was a local authority administered scheme _ was a local authority administered scheme. was it foreseen that doing it that _ scheme. was it foreseen that doing it that way— scheme. was it foreseen that doing it that way would be cumbersome and, frankly. _ it that way would be cumbersome and, frankly, inaccessible, with many iocai— frankly, inaccessible, with many local authorities each incrementing their own _ local authorities each incrementing their own individual scheme in a slightly— their own individual scheme in a slightly different way?— their own individual scheme in a slightly different way? look, that is alwa s slightly different way? look, that is always the _ slightly different way? look, that is always the challenge _ slightly different way? look, that is always the challenge with - slightly different way? look, that | is always the challenge with doing things by local authorities, they will be slightly different even with local guidance. i don't think there was an alternative. it was accepted that it wouldn't be perfect, but it was better than doing nothing. the only others alternative with dwp, but it was clear from the advice that i received that it wasn't practical, not least because it would have required primary legislation for the dwp to make payments like that, a bed and have the apparatus, unlike local authorities, who were well placed to know their most vulnerable people, and also local authorities did have access to all the same underlying benefits data as dwp.— access to all the same underlying benefits data as dwp. none of these are perfect. — benefits data as dwp. none of these are perfect. by _ benefits data as dwp. none of these are 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participants on - wednesday and thursday, and because of the _ wednesday and thursday, and because of the tight— wednesday and thursday, and because of the tight timetable, _ wednesday and thursday, and because of the tight timetable, i— wednesday and thursday, and because of the tight timetable, i will— wednesday and thursday, and because of the tight timetable, i will give - of the tight timetable, i will give them _ of the tight timetable, i will give them an— of the tight timetable, i will give them an extended _ of the tight timetable, i will give them an extended time - of the tight timetable, i will give them an extended time to - of the tight timetable, i will givei them an extended time to submit of the tight timetable, i will give - them an extended time to submit any written _ them an extended time to submit any written submissions _ them an extended time to submit any written submissions to _ them an extended time to submit any written submissions to supplement i written submissions to supplement their oral— written submissions to supplement their oral submissions. _ written submissions to supplement their oral submissions. i— written submissions to supplement their oral submissions. i shall- their oral submissions. i shall return— their oral submissions. i shall return to _ their oral submissions. i shall return to module _ their oral submissions. i shall return to module two - their oral submissions. i shall return to module two on i their oral submissions. i shall- return to module two on wednesday. wrapping _ return to module two on wednesday. wrapping up — return to module two on wednesday. wrapping up the _ return to module two on wednesday. wrapping up the day's _ return to module two on wednesday. wrapping up the day's proceedings. i wrapping up the day's proceedings. the prime minister, rishi sunak there, spending the day giving evidence to the covid inquiry. it has apologise ofosu suffered as a result of government decisions in the pandemic. scientific advisers have already told the inquiry that they didn't know about the eat out to help out plan until it was announced and there were concerns that it could spread the virus. when asked about the scheme, the prime minister defended it from the accusations that it was introduced without any scientific backing. eat out to help 0ut was designed specifically in the context of the safe lifting of things that had been signed _ safe lifting of things that had been signed off as part of the main plan which _ signed off as part of the main plan which had — signed off as part of the main plan which had reopened hospitality, indoor— which had reopened hospitality, indoor hospitality. that had been part of— indoor hospitality. that had been part of the approved plan. eat 0ut part of the approved plan. eat out to help— part of the approved plan. eat out to help 0ut only operated within that context and there were a significant range of other things in place. _ significant range of other things in place, including social distancing, covid _ place, including social distancing, covid secure guidance, table service, _ covid secure guidance, table service, contactless systems, which were all— service, contactless systems, which were all in— service, contactless systems, which were all in place. the overall reopening of indoor hospitality had already— reopening of indoor hospitality had already been implemented and, as we discussed _ already been implemented and, as we discussed before, modelled and all the rest _ discussed before, modelled and all the rest of— discussed before, modelled and all the rest of it and involved in scientists— the rest of it and involved in scientists in that. eat 0ut the rest of it and involved in scientists in that. eat out to help 0ut was _ scientists in that. eat out to help 0ut was designed to operate in that context _ 0ut was designed to operate in that context it — 0ut was designed to operate in that context. it didn't do anything further— context. it didn't do anything further than that. it was a micro—policy to make sure that that capacity— micro—policy to make sure that that capacity which was part of a package that could _ capacity which was part of a package that could be safely delivered and make _ that could be safely delivered and make sure that was used. it was done very much— make sure that was used. it was done very much in— make sure that was used. it was done very much in that context. in the same _ very much in that context. in the same way— very much in that context. in the same way that other economic decisions _ same way that other economic decisions like a vat cut for hospitality or a stamp duty cut or anything — hospitality or a stamp duty cut or anything further or grants for the hospitality industry wouldn't ordinarily be cleared with medical advisers. — ordinarily be cleared with medical advisers, norwas ordinarily be cleared with medical advisers, nor was this. we had a ready— advisers, nor was this. we had a ready made _ advisers, nor was this. we had a ready made the collective decision to reopen — ready made the collective decision to reopen indoor hospitality and it was a _ to reopen indoor hospitality and it was a policy that sat within and beneath— was a policy that sat within and beneath that. he was a policy that sat within and beneath that.— was a policy that sat within and beneath that. , ., ., beneath that. he pointed out there were three months _ beneath that. he pointed out there were three months for _ beneath that. he pointed out there were three months for any - beneath that. he pointed out there i were three months for any objections to be raised between the introduction of the scheme and its commencement. it precisely in those three _ and its commencement. it precisely in those three meetings _ and its commencement. it precisely in those three meetings that - and its commencement. it precisely in those three meetings that you i in those three meetings that you mentioned, the chief medical officer in the _ mentioned, the chief medical officer in the minutes talked about two significant risk moments, schools and winter — significant risk moments, schools and winter. he did not mention eat 0ut and winter. he did not mention eat out to— and winter. he did not mention eat out to help 0ut. and winter. he did not mention eat out to help out. if i could just finish. — out to help out. if i could just finish, because it is important, on the 22nd — finish, because it is important, on the 22nd of— finish, because it is important, on the 22nd ofjuly, the agenda item is august— the 22nd ofjuly, the agenda item is august planning. again, it was not raised _ august planning. again, it was not raised by— august planning. again, it was not raised by the chief scientific adviser— raised by the chief scientific adviser or chief medical officer. on the 6th— adviser or chief medical officer. on the 6th of— adviser or chief medical officer. on the 6th of august, again, the minutes— the 6th of august, again, the minutes show that returning to schools — minutes show that returning to schools with a single riskiest element _ schools with a single riskiest element of the planning. those things— element of the planning. those things happened after the ns and defeat _ things happened after the ns and defeat out to help out. all of them involve _ defeat out to help out. all of them involve the — defeat out to help out. all of them involve the chief scientific adviser at the _ involve the chief scientific adviser at the chief medical officer. they considered the forthcoming risks and enough _ considered the forthcoming risks and enough of— considered the forthcoming risks and enough of those meetings was it raised _ enough of those meetings was it raised by— enough of those meetings was it raised by them as an issue. indeed, the pps— raised by them as an issue. indeed, the pps to — raised by them as an issue. indeed, the pps to the prime minister has been _ the pps to the prime minister has been specific that he doesn't recognise requests from them to revisit— recognise requests from them to revisit the — recognise requests from them to revisit the policy. i have outlined my reasons _ revisit the policy. i have outlined my reasons for why bm permitted the policy _ my reasons for why bm permitted the policy and _ my reasons for why bm permitted the policy and why we thought it was the i’ili'it policy and why we thought it was the right thing _ policy and why we thought it was the right thing to do. but at none of those _ right thing to do. but at none of those moments in those meetings, there _ those moments in those meetings, there was— those moments in those meetings, there was plenty of opportunity for people _ there was plenty of opportunity for people to — there was plenty of opportunity for people to raise it with me or the prime _ people to raise it with me or the prime and. _ people to raise it with me or the prime and, and i don't recall and the minutes do not suggest that it was raised — the minutes do not suggest that it was raised at all in the three precise — was raised at all in the three precise meetings you mentioned. our precise meetings you mentioned. oi" correspondent is precise meetings you mentioned. ij' correspondent is life for us outside the inquiry and has been following all of the evidence. let's go back to the beginning of the day and the prime minister starting with an apology. yes. the day and the prime minister starting with an apology. yes, in marked difference _ starting with an apology. yes, in marked difference to _ starting with an apology. yes, in marked difference to what i starting with an apology. yes, in marked difference to what we i starting with an apology. yes, in l marked difference to what we call robust language that he used in the clips you have just played about eat out to help out, he started off rather more serenely, certainly more apologetic. it was an apology about some of the decisions made, the pain and suffering that was caused by the decisions that were made and the decisions that were made and the decisions and the actions that were taken. on the half of the government. it wasn't necessarily a personal apology, obviously, government. it wasn't necessarily a personalapology, obviously, he was chancellor at the time, wasn't making the final decisions. that is something we have seen from all of the politicians we have seen. we are keeping an eye out because he is excited to leave shortly. in stark difference to the clip you just played about that defence of eat out to help out. he played about that defence of eat out to help out-— to help out. he was also talking about some _ to help out. he was also talking about some of _ to help out. he was also talking about some of the _ to help out. he was also talking about some of the accusations, i to help out. he was also talking i about some of the accusations, the name—calling that the treasury received during the pandemic, wasn't he? . . , . received during the pandemic, wasn't he? . . ~' . he? yeah, he was and like the eat out to help _ he? yeah, he was and like the eat out to help out. _ he? yeah, he was and like the eat out to help out, he _ he? yeah, he was and like the eat out to help out, he anticipated i out to help out, he anticipated being asked about it. we have heard so much about number ten and the broader decision—making and we have heard about the treasury and issues. there was a scientific adviser in a message you talked about rishi sunak as doctor death, relating to the issue of him wanting to pull back on restrictions because of the impact to the economy. also the treasury being referred to as the pro—death squad because of that idea that it was a department that was concerned with the economy. we can hear a clip from that bit now.— from that bit now. inappropriately and unattractively, _ from that bit now. inappropriately and unattractively, there - from that bit now. inappropriately and unattractively, there is- and unattractively, there is material— and unattractively, there is material that— and unattractively, there is material that shows - and unattractively, there is material that shows that i and unattractively, there is. material that shows that the treasury _ material that shows that the treasury was _ material that shows that the treasury was pejoratively i material that shows that the - treasury was pejoratively associated with death, — treasury was pejoratively associated with death, some _ treasury was pejoratively associated with death, some officials— treasury was pejoratively associated with death, some officials in- treasury was pejoratively associated | with death, some officials in number ten describes — with death, some officials in number ten describes the _ with death, some officials in number ten describes the treasury— with death, some officials in number ten describes the treasury as - with death, some officials in number ten describes the treasury as the i ten describes the treasury as the pro-death — ten describes the treasury as the pro-death sguad _ ten describes the treasury as the pro—death squad. obviously, i ten describes the treasury as the pro—death squad. obviously, oni pro—death squad. obviously, on account— pro—death squad. obviously, on account of— pro—death squad. obviously, on account of the _ pro—death squad. obviously, on account of the fact _ pro—death squad. obviously, on account of the fact that - pro—death squad. obviously, on account of the fact that the i account of the fact that the treasury _ account of the fact that the treasury was _ account of the fact that the treasury was seen - account of the fact that the treasury was seen to - account of the fact that the treasury was seen to be i account of the fact that the - treasury was seen to be opposed to maximum _ treasury was seen to be opposed to maximum public— treasury was seen to be opposed to maximum public health _ treasury was seen to be opposed to. maximum public health interventions and was _ maximum public health interventions and was promoting _ maximum public health interventions and was promoting the _ maximum public health interventions and was promoting the issue - maximum public health interventions and was promoting the issue of- maximum public health interventions and was promoting the issue of the l and was promoting the issue of the need _ and was promoting the issue of the need to— and was promoting the issue of the need to avoid — and was promoting the issue of the need to avoid economic _ and was promoting the issue of the need to avoid economic and - and was promoting the issue of thel need to avoid economic and societal damage _ need to avoid economic and societal damage and — need to avoid economic and societal damage and harm _ need to avoid economic and societal damage and harm. were _ need to avoid economic and societal damage and harm. were you - need to avoid economic and societal damage and harm. were you awarei need to avoid economic and societal i damage and harm. were you aware that the treasury _ damage and harm. were you aware that the treasury was — damage and harm. were you aware that the treasury was being _ damage and harm. were you aware that the treasury was being referred - damage and harm. were you aware that the treasury was being referred to - the treasury was being referred to in those _ the treasury was being referred to in those terms? _ the treasury was being referred to in those terms? i _ the treasury was being referred to in those terms?— in those terms? i wasn't, and i do not think in those terms? i wasn't, and i do rrot think it _ in those terms? i wasn't, and i do not think it is — in those terms? i wasn't, and i do not think it is a _ in those terms? i wasn't, and i do not think it is a fair _ not think it is a fair characterisation on the incredibly hard—working people that i was lucky to be supported by the treasury. you talked _ to be supported by the treasury. you talked about the people at sage being _ talked about the people at sage being motivated by doing what they thought— being motivated by doing what they thought was best in the public interest, — thought was best in the public interest, i would say the same about all the _ interest, i would say the same about all the people who work with me at the treasury, who worked extremely hard to _ the treasury, who worked extremely hard to read — the treasury, who worked extremely hard to read the entire period. as you hard to read the entire period. you said, hard to read the entire period. is you said, rishi hard to read the entire period. s you said, rishi sunak hard to read the entire period. is you said, rishi sunak was chancellor, borisjohnson was prime minister. when asked about him and his decision—making processes, he took the opportunity to defend boris johnson, didn't he?— johnson, didn't he? yeah, he did. that was quite — johnson, didn't he? yeah, he did. that was quite interesting - johnson, didn't he? yeah, he did. | that was quite interesting because he was anticipating it. boris johnson was prime at the time and he made the key decisions with the advice of other ministers and advisers and scientists at the rest. rishi sunak was pretty defensive when talking about borisjohnson on two accounts. he talked about the dysfunctionality at the centre of downing street, which we have heard time and time again, how decisions were made. borisjohnson was micro—top adviser refer to him as the trolley because he veered from site to site in terms of making a decision. another adviser said he basically took the advice of the last person he had spoken to in the room. rishi sunak said that wasn't the case, that he believed that borisjohnson had sucked —— had such momentous decisions to make that he took them all on board and what was considered indecision with a positive thing because of the times we find ourselves in. he was also asked about... he felt he had access to the prime at all points, was the prime minister listening to rishi sunak as his top guide, his guy in the treasury? he said, absolutely right. that came in the form of cabinet meetings and private meetings. he lived next door to the prime minister, so there were private conversations in the weekend when they were sitting in the garden. he neverfelt he was when they were sitting in the garden. he never felt he was cut out from the decision—making process, or at least that his voice wasn't heard. ~ . , , heard. we heard the proceedings wra -|n~ heard. we heard the proceedings wrapping up. _ heard. we heard the proceedings wrapping op. ending _ heard. we heard the proceedings wrapping up, ending the - heard. we heard the proceedings wrapping up, ending the oral- wrapping up, ending the oral proceedings. what happens next? it is a peak moment, if you like. we have heard over the last eight or so weeks, from scientific advisers, civil servants who were important, political advisers, a week of cabinet ministers, and then boris johnson for two days of last week and the one day with rishi sunak today. bringing together the past and present leadership. as you say, todayis and present leadership. as you say, today is the last witness statement today, the last kind of headline grabbing down as well of this part of the inquiry. what happens now? baroness hallet alluded to it, she will go forward in the new year, taking the inquiry on a bit of a road trip, to the likes of the devolved nations, which will conclude this part of the inquiry. it is split into a number of modules. we had module one in the summer of this year, which was about the preparedness ahead of the pandemic. this bit is about little decisions made, which is why we have been hearing so much from the politicians at the time. then they will go later modules to talk about the specifics. there will be a module about care homes, likely to be something about ppe, protective gear, likely to be a module about economic packages and furloughed and things like that. what we will hear about this, and there has been plenty to hear in the last few weeks, it will be collated, all of the witness statements, both the written witness statement and the oral evidence we have heard so much about. that will be collated, there will be conclusions and recommendations made. we are expecting those by the end of next year. but we don't have a clearer timetable on that. i year. but we don't have a clearer timetable on that.— year. but we don't have a clearer timetable on that. i know you are keein: timetable on that. i know you are keeping and _ timetable on that. i know you are keeping and i _ timetable on that. i know you are keeping and i had, _ timetable on that. i know you are keeping and i had, i _ timetable on that. i know you are keeping and i had, iwill- timetable on that. i know you are keeping and i had, i will shout i timetable on that. i know you are. keeping and i had, i will shout that he is behind you if he appears at the doors. i want to talk about the relatives of those who died during the pandemic. there are those who have been that during these proceedings to make sure their loved ones are remembered and they are represented by lawyers in that room. what is the feeling from those you have managed to speak to in the past seven or eight weeks?— seven or eight weeks? there have been more — seven or eight weeks? there have been more of _ seven or eight weeks? there have been more of them _ seven or eight weeks? there have been more of them over— seven or eight weeks? there have been more of them over the i seven or eight weeks? there have been more of them over the last i seven or eight weeks? there have i been more of them over the last few weeks coming here to make their presence felt. you can probably see some of them over there. a number have travelled hundreds of miles to be here. they will have been in the inquiry rome itself to hear straight from the horse's mouth what these politicians have been saying. there are those representing bereaved families and those who suffer from long covid. at times, there were protesters on the half of the trade unions, on behalf of disabled people. there have been those outside a lot of the time, and particularly on the big political days, when most of the politicians are here. you do get a sense that you can get lost in some of the politics of it, you lose track of the personal stories. some of the personal stories are harrowing and you forget, if it didn't happen to you, what other people went through and the restrictions, how people were not with their loved ones at the end. there is a real mix of some of the tragic stories that people have found themselves in. that is why they have felt it important to be here today. the prime minister's car is arriving, so he is about to leave. one gentleman is over there who has been here every day, holding up who has been here every day, holding up a photo of his father, goes into the inquiry room and holds that photo. it gives you a sense of the personal loss that a number of so many people during the pandemic. that is the point of this, it is an inquiry to look at the processes, the decision—making during the pandemic. crucially, it is not an inquiry to apportion personal blame, but that comes as a by—product as we hear what people said and did, the actions that were taken. that is not the idea behind the inquiry. it is about the processes and also, as baroness hallet has made clear, it is about hearing the stories of individuals. there is a scheme run by the inquiry called every story matters in which it takes testimony from those around the country, people who lost loved ones, and the idea is to build a picture of the processes and decision—making at the broader story of the nation as it went through the pandemic. ibis broader story of the nation as it went through the pandemic. as you sa , ou went through the pandemic. as you say. you have _ went through the pandemic. as you say, you have listened _ went through the pandemic. as you say, you have listened to _ went through the pandemic. as you say, you have listened to many i went through the pandemic. as you i say, you have listened to many hours over the past seven or eight weeks of evidence given by scientists and advisers and politicians. it is not about apportioning blame, it is about apportioning blame, it is about getting to an understanding of how the decision process was made and where mistakes were made so if it happens again, those mistakes would not be repeated. there has been criticism that that hasn't necessarily hasn't been reached by those asking the question. what is yoursense those asking the question. what is your sense of where we could go with this, what lessons may have been learned? i this, what lessons may have been learned? .. this, what lessons may have been learned? ,, , ., ., , ., learned? i think you always get a sense when _ learned? i think you always get a sense when baroness _ learned? i think you always get a sense when baroness hallet i learned? i think you always get a i sense when baroness hallet makes an interjection herself on the areas she is interested in. i am being waved at, because here he comes. rishi sunak is leaving the inquiry. just getting into his car there, not being heckled, which is in stark difference to borisjohnson, who was heckled as he left was a sombre silence from the protesters. but it has been 5.5 hours of evidence today from rishi sunak. i think it is fair to say he looked pretty tired by the end of it, but it was quite a grilling. and not a quiet week for the prime minister backin quiet week for the prime minister back in westminster.— quiet week for the prime minister back in westminster. absolutely. a bus da back in westminster. absolutely. a busy day tomorrow _ back in westminster. absolutely. a busy day tomorrow as _ back in westminster. absolutely. a busy day tomorrow as well. - back in westminster. absolutely. a busy day tomorrow as well. thanki back in westminster. absolutely. a i busy day tomorrow as well. thank you for taking us through all of that. we will leave our coverage of the covid inquiry there. you can get a summary of the evidence from rishi sunak on the bbc website or app. the uk government is offering a financial package worth £2.25 billion to support the return of a stormont executive. it would include a lump sum to settle public sector pay claims. the financial package was announced after talks between the secretary of state for northern ireland and the five main parties at hillsborough today. sojeffrey donaldson says the money isn't enough to restore devolution. life now to our correspondent who can bring us up—to—date on this. remind us of the long—running dispute over the fact there hasn't been a serving assembly there for some time and what is being done about it? hasn't been a functioning _ what is being done about it? hasn't been a functioning executive - what is being done about it? hasn't been a functioning executive for. been a functioning executive for about 21 months now, since the dup left the power—sharing arrangement at stormont in protest over post—brexit trading arrangements. as you say, chris heaton harris was meeting with the five main political parties at hillsborough this afternoon. he said those talks were about northern ireland finances. before they even started, he was keen to address the media. he told us they had been a lot of speculation over the weekend that the uk government's talks with the dup over the apostle paul restoration of stormont work included, but progress was being made. he wouldn't give a running commentary, he said. we did get detail about that financial package, £2.5 billion, we are told, to support the return of stormont. they haven't laid out the exact detail. but what we understand is it would be made up of a lump sum to pay for civil service. there have been strikes here overpay from people who work in those sectors. it would also allow overspends from this year and last year, which are to hundreds of millions of pounds, to be repaid over five years. we also understand that the government is framing all of this as being dependent on the return of devolution. the executive also being told they would have to commit to raising rates for homes and businesses by 15%. we did hear from all the political parties after today's meeting, they were all in agreement that it wasn't enough money, but said they want to go away and look at the detail of what is on the table. we were told they would be detailed talks tomorrow, more round table political talks, to look at what government is offering and that possible restoration of devolution in northern ireland. thank you for that update from belfast. before be get onto, some breaking news, three people have been guilty of murder. thejury had been news, three people have been guilty of murder. the jury had been turned the mother of two was tortured, starved and battered to death by three sadistic people. they all denied murder. our home affairs, respondent reports. shakira spencer with her online make—up lessons. she was a healthy young woman with a partner and two children. she became an emaciated wreck after she lost control of her life. she was starved, fed only sachets of ketchup and treated like a slave. and this was the evil trio responsible. the leader, herfriend, and her one—time boyfriend. she is a cruel, manipulative, coercive individual. she seems to have a power over people and controls them.— have a power over people and controls them. ,, ., , controls them. she had befriended shakira, introducing _ controls them. she had befriended shakira, introducing her— controls them. she had befriended shakira, introducing her to - controls them. she had befriended shakira, introducing her to drugs, | shakira, introducing her to drugs, and then isolating herfrom shakira, introducing her to drugs, and then isolating her from the life she had established. her relationship with her partner broke up. herflat in harrow was one of the places where she and the other two subjected shakira to a campaign of cruelty and humiliation. they filmed themselves abusing her. over a weekend in september 2022, came theirfinal a weekend in september 2022, came their final attacks.— their final attacks. boiling water was used to _ their final attacks. boiling water was used to injure _ their final attacks. boiling water was used to injure shakira. i their final attacks. boiling water was used to injure shakira. a i their final attacks. boiling water i was used to injure shakira. a kind of makeshift flame—thrower with a can of aerosol was used to burn her. then beatings around the head with what has been described as a heavy massager. what has been described as a heavy massauer. , , . , massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca _ massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca into _ massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca into a _ massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca into a car— massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca into a car boot i massager. they then bundled a dying town three mecca into a car boot and | town three mecca into a car boot and drove her back to her own flat in ealing in west london. they locked her in a cupboard in the whole. they later returned and moved her to a bottom bunk bed. it is not known whether she was alive or dead at this point. they left her body to rot and decompose. two weeks later, neighbours saw maggots crawling out from under her front door and neighbours saw maggots crawling out from under herfront door and called the police. ihla from under her front door and called the olice. ., . ., ., ., the police. no amount of time that the police. no amount of time that the net the police. no amount of time that they get would _ the police. no amount of time that they get would be _ the police. no amount of time that they get would be enough - the police. no amount of time that they get would be enough for- the police. no amount of time that they get would be enough for whatj they get would be enough for what they get would be enough for what they have — they get would be enough for what they have done. they have taken someone — they have done. they have taken someone very special. what they have done is _ someone very special. what they have done is disgusting, sickening, to someone — done is disgusting, sickening, to someone who is bubbly and kind and jokey. _ someone who is bubbly and kind and jokey, caring, loving. tojust be taken— jokey, caring, loving. tojust be taken away, for what, really? it is heartbreaking.— heartbreaking. ealing council says it is carrying _ heartbreaking. ealing council says it is carrying out — heartbreaking. ealing council says it is carrying out a _ heartbreaking. ealing council says it is carrying out a safeguarding i it is carrying out a safeguarding adults review into the case of shakira spencer. june kelly, bbc news. you can find out more on that story and all of the day's top stories on our website. stay with us here on bbc news. we will be live with all of the date's stories shortly. live from london. this is bbc news. the fighting intensifies around khan younis in southern gaza. rishi defends his time, saying he only ever acted in the best interest of the uk and all of its citizens. some officials described the treasure is the pro—death squad stop but i do not think that is a fair characterisation on the incredibly hard—working people. as rishi gives hard—working people. as rishigives gives evidence to the covid inquiry, here at bbc verify, we have been looking at the impact of his eat out to help out scheme, and whether it caused an increase in covid cases. some of rishi �*s on conservative backbenchers say the legislation will not work. the fighting intensifies around khan younis in southern gaza. mediators say the chances of a new ceasefire are narrowing — we'll hear from the israeli prime minister's spokesman. hamas fires more rockets into israel — as they warn no hostage will leave gaza alive — unless their demands are met. the climate summit, disappointment for others as the declaration drops any reference to phasing out fossil fuels. hello, welcome to verified live,

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