conservatives as well. prime minister, the british public are not fools. they never believe the word of it. they think the prime minister should do the decent thing and resigned. fir minister should do the decent thing and resigned-— and resigned. or they didn't think the rules apply — and resigned. or they didn't think the rules apply to _ and resigned. or they didn't think the rules apply to number- and resigned. or they didn't think the rules apply to number ten, i and resigned. or they didn't think i the rules apply to number ten, which was at? _ the rules apply to number ten, which was at? i _ the rules apply to number ten, which was at? , ., ., ., was at? i will give you one more chance as _ was at? i will give you one more chance as leader, _ was at? i will give you one more chance as leader, i— was at? i will give you one more chance as leader, i don't - was at? i will give you one more chance as leader, i don't want i was at? i will give you one more | chance as leader, i don't want to have _ chance as leader, i don't want to have to — chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw_ chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw you _ chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw you out _ chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw you out and - chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw you out and i - chance as leader, i don't want to have to throw you out and i give | chance as leader, i don't want to . have to throw you out and i give you this chants — a fiery exchange leads to the westminster leader of the snp getting kicked out of the chamber. ian blackford accused the prime minister of lying to the commons — something you aren�*t allowed to do. the metropolitan police says officers are reviewing more than 300 images and 500 pages of information handed over from the cabinet office. an initial report into allegations of lockdown parties in downing street has said there were "failures of leadership and judgement" within number 10. the prime minister has told mps he "accepts sue gray�*s generalfindings in full" and "above all her recommendation that we must learn from these events and act now". he said he was "sorry for the things we simply didn�*t get right and also sorry for the way that this matter has been handled". he also said he will overhaul the operation in downing street and the cabinet office to address the concerns raised in sue gray�*s report, adding: "i get it and i will fix it." in response the labour leader sir keir starmer said the british people believe borisjohnson should "do the decent thing and resign" and he is "a man without shame". let�*s take a look at those initial findings of sue gray�*s report into parties at downing street. sue gray�*s report confirms that the metropolitan police are investigating 12 events on 8 separate dates including a gathering at the flat of the number 10 flat on 13th november 2020. the 12 page long report makes clear that some of the events in downing street over the lockdowns "should not have been allowed to take place", while others "should not have been allowed to develop as they did". it found "the excessive consumption of alcohol is not appropriate in a professional workplace at any time". some staff wanted to raise concerns about behaviours they witnessed at work but at times felt unable to do so — no member of staff should feel unable to report or challenge poor conduct where they witness it. the leadership structures in no 10 are fragmented and complicated and this has sometimes led to the blurring of lines of accountability. it concludes "there is significant learning to be drawn from these events which must be addressed immediately across government. and, says sue gray, "this does not need to wait for the police investigations to be concluded." earlier, borisjohson gave this statement to the house of commons on the sue gray report. firstly, i want to say sorry. and i am sorry for the things we simply did not get right and also sorry for the way this matter has been handled. it is no use saying that this or that was within the rules and there is no use saying that people were working hard. this pandemic was hard for everyone. we ask people across this country to make the most extraordinary sacrifices, not to meet loved ones, not to visit relatives before they died and understand the anger that people feel. but mr speaker, it is not enough to say sorry. this is a moment where we must look ourselves in the mirrorand moment where we must look ourselves in the mirror and we must learn. and while the metropolitan police must have completed their investigation and that means there are no details of specific events in the report, i, of specific events in the report, i, of course, except the general findings in full. and above all, or recommendation that we must learn from these events and act now. here�*s what the labour leader sir keir starmer said in response. rather than come clean, every step of the _ rather than come clean, every step of the way, — rather than come clean, every step of the way, he has insulted the publics— of the way, he has insulted the publics intelligence. and now, he is finally— publics intelligence. and now, he is finally falling back on his usual excuse — finally falling back on his usual excuse. it's everybody's fault but his. excuse. it's everybody's fault but his they— excuse. it's everybody's fault but his. they go, he states. even now, he is _ his. they go, he states. even now, he is hiding — his. they go, he states. even now, he is hiding behind a police investigation into criminalisty, into his — investigation into criminalisty, into his home his office. —— criminalisty. he gleefully treats which _ criminalisty. he gleefully treats which should be shamed as a welcome shieid~ _ which should be shamed as a welcome shield the _ which should be shamed as a welcome shield. the prime minister, the british— shield. the prime minister, the british public are not fools, they never _ british public are not fools, they never believed a word of it. they think— never believed a word of it. they think the — never believed a word of it. they think the prime minister should do the decent thing and resign. 0f the decent thing and resign. of course — the decent thing and resign. of course he _ the decent thing and resign. of course, he won't. because he is a man_ course, he won't. because he is a man without _ course, he won't. because he is a man without shame. injustice he has done throughout his life, he has damaged — done throughout his life, he has damaged everyone and everything around _ damaged everyone and everything around him along the way. let�*s speak to our political correspondent nick eardley, who�*s in parliament�*s central lobby. me along with many other people have been watching the debate in the commons, there�*s been a cute, there�*s been anger. i would use a borisjohnson did? i there's been anger. i would use a boris johnson did?— there's been anger. i would use a boris johnson did? i think the “my is out. we — boris johnson did? i think the “my is out. i've spoken i boris johnson did? i think the “my is out. i've spoken to i boris johnson did? i think the “my is out. i've spoken to quite h boris johnson did? i think the “my is out. i've spoken to quite a h boris johnson did? i think the jury is out. i've spoken to quite a fewl is out. i�*ve spoken to quite a few conservative mps who said that they don�*t think the prime minister performed the way he needed to in the commons. there were some conservative mps like theresa may and the former prime minister and the former cabinet minister both sticking the boots to borisjohnson and mr mitchell saying that the prime minister will no longer enjoy his support and there were a number of conservative mps who call in the prime minister to connect to publishing the full report somewhere down the line after the met office at its investigation. i want to show the reaction to what mark harper, the reaction to what mark harper, the senior backbencher mr harper, borisjohnson definitely did not give you the assurance you wanted. how would you rate his performance? this was a really important statement on whether those who make the law _ statement on whether those who make the law obey the law. it's pretty fundamental. and as i said to my question— fundamental. and as i said to my question of— fundamental. and as i said to my question of the prime minister, these _ question of the prime minister, these questions about his integrity, honesty— these questions about his integrity, honesty and his fitness for office. and he's— honesty and his fitness for office. and he's saying tojudge him on the full facts _ and he's saying tojudge him on the full facts. this is a big call for us to— full facts. this is a big call for us to make but we have to see the facts _ us to make but we have to see the facts sue — us to make but we have to see the facts. sue gray's update, not a report, — facts. sue gray's update, not a report, an _ facts. sue gray's update, not a report, an update, she made it clear in her_ report, an update, she made it clear in her own— report, an update, she made it clear in her own words that she cannot produce — in her own words that she cannot produce a — in her own words that she cannot produce a meaningful report to the metropolitan police until they have finished _ metropolitan police until they have finished investigations. iasked metropolitan police until they have finished investigations. i asked the prime _ finished investigations. i asked the prime minister if when the investigation is complete that they will publish the full findings straightaway in full. he failed to do that— straightaway in full. he failed to do that in— straightaway in full. he failed to do that in response to my question and the _ do that in response to my question and the response to many others. he suggested _ and the response to many others. he suggested that he would decide which bits suggested that he would decide which hits of— suggested that he would decide which bits of what would get published. he wants— bits of what would get published. he wants us— bits of what would get published. he wants us to wait for the full facts to he _ wants us to wait for the full facts to be available before we reach a conclusion, — to be available before we reach a conclusion, but he must reflect and publish _ conclusion, but he must reflect and publish the — conclusion, but he must reflect and publish the information otherwise will have — publish the information otherwise will have to see if we have to reach a judgment — will have to see if we have to reach a judgment on the facts that are available — a judgment on the facts that are available at the moment. that seems like an implicit _ available at the moment. that seems like an implicit threat _ available at the moment. that seems like an implicit threat of _ available at the moment. that seems like an implicit threat of boris - like an implicit threat of boris johnson does not commit to publishing the full findings from sue gray after the met investigation. you will call for him to go? i investigation. you will call for him to no? ., investigation. you will call for him to no? . , investigation. you will call for him toao? . , ., investigation. you will call for him to no? . , . ~' to go? i am prepared and i think it's important — to go? i am prepared and i think it's important that _ to go? i am prepared and i think it's important that you _ to go? i am prepared and i think it's important that you judge - to go? i am prepared and i think. it's important that you judge people on ail— it's important that you judge people on all of— it's important that you judge people on all of the facts and the evidence and he _ on all of the facts and the evidence and he has — on all of the facts and the evidence and he has previously committed to publishing _ and he has previously committed to publishing all of that information. he now— publishing all of that information. he now seems to be going back on that and _ he now seems to be going back on that and if— he now seems to be going back on that and if he wants us to wait for all the _ that and if he wants us to wait for all the facts to be available and judge _ all the facts to be available and judge him on all of those, and he needs— judge him on all of those, and he needs to — judge him on all of those, and he needs to say that that information is available. if he says no that's not going — is available. if he says no that's not going to be available and might not going to be available and might not he _ not going to be available and might not be forced to reach a conclusion on the _ not be forced to reach a conclusion on the information that is available today _ on the information that is available today i_ on the information that is available today. i don't think i would today. idon't think i would actually— today. i don't think i would actually be a good thing, they will be better— actually be a good thing, they will be better to get it all out there and that— be better to get it all out there and that is something for him to reflect— and that is something for him to reflect on— and that is something for him to reflect on the hours and days to come _ reflect on the hours and days to come. �* ., , reflect on the hours and days to come. �* . , ., reflect on the hours and days to come. 1, , ., ., ., , come. based on what we have seen, there's a lot — come. based on what we have seen, there's a lot of _ come. based on what we have seen, there's a lot of criticism _ come. based on what we have seen, there's a lot of criticism of _ come. based on what we have seen, there's a lot of criticism of the - there�*s a lot of criticism of the culture and number ten the leadership in number ten. do you think this evening that boris johnson�*s is tenable? i think this evening that boris johnson's is tenable?- think this evening that boris johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full _ johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full facts _ johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full facts but _ johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full facts but it _ johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full facts but it is - johnson's is tenable? i will wait to see the full facts but it is true - see the full facts but it is true that— see the full facts but it is true that despite the fact that sue gray has not _ that despite the fact that sue gray has not said that, even her initial findings. — has not said that, even her initial findings, they are pretty damning in the culture — findings, they are pretty damning in the culture of an organisation is set by— the culture of an organisation is set by and — the culture of an organisation is set by and the responsibility of the person— set by and the responsibility of the person that leads that organisation, i do person that leads that organisation, i do not _ person that leads that organisation, i do not really sure the prime minister— i do not really sure the prime minister set out proper acceptance for himself of his role in this. but i for himself of his role in this. but i want _ for himself of his role in this. but i want to— for himself of his role in this. but i want to wait for the full facts and i— i want to wait for the full facts and i hope he reflexively considers the answers that he gave us today. how do _ the answers that he gave us today. how do you — the answers that he gave us today. how do you feel about the fact that a dozen events that took place all the country was in a form of lockdown over the investigations of the police, including some which borisjohnson was at? eater the police, including some which boris johnson was at?— boris johnson was at? ever said ublicl boris johnson was at? ever said publicly that — boris johnson was at? ever said publicly that he _ boris johnson was at? ever said publicly that he himself - boris johnson was at? ever said publicly that he himself has - publicly that he himself has admitted being at an event which most _ admitted being at an event which most members of the public will conclude — most members of the public will conclude was a party and which was a breach— conclude was a party and which was a breach of— conclude was a party and which was a breach of the law. that is very serious — breach of the law. that is very serious. these are very serious matters — serious. these are very serious matters. , serious. these are very serious matters. ., , matters. some people are listening to that and struggle _ matters. some people are listening to that and struggle to _ matters. some people are listening to that and struggle to see - matters. some people are listening to that and struggle to see the - to that and struggle to see the prime minister can continue. it is to that and struggle to see the prime minister can continue. it is a bi deal prime minister can continue. it is a big deal to — prime minister can continue. it is a big deal to change _ prime minister can continue. it is a big deal to change the _ prime minister can continue. it is a big deal to change the prime - big deal to change the prime minister— big deal to change the prime minister and big deal to change the prime ministerand i want big deal to change the prime minister and i want to make sure that whatever decisions made are informed — that whatever decisions made are informed by all of the facts whether we judge _ informed by all of the facts whether we judge them accordingly. i think that is— we judge them accordingly. i think that is a _ we judge them accordingly. i think that is a fair thing to do if you have — that is a fair thing to do if you have established through the information available, there is a police _ information available, there is a police investigation which is pretty appalling — police investigation which is pretty appalling into what seems to be serial— appalling into what seems to be serial poorjudgment and rule breaking _ serial poorjudgment and rule breaking down the street. 0ne serial poorjudgment and rule breaking down the street. one of the worst— breaking down the street. one of the worst things was two parties that disrespected her majesty the queen before _ disrespected her majesty the queen before she laid her husband to rest. and i_ before she laid her husband to rest. and i want— before she laid her husband to rest. and i want to see the full catalogue of things— and i want to see the full catalogue of things before reach a decision and i_ of things before reach a decision and i hope — of things before reach a decision and i hope the prime minister commits— and i hope the prime minister commits to publishing the information to give us the chance to do it. _ information to give us the chance to do it, otherwise will have to take a decision earlier than we would like to. ~ ., ., , ., decision earlier than we would like to. ., ., , decision earlier than we would like to. ~ ., ., , to. what would you consider the mood ofthe to. what would you consider the mood of the conservative _ to. what would you consider the mood of the conservative party? _ to. what would you consider the mood of the conservative party? with - to. what would you consider the mood of the conservative party? with a - of the conservative party? with a give the prime minister more time? collects left different views and adding — collects left different views and adding lots of colleagues listen carefully to the answers, not many mps stood — carefully to the answers, not many mps stood up to ask questions and those _ mps stood up to ask questions and those who— mps stood up to ask questions and those who did were pretty critical, so i those who did were pretty critical, so i think— those who did were pretty critical, so i think the prime minister is on notice _ so i think the prime minister is on notice that— so i think the prime minister is on notice that people want to see the full facts _ notice that people want to see the full facts of what took place in 10 downing — full facts of what took place in 10 downing street under his leadership during _ downing street under his leadership during the _ downing street under his leadership during the pandemic to see whether he did _ during the pandemic to see whether he did what they expected them to do. he did what they expected them to do and _ he did what they expected them to do and i_ he did what they expected them to do. and i will wait to see the information when it is published and i information when it is published and i hope _ information when it is published and i hope we _ information when it is published and i hope we consider his answer. thank ou ve i hope we consider his answer. thank you very much _ i hope we consider his answer. thank you very much for — i hope we consider his answer. thank you very much for speaking _ i hope we consider his answer. thank you very much for speaking to - i hope we consider his answer. thank you very much for speaking to us. - you very much for speaking to us. really interesting that he used the term on notice for the prime minister to change his mind because speaking to borisjohnson its allies over the last few days, they had felt that they turned a corner and at the prime minister was a stronger position after some of the events which have taken place in the last few weeks of parliament and let�*s chat with another mp, a cabinet minister, thank you for coming up to speaking to us. how do you feel about the fact that a party in the prime minister�*s flight has been reflected by the police —— inspected. bill reflected by the police -- impeded-— reflected by the police -- insected. �* ., ,, , , inspected. all of the issues, they have been _ inspected. all of the issues, they have been referred _ inspected. all of the issues, they have been referred to _ inspected. all of the issues, they have been referred to the - inspected. all of the issues, they have been referred to the policel have been referred to the police were _ have been referred to the police were looking _ have been referred to the police were looking at _ have been referred to the police were looking at this _ have been referred to the police were looking at this and - have been referred to the police were looking at this and all- have been referred to the police were looking at this and all i- have been referred to the police| were looking at this and all i will say is _ were looking at this and all i will say is of— were looking at this and all i will say is of the _ were looking at this and all i will say is of the prime _ were looking at this and all i will say is of the prime minister- were looking at this and all i will say is of the prime minister hasl say is of the prime minister has given his — say is of the prime minister has given his apology. _ say is of the prime minister has given his apology, he _ say is of the prime minister has given his apology, he is- say is of the prime minister has given his apology, he is now. say is of the prime minister hasi given his apology, he is now left the report— given his apology, he is now left the report to _ given his apology, he is now left the report to the _ given his apology, he is now left the report to the met _ given his apology, he is now left the report to the met we - given his apology, he is now left the report to the met we went . given his apology, he is now left| the report to the met we went to given his apology, he is now left - the report to the met we went to see what their— the report to the met we went to see what their findings— the report to the met we went to see what their findings are. _ the report to the met we went to see what their findings are. we _ the report to the met we went to see what their findings are.— what their findings are. we also heard from _ what their findings are. we also heard from tobias, _ what their findings are. we also heard from tobias, another- what their findings are. we also i heard from tobias, another senior tory backbencher saying that if the prime minister doesn�*t commit to publishing sue gray�*s report in full, once the med have finished their investigation, he thinks the prime minister left to go.- prime minister left to go. you're talkin: to prime minister left to go. you're talking to the — prime minister left to go. you're talking to the same _ prime minister left to go. you're talking to the same people - prime minister left to go. you're talking to the same people have | prime minister left to go. you're - talking to the same people have been asking _ talking to the same people have been asking for— talking to the same people have been asking for the — talking to the same people have been asking for the prime _ talking to the same people have been asking for the prime minister- talking to the same people have been asking for the prime minister to- talking to the same people have been asking for the prime minister to go. asking for the prime minister to go virtually— asking for the prime minister to go virtually before _ asking for the prime minister to go virtually before he _ asking for the prime minister to go virtually before he was _ asking for the prime minister to go virtually before he was even - asking for the prime minister to goi virtually before he was even elected as leader— virtually before he was even elected as leader of— virtually before he was even elected as leader of the _ virtually before he was even elected as leader of the party _ virtually before he was even elected as leader of the party and _ virtually before he was even elected as leader of the party and became l as leader of the party and became prime _ as leader of the party and became prime minister, _ as leader of the party and became prime minister, you're _ as leader of the party and became prime minister, you're talking - as leader of the party and became prime minister, you're talking to. prime minister, you're talking to the same — prime minister, you're talking to the same people _ prime minister, you're talking to the same people who _ prime minister, you're talking to the same people who have - prime minister, you're talking to the same people who have been| prime minister, you're talking to- the same people who have been saying the same people who have been saying the same _ the same people who have been saying the same things— the same people who have been saying the same things for— the same people who have been saying the same things for two _ the same people who have been saying the same things for two years - the same things for two years regardless _ the same things for two years regardless of— the same things for two years regardless of the _ the same things for two years regardless of the issue. - the same things for two years regardless of the issue. all. the same things for two years regardless of the issue. all i. the same things for two years - regardless of the issue. all i would say is _ regardless of the issue. all i would say is that— regardless of the issue. all i would say is that the _ regardless of the issue. all i would say is that the prime _ regardless of the issue. all i would say is that the prime minister- regardless of the issue. all i would say is that the prime minister as l say is that the prime minister as published — say is that the prime minister as published what _ say is that the prime minister as published what he _ say is that the prime minister as published what he has, - say is that the prime minister as published what he has, since - say is that the prime minister as published what he has, since he| say is that the prime minister as - published what he has, since he got it, published what he has, since he got it. he _ published what he has, since he got it. he was— published what he has, since he got it. he was put— published what he has, since he got it. he was put to _ published what he has, since he got it, he was put to the _ published what he has, since he got it, he was put to the box _ published what he has, since he got it, he was put to the box and - published what he has, since he got it, he was put to the box and it's- it, he was put to the box and it's been published _ it, he was put to the box and it's been published and _ it, he was put to the box and it's been published and i— it, he was put to the box and it's been published and i would - it, he was put to the box and it's. been published and i would imagine as he _ been published and i would imagine as he is— been published and i would imagine as he is given— been published and i would imagine as he is given more _ been published and i would imagine as he is given more information, . been published and i would imagine as he is given more information, hej as he is given more information, he will come _ as he is given more information, he will come to— as he is given more information, he will come to the _ as he is given more information, he will come to the dispatch _ as he is given more information, he will come to the dispatch box. - as he is given more information, he will come to the dispatch box. d, i as he is given more information, he will come to the dispatch box. d, isj will come to the dispatch box. d, is that our will come to the dispatch box. d, is that your assessment _ will come to the dispatch box. d, is that your assessment for _ will come to the dispatch box. d, is that your assessment for this - that your assessment for this criticising the prime minister this afternoon are people who have never liked him? the afternoon are people who have never liked him? , ., , ., liked him? the people are criticising _ liked him? the people are criticising this _ liked him? the people are criticising this afternoon i criticising this afternoon particularly _ criticising this afternoon particularly in _ criticising this afternoon particularly in the - criticising this afternoon i particularly in the chamber criticising this afternoon - particularly in the chamber of criticising this afternoon _ particularly in the chamber of those were criticising _ particularly in the chamber of those were criticising him _ particularly in the chamber of those were criticising him before - particularly in the chamber of those were criticising him before he - particularly in the chamber of those were criticising him before he was. were criticising him before he was leader— were criticising him before he was leader of— were criticising him before he was leader of the _ were criticising him before he was leader of the party. _ were criticising him before he was leader of the party. there - leader of the party. there criticising _ leader of the party. there criticising him _ leader of the party. there criticising him before - leader of the party. there criticising him before he i leader of the party. there i criticising him before he was elected _ criticising him before he was elected as— criticising him before he was elected as prime _ criticising him before he was elected as prime minister. criticising him before he was - elected as prime minister debbie criticising — elected as prime minister debbie criticising him _ elected as prime minister debbie criticising him ever— elected as prime minister debbie criticising him ever since. - elected as prime minister debbie criticising him ever since. to - criticising him ever since. to answer— criticising him ever since. to answer your— criticising him ever since. to answer your question, - criticising him ever since. to answer your question, yes. | criticising him ever since. to i answer your question, yes. sue gra 's answer your question, yes. sue gray's report- _ answer your question, yes. sue gray's report. the _ answer your question, yes. gray's report. the fact that answer your question, yes.“ gray's report. the fact that there gray�*s report. the fact that there is a problem with leadership number ten in the cabinet office that led to these gatherings taking place? screened the leadership is not necessarily always the prime minister is leadership but he has taken responsibility for everything that happened a number ten. sue gray is with some really good recommendations of the prime minister has committed to, follow through and implemented immediately without waiting for the met investigation or further details of the report. investigation or further details of the re ort. ., , investigation or further details of the reort. ., , ., investigation or further details of the reort. . , . , investigation or further details of the report-— investigation or further details of the reort. . , ., , ., ., the report. that is what is going to do, the report. that is what is going to do. implement— the report. that is what is going to do, implement the _ the report. that is what is going to l do, implement the representations. talking _ do, implement the representations. talking about — do, implement the representations. talking about civil— do, implement the representations. talking about civil servants, - do, implement the representations. talking about civil servants, is - talking about civil servants, is that enough? to we really need to be looking at the whole culture that borisjohnson presides over a number ten? it boris johnson presides over a number ten? ., ., . , ten? it if not enough which is where he talks about _ ten? it if not enough which is where he talks about more _ ten? it if not enough which is where he talks about more than _ ten? it if not enough which is where he talks about more than that, - he talks about more than that, reviewing _ he talks about more than that, reviewing the _ he talks about more than that, reviewing the code _ he talks about more than that, reviewing the code for- he talks about more than that, reviewing the code for civil - reviewing the code for civil servants _ reviewing the code for civil servants and _ reviewing the code for civil servants and also - reviewing the code for civil. servants and also establishing reviewing the code for civil - servants and also establishing an office _ servants and also establishing an office for— servants and also establishing an office for the _ servants and also establishing an office for the prime _ servants and also establishing an office for the prime minister- servants and also establishing an office for the prime minister andl office for the prime minister and also about— office for the prime minister and also about establishing - office for the prime minister and also about establishing a - office for the prime minister and - also about establishing a permanent secretary _ also about establishing a permanent secreta . ~ ., ., , also about establishing a permanent secreta .~ ., ., , ., ., ~ secretary. what does that mean? a lot of people _ secretary. what does that mean? a lot of people do _ secretary. what does that mean? a lot of people do not _ secretary. what does that mean? a lot of people do not know— secretary. what does that mean? a lot of people do not know where . lot of people do not know where that will actually achieve. the lot of people do not know where that will actually achieve.— will actually achieve. the prime minister goes _ will actually achieve. the prime minister goes from _ will actually achieve. the prime | minister goes from appointment will actually achieve. the prime . minister goes from appointment to appointment— minister goes from appointment to appointment throughout _ minister goes from appointment to appointment throughout the - minister goes from appointment to appointment throughout the day. l minister goes from appointment to - appointment throughout the day. what he needs— appointment throughout the day. what he needs is— appointment throughout the day. what he needs is a _ appointment throughout the day. what he needs is a permanent _ appointment throughout the day. what he needs is a permanent secretary- he needs is a permanent secretary who is— he needs is a permanent secretary who is responsible _ he needs is a permanent secretary who is responsible for— he needs is a permanent secretary who is responsible for this- he needs is a permanent secretary who is responsible for this number ten and _ who is responsible for this number ten and the — who is responsible for this number ten and the reports _ who is responsible for this number ten and the reports to _ who is responsible for this number ten and the reports to a _ who is responsible for this numberl ten and the reports to a permanent secretary _ ten and the reports to a permanent secretary as — ten and the reports to a permanent secretary as they _ ten and the reports to a permanent secretary as they do _ ten and the reports to a permanent secretary as they do in _ ten and the reports to a permanent i secretary as they do in departments, that's— secretary as they do in departments, that's what— secretary as they do in departments, that's what we — secretary as they do in departments, that's what we need _ secretary as they do in departments, that's what we need to _ secretary as they do in departments, that's what we need to number - secretary as they do in departments, that's what we need to number ten, i that's what we need to number ten, someone _ that's what we need to number ten, someone was — that's what we need to number ten, someone was responsible _ that's what we need to number ten, someone was responsible for- that's what we need to number ten, someone was responsible for the i someone was responsible for the civil servants _ someone was responsible for the civil servants because _ someone was responsible for the civil servants because as - someone was responsible for the civil servants because as the - someone was responsible for the l civil servants because as the prime minister— civil servants because as the prime minister said. _ civil servants because as the prime minister said, during _ civil servants because as the prime minister said, during covid—19, - minister said, during covid—19, therefore — minister said, during covid—19, therefore two _ minister said, during covid—19, therefore two people _ minister said, during covid—19, therefore two people working i minister said, during covid—19,| therefore two people working in minister said, during covid—19, - therefore two people working in that building _ therefore two people working in that building and — therefore two people working in that building and it— therefore two people working in that building and it is _ therefore two people working in that building and it is not _ therefore two people working in that building and it is not possible - therefore two people working in that building and it is not possible for- building and it is not possible for prime _ building and it is not possible for prime minister— building and it is not possible for prime minister who— building and it is not possible for prime minister who was - building and it is not possible for prime minister who was leading i building and it is not possible for. prime minister who was leading the attack— prime minister who was leading the attack on _ prime minister who was leading the attack on covid—19,_ prime minister who was leading the attack on covid—19, who _ prime minister who was leading the attack on covid—19, who was - prime minister who was leading the attack on covid—19, who was at - prime minister who was leading the attack on covid—19, who was at thei attack on covid—19, who was at the front— attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind — attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind day— attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind day and _ attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind day and night _ attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind day and night to - attack on covid—19, who was at the front mind day and night to be - front mind day and night to be responsible _ front mind day and night to be responsible for— front mind day and night to be responsible for 400 _ front mind day and night to bei responsible for 400 individuals working — responsible for 400 individuals working within _ responsible for 400 individuals working within offices - responsible for 400 individuals working within offices in - responsible for 400 individuals working within offices in that. working within offices in that building _ working within offices in that building so. _ working within offices in that building. so, permanent- working within offices in that - building. so, permanent secretary will provide — building. so, permanent secretary will provide a _ building. so, permanent secretary will provide a structured _ building. so, permanent secretaryj will provide a structured command building. so, permanent secretary. will provide a structured command to those _ will provide a structured command to those people — will provide a structured command to those people working _ will provide a structured command to those people working in _ will provide a structured command to those people working in a _ will provide a structured command to those people working in a number. will provide a structured command toi those people working in a number ten and i those people working in a number ten and i think— those people working in a number ten and i think that — those people working in a number ten and i think that is _ those people working in a number ten and i think that is a _ those people working in a number ten and i think that is a really— and i think that is a really excellent _ and i think that is a really. excellent recommendation. and i think that is a really- excellent recommendation. for and i think that is a really— excellent recommendation. for civil servants _ excellent recommendation. for civil servants and — excellent recommendation. for civil servants and establishing _ excellent recommendation. for civil servants and establishing an - excellent recommendation. for civil servants and establishing an office i servants and establishing an office for the _ servants and establishing an office for the prime _ servants and establishing an office for the prime minister— servants and establishing an office for the prime minister so - servants and establishing an office for the prime minister so that - servants and establishing an office for the prime minister so that thel for the prime minister so that the prime minister— for the prime minister so that the prime minister has _ for the prime minister so that the prime minister has the _ for the prime minister so that the prime minister has the support. i for the prime minister so that the i prime minister has the support. you have been a — prime minister has the support. have been a vocal ally of the prime minister where he was in the last couple of weeks. this borisjohnson think he has done anything wrong or just that he was let down by people around him? i just that he was let down by people around him?— around him? i have been an ally of boris johnson _ around him? i have been an ally of boris johnson for _ around him? i have been an ally of boris johnson for about _ around him? i have been an ally of boris johnson for about 12 - around him? i have been an ally of boris johnson for about 12 years. l boris johnson for about 12 years. does _ boris johnson for about 12 years. does he — boris johnson for about 12 years. does he think— boris johnson for about 12 years. does he think he _ boris johnson for about 12 years. does he think he has— boris johnson for about 12 years. does he think he has done - boris johnson for about 12 years. i does he think he has done anything wrong or was hejust does he think he has done anything wrong or was he just let does he think he has done anything wrong or was hejust let down by people around him? i wrong or was he just let down by people around him?— wrong or was he just let down by people around him? i think the prime minister is excepted _ people around him? i think the prime minister is excepted fully _ people around him? i think the prime minister is excepted fully his - people around him? i think the prime minister is excepted fully his role - minister is excepted fully his role as prime — minister is excepted fully his role as prime minister— minister is excepted fully his role as prime minister and _ minister is excepted fully his role as prime minister and his - minister is excepted fully his role as prime minister and his leaderl minister is excepted fully his role i as prime minister and his leader and ekpert— as prime minister and his leader and expert accepted _ as prime minister and his leader and expert accepted responsibility - as prime minister and his leader and expert accepted responsibility has i expert accepted responsibility has come _ expert accepted responsibility has come to— expert accepted responsibility has come to this — expert accepted responsibility has come to this dispatch _ expert accepted responsibility has come to this dispatch box - expert accepted responsibility has come to this dispatch box today . expert accepted responsibility has l come to this dispatch box today and he has _ come to this dispatch box today and he has apologised _ come to this dispatch box today and he has apologised stubb _ come to this dispatch box today and he has apologised stubb jealous - come to this dispatch box today and he has apologised stubbjealous of. he has apologised stubbjealous of the events— he has apologised stubbjealous of the events that _ he has apologised stubbjealous of the events that took _ he has apologised stubbjealous of the events that took place - he has apologised stubbjealous of the events that took place in - he has apologised stubbjealous of. the events that took place in number ten, ., , the events that took place in number ten, . , ~ , ., ten, has the prime minister done enou:h ten, has the prime minister done enough accepting _ ten, has the prime minister done enough accepting that? - enough accepting that? recommendation and the finding of the report— recommendation and the finding of the report today, _ recommendation and the finding of the report today, but _ recommendation and the finding of the report today, but we _ recommendation and the finding of the report today, but we need - recommendation and the finding of the report today, but we need to i recommendation and the finding ofj the report today, but we need to do now is— the report today, but we need to do now is to _ the report today, but we need to do now is to he — the report today, but we need to do now is to he has _ the report today, but we need to do now is to he has found _ the report today, but we need to do now is to he has found that - the report today, but we need to do now is to he has found that some i the report today, but we need to do now is to he has found that some of those _ now is to he has found that some of those claims — now is to he has found that some of those claims met— now is to he has found that some of those claims met the _ now is to he has found that some of those claims met the threshold i now is to he has found that some of those claims met the threshold fori those claims met the threshold for investigation, _ those claims met the threshold for investigation, not _ those claims met the threshold for investigation, not that _ those claims met the threshold for investigation, not that anyone i those claims met the threshold for investigation, not that anyone is l investigation, not that anyone is guilty— investigation, not that anyone is guilty or— investigation, not that anyone is guilty or may _ investigation, not that anyone is guilty or may be _ investigation, not that anyone is guilty or may be found _ investigation, not that anyone is guilty or may be found to - investigation, not that anyone is guilty or may be found to be i investigation, not that anyone is . guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result — guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result of— guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result of that. _ guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result of that. but _ guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result of that. but he - guilty or may be found to be guilty as a result of that. but he has i as a result of that. but he has accepted _ as a result of that. but he has accepted the _ as a result of that. but he has accepted the fact _ as a result of that. but he has accepted the fact that - as a result of that. but he has i accepted the fact that that needs as a result of that. but he has - accepted the fact that that needs to happen— accepted the fact that that needs to happen and — accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i— accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i think— accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i think he's _ accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i think he's made - accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i think he's made a i accepted the fact that that needs to happen and i think he's made a full| happen and i think he's made a full apology today~ _ happen and i think he's made a full apology today-— happen and i think he's made a full apology today. what do you think it means for the _ apology today. what do you think it means for the future _ apology today. what do you think it means for the future if _ apology today. what do you think it means for the future if he - apology today. what do you think it means for the future if he is - means for the future if he is interviewed by the police? i means for the future if he is interviewed by the police? i don't want to comment _ interviewed by the police? i don't want to comment on _ interviewed by the police? i don't want to comment on what - interviewed by the police? i don't want to comment on what that i want to comment on what that means because _ want to comment on what that means because i_ want to comment on what that means because i don't— want to comment on what that means because i don't know— want to comment on what that means because i don't know if— want to comment on what that means because i don't know if that's- want to comment on what that means because i don't know if that's going i because i don't know if that's going to happen — because i don't know if that's going to happen on — because i don't know if that's going to happen on what _ because i don't know if that's going to happen on what the _ because i don't know if that's going to happen on what the med - because i don't know if that's going to happen on what the med are i because i don't know if that's going . to happen on what the med are going to happen on what the med are going to be doing _ to happen on what the med are going to be doing is — to happen on what the med are going to be doing is part— to happen on what the med are going to be doing is part of the _ to be doing is part of the investigation. _ to be doing is part of the investigation. it- to be doing is part of the investigation. it is- to be doing is part of the i investigation. it is important to be doing is part of the - investigation. it is important to say that— investigation. it is important to say that the _ investigation. it is important to say that the sue _ investigation. it is important to say that the sue gray _ investigation. it is important to say that the sue gray report i say that the sue gray report concluded _ say that the sue gray report concluded that— say that the sue gray report concluded that no _ say that the sue gray report i concluded that no conclusions say that the sue gray report - concluded that no conclusions should be taken _ concluded that no conclusions should be taken from — concluded that no conclusions should be taken from anything _ concluded that no conclusions should be taken from anything in _ concluded that no conclusions should be taken from anything in the - be taken from anything in the report — be taken from anything in the report. some— be taken from anything in the report. some of— be taken from anything in the report. some of what - be taken from anything in the report. some of what she i be taken from anything in the report. some of what she has be taken from anything in the - report. some of what she has raised the investigation, _ report. some of what she has raised the investigation, it— report. some of what she has raised the investigation, it is— report. some of what she has raised the investigation,— the investigation, it is a serious thin for the investigation, it is a serious thing for number _ the investigation, it is a serious thing for number ten _ the investigation, it is a serious thing for number ten to - the investigation, it is a serious thing for number ten to be i thing for number ten to be investigated by the police. as happened with many but he was found to have done nothing wrong. my question is, are you worried about what impact this may have on the party or british democracy that so many different events happened in number 10 downing street in the most famous address is being investigated by the police? the famous address is being investigated by the police?— by the police? the most important thins by the police? the most important thin . s that by the police? the most important things that we _ by the police? the most important things that we came _ by the police? the most important things that we came through i by the police? the most important i things that we came through covid-19 things that we came through covid—19 with the _ things that we came through covid—19 with the fastest _ things that we came through covid—19 with the fastest growing _ things that we came through covid—19 with the fastest growing economy i with the fastest growing economy vexing _ with the fastest growing economy vexing roll-out— with the fastest growing economy vexing roll—out and _ with the fastest growing economy vexing roll—out and we've - with the fastest growing economy vexing roll—out and we've got i with the fastest growing economy i vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more _ vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people _ vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people and _ vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people and work. _ vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people and work. i— vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people and work. i think- vexing roll—out and we've got 20,000 more people and work. i think what i more people and work. i think what people _ more people and work. i think what people are — more people and work. i think what people are really _ more people and work. i think what people are really concerned - more people and work. i think what people are really concerned about i more people and work. i think whatl people are really concerned about is what happens — people are really concerned about is what happens in _ people are really concerned about is what happens in their— people are really concerned about is what happens in their homes. - people are really concerned about is what happens in their homes. theyl what happens in their homes. they are concerned _ what happens in their homes. they are concerned about _ what happens in their homes. they are concerned aboutjobs, - what happens in their homes. they are concerned aboutjobs, makingl are concerned aboutjobs, making sure that — are concerned aboutjobs, making sure that people _ are concerned aboutjobs, making sure that people get— are concerned aboutjobs, making sure that people get vaccinated i are concerned aboutjobs, making . sure that people get vaccinated that we have _ sure that people get vaccinated that we have won — sure that people get vaccinated that we have won the _ sure that people get vaccinated that we have won the war— sure that people get vaccinated that we have won the war on _ sure that people get vaccinated that we have won the war on covid—19 i sure that people get vaccinated that we have won the war on covid—19in| we have won the war on covid—19 in this country — we have won the war on covid—19 in this country. that _ we have won the war on covid—19 in this country. that is— we have won the war on covid—19 in this country. that is what _ we have won the war on covid—19 in this country. that is what people i this country. that is what people see and — this country. that is what people see and that's _ this country. that is what people see and that's what _ this country. that is what people see and that's what people - this country. that is what people see and that's what people the l this country. that is what people i see and that's what people the prime minister— see and that's what people the prime minister delivered _ see and that's what people the prime minister delivered on— see and that's what people the prime minister delivered on this _ see and that's what people the prime minister delivered on this very- minister delivered on this very important _ minister delivered on this very important things— minister delivered on this very important things in _ minister delivered on this very important things in right - minister delivered on this very important things in right now, | minister delivered on this very. important things in right now, we have _ important things in right now, we have russian— important things in right now, we have russian troops _ important things in right now, we have russian troops literally i have russian troops literally camping _ have russian troops literally camping on _ have russian troops literally camping on the _ have russian troops literally camping on the borders i have russian troops literally camping on the borders of. have russian troops literally i camping on the borders of the ukraine — camping on the borders of the ukraine i_ camping on the borders of the ukraine. i want _ camping on the borders of the ukraine. i want the _ camping on the borders of the ukraine. i want the prime i camping on the borders of the i ukraine. i want the prime minister to get— ukraine. i want the prime minister to get on— ukraine. i want the prime minister to get on with _ ukraine. i want the prime minister to get on with this _ ukraine. i want the prime minister to get on with this very _ ukraine. i want the prime minister to get on with this very importantl to get on with this very important issues _ to get on with this very important issues not — to get on with this very important issues not constantly— to get on with this very important issues not constantly talking i to get on with this very importantl issues not constantly talking about taking _ issues not constantly talking about taking number— issues not constantly talking about taking number ten. _ issues not constantly talking about taking numberten. so, _ issues not constantly talking about taking number ten.— issues not constantly talking about taking number ten. so, this couple of interpretations _ taking number ten. so, this couple of interpretations of _ taking number ten. so, this couple of interpretations of the _ taking number ten. so, this couple of interpretations of the prime i of interpretations of the prime minister�*s statement. some think it�*s time to move on and that the med to theirjob, but is also conservative mps were saying that they are not happy with boris johnson�*s answers and they don�*t think he performed his will as they hopedin think he performed his will as they hoped in that statement. he is addressing his mps about an hour�*s time in parliament and will be trying to find out what happens in that meeting as well. but it doesn�*t feel to me that borisjohnson is out of the woods, it feels like the pressure is very much still there. will be investigating eight of the 12 dates from the cabinet office as part of their own investigation and to alleged gatherings during covid—19 restrictions. let�*s speak to giles kenningham, david cameron�*s former head of political press. by by what you think of the criticisms from sue gray?— from sue gray? this is a perfect storm for _ from sue gray? this is a perfect storm for labour— from sue gray? this is a perfect storm for labour because - from sue gray? this is a perfect storm for labour because he i from sue gray? this is a perfect i storm for labour because he remains under a cloud with the police investigation on top of him, and the tory mps will be wondering how much damage this will be doing to the tory party versus borisjohnson. tory party versus boris johnson. there was some polling from the, if you remove borisjohnson, all the damage, the stigma... it is incredibly problematic to some extent, story continues to go on. the domestic agenda which the government should be rolling out. i�*m going to pause because we can hear most of what you�*re saying and then the call freezes, will try to sort that out and i do apologise. we�*ll come back to you. i think we can talk to kate. joining me now is kate maltby who is a political columnist at the i paper what you think of the criticism from sue gray? what you think of the criticism from sue gra ? ~ ., , ., .,, sue gray? where to start, it was fascinating _ sue gray? where to start, it was fascinating to — sue gray? where to start, it was fascinating to hear _ sue gray? where to start, it was fascinating to hear them - sue gray? where to start, it was fascinating to hear them come i fascinating to hear them come straight out of there with the standard defensive line about boris at the moment, which is going to be, the most preposterous line but it�*s can be strongly pushed is the idea that failures of leadership when sucre talks about this, document the civil servants, sucre talks about this, document the civilservants, people sucre talks about this, document the civil servants, people like martin reynolds, the private secretary, rather than the leader we elected into downing street, borisjohnson. i don�*t think that kind of thing is going to fly and i think sue is someone who chooses her words very carefully and the rest of us are intelligent enough to understand what she means and has particularly struck, something i�*m reading over the report here that i don�*t think that many people yet talked about on your show, very far towards the end of the report, sue gray talks about the difficulty in the structures of downing street and it�*s a bit complicated, boris is seized on the sink is going to reform them in one of the things is too much responsibility and expectations are placed on the senior officials whose principal function placed on the senior officials whose principalfunction is placed on the senior officials whose principal function is the direct support of the prime minister. talking about martin reynolds and the secretary, document the civil servants whose principal function the secretary, document the civil servants whose principalfunction is what the prime minister. and to answer doris, us was just listening to her. when document failures of leadership in the report, she tries to take that phrase away from its associations with the prime minister and painted on the senior civil servants whose function is to support the prime minister. but i think sue gray is saying is too much pressure is being placed on the civil servants. she is already set the civil servants early in the very difficult position and that there is actually a clear way for the civil servants can manage the responsibilities between the prime minister and their duty to the service. i don�*t think it�*s going to standard all. service. i don't think it's going to standard all.— standard all. after the prime minister made _ standard all. after the prime minister made their- standard all. after the prime i minister made their statement, number of mps asked him about the gathering and the downing street flat on the 13th of november 2020 which is the day that is top aide dominic cummings left downing street. he reminded him that the house of commons in 2021 when he was askedif house of commons in 2021 when he was asked if there is a party there. he said, no. 0ne no significant and negative report today. i said, no. one no significant and negative report today.— said, no. one no significant and negative report today. i think it's very significant — negative report today. i think it's very significant and _ negative report today. i think it's very significant and certain i negative report today. i think it's very significant and certain mpsl very significant and certain mps wanted to get the prime minister on the record and the fact that he is not willing to give a clear answer and as they pointed out, he doesn't need the police to tell them whether she was in the flat or not, he should know himself. clearly, someone is trying to trap him about what he does and doesn't say in parliament and as many of your listeners will understand and have discussed in the last few weeks. where the ways to this from the prime minister. in downing street, relate to say, borisjohnson will relate to say, boris johnson will ask sue gray — relate to say, boris johnson will ask sue gray to _ relate to say, boris johnson will ask sue gray to consider this and the investigation in whitehall. just a number ten. the investigation in whitehall. just a numberten. he said it the investigation in whitehall. just a number ten. he said it was significant, it could be significant and they want to get your assessment about the strength or otherwise of the prime minister's disposition, how would you assess it? the most damauuin how would you assess it? the most damaging thing _ how would you assess it? the most damaging thing was _ how would you assess it? the most damaging thing was his _ how would you assess it? the most damaging thing was his comments | damaging thing was his comments performance. we got the report out, people are speaking to mps and lots of other colleagues, their humming and hollering about continuing to aid metropolitan police because although i think sue gray sees the failures, that delay, the metropolitan police delaying everything has taken the momentum out of this. but i actually think boris johnson's out of this. but i actually think borisjohnson's biggest problem is that he forged and he was asked about the 13th, keir starmer gave one of his best comments performance as of ever seen. there is a clear contrast in the soberness of the stone and the joviality is too strong a word but, i think what really struck me when boris was speaking there when the prime minister was speaking, was the way in which he insisted that he wasn't going to give a running commentary on events. those were his words. running commentary. he said he was above this sort of thing and thus the attitude you try to give a kept refusing to give more detail, sink the metropolitan police had to look into the matter. but what he really reminded me of was that day, back in may 2020 when dominic castle who was according to borisjohnson the noble man, gave his report and it's fascinating to see borisjohnson's team now trying to tell if the dominic cummings is someone who was completely untrustworthy because back then, they were still going to bat for him when he made the trip to the castle. he gave his speech and she, he said he give a complete explanation for what seemed to be a lockdown breaking trip in the boris johnson came to the press conference that had to happen and said rate, we've all been given explanation, not clewiston were time on this command more serious things to talk about and like he is taking the kyiv ukraine and he said it's beneath his dignity to keep talking about a subject that was closed and as we all know, the story of dominic, he couldn't shut that down and he was able to shut the stone either. —— and he wasn't able to shut this down either. the truth is, they're bold in court in terms of borisjohnson's future. he says he thinks the prime minister needs to commit to publishing the full findings of sue gray after they met have finished their investigation and want to speak to another mp who will kindly speak to us. the formerjustice secretary. can i ask question as a lawyer, how serious is that the 12 events, many of them at downing street are being investigated by police? i of them at downing street are being investigated by police?— investigated by police? i don't think today — investigated by police? i don't think today for _ investigated by police? i don't think today for the _ investigated by police? i don't| think today for the seriousness investigated by police? i don't - think today for the seriousness that we already— think today for the seriousness that we already knew about, today was not a resolution_ we already knew about, today was not a resolution of the issue, it was never_ a resolution of the issue, it was never going to be, particularly when the metropolitan police made their announcement last week. but i think it's really— announcement last week. but i think it's really important now is something you want the prime minister— something you want the prime minister to save her he said sorry and words — minister to save her he said sorry and words aren't enough. it is states— and words aren't enough. it is states that really matter now and i think_ states that really matter now and i think two _ states that really matter now and i think two things are very important. one, _ think two things are very important. one. a _ think two things are very important. one, a change and reform of the culture _ one, a change and reform of the culture and — one, a change and reform of the culture and organisation of number ten which _ culture and organisation of number ten which he has said he would do. we need _ ten which he has said he would do. we need more. and secondly, ithink is sense _ we need more. and secondly, ithink is sense that — we need more. and secondly, ithink is sense that as this investigation comes_ is sense that as this investigation comes to — is sense that as this investigation comes to a — is sense that as this investigation comes to a conclusion, there is a sense _ comes to a conclusion, there is a sense of— comes to a conclusion, there is a sense of full_ comes to a conclusion, there is a sense of full and frank and open cooperation and disclosure. which means_ cooperation and disclosure. which means not— cooperation and disclosure. which means notjust cooperation and disclosure. which means not just cooperation with police _ means not just cooperation with police but — means not just cooperation with police but an acknowledgement that they will _ police but an acknowledgement that they will have to abide by whatever they will have to abide by whatever the consequences the police action might— the consequences the police action might be _ the consequences the police action might be and yes, i think pet product — might be and yes, i think pet product of sue gray's inquiries, we do not _ product of sue gray's inquiries, we do not yet — product of sue gray's inquiries, we do not yet know if she has completed a full report. at that product is shared — a full report. at that product is shared with the public on a wider basis _ shared with the public on a wider basis when it's available. sue great talks about a failure of leadership and down during street. borisjohnson is ultimately responsible for that is a ni? boris johnson is ultimately responsible for that is a ni? yes, and i think— responsible for that is a ni? yes, and i think the _ responsible for that is a ni? yes, and i think the report _ responsible for that is a ni? yes, and i think the report has - responsible for that is a ni? yes, and i think the report has not pooled its— and i think the report has not pooled its punches. particularly at the end _ pooled its punches. particularly at the end of— pooled its punches. particularly at the end of the report about how this building that was very much a small office of— building that was very much a small office of the prime minister has morphed — office of the prime minister has morphed into a government department and how— morphed into a government department and how the _ morphed into a government department and how the organisation needs to move _ and how the organisation needs to move with — and how the organisation needs to move with the times. i think that final acknowledgement that the prime minister— final acknowledgement that the prime minister made today that the need to be in minister made today that the need to he in the _ minister made today that the need to be in the office of the prime minister— be in the office of the prime minister is something that is long overdue — minister is something that is long overdue. it is an important long—term consequence for the sorry saga _ long-term consequence for the sorry saua. , ., ., ., , saga. there will be a lot of people watchin: saga. there will be a lot of people watching this. _ saga. there will be a lot of people watching this, some _ saga. there will be a lot of people watching this, some in _ saga. there will be a lot of people watching this, some in the - saga. there will be a lot of people | watching this, some in the country who are angry at what went on in downing street and they will be saying, creating a permanent secretary for number ten doesn't fix my anger doesn't make me feel better that rules have been broken in downing street when i was following them for would you say to them? truth is nothing will take away from theiranger. i truth is nothing will take away from their anger. i feel it is welcome i was shocked and appalled to hear about— was shocked and appalled to hear about these revelations, they were complete _ about these revelations, they were complete surprise to a lot of us who were in— complete surprise to a lot of us who were in government at the time. and therefore _ were in government at the time. and therefore there is nothing we can do to take _ therefore there is nothing we can do to take away that appalling juxtaposition, that contradictions that exist — juxtaposition, that contradictions that exist here. what is important now is_ that exist here. what is important now is that — that exist here. what is important now is that we get a sense of real seriousness — now is that we get a sense of real seriousness of purpose and that the government acknowledges the failure, the prime _ government acknowledges the failure, the prime minister acknowledges this complete _ the prime minister acknowledges this complete failure and moves on in a way that— complete failure and moves on in a way that the public and say, "all right, _ way that the public and say, "all right, we can't undo the wrong but at least _ right, we can't undo the wrong but at least we — right, we can't undo the wrong but at least we know there is acknowledgement and sincere attempt to improve _ acknowledgement and sincere attempt to improve the way in which government works. “. to improve the way in which government works.— to improve the way in which government works. ". if boris johnson is — government works. ". if boris johnson is questioned - government works. ". if boris johnson is questioned by - government works. ". if boris johnson is questioned by the | government works. ". if boris - johnson is questioned by the met do you think he can stay as prime minister? i you think he can stay as prime minister? .. �* , you think he can stay as prime minister?— minister? i think it's the consequences _ minister? i think it's the consequences of - minister? i think it's the consequences of any - minister? i think it's the - consequences of any investigation that are _ consequences of any investigation that are the most important. let�*s that are the most important. let's that are the most important. let's t a that are the most important. let's try a different _ that are the most important. let's try a different way, _ that are the most important. let's try a different way, if _ that are the most important. let's try a different way, if boris - try a different way, if boris johnson is given effects penalty would you expect them to resign? tempting as it is for me to try and work— tempting as it is for me to try and work on _ tempting as it is for me to try and work on a — tempting as it is for me to try and work on a sliding scale of seriousness here, i think is a pretty— seriousness here, i think is a pretty unfortunate position for the leader— pretty unfortunate position for the leader of— pretty unfortunate position for the leader of any country indeed those responsible with making the rules to be dealt with in that way by the police — be dealt with in that way by the police ill— be dealt with in that way by the police. i'll say this, there has to be police. i'll say this, there has to he equality— police. i'll say this, there has to be equality under the law. as members _ be equality under the law. as members of the public were refined and prosecuted for breaches of co—regulations than i would expect those _ co—regulations than i would expect those same standards to apply to anybody — those same standards to apply to anybody irrespective of whether they are prime _ anybody irrespective of whether they are prime ministers, orwhoever, it needs— are prime ministers, orwhoever, it needs to— are prime ministers, orwhoever, it needs to he — are prime ministers, orwhoever, it needs to be equally applied. that's what i _ needs to be equally applied. that's what i would expect the metropolitan police _ what i would expect the metropolitan police to _ what i would expect the metropolitan police to do. . .. what i would expect the metropolitan police to do. . ~' what i would expect the metropolitan police to do-— police to do. thank you very much for coming — police to do. thank you very much for coming to _ police to do. thank you very much for coming to talk— police to do. thank you very much for coming to talk to _ police to do. thank you very much for coming to talk to us _ police to do. thank you very much for coming to talk to us on - police to do. thank you very much for coming to talk to us on bbc i for coming to talk to us on bbc news. the prime minister seems to have won him south a bit of space with some of his mps although he doesn't seem to be out of the woods. there are some who are unhappy that he hasn't committed to publishing in full sucre findings after the met finish their investigation. —— sue gray. it feels like this will drag on for weeks or months ahead. the prime minister in about an hour's time is addressing his whole party here in parliament. we will be trying to find out what happens they are and what the mood is like in the conservative party tonight. hello this is bbc news. the headlines. the report into downing street parties says gatherings were �*difficult to justify�* — there was a �*failure of leadership�* and �*excessive consumption of alcohol�*. the prime minister apologises. i understand the anger that people feel. but mr speaker, it isn�*t enough to say sorry. this is a moment when we must look at ourselves in the mirror and we must learn. sue gray listed 16 gatherings — 12 are being investigated by the met — three of those attended by the pm. labour leader keir starmer says borisjohnson is taking the public forfools and "hiding behind" that police investigation, and there�*s criticism from some conservatives as well. the prime minister the british public aren�*t fools, they never believed the word of it. they think the prime minister should do the decent thing and resign. idomy i do my right honourable friend did not write _ i do my right honourable friend did not write the rules or didn't understand them and others around them _ understand them and others around them or— understand them and others around them or they didn't think the rules applied _ them or they didn't think the rules applied to — them or they didn't think the rules applied to numberten, them or they didn't think the rules applied to number ten, which was it? i'll give _ applied to number ten, which was it? i'll give you _ applied to number ten, which was it? i'll give you one more chance, as leader— i'll give you one more chance, as leader of— i'll give you one more chance, as leader of the _ i'll give you one more chance, as leader of the smp _ i'll give you one more chance, as leader of the smp i— i'll give you one more chance, as leader of the smp i don't- i'll give you one more chance, as leader of the smp i don't want i i'll give you one more chance, asj leader of the smp i don't want to control you — leader of the smp i don't want to control you come _ leader of the smp i don't want to control you come on _ leader of the smp i don't want to control you come on get - leader of the smp i don't want to control you come on get to - leader of the smp i don't want to control you come on get to give i leader of the smp i don't want to i control you come on get to give you the chance. — control you come on get to give you the chance, please. _ control you come on get to give you the chance, please. that— control you come on get to give you the chance, please.— control you come on get to give you the chance, please. that man... must leave the house. _ must leave the house. a fiery exchange leads to the westminster leader of the snp getting kicked out of the chamber. ian blackford accused the prime minister of lying to the commons — something you aren�*t allowed to do. the metropolitan police says officers are reviewing more than 300 images and 500 pages of information handed over from the cabinet office. let�*s get more on the initial report by sue gray into allegations of lockdown parties in downing street, which has said there were "failures of leadership and judgment" within number ten. the prime minister said he was "sorry for the things we simply didn�*t get right and also sorry for the way that this matter has been handled". the covid regulations impose significant restrictions on the freedoms of member of the public. they had _ freedoms of member of the public. they had a — freedoms of member of the public. they had a right to expect their prime — they had a right to expect their prime minister to have read the rules, to — prime minister to have read the rules, to understand the meaning of the rules— rules, to understand the meaning of the rules and indeed those around them _ the rules and indeed those around them to— the rules and indeed those around them to have done so too. and to set an example _ them to have done so too. and to set an example in following those rules. what the _ an example in following those rules. what the sue gray report does show is at numberio what the sue gray report does show is at number 10 downing street was not observing the regulations they had imposed on members of the public _ had imposed on members of the public so— had imposed on members of the public. so either my right honourable friend had not read the rules _ honourable friend had not read the rules or— honourable friend had not read the rules or didn't understand what they meant _ rules or didn't understand what they meant and _ rules or didn't understand what they meant and others around him or they didn't— meant and others around him or they didn't think— meant and others around him or they didn't think the rules applied to number— didn't think the rules applied to number ten. which was it? does my riaht number ten. which was it? does my right honourable friend _ number ten. which was it? does my right honourable friend recall - number ten. which was it? does my right honourable friend recall that i right honourable friend recall that ever sends — right honourable friend recall that ever sends he _ right honourable friend recall that ever sends he died _ right honourable friend recall that ever sends he died as— right honourable friend recall that ever sends he died as party- ever sends he died as party candidate _ ever sends he died as party candidate 30 _ ever sends he died as party candidate 30 years - ever sends he died as party candidate 30 years ago - ever sends he died as partyl candidate 30 years ago until ever sends he died as party- candidate 30 years ago until he's -ot candidate 30 years ago until he's got to— candidate 30 years ago until he's got to number— candidate 30 years ago until he's got to number ten _ candidate 30 years ago until he's got to number ten he _ candidate 30 years ago until he's got to number ten he has- candidate 30 years ago until he'sl got to number ten he has enjoyed my support _ got to number ten he has enjoyed my support but— got to number ten he has enjoyed my support. but i'm _ got to number ten he has enjoyed my support. but i'm deeply— got to number ten he has enjoyed my support. but i'm deeply concerned i got to number ten he has enjoyed my support. but i'm deeply concerned by these _ support. but i'm deeply concerned by these events— support. but i'm deeply concerned by these events and _ support. but i'm deeply concerned by these events and very _ support. but i'm deeply concerned by these events and very concerned - these events and very concerned indeed _ these events and very concerned indeed bv— these events and very concerned indeed by some _ these events and very concerned indeed by some of— these events and very concerned indeed by some of the _ these events and very concerned indeed by some of the things - these events and very concerned indeed by some of the things he| these events and very concerned i indeed by some of the things he is said from — indeed by some of the things he is said from that _ indeed by some of the things he is said from that dispatch _ indeed by some of the things he is said from that dispatch box - indeed by some of the things he is said from that dispatch box and i said from that dispatch box and has said from that dispatch box and has said to _ said from that dispatch box and has said to the — said from that dispatch box and has said to the british _ said from that dispatch box and has said to the british public— said from that dispatch box and has said to the british public and - said from that dispatch box and has said to the british public and our. said to the british public and our constituents _ said to the british public and our constituents. when— said to the british public and our constituents. when he _ said to the british public and our constituents. when he kindly- said to the british public and our- constituents. when he kindly invited me to _ constituents. when he kindly invited me to see _ constituents. when he kindly invited me to see him — constituents. when he kindly invited me to see him ten— constituents. when he kindly invited me to see him ten days _ constituents. when he kindly invited me to see him ten days ago - constituents. when he kindly invited me to see him ten days ago i - me to see him ten days ago i told him that— me to see him ten days ago i told him that i— me to see him ten days ago i told him that i thought _ me to see him ten days ago i told him that i thought he _ me to see him ten days ago i told | him that i thought he should think very carefully _ him that i thought he should think very carefully about _ him that i thought he should think very carefully about what - him that i thought he should think very carefully about what was - him that i thought he should think very carefully about what was nowj very carefully about what was now the best— very carefully about what was now the best interest _ very carefully about what was now the best interest of— very carefully about what was now the best interest of our— very carefully about what was now the best interest of our country i very carefully about what was now. the best interest of our country and on the _ the best interest of our country and on the conservative _ the best interest of our country and on the conservative party. - the best interest of our country and on the conservative party. i- the best interest of our country and on the conservative party. i have i the best interest of our country and j on the conservative party. i have to tell him. _ on the conservative party. i have to tell him. he — on the conservative party. i have to tell him. he no— on the conservative party. i have to tell him, he no longer— on the conservative party. i have to tell him, he no longer enjoys- on the conservative party. i have to tell him, he no longer enjoys my. tell him, he no longer enjoys my support — tell him, he no longer enjoys my support it— tell him, he no longer en'oys my su ort. , , ., tell him, he no longer en'oys my su ort. , ,., ., tell him, he no longer en'oys my su ort. , ,. ., ., tell him, he no longer en'oys my suuort. , ., ., , support. it seems a lot of people attended event _ support. it seems a lot of people attended event in _ support. it seems a lot of people attended event in may _ support. it seems a lot of people attended event in may 2020. - support. it seems a lot of people attended event in may 2020. it l support. it seems a lot of people i attended event in may 2020. it was my grandmothers funeral, she was a wonderful woman as well as a lot of herfamily she served wonderful woman as well as a lot of her family she served his community as a counsellor and she served our conservative association for many years. i drove for three hours from staffordshire to kent, only ten people at the funeral, many people had to watch online. i didn�*t have my siblings, do not buy beer, i gave the eulogy and then after i didn�*t go to her house for a cup of tea for that i drove back three hours from kent to stop a chair does the prime minister think of a fool? it is absolutely — minister think of a fool? it is absolutely right _ minister think of a fool? it is absolutely right that - minister think of a fool? it is absolutely right that over the past few weeks our constituents across the house — few weeks our constituents across the house have been writing to us on this usual— the house have been writing to us on this usual important issue. and i don't _ this usual important issue. and i don't think— this usual important issue. and i don't think in any way wish to minimise _ don't think in any way wish to minimise its importance. but in my constituency i have military bases and i_ constituency i have military bases and i am — constituency i have military bases and i am receiving e—mails from families— and i am receiving e—mails from families who are concerned about their— families who are concerned about their loved — families who are concerned about their loved ones and the potential role they— their loved ones and the potential role they may end up playing given the conflict on the russian ukrainian border. members opposite me treat _ ukrainian border. members opposite me treat this lightly but for the families— me treat this lightly but for the families who have those serving in military— families who have those serving in military do— families who have those serving in military do not treat it lightly. would — military do not treat it lightly. would my right honourable friend -ive would my right honourable friend give me _ would my right honourable friend give me an assurance that notwithstanding the importance of the issue — notwithstanding the importance of the issue that we are discussing at present— the issue that we are discussing at present is— the issue that we are discussing at present is government will start addressing other important matters that concern of my constituents and the constituents of people across his house? a the constituents of people across his house?— the constituents of people across his house? . ., ., ., ,., his house? a flavour there of some fiery rhetoric _ his house? a flavour there of some fiery rhetoric in _ his house? a flavour there of some fiery rhetoric in the _ his house? a flavour there of some fiery rhetoric in the commons. - his house? a flavour there of some | fiery rhetoric in the commons. good to see you. thanks forjoining us. interesting andrew mitchell there, we had teresa may, a few other mps, most of them in invoking the of their constituents depending on their constituents depending on their point of view. and those supporting the prime minister said their constituents wholeheartedly back to him and believed his apology. those who do not support the prime minister made it clear that their constituents were angry for top is that essentially what were talking about here, the effect on backbench mps of this report and the views of their constituents as to whether or not they continue to support the prime minister? ida. i support the prime minister? no, i think were — support the prime minister? no, i think were talking _ support the prime minister? no, i think were talking about - support the prime minister? iifr, i think were talking about something, when talking about national asia during the angerfor when talking about national asia during the anger for many people. —— angen during the anger for many people. —— anger. about they gatherings the sue gray report in and around downing street seem to make a mockery of the sacrifices that people made during lockdown. it�*s very hard to get away from that, i think. there are two points that make it really difficult for the prime minister in this. one is the portrait of disorganisation within downing street, the culture, drinking excessively the report says by any professional standards of having gatherings, a vast number of people and while it doesn�*t exactly pin that on the prime minister it talks about failures of leadership and who is responsible other than the leader who might ask. the other one is in the very few specific details of what goes into them it does break some news of giving us details of a complete list of gatherings that took place, 16 it says that are under some kind of investigation. some of them probably knew. and the hammering that the prime minister got on the commons today from all sides was about some of those, in particular won in his own flat. mps tried to hone in on whether he could have been said to have misled about whether or not.... as he interesting day. will go back to what you said earlier about national anger. that alleged party on the 13th of november 2020 and this was the same day that dominic cummings left the employ of the prime minister and downing street. the police are investigating this, allegation from the opposition is that the prime minister lied about this particular party to the commons. is that do you think a particular point ofjeopardy to him? i think it is. you can debate what are liars and what they�*re talking about is a statement to the house of the first week of december just last year about that specific gathering where he said, "whatever happened i�*m sure the guidelines approved it. ". it's that that i�*m sure the guidelines approved it. it�*s that that they�*re pushing mps got up to say this particular alleged gathering was in your own flat, you don�*t need to wait for the police to say whether or not you were there. to which the prime minister is response was, "wait for the police. i think it is a point of danger it does depend on what the police find and when. the of danger it does depend on what the police find and when.— police find and when. the supporters of boris johnson _ police find and when. the supporters of boris johnson would _ police find and when. the supporters of boris johnson would say, - police find and when. the supporters of boris johnson would say, are - police find and when. the supporters of boris johnson would say, are the l of borisjohnson would say, are the public really expected to believe that under blair, brown, the coalition, cameron and theresa may there was no drinking culture, there was no sense of disorganisation, there was no booze at work? all this suddenly came in under boris johnson. i suddenly came in under boris johnson. ., �* ~' suddenly came in under boris johnson. ., �* ,, ., �*, johnson. i don't think that's quite have the report _ johnson. i don't think that's quite have the report puts _ johnson. i don't think that's quite have the report puts it. _ johnson. i don't think that's quite have the report puts it. it - have the report puts it. it describes a culture, it�*s five and have pages but some of the details are really press at home to the prime minister, described as what drinking was excessively, inappropriate really in any professional contacts. it doesn�*t matter if they had bottles of wine under the desk at downing street is talking about the culture of this. it's talking about the culture of this. it�*s also talking about the size and structure of the staff supporting the prime minister and painting a picture ofjust how big and the organisation was was up and that is new and some of it we knew, actually sue gray was concerned about this about the sheer size of the teams in that very heart of government. it is saying some of this is new. he�*s that very heart of government. it is saying some of this is new. he's got to ublish saying some of this is new. he's got to publish the _ saying some of this is new. he's got to publish the full— saying some of this is new. he's got to publish the full report, _ saying some of this is new. he's got to publish the full report, has - to publish the full report, has a ni? i to publish the full report, has a ni? .. to publish the full report, has a ni? ~' ., , ., �* to publish the full report, has a ni? ,, ., , ., �* ~' ni? i think he does. i don't think mps are going — ni? i think he does. i don't think mps are going to _ ni? i think he does. i don't think mps are going to let _ ni? i think he does. i don't think mps are going to let up - ni? i think he does. i don't think mps are going to let up on - mps are going to let up on that point. but he does have cover, if you like, from the metropolitan police who are now can have their investigation of 12 gatherings. i think they are now under considerable pressure to publish the report. if they don�*t he will be under enormous pressure to publish the sue gray original report that was good to be published last week in full. thank you for that. good afternoon to you. let�*s pick up on that final point that he has got to publish the full, original sue gray report at some point, hasn�*t he? i gray report at some point, hasn't he? .. gray report at some point, hasn't he? ~' �*, gray report at some point, hasn't he? �*, ., ., he? i think so. it's important to sa that he? i think so. it's important to say that this — he? i think so. it's important to say that this is _ he? i think so. it's important to say that this is not _ he? i think so. it's important to say that this is not the - he? i think so. it's important to say that this is not the sue - he? i think so. it's important toj say that this is not the sue gray report, it�*s an update. there is an irony here in that the reason she couldn�*t publish the report she wanted to is the very seriousness of the incidents that have led to the metropolitan police saying they want to investigate them. more than any of us expected i think six to eight, in fact it�*s angela 12 out of the 16. so it�*s not that has created the situation we are and where she has only been able to give us general findings. and that is not enough i think to satisfy what we know it was a pretty thorough investigation. we have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray _ have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray read _ have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray read ports - have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray read ports to - have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray read ports to the l have to see the full report. yes. it's sue gray read ports to the size it�*s sue gray read ports to the size and structure of the support staff behind the prime minister in downing street. too big, lacking in structure. was that something that you experienced? it structure. was that something that you experienced?— you experienced? it was and i do think things _ you experienced? it was and i do think things have _ you experienced? it was and i do think things have deteriorated. l you experienced? it was and i do think things have deteriorated. i | think things have deteriorated. i think things have deteriorated. i think many thought that with the changes that came about with dominic cummings left number ten there might be a greater professionalism, better coordination of how things were done. but sue gray�*s report gives light to that. it paints a pretty identifying nature of excessive drinking, uncontrolled really set of people in number ten, a large number of people not really being properly managed and led. so that is serious. but i do worry that we look at structure which is important and this is ultimately about behaviour and whether people recognised the importance of obeying the rules. and if so, why they didn�*t follow them. this sue gray doesn�*t say that absolutely they broke the rules but it gets pretty damn close to that, it gets pretty damn close to that, it says things that were done that shouldn�*t have been done. i think thatis shouldn�*t have been done. i think that is a serious issue here. the structure does need improving, it has been dysfunctional but let�*s not lose sight of the basic failure of leadership and behavior. i5 lose sight of the basic failure of leadership and behavior. is that a shock to you? _ leadership and behavior. is that a shock to you? i _ leadership and behavior. is that a shock to you? i mean _ leadership and behavior. is that a shock to you? i mean giving - leadership and behavior. is that a shock to you? i mean giving your| shock to you? i mean giving your time and given the importance of covid rules and trying to prevent the spread of coronavirus and given the spread of coronavirus and given the people who were accused of breaking these rules were the very people who made the rules? this be cars people who made the rules? this beggars belief- — people who made the rules? this beggars belief. it _ people who made the rules? “in 3 beggars belief. it does come i think you�*re right to say it was a big shock to me. i think it�*s a big shock to me. i think it�*s a big shock to me. i think it�*s a big shock to most civil servants, actually put in my experience, ricky tried very hard to do the right thing and play by the rules. so they will be astonished and dismayed as well. we must recognise that this is damaging to good government, damage to the publics perception of government regardless of who�*s in power. i don�*t think it would�*ve happened with other prime ministers, i�*ll be direct about that. we heard teresa made today giving her opinion of what�*s happened here. it isn�*t over. —— may. this is not the end of the story, we still have the metropolitan report to come, we still i hope and indeed believe we will see the full sue gray report and that we can judge all of this in the detail that�*s necessary for them and even what we know now, it is deeply shocking and i have to say, deeply shocking and i have to say, deeply depressing as well. sure. thank you forjoining us. we will go back to the sentry to enact central lobby. following every twist and turn of the story to a what we got? by, twist and turn of the story to a what we got?— twist and turn of the story to a what we got? twist and turn of the story to a what we not? . , ., , what we got? a statement 'ust come in from numberfi what we got? a statement 'ust come in from number ten. _ what we got? a statement 'ust come in from number ten. we _ what we got? a statementjust come in from number ten. we heard - in from number ten. we heard mark carr per se a few minutes ago and both tory backbenchers that they wanted to see the full report from sue gray in the fullness of time when the met investigation is completed. a statementjust in from a nun bird ten spokesperson saying given the police have said they�*re investigating it would not be appropriate to comment further while their investigation is ongoing. but at the end of the process the prime minister will ask sue gray to update her work in light of what�*s found and he will publish that update. so it sounds like number ten is committing to publishing whatever sue gray comes up with once the met has finished its investigation. that matters because the met has asked sue gray not to publish some stuff because i thought it might get in a way of their investigation for the short answer, this is going to go on for a while yet. let�*s chat with the shadowjustice secretary. you just shadow justice secretary. you just heard shadowjustice secretary. you just heard number ten they are, seems to be committing to publishing to graceful findings at the end of this process. is that something you would welcome? by, process. is that something you would welcome? . ., ., ., , welcome? a lot of what they say, i saw the statement _ welcome? a lot of what they say, i saw the statement just _ welcome? a lot of what they say, i saw the statement just a _ welcome? a lot of what they say, i saw the statement just a few - welcome? a lot of what they say, i i saw the statementjust a few minutes saw the statement just a few minutes a-o saw the statement just a few minutes ago and _ saw the statement just a few minutes ago and said they would consider publishing. sol ago and said they would consider publishing. so i don't know whether they've _ publishing. so i don't know whether they've issued a change to that. if they've issued a change to that. if they cannot consider publishing it then that's more words he'll try to wiggle out— then that's more words he'll try to wiggle out of. because laughing the spy wiggle out of. because laughing the spy minister want to do is come clean _ spy minister want to do is come clean about what he's been doing and what is _ clean about what he's been doing and what is been going on at number 10 downing _ what is been going on at number 10 downing streetjust as he's been trying _ downing streetjust as he's been trying to evade responsibility and the truth — trying to evade responsibility and the truth all the way through it. one of— the truth all the way through it. one of the things that sue gray talks about is the interim findings we have from today is a problem with leadership in number ten and the cabinet office as well. we�*ve heard the prime minister say he�*s going to make some structural changes in the way number ten operates. is that going to be enough to make sure that theseissues going to be enough to make sure that these issues don�*t arise again? sue these issues don't arise again? sue gray points — these issues don't arise again? sue gray points to a serious failure of leadership— gray points to a serious failure of leadership and judgment as being the cause of— leadership and judgment as being the cause of these problem. and remember that as _ cause of these problem. and remember that as an— cause of these problem. and remember that as an interim report, she is not able — that as an interim report, she is not able to— that as an interim report, she is not able to go into detail but she does _ not able to go into detail but she does point to a serious failure of leadership. that does point to the leader— leadership. that does point to the leader and — leadership. that does point to the leader and the prime minister. and we know— leader and the prime minister. and we know already that the prime minister— we know already that the prime minister stands accused of breaking the laws _ minister stands accused of breaking the laws that he set and the rest of the laws that he set and the rest of the british— the laws that he set and the rest of the british people were making extraordinary sacrifices to follow. we know — extraordinary sacrifices to follow. we know by ministers like the parliament because he stood up day after the _ parliament because he stood up day after the allegra stratton video was released _ after the allegra stratton video was released and told us he shared the countries _ released and told us he shared the countries anger that they were trying — countries anger that they were trying to— countries anger that they were trying tojoke about countries anger that they were trying to joke about covering up a party— trying to joke about covering up a party and — trying to joke about covering up a party and later turns out he was at the party — party and later turns out he was at the party. he's lied to parliament, that is— the party. he's lied to parliament, that is a _ the party. he's lied to parliament, that is a breach of an ministerial code _ that is a breach of an ministerial code which— that is a breach of an ministerial code which even he admits is a resigning — code which even he admits is a resigning matter. he is trying to play for— resigning matter. he is trying to play for time, his thinking if he drags— play for time, his thinking if he drags us— play for time, his thinking if he drags us out as long as he possibly can. there will be some way to get them _ can. there will be some way to get them off the hook but his fate is no longer— them off the hook but his fate is no longer in _ them off the hook but his fate is no longer in his— them off the hook but his fate is no longer in his hands. it's in the hands — longer in his hands. it's in the hands of— longer in his hands. it's in the hands of conservative mps who was now decide — hands of conservative mps who was now decide whether they want to associate — now decide whether they want to associate themselves with his disreputable lying behaviour or whether — disreputable lying behaviour or whether they want to assert integrity and put in place a prime minister— integrity and put in place a prime minister this country can respect. you talk— minister this country can respect. you talk about this now being in the hands of tory mps, women speaking to quite a few on bbc news this afternoon and it feels to me like there are some who are uncomfortable with what happened but aren�*t quite ready to move against the prime minister yet. ready to move against the prime ministeryet. do ready to move against the prime minister yet. do you think this drags on for the next few weeks? {line drags on for the next few weeks? one ofthe drags on for the next few weeks? one of the serious — drags on for the next few weeks? one of the serious problems we've had, i was out _ of the serious problems we've had, i was out of— of the serious problems we've had, i was out of the front page earlier listening — was out of the front page earlier listening to the prime minister and thinking, _ listening to the prime minister and thinking, "how long we've been sat there _ thinking, "how long we've been sat there thinking about the scandals, this lying? — there thinking about the scandals, this lying? three months while the country— this lying? three months while the country is still emerging from the country is still emerging from the worst— the country is still emerging from the worst postwar crisis we've ever faced _ the worst postwar crisis we've ever faced we — the worst postwar crisis we've ever faced. we got a prime minister who cannot— faced. we got a prime minister who cannot lead — faced. we got a prime minister who cannot lead because he is now been submerged in crisis of his own making — submerged in crisis of his own making because he cannot be honest. we need _ making because he cannot be honest. we need to— making because he cannot be honest. we need to get on a focus on the priorities— we need to get on a focus on the priorities of— we need to get on a focus on the priorities of british people and that means we need need a prime minister— that means we need need a prime minister that can cut loose from all of this _ minister that can cut loose from all of this and — minister that can cut loose from all of this. and those conservative mps were now— of this. and those conservative mps were now being detoxified whether the prime — were now being detoxified whether the prime minister like need to decide — the prime minister like need to decide whose side they're on his of the british— decide whose side they're on his of the british people and that means we need need _ the british people and that means we need need a prime minister that can cut loose _ need need a prime minister that can cut loose from all of this. and those conservative _ cut loose from all of this. and those conservative mps - cut loose from all of this. jifuc those conservative mps were now being detoxified whether the prime minister is like need to decide whose side they�*re on his of the british peoples? steve reed thank you very much for coming to talk to us. i think we�*ve got a flavour of the debate that�*s going to play out over the next few hours. opposition politicians are putting a lot of pressure on conservative mps to now think about the prime minister is future. at the moment there are only a few more who have said that they change their mind as a result of these interim findings and what the prime minister —— what the prime minister to go. they are still keeping counsel and we will be watching closely over the next few hours particularly whether boris johnson addresses them in around 45 in parliament or the reaction whether any more will come out to say that the prime minister needs to go. say that the prime minister needs to a o, ., ~' say that the prime minister needs to to. ., " , ., say that the prime minister needs to co. ., ~ say that the prime minister needs to go. thank you. ruth, good to see ou. go. thank you. ruth, good to see you- thanks _ go. thank you. ruth, good to see you. thanks for— go. thank you. ruth, good to see you. thanks forjoining _ go. thank you. ruth, good to see you. thanks forjoining us. - go. thank you. ruth, good to see you. thanks forjoining us. first i go. thank you. ruth, good to see | you. thanks forjoining us. first of all, do you want to see the full report published when it�*s possible for that to happen? report published when it's possible for that to happen?— for that to happen? absolutely. i think that for that to happen? absolutely. i thinkthat it— for that to happen? absolutely. i think that it certainly _ for that to happen? absolutely. i think that it certainly sunshine i for that to happen? absolutely. i think that it certainly sunshine is| think that it certainly sunshine is the best disinfectant for that we need to see who did what. we also need to see who did what. we also need how did we get to a situation where the people who are setting the rules look as if they were willfully breaking them? and they didn�*t see anything wrong with that. how did they not understand that the whole point about leadership is that you have to lead by example? particularly at a time of national crisis. �* ., ., ., crisis. but given what we have got from this initial— crisis. but given what we have got from this initial report, _ crisis. but given what we have got from this initial report, whatever. from this initial report, whatever we want to call it do you believe the prime ministers position untenable? i the prime ministers position untenable?— the prime ministers position untenable? ., , , untenable? i actually believed it was untenable _ untenable? i actually believed it was untenable before _ untenable? i actually believed it was untenable before we - untenable? i actually believed it was untenable before we had i untenable? i actually believed it i was untenable before we had what untenable? i actually believed it - was untenable before we had what was hair. and the reason of that was because by his admission he attended events, parties whatever you want to call them and stood up in parliament and said that he was shocked, shocked at such thing as taking place with up that he�*d attended at least one firm sue gray upgrade it seems that that number has grown to three. also the tallest set to the top, i can imagine that under teresa made during a time of national lockdown people would�*ve thought it was remotely acceptable to do something like this. in fact you saw her quite hot fury today that the office of the prime minister which she holds in some esteem, as to people across the country was being produced in this way. but people across the country was being produced in this way.— produced in this way. but he is apologise- _ produced in this way. but he is apologise. and _ produced in this way. but he is apologise. and sue _ produced in this way. but he is apologise. and sue grey - produced in this way. but he is apologise. and sue grey did i produced in this way. but he is . apologise. and sue grey did make produced in this way. but he is - apologise. and sue grey did make it clear that the size and structure of the staff supporting the prime minister, too big, lacking in rigour, there was too much disorganization, can that really be put at the door of the prime minister? i put at the door of the prime minister?— put at the door of the prime minister? ., �* .,~ ., , ,, minister? i don't take any issue it all u- minister? i don't take any issue it all up recommendation _ minister? i don't take any issue it all up recommendation on - minister? i don't take any issue it all up recommendation on how. minister? i don't take any issue it. all up recommendation on how you minister? i don't take any issue it - all up recommendation on how you can be organised station to be a sleeker functional machine for the art of the the house that would disagree with that. however i don�*t think that�*s a wholly separate issue from having moral authority to leave at a time of national crisis with up i think there is a real danger points here for the minister amongst my colleagues who are conservative mps. one, the tall i think it got wrong there needed to be more contrition. i think flailing around talking about free courts making key starmer to be civil and suggesting that front bench lever members took drugs i think was completely inappropriate. the fact that he could not see one question and publish unredacted really disappointed people. ithink publish unredacted really disappointed people. i think would happen sense, the people were there that would try to get support say look, the prime minister needs to get onto serious issues like ukraine, what�*s happening with russia, then walked out of the chamber and found out that a call between the prime minister and vladimir putin had to be put off today because he chose and requested today because he chose and requested to make that statement at the time that he did. so even those that would try to help the prime minister out today it left the chamber with egg on their face out today it left the chamber with egg on theirface because of out today it left the chamber with egg on their face because of what they would turn help them with ended up they would turn help them with ended up showing disadvantage. i think that�*s a problem here. people don�*t know the end of this. colleagues who think what to do, how might you get together, itjust don�*t know where it said and i can�*t believe him when they he says it�*s over. we it said and i can't believe him when they he says it's over.— they he says it's over. we will leave it there. _ they he says it's over. we will leave it there. thank - they he says it's over. we will leave it there. thank you - leave it there. thank you for joining us. six o�*clock news coming up. time for a look at the weather. those wins easing for a time overnight but actually picking up again, these risk leslie nguyen setting into the early hours with a lot of cloud some outbreaks of rain splashing southwards, milder air temperatures by the end of the night, 6 degrees in norwich, seven in london, more like 11 for belfast, glasgow and aberdeen. tomorrow a zone of cloudy and damp weather cross northwest england, the midlands a lot of cloud to the southwest as well. but for ease and in other parts of england and certainly scotland we will see more sunshine some showers in the north will be very windy again with dozens may be 65 mph in ex post spots. temperatures getting up to 12 or 13 degrees photo a very mild field to tuesday afternoon for that wednesday is good to be another mild tape a bit of cloud and rain in some northern areas, rain sweep southwards on thursday live in colder air and wintry showers following on behind. failures of leadership and judgement, with some events that should not have been allowed to take place — sue gray�*s initial verdict on gatherings in downing street. questions for the prime minister as the civil servant makes it clear her update is extremely limited given the police investigation. in the commons, boris johnson apologised. it isn't enough to say sorry. this is a moment _ when we must look at ourselves in the mirror- and we must learn. by routinely breaking the rules he set, the prime minister took us all for fools. he held people�*s sacrifice in contempt, he showed himself unfit for office. how is what�*s been revealed so far going down with voters? i'm sure it wouldn't have happened under previous prime ministers and stuff. i don't think they would have been doing it with theresa may,

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