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our first question, to make sure that you do. let's take ourfirst question, please. our first question, please. good evenina. our first question, please. good evening. what _ our first question, please. good evening. what would _ our first question, please. good evening. what would we - our first question, please. good evening. what would we have . ourfirst question, please. good evening. what would we have to sacrifice — evening. what would we have to sacrifice to — evening. what would we have to sacrifice to meet _ evening. what would we have to sacrifice to meet your— evening. what would we have to sacrifice to meet your pledges? i sacrifice to meet your pledges? hello. — sacrifice to meet your pledges? hello, graham, _ sacrifice to meet your pledges? hello, graham, and _ sacrifice to meet your pledges? hello, graham, and good - sacrifice to meet your pledges? i hello, graham, and good evening, everybody. i think this is a great question, because we need to achieve big changes in our society. we have an nhs which is severely overstretched, a social care system where people cannot get access to the personal care they need, our schools are crumbling and we have a climate crisis and a nature crisis where we have got sewage in our rivers and climate going unchecked. so, the green party is putting forward an ambitious manifesto for this election, where we can offer real hope and real change on the biggest issues of our time, and that is about offering a vision for a different type of society. so, in terms of what would people be sacrificing, i think it is about what people would be gaining. because at the moment people cannot get access to an nhs dentist. where i am in east anglia there is not a single nhs dentist in norfolk and waverly taking new patients. people cannot get access to a gp when they need one, the hospitals are full of patients in corridors and we have a climate and nature crisis that we are not getting to grips with. what we are arguing is that we should put in the investment and we should ask the very richest in society, multimillionaires and billionaires, to put in modestly more so that we can have a society where people can get the services they need, when they need one. and we can have a clean environment. people say to me all the time, they are thinking about what the future is going to be like for their children and for their grandchildren. and i think we all know that we need to step up action on the climate crisis, both to adapt to the changes that are already happening, but to avoid the runaway climate change that will affect us all dreadfully if we do not get to grips with this. filiaiiii affect us all dreadfully if we do not get to grips with this. shall we talk about some _ not get to grips with this. shall we talk about some of _ not get to grips with this. shall we talk about some of the _ talk about some of the specifics, graham's question is about what we would have to sacrifice, let's talk about cars, for example, obviously you would like us all to drive electric cars and you are suggesting that everyone has to scrap their petrol and diesel cars by 2035. that is tens of millions of cars, that is potentially the cars of lots of people sitting here, how are you going to recompense people for doing that? ., , ., , ., that? that is a good question, fiona, that? that is a good question, fiona. and _ that? that is a good question, fiona, and there _ that? that is a good question, fiona, and there does - that? that is a good question, fiona, and there does need i that? that is a good question, fiona, and there does need toi that? that is a good question, - fiona, and there does need to be... there needs to be a scrappage scheme as part of any plan to move away from fossil fuels vehicles.- as part of any plan to move away from fossil fuels vehicles. have you bud . eted from fossil fuels vehicles. have you budgeted for _ from fossil fuels vehicles. have you budgeted for that _ from fossil fuels vehicles. have you budgeted for that and _ from fossil fuels vehicles. have you budgeted for that and how - from fossil fuels vehicles. have you budgeted for that and how much i from fossil fuels vehicles. have you | budgeted for that and how much will people expect to get? fiur budgeted for that and how much will people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed _ people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed and _ people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed and what _ people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed and what i _ people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed and what i would - people expect to get? our manifesto is fully costed and what i would say l is fully costed and what i would say is fully costed and what i would say is that as part of a plan to say we have a date where no new fossil fuels vehicles come onto the road, of course, from then on, there will still be lots of second—hand fossil fuels vehicles which people may buy, but what it will do is... just to be clear... vehicle manufacturers... make it easierfor clear... vehicle manufacturers... make it easier for people to use. so, what exact aru suggesting, that we will have to scrap our petrol and diesel cars by 2035? we we will have to scrap our petrol and diesel cars by 2035?— we will have to scrap our petrol and diesel cars by 2035? we would want to have no petrol— diesel cars by 2035? we would want to have no petrol and _ diesel cars by 2035? we would want to have no petrol and diesel- diesel cars by 2035? we would want to have no petrol and diesel cars- diesel cars by 2035? we would want to have no petrol and diesel cars on| to have no petrol and diesel cars on the road by then. but to have no petrol and diesel cars on the road by then.— to have no petrol and diesel cars on the road by then. but given that you are saying. — the road by then. but given that you are saying. even _ the road by then. but given that you are saying, even that _ the road by then. but given that you are saying, even that it _ the road by then. but given that you are saying, even that it is _ the road by then. but given that you are saying, even that it is fully - are saying, even that it is fully costed, in the back and watch out, let's say you have got a petrol or diesel car, what is your name...? how much would you pay him for his petrol and diesel car? i am how much would you pay him for his petrol and diesel car?— petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have that — petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have that specific _ petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have that specific figure. - petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have that specific figure. so - petrol and diesel car? i am not sure i have that specific figure. so how i i have that specific figure. so how do ou i have that specific figure. so how do you know _ i have that specific figure. so how do you know it — i have that specific figure. so how do you know it is _ i have that specific figure. so how do you know it is fully _ i have that specific figure. so how do you know it is fully costed? . do you know it is fully costed? because i can tell you about the figures for our manifesto as a whole, and what those figures are seeking to achieve in terms of the transition to net zero. 0ne seeking to achieve in terms of the transition to net zero. one of the big parts of that is, we have got to invest in our public transport system, because we have some of the most expensive trains and public transport in the uk, if you can get onto public transport at all, there are so many villages where i am in east anglia where people no longer have a bus at all, so you have got to put the investment into improving the public transport before you start bringing in the measures around helping people move away from their cars or other measures that would eventually help with that transition. ,, ., ., ~ ., transition. shall we talk about the ublic transition. shall we talk about the public transport? _ transition. shall we talk about the public transport? so, _ transition. shall we talk about the public transport? so, you - transition. shall we talk about the public transport? so, you want. transition. shall we talk about the public transport? so, you want to | public transport? so, you want to introduce a frequent flyer van, a levy, and ban domestic flights which would take less than three hours by train. so, say for example you are coming from manchester to london by train, it is actually more expensive on certain flights, to come by train that it on certain flights, to come by train thatitis on certain flights, to come by train that it is to fly, so again, coming back to the question in terms of what it might cost, what would you do about that? i what it might cost, what would you do about that?— do about that? i think that is a really good — do about that? i think that is a really good question, - do about that? i think that is a really good question, fiona, . do about that? i think that is a - really good question, fiona, because absolutely it should not be the case that it absolutely it should not be the case thatitis absolutely it should not be the case that it is more expensive to get the train, often substantially more expensive, to get the train within the uk, than it is to get a flight, and a flight is several times more environmentally damaging. and i think most people want to do the greener option, but the greener option has got to be the cheaper and more convenient option as well. how would ou more convenient option as well. how would you make _ more convenient option as well. how would you make it _ more convenient option as well. how would you make it cheaper? huge i would you make it cheaper? huge subsidies at _ would you make it cheaper? huge subsidies at the _ would you make it cheaper? huge subsidies at the moment - would you make it cheaper? him subsidies at the moment go into the aviation industry whilst we have some of the most expensive rail prices in europe. and so one of the things we would do is to the railways back into public ownership, which i think people would really like to see, to ensure that they are run for public benefit, not for the huge profits of the whale companies. what would you like to say? are you convinced by what you are hearing? i don't understand, i thought the green party were against hs2, and schemes like that? which is improving high speed rail. so why were they against it? so, we want to see far more investment in public transport, and in particular in improving regional and local connections here in the midlands, in the north, in all parts of the country. we did have concerns about the huge cost and also the local environment to limp along the london to birmingham route of the particular proposal for hs2, but that route is happening now, and what the government has said is that it is going to scrap the perhaps more helpful leg of hs2, which was going to be in the midlands on the north, and said that it is going to put that money into regional and local transport networks for the midlands and the north and the whole of the country. i am in a region in east anglia which is underinvested, i think probably you in the midlands and in the north also feel your public transport has not been invested in, and my question to the government would be, it said it was going to invest that hs2 second leg money in local transport, where is that happening? have you seen the improvements to public transport where you are? i know i haven't. we need to get that investment into local and regional rail services and bus services so that people do have that option for public transport wherever it is practical. the woman in the- - - ? — wherever it is practical. the woman in the...? hello. _ wherever it is practical. the woman in the. . . ? hello. just _ wherever it is practical. the woman in the. . . ? hello. just going - wherever it is practical. the woman in the. . . ? hello. just going back i wherever it is practical. the woman in the. . . ? hello. just going back to| in the...? hello. just going back to your— in the...? hello. just going back to your comments _ in the...? hello. just going back to your comments about _ in the...? hello. just going back to your comments about us _ in the...? hello. just going back to your comments about us all - in the...? hello. just going back to. your comments about us all scrapping our petrol— your comments about us all scrapping our petrol and — your comments about us all scrapping our petrol and diesel— your comments about us all scrapping our petrol and diesel cars— your comments about us all scrapping our petrol and diesel cars and - our petrol and diesel cars and having — our petrol and diesel cars and having electric— our petrol and diesel cars and having electric vehicles. - our petrol and diesel cars and having electric vehicles. what our petrol and diesel cars and i having electric vehicles. what are you going — having electric vehicles. what are you going to— having electric vehicles. what are you going to do— having electric vehicles. what are you going to do to _ having electric vehicles. what are you going to do to actually - having electric vehicles. what are you going to do to actually put i having electric vehicles. what are you going to do to actually put in| you going to do to actually put in place _ you going to do to actually put in place the — you going to do to actually put in place the infrastructure - you going to do to actually put in place the infrastructure across i you going to do to actually put in. place the infrastructure across the whole _ place the infrastructure across the whole of _ place the infrastructure across the whole of the — place the infrastructure across the whole of the uk _ place the infrastructure across the whole of the uk to _ place the infrastructure across the whole of the uk to support - place the infrastructure across the whole of the uk to support that? i whole of the uk to support that? absolutely — whole of the uk to support that? absolutely. thank _ whole of the uk to support that? absolutely. thank you _ whole of the uk to support that? absolutely. thank you for- whole of the uk to support that? absolutely. thank you for your i absolutely. thank you for your question, i think that is an absolutely crucial question, i have sometimes been asked a question from interviewers in this election about, do i have a car? i do own a car which use when i need to, it is a hybrid car, i would have had an electric car but the house was a terraced house where there were no charging points and i am sure lots of people will face barriers like that, orfinancial barriers, you might want to get an electric car but it is too expensive or you are worried about the info structure. so that has got to have the investment both from government but also the reason why i think we do need to have a clear timeline for moving all of our vehicles to electric and away from fossil fuels is that it gives the private sector a clear timescale to work too, for putting that investment in, and when the government changed goalposts, the conservative government, itself had in place, for moving away from fossil fuels vehicles, they pulled the rug away from the electric vehicle sector, as they did from the renewable energy sector, when they were all geared up for putting that investment in. so if we are going to get the business opportunities and work closely with business to make these changes, we have to give them these changes, we have to give them the confidence that they have on the timescales that are there, and it is really strange to me that a conservative government would be so antibusiness as to pull the rug away, and also to be talking down the uk so much, when we could be playing a lead in this green transition to a greener future, people say to me all the time, what can the uk do on climate change, given what china is emitting? what we can do is what we have done in the past. we can be patriotic, we can say, we are going to lead the world into the green industrial revolution of the future, with all the jobs that that will bring, the bills coming down, and it will create a better society as well. let's take another question derek chapman. let's take another question derek chaman. , , let's take another question derek chaman. , ., , chapman. good evening. it is lovely to have your — chapman. good evening. it is lovely to have your green _ chapman. good evening. it is lovely to have your green vision, _ chapman. good evening. it is lovely to have your green vision, but i chapman. good evening. it is lovely to have your green vision, but what| to have your green vision, but what i to have your green vision, but what iwouid _ to have your green vision, but what iwouid like — to have your green vision, but what iwouid like to _ to have your green vision, but what i would like to know _ to have your green vision, but what i would like to know is, _ to have your green vision, but what i would like to know is, how- to have your green vision, but what i would like to know is, how are i to have your green vision, but what| i would like to know is, how are you going _ i would like to know is, how are you going to _ i would like to know is, how are you going to get — i would like to know is, how are you going to get countries _ i would like to know is, how are you going to get countries like - going to get countries like china and india — going to get countries like china and india to _ going to get countries like china and india to go— going to get countries like china and india to go green? - going to get countries like china and india to go green? to- going to get countries like china and india to go green?— going to get countries like china and india to go green? to put it in context, china _ and india to go green? to put it in context, china accounts _ and india to go green? to put it in context, china accounts for i context, china accounts for something like 30% of global emissions india is about 7%, and we are about i%. emissions india is about 796, and we are about 196-— are about 196. well, what an important — are about 196. well, what an important question, - are about 196. well, what an important question, and i are about 196. well, what an | important question, and you are about 196. well, what an i important question, and you have pre—empted what i was just starting to talk about because it is a question which is often raised, and of course, climate is global issue and the loco uk government needs to play a global role in advocating for the changes that are needed. but also in leading by example. because what we do here in the uk does still have an impact internationally, we should not talk ourselves down in that respect, and also the changes that respect, and also the changes that we need to make for the uk will benefit us regardless of what other countries do. benefit us regardless of what other countries do— countries do. specifically the auestion countries do. specifically the question is — countries do. specifically the question is about _ countries do. specifically the question is about how- countries do. specifically the question is about how our. countries do. specifically the i question is about how our wee countries do. specifically the - question is about how our wee going to persuade china and india, given that they...? in terms of our global influence, do you think china is watching us and thinking, they are thinking twice about gas licenses, for example, which actually is not the case, but say under labour it would be the case, do you genuinely think that that would affect whether china would open new oil wells or be drilling for gas or new coal mines, watching what we are doing? it is watching what we are doing? it is not 'ust watching what we are doing? it is not just about — watching what we are doing? it 3 not just about what the uk does, it is about our role on the international stage, and contrary to what you might hear from someone else coming out of it later, i feel the uk has a huge role to play on the uk has a huge role to play on the international stage, working with other partners, working with european and other countries around the world, in pressing for a better future, whether that is for the environment or for global security, orfor environment or for global security, or for human environment or for global security, orfor human rights and environment or for global security, or for human rights and justice around the world, and we can play that leadership role by working with other countries. what we could also do is to introduce a carbon tax on carbon intensive imports, because actually it undermines two many fracturing if we are importing goods that are high carbon when british menu factoring can be supported to be low—carbon, and i think that would be a really positive thing to do because our government doesn't count the carbon impact of imported goods. wouldn't it be great if we did far more to produce more goods, more of ourfood did far more to produce more goods, more of our food locally support our farmers and manufacturers, and to be more resilient for the future, and to be leading the world in tackling what are the biggest issues of our time? ., ., ,., . ,, what are the biggest issues of our time? ., ., ,., . ~' ~' what are the biggest issues of our time? ., ., . ~' 4' ., time? point at the back. i think one ofthe time? point at the back. i think one of the things _ time? point at the back. i think one of the things is _ time? point at the back. i think one of the things is that _ time? point at the back. i think one of the things is that we _ time? point at the back. i think one of the things is that we are - 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maybe what should happen is, we buy a lot of products from china, and i a lot of products from china, and maybe _ a lot of products from china, and maybe some _ a lot of products from china, and maybe some of— a lot of products from china, and maybe some of the _ a lot of products from china, and maybe some of the 30% - a lot of products from china, and maybe some of the 30% should i a lot of products from china, and i maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated _ maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated to _ maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated to the — maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated to the countries _ maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated to the countries that - maybe some of the 30% should be at repeated to the countries that buy i repeated to the countries that buy from them, — repeated to the countries that buy from them, and _ repeated to the countries that buy from them, and then— repeated to the countries that buy from them, and then we - repeated to the countries that buy from them, and then we may- repeated to the countries that buy from them, and then we may stop buying _ from them, and then we may stop buying products— from them, and then we may stop buying products from _ from them, and then we may stop buying products from china - from them, and then we may stop buying products from china and i from them, and then we may stop buying products from china and toj buying products from china and to produce _ buying products from china and to produce them _ buying products from china and to produce them in— buying products from china and to produce them in this _ buying products from china and to produce them in this country, i buying products from china and to produce them in this country, on. buying products from china and to| produce them in this country, on a greener— produce them in this country, on a greener ievei _ produce them in this country, on a greener level-— greener level. could i 'ust add one oint to greener level. could i 'ust add one point to that. h greener level. could i 'ust add one point to that, which i greener level. could ijust add one point to that, which is _ greener level. could ijust add one point to that, which is that - greener level. could ijust add one point to that, which is that we i greener level. could ijust add one point to that, which is that we are | point to that, which is that we are talking about this in a global context and of course it is a global issue. but every action that we take to make ourselves more resilient as a country is good for britain and is good for the people who live there. if we insulate our homes to bring bills down, keep our homes warm, if we invest in public transport to reduce the cost of that, make it more convenient to get about by public transport, if we support our farmers to produce more food locally by putting proper subsidies in place, if we invest in renewable energy, which is the cheapest way to generate electricity, these things will tackle the root causes of the cost of living crisis, and they will create a more resilient future for people in this country. wouldn't that be a good thing for britain, regardless of the global leadership role that we have to play? let’s role that we have to play? let's take a question _ role that we have to play? let's take a question now— role that we have to play? let's take a question now from i role that we have to play? let's take a question now from keshia bailey. take a question now from keshia baile . ~ , . ., , ., ., bailey. with such a broad migration oli , bailey. with such a broad migration policy. how — bailey. with such a broad migration policy. how will— bailey. with such a broad migration policy, how will you _ bailey. with such a broad migration policy, how will you ensure - bailey. with such a broad migration policy, how will you ensure that i policy, how will you ensure that public _ policy, how will you ensure that public services _ policy, how will you ensure that public services will _ policy, how will you ensure that public services will cope? - policy, how will you ensure that public services will cope? let'sl public services will cope? let's talk about _ public services will cope? let's talk about your _ public services will cope? let's talk about your migration i public services will cope ?- talk about your migration policy, public services will cope ?_ talk about your migration policy, as the green party of england and wales. 0n the green party of england and wales. on your website, you talk about having a world without borders. and you also talk of migrants who come here would be able to bring dependence, there would be no limit on that. 50. to bring dependence, there would be no limit on that.— no limit on that. so, thank you for the question. _ no limit on that. so, thank you for the question, and, _ no limit on that. so, thank you for the question, and, yes, _ no limit on that. so, thank you for the question, and, yes, we i no limit on that. so, thank you for the question, and, yes, we do i no limit on that. so, thank you for| the question, and, yes, we do talk about people who gain a work permit being able to bring their spouses with them, i think that is absolutely right and humane that people should be able to do that. and i think we need to have a calm discussion in this country about how we approach the issue of migration. because we have always benefited from people coming to the uk. benefited economically... applause we benefit economic, we benefit socially, i'm sure we all know people who come to the uk to support us. and we only have to listen to the horrific comments that were exposed last night on channel 4 of people immediately around nigel farage, to remind ourselves ofjust what a stark future we could be heading in, if people back him and reform uk in this election. what does a world without borders look like? it's not statement any other mainstream party is making. can anyone who wants to come, come? you are quoting something people talk about is a long—term vision in a very different type of way, what i'm here to talk about tonight is our manifesto for this election for the next five years. i'm saying it's not something we think is realistic in this next five years of this next parliament. what we think is needed, there are a number of things that need to happen. the first thing we need to happen. the first thing we need to happen. the first thing we need to do is recognise in terms of people coming here to work, you are more likely to be treated by someone who is a migrant from another country in the nhs then you are to have a migrant in front of you in the queue and i've been spending the last few months supporting a close family member of mine who has been in the hospital, the norfolk and norwich hospital, now in the care system, and has had fantastic support from staff who are severely stretched in the nhs and i hope we get to talk about nhs funding later on but the point i'd make it our health system, our care system, are dependent on skilled people coming from other countries to run them, just as so many other sectors are, and so many sectors that have struggled in the last few years as employment and migration policies have changed since brexit, so we need to recognise and value the skills that people bring out the people that have supported my family and i'm sure yours, we need to welcome the skills they bring to this country. it’s welcome the skills they bring to this country-— welcome the skills they bring to this count . �* , ., ., ., ., this country. it's all well and good to say immigration _ this country. it's all well and good to say immigration is _ this country. it's all well and good to say immigration is great - this country. it's all well and good to say immigration is great but i this country. it's all well and good j to say immigration is great but for 12 years _ to say immigration is great but for 12 years in — to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a — to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a row— to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a row we've _ to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a row we've voted i to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a row we've voted on i to say immigration is great but for 12 years in a row we've voted on a| 12 years in a row we've voted on a mandate — 12 years in a row we've voted on a mandate that _ 12 years in a row we've voted on a mandate that would _ 12 years in a row we've voted on a mandate that would reduce - mandate that would reduce immigration _ mandate that would reduce immigration and _ mandate that would reduce immigration and it - mandate that would reduce immigration and it never. mandate that would reduce - immigration and it never happened. is it immigration and it never happened. is it your— immigration and it never happened. is it your opinion _ immigration and it never happened. is it your opinion we _ immigration and it never happened. is it your opinion we should - immigration and it never happened. is it your opinion we should forget i is it your opinion we should forget that and _ is it your opinion we should forget that and forget _ is it your opinion we should forget that and forget it's _ is it your opinion we should forget that and forget it's not _ is it your opinion we should forget that and forget it's not happened, j that and forget it's not happened, leave _ that and forget it's not happened, leave it _ that and forget it's not happened, leave it be? — that and forget it's not happened, leave it be?— that and forget it's not happened, leave it be? ., ., , ., leave it be? there are a number of issues we need _ leave it be? there are a number of issues we need to _ leave it be? there are a number of issues we need to address. - leave it be? there are a number of issues we need to address. we've | issues we need to address. we've talked about people coming here to work. if we look at why people are coming to seek asylum, which is a much smaller proportion of the migration but the one that often gets the attention, first of all i don't think anyone wants to see the horrific scenes where people are risking their lives coming across the channel on small boats and people often dying, being exploited by the horrific people smugglers who take advantage of people in very vulnerable situations. we have a proud record in this country of welcoming people who are fleeing war or persecution, or increasingly poverty, or changes in the climate, which is particularly affecting poorer countries around the world, and we need to play our role internationally working with all countries in the world in supporting a fair number of people who are seeking asylum, but we also need to look at what are the reasons why people are fleeing their homes. it is about poverty around the world, it is about war, it's about changes in the climb and that's why the green party is alone in this election in saying we would not only restore the international aid budget that this government so dreadfully cut, which so many conservative voters, let alone green voters and others are angry with, we would increase that budget and put more money into climate finance to support poorer countries in the world with adapting to the changes in the climate and the man you might hear from in the climate and the man you might hearfrom labour later on in the climate and the man you might hear from labour later on will talk down changes in the climate but if you're serious about making sure people around the world people don't need to leave their homes and we can address the real security challenges this country faces, the big issue people care about that i hear on the doorstep is that people know we need far stronger action to protect and defend our environment for future generations and it's only the green party that's willing to stand in this election and every vote the green party gets cross this country, every green mp that selected, will be a strong voice in parliament pushing that new government to be bolder in the way that's needed for defending our environment and putting on the funded that's needed for restoring our public services. there are quite few things in your manifesto, some of which people may not be aware of. hannah carroll. mr; not be aware of. hannah carroll. my question is, your manifesto mentions scrapping _ question is, your manifesto mentions scrapping the — question is, your manifesto mentions scrapping the prevent _ question is, your manifesto mentions scrapping the prevent programme. i question is, your manifesto mentions i scrapping the prevent programme. how are you _ scrapping the prevent programme. how are you planning — scrapping the prevent programme. how are you planning to— scrapping the prevent programme. how are you planning to tackle _ scrapping the prevent programme. how are you planning to tackle hate - are you planning to tackle hate crime, — are you planning to tackle hate crime. misogyny. _ are you planning to tackle hate i crime, misogyny, anti—semitism are you planning to tackle hate - crime, misogyny, anti—semitism and islamophobia? — crime, misogyny, anti—semitism and islamophobia? for— crime, misogyny, anti-semitism and islamophobia?_ islamophobia? for those not necessarily _ islamophobia? for those not necessarily up _ islamophobia? for those not necessarily up to _ islamophobia? for those not necessarily up to speed i islamophobia? for those not necessarily up to speed on . islamophobia? for those not i necessarily up to speed on the prevent programme, it aimed to stop individuals becoming terrorists, that its overall aim using local authorities, community organisations and police, and your plan is to scrap it? and police, and your plan is to scra it? , ~ and police, and your plan is to scra it? ,, ~ n and police, and your plan is to scra it? , ~ m a, and police, and your plan is to scra it? , ~' a, a, scrap it? thank you for that question — scrap it? thank you for that question and _ scrap it? thank you for that question and of— scrap it? thank you for that question and of course - scrap it? thank you for that question and of course all. scrap it? thank you for that l question and of course all of scrap it? thank you for that - question and of course all of the issues that you raise need to be taken incredibly seriously. misogyny, hate crimes, are growing, are a major issue in this country, violence against women and girls is a major issue, islamophobia is clearly a major issue and sadly the divisiveness we've seen in this election i fear can only play to extra divisions in society and we all have a role to play, whether that's politicians, whether it's any others in society to promote more harmonious approach.— harmonious approach. there is an issue in your _ harmonious approach. there is an issue in your own _ harmonious approach. there is an issue in your own party. _ harmonious approach. there is an issue in your own party. let's - harmonious approach. there is an issue in your own party. let's talkj issue in your own party. let's talk about some of your candidates. adam pugh, a candidate for deptford and lewisham and north tweeted about royal navy vessels sailing into the mediterranean support israel in gaza, he says, i hope they sink. you have natalie anderson, a candidate for woking, she said, reportedly, the 710 attacks, the october the 7th attacks on israel were orchestrated, simon anthony, a candidate for barking, compared hamas to the french resistance. they are still candidates. i assume you support their views? candidates. i assume you support theirviews? i candidates. i assume you support their views?— candidates. i assume you support their views? i don't support any of those use you've _ their views? i don't support any of those use you've just _ their views? i don't support any of those use you've just outlined, . those use you've just outlined, fiona was white why are they still candidates? if there have been concerns raised about particular candidates, as there have been with some of our candidates... candidates, as there have been with some of our candidates. . ._ some of our candidates... these concerns have — some of our candidates... these concerns have been _ some of our candidates... these concerns have been around. - some of our candidates... these l concerns have been around. these concerns have been around. these concerns are _ concerns have been around. these concerns are investigated - concerns have been around. these concerns are investigated through | concerns are investigated through the right channels in the party, they are separate from the party leadership which is a matter of good governance according to bodies like the ehrc. the governance according to bodies like the ehrc. . ., , . ~ the ehrc. the election is a week away- -- there — the ehrc. the election is a week away... there have _ the ehrc. the election is a week away... there have been - the ehrc. the election is a week. away... there have been instances where there _ away... there have been instances where there have _ away... there have been instances where there have been _ away... there have been instances where there have been green - away... there have been instances| where there have been green party candidates who were selected and are no longer going forward, five out of the candidates across england and wales. sadly, all parties have had candidates who were selected in the selection that have no longer gone forward. i'm very clear... just selection that have no longer gone forward. i'm very clear. . ._ forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear forward. i'm very clear. .. just to be clear for— forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear for all _ forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear for all of _ forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear for all of us, _ forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear for all of us, you've - forward. i'm very clear... just to be clear for all of us, you've got| forward. i'm very clear... just to l be clear for all of us, you've got a system in place, it'sjust under a week to the election, these three people with the views they've expressed, reportedly online, hoping that royal navy vessels think, comparing hamas to the french resistance, i've been reading about these people for some time, they are going to go ahead next thursday in your name and you are happy with that? i your name and you are happy with that? h, �* your name and you are happy with that? u, �* _, ., . your name and you are happy with that? �* _, ., . . that? i can't comment on what all 574 candidates _ that? i can't comment on what all 574 candidates across _ that? i can't comment on what all 574 candidates across the - that? i can't comment on what all 574 candidates across the country| 574 candidates across the country and i'm not familiar with those three. �* , , , . and i'm not familiar with those three. 3 , , . ., . three. it's in the public domain. the are three. it's in the public domain. the)! are being _ three. it's in the public domain. they are being investigated - they are being investigated internally, there have been a number of occasions where candidates have been asked to take down posts and have done so and there have been other cases where candidates have been asked to withdraw or have been withdrawn, but the general point i'd make is that we live at a time when internationally we are seeing absolutely horrific scenes in gaza. there is well over 35,000 people who have lost their lives. aid not getting through. people's homes being blown apart, horrific scenes we are seeing, just as the absolutely horrific attacks on israel on the 7th of october and the resulting taking of hostages is completely unjustified and i say that unequivocally, so what we need to be very aware of it talking about this as there arejewish communities and muslim communities in the uk and around the world who are feeling vulnerable and i'd say this to any party, all of us need to be aware of that when we are talking about this issue but that won't stop me standing up and saying the uk needs to play its role internationally and putting pressure for there to be a ceasefire from both sides and in saying it's absolutely unacceptable for the uk to continue selling arms to israel when the international criminal court has been very clear that israel, as well as hamas, has broken international law. applause i have to say, because we are in an election period and i mentioned some candidates, that a full list of candidates, that a full list of candidates for those constituencies is available on the bbc website stop let's take a question from adam norwood. whereabouts are you? hang on, we will get the mic to you. iud’ith on, we will get the mic to you. with a second trump _ on, we will get the mic to you. with a second trump government looking likely— a second trump government looking likely from _ a second trump government looking likely from the — a second trump government looking likely from the west _ a second trump government looking likely from the west and _ a second trump government looking likely from the west and war- a second trump government looking likely from the west and war inching closer— likely from the west and war inching closer from — likely from the west and war inching closer from the _ likely from the west and war inching closer from the east, _ likely from the west and war inching closer from the east, how _ likely from the west and war inching closer from the east, how will - likely from the west and war inchingj closer from the east, how will green defence _ closer from the east, how will green defence policies _ closer from the east, how will green defence policies keep— closer from the east, how will green defence policies keep us— closer from the east, how will green defence policies keep us safe? - closer from the east, how will green defence policies keep us safe? for. defence policies keep us safe? for those of defence policies keep us safe? those of you who might not be familiar with the green manifesto, you are suggesting we scrap trident, our nuclear deterrent.— you are suggesting we scrap trident, our nuclear deterrent. welcome adam, the first thing — our nuclear deterrent. welcome adam, the first thing you _ our nuclear deterrent. welcome adam, the first thing you talked _ our nuclear deterrent. welcome adam, the first thing you talked about - our nuclear deterrent. welcome adam, the first thing you talked about was - the first thing you talked about was the first thing you talked about was the prospect of a second trump term and watching the highlights from the debate last night, my heart sank, because clearly i want to see biden elected instead of trump, but there are clearly big question is now over whether people are going to get behind him and beat questions... how would green — behind him and beat questions... how would green defence policies keep us safe, that is the question, and you are suggesting scrapping trident. we are suggesting scrapping trident. - should listen to what a number of retired army generals have said and what former defence secretaries have said which is that trident no longer addresses the security challenges that we face today will stop it was for a different era. it doesn't address the global security challenge that we face either militarily or in terms of cyber security or other issues. now, of course i support retaining the rest of the defence budget and supporting our armed forces with the great work they do both to defend this country and humanitarian work around the world and there's going to be more and more sadly humanitarian work around the world for our armed forces to do, but supporting them directly is the way that we need to put in that funding. 50 directly is the way that we need to put in that funding.— put in that funding. so your co-leader. _ put in that funding. so your co-leader, carla _ put in that funding. so your co-leader, carla denyer, i put in that funding. so your i co-leader, carla denyer, was put in that funding. so your - co-leader, carla denyer, was talking co—leader, carla denyer, was talking on the radio very recently, and she expressed a view that having trident makes us more of a target for attack rather than a deterrent. is that a view you share?— rather than a deterrent. is that a view you share? well, i think that the uk has _ view you share? well, i think that the uk has long _ view you share? well, i think that the uk has long supported - view you share? well, i think that the uk has long supported the - view you share? well, i think that l the uk has long supported the idea that all countries that have a nuclear deterrent should work towards disarmament but interestingly this government hasn't actually taken any positive steps towards that. the actually taken any positive steps towards that.— actually taken any positive steps towards that. , ., ., ,~' towards that. the question i asked ou, do towards that. the question i asked you. do you _ towards that. the question i asked you. do you support _ towards that. the question i asked you, do you support your - towards that. the question i asked i you, do you support your co-leader's you, do you support your co—leader�*s view, that for the uk to have trident makes is more of a target? what i would say is that having nuclear weapons in the world clearly makes the world less safe than not having nuclear weapons. does makes the world less safe than not having nuclear weapons.— makes the world less safe than not having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more — having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more of— having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more of a _ having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more of a target? _ having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more of a target? do - having nuclear weapons. does it make the uk more of a target? do you - the uk more of a target? do you share your co—leader�*s view? the share your co-leader's view? the green party _ share your co-leader's view? the green party is — share your co-leader's view? the green party is in _ share your co—leader's view? the: green party is in favour of share your co—leader's view? tt9 green party is in favour of moving away from having a trident nuclear weapons system. you away from having a trident nuclear weapons system.— away from having a trident nuclear weapons system. you think it makes us more of — weapons system. you think it makes us more of a — weapons system. you think it makes us more of a target? _ weapons system. you think it makes us more of a target? because - weapons system. you think it makes us more of a target? because we - us more of a target? because we don't think— us more of a target? because we don't think it — us more of a target? because we don't think it reflects _ us more of a target? because we don't think it reflects the - don't think it reflects the international security challenges of today, and because they world with nuclear weapons is inherently less safe than a world without, but we need to work internationally to address this and we need to put the funding and focus on the armed forces that's actually going to address the security challenges we face. ~ �* :, ., ., ., ., face. we've got a minute and a half left, let's face. we've got a minute and a half left. let's take _ face. we've got a minute and a half left, let's take a _ face. we've got a minute and a half left, let's take a question _ face. we've got a minute and a half left, let's take a question from - left, let's take a question from sonia foxall. we'll get a microphone.— sonia foxall. we'll get a microhone. �* , microphone. i'm self employed, i see in corporation — microphone. i'm self employed, i see in corporation tax, _ microphone. i'm self employed, i see in corporation tax, in _ microphone. i'm self employed, i see in corporation tax, in dividend - microphone. i'm self employed, i see in corporation tax, in dividend tax - in corporation tax, in dividend tax and a _ in corporation tax, in dividend tax and a frozen — in corporation tax, in dividend tax and a frozen personal— in corporation tax, in dividend tax and a frozen personal allowance, i in corporation tax, in dividend tax . and a frozen personal allowance, and now you _ and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want — and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want to _ and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want to tax _ and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want to tax me _ and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want to tax me even - and a frozen personal allowance, and now you want to tax me even more. i now you want to tax me even more. why? _ now you want to tax me even more. wh ? :, ., , , ., , ., why? you are suggesting raising tax for hi . her why? you are suggesting raising tax for higher earners _ why? you are suggesting raising tax for higher earners and _ why? you are suggesting raising tax for higher earners and removing - why? you are suggesting raising tax for higher earners and removing the | for higher earners and removing the cap on national insurance which means an increase for those earning £50,270. :, ~ ,:, means an increase for those earning £50,270. ., ~ i. ., means an increase for those earning £50,270. ., ~ ., £50,270. thank you for your question. — £50,270. thank you for your question. we _ £50,270. thank you for your question, we are _ £50,270. thank you for your question, we are not - £50,270. thank you for your i question, we are not proposing £50,270. thank you for your - question, we are not proposing any changes to income tax, we are proposing asking those earning over £50,000 to pay a little bit more on national insurance because people who earn under £50,000 currently pay a higher proportion of their salary on national insurance than those earning over £50,000, is that we are talking £5 extra a week. at the moment people can't access an nhs dentist and if you can afford to do so you might be forking out for a private dentist. how much does that cost you over a year? how much does it cost over a year to pay extortionate train ticket prices because we are not investing in railways or to have to heat your home and see your bills going up every month because we have leakiest homes in europe and we haven't insulated them. we ask those earning a bit more to pay a little bit more including the multimillionaires and multimillionaires but it's a different type of society because we are the only party willing to say we should be willing to invest more in restoring our nhs and defending our environment and if we have a group of green mps in parliament after the election we can push the new government to be bolder on the issues we really need to address. we are out of time, thank you very much, adrian ramsay, thank you for taking our questions.— much, adrian ramsay, thank you for taking our questions. thank you very much. taking our questions. thank you very much- adrian — taking our questions. thank you very much. adrian ramsay, _ taking our questions. thank you very much. adrian ramsay, thank- taking our questions. thank you very much. adrian ramsay, thank you. i much. adrian ramsay, thank you. applause so, that is the first half of the programme. let's move on to our second half. i'd like you to welcome the leader of reform uk, nigel farage. applause so, asi so, as i said to adrian, nigel, i'll remind you you are here to answer questions from the audience, i will not interrupt you, that is my aim unless you are off the point or the question is not and said so let's start with the first question, from mark corden. start with the first question, from mark corden— start with the first question, from mark corden. hello, i like to know what is it about _ mark corden. hello, i like to know what is it about you _ mark corden. hello, i like to know what is it about you and _ mark corden. hello, i like to know what is it about you and your - mark corden. hello, i like to knowj what is it about you and your party that attracts — what is it about you and your party that attracts racists _ what is it about you and your party that attracts racists and _ that attracts racists and extremists, _ that attracts racists and extremists, whether. that attracts racists and l extremists, whether you that attracts racists and - extremists, whether you say you that attracts racists and _ extremists, whether you say you want them or— extremists, whether you say you want them or not? — them or not? applause i i have done more to drive the far right out of british politics than anybody else alive. i took on the bnp just over a anybody else alive. i took on the bnpjust over a decade anybody else alive. i took on the bnp just over a decade ago, i anybody else alive. i took on the bnpjust over a decade ago, i said to their voters, if this is a protest vote, but you don't support their racist agenda, don't vote for them, vote for me, we destroyed them. i have never allowed in parties i have led anybody who was even a member of an extremist organisation tojoin our even a member of an extremist organisation to join our parties. what happened over the last weekend was truly astonishing. a tie raid of invective abuse directed at the prime minister... i mean, the whole thing was unbelievable. it didn't ring true. sol thing was unbelievable. it didn't ring true. so i checked it out. it turns out the man that did this is an actor. he was contacted by the telegraph this morning, he denied he was an actor. we then found out, yes, actually he is an actor. he has worked in the past for channel 4. on his own site, he says... i am a well spoken actor with an alter ego. i do rough talking... from the minute he turned up in that office in clacton, and i saw him, he was acting from the very start. he even says on his website, hire me, i do undercover filming. this... let me finish. th filming. this... let me finish. in case people are not totally familiar with what you're talking about. these are the comments, and rishi sunak has reacted to them today. this is a total and to set up, which has been lepton of course by our political opponents, lepton by most of mainstream media. for political opponents, lept on by most of mainstream media.— political opponents, lepton by most of mainstream media. for those who mi . ht of mainstream media. for those who miaht not of mainstream media. for those who might not have _ of mainstream media. for those who might not have seen _ of mainstream media. for those who might not have seen the _ of mainstream media. for those who might not have seen the channel - of mainstream media. for those who might not have seen the channel 4 i might not have seen the channel 4 report. t might not have seen the channel 4 re ort. ~ , might not have seen the channel 4 re ort. ~' , ., might not have seen the channel 4 report—justin i report. i think they have! justin there was _ report. i think they have! justin there was a _ report. i think they have! justin there was a report _ report. i think they have! justin there was a report on _ report. i think they have! justin there was a report on channel i report. i think they have! justin| there was a report on channel 4 where a man saying he was a canvasser, saying some ca nvasser, saying some extraordinarily canvasser, saying some extraordinarily racist comments, and what you are saying now is that he is an actor, and that this is effectively a set—up. if i can just say, is a rose, we strongly stand by ourjournalism, i have to put their point of view, they are not here to answer. we met the man, andrew parker, for the first time at reform uk party headquarters, where he was a reform party can be so. they say they did not pay him, they did not know him, and that he was filmed covertly. so if it was a set—up, and you have been saying that clearly all day, who set it up? are you saying that channel 4 paid this guy? they are denying it. channel 4 used a production company, which of course gives them deniability. what i have no doubt about is that this guy was alter ego, i have even found this guy on tiktok this guy doing alf garnet kind of stuff, this was a comedy act, it was designed to hurt us, and sadly, some people believe it. , :, , , :, us, and sadly, some people believe it. let me promise you... so who do ou think it. let me promise you... so who do you think would _ it. let me promise you... so who do you think would have _ it. let me promise you... so who do you think would have done - it. let me promise you... so who do you think would have done this, - you think would have done this, nigel farage? t you think would have done this, nigel farage?— nigel farage? i have nothing to do with people _ nigel farage? i have nothing to do with people like — nigel farage? i have nothing to do with people like him _ nigel farage? i have nothing to do with people like him and _ nigel farage? i have nothing to do with people like him and he - with people like him and he is nothing to do with us. he is somebody who turned up, we did not know who he was, and by sheer coincidence he happened to get teamed up with channel 4, who he had worked for in the past. t’m teamed up with channel4, who he had worked for in the past.— worked for in the past. i'm sorry! in order for _ worked for in the past. i'm sorry! in order for this _ worked for in the past. i'm sorry! in order for this theory _ worked for in the past. i'm sorry! in order for this theory to - in order for this theory to be right... in order for this theory to be riuht. .. :, in order for this theory to be riuht... :, ., , right... light to the telegraph... what i am _ right... light to the telegraph... what i am saying _ right... light to the telegraph... what i am saying is, _ right... light to the telegraph... what i am saying is, in _ right... light to the telegraph... what i am saying is, in order - right... light to the telegraph... what i am saying is, in order for| what i am saying is, in orderfor what you are suggesting to be correct, someone, iam what you are suggesting to be correct, someone, i am assuming you are saying, you are being careful not to say it is channel 4, but someone must have paid this man basically to pretend to be a racist, and therefore to smear you, so that must be someone from within the media, is that what you are saying? may well have been the production company or it is the guy himself who wanted publicity. what i know is, this is a political set—up of astonishing proportions. this is a political set-up of astonishing proportions. what do you think of what — astonishing proportions. what do you think of what you _ astonishing proportions. what do you think of what you are _ astonishing proportions. what do you think of what you are hearing, - astonishing proportions. what do you think of what you are hearing, since i think of what you are hearing, since you asked the question? that think of what you are hearing, since you asked the question?— think of what you are hearing, since you asked the question? that is one examle you asked the question? that is one example from _ you asked the question? that is one example from today, _ you asked the question? that is one example from today, but _ you asked the question? that is one example from today, but what - you asked the question? that is one| example from today, but what about the multiple — example from today, but what about the multiple examples _ example from today, but what about the multiple examples from - the multiple examples from throughout— the multiple examples from throughout your— the multiple examples from throughout your career? - the multiple examples fromj throughout your career? i'm the multiple examples from - throughout your career? i'm asking about— throughout your career? i'm asking about everybody— throughout your career? i'm asking about everybody who _ throughout your career? i'm asking about everybody who has _ throughout your career? i'm asking about everybody who has said - throughout your career? i'm asking. about everybody who has said things about _ about everybody who has said things about shooting — about everybody who has said things about shooting people _ about everybody who has said things about shooting people coming - about shooting people coming acrossm _ about shooting people coming across... :, :, :, �* across... no, no, no. i'm sorry, thatwas— across... no, no, no. i'm sorry, that was what — across... no, no, no. i'm sorry, that was what that _ across... no, no, no. i'm sorry, that was what that man - across... no, no, no. i'm sorry, that was what that man said - that was what that man said yesterday. if you doubt what i am saying, i am yesterday. if you doubt what i am saying, iam back yesterday. if you doubt what i am saying, i am back in birmingham on sunday, we are holding an event, it will be the big event of this election campaign, i would love you to come along, our star speaker, who is a practising muslim, and a proud brit, and he is going to come along and explain to us why immigration and explain to us why immigration and relations between communities and relations between communities and the growth of extremism are the most important things in this campaign. and one more thing, when i went into the european parliament five years ago, at the head of 29 mp5, the biggest group in the mps, the biggest group in the whole of europe, ironically, they were the most diverse group of politicians ever seen in the european parliament. so i stand on my record. let's talk about your record. very clearly you have wanted to distance yourself from this man andrew parker. : , :, yourself from this man andrew parker.- let's - yourself from this man andrew parker.- let's talk - yourself from this man andrewi parker.- let's talk about parker. anyone. let's talk about some of your — parker. anyone. let's talk about some of your candidates. - parker. anyone. let's talk about some of your candidates. i - parker. anyone. let's talk about some of your candidates. i have | some of your candidates. i have thought long and hard about this, the kind of language that is ascribed to them, that is reportedly said, is not the kind of language i would ever use, but also we know what we are talking about and forgive me if i offend you at home, i am going to repeat some of it. leslie lily, candidate for southend east and rochford, said of migrants on small boats, more come entering the uk, i hope yourfamily get robbed and attacked. edward... your candidate for derbyshire dales... importing sub—saharan africans would dilute the iq of the country. your candidate, barnsley north, who says... and these are difficult words to say... black people of britain should get out off their lazy houses and stop acting like savages. i apologise to those offended by it.— savages. i apologise to those offended by it. these are your candidates. _ offended by it. these are your candidates. i— offended by it. these are your candidates. i do _ offended by it. these are your candidates. i do not— offended by it. these are your candidates. i do not know - offended by it. these are your candidates. i do not know any| offended by it. these are your i candidates. i do not know any of them, obviously for why are you still standing by them? as you just went through with the greens, every party has had problems with a snap election. we paid, i organised a professional london betting company, we paid them £145,000 upfront to vet our candidates, they didn't do it. because i think this was the first of a series of the establishment not wanting us to do well. —— vetting company. i am afraid i am seeing it from the russia hopes to what happened with this guy yesterday. that is not the question i am asking. what i am asking... and kia talked about what has been said by candidates. hang on, please answer this question, this has been widely reported, these comments, let me finish with these comments by your candidates have been widely reported, you do not need a vetting company, they are out there in the public domain, in the newspapers, online, why are they still standing as your candidates? t online, why are they still standing as your candidates?— as your candidates? i inherited a start-up party- _ as your candidates? i inherited a start-up party. remember - as your candidates? i inherited a start-up party. remember i - as your candidates? i inherited a | start-up party. rememberl have as your candidates? i inherited a - start-up party. rememberl have been start—up party. remember i have been doing this... itruth? start-up party. rememberl have been doing this- - -— doing this... why are they still standini doing this... why are they still standing as — doing this... why are they still standing as your _ doing this... why are they still standing as your candidates? i doing this... why are they still - standing as your candidates? they are not, standing as your candidates? they are not. they _ standing as your candidates? they are not, they have _ standing as your candidates? tt9 are not, they have been standing as your candidates? tt91 are not, they have been disowned, in most cases. people like lily, what he said is criminal. so most cases. people like lily, what he said is criminal.— he said is criminal. so why is he our he said is criminal. so why is he your candidate? _ he said is criminal. so why is he your candidate? i _ he said is criminal. so why is he your candidate? i have - he said is criminal. so why is he your candidate? i have no - he said is criminal. so why is he your candidate? i have no idea. | your candidate? i have no idea. you are the leader. _ your candidate? i have no idea. you are the leader. i— your candidate? i have no idea. you are the leader. i wasn't. _ your candidate? i have no idea. you are the leader. iwasn't. i— are the leader. iwasn't. i inherited _ are the leader. iwasn't. i inherited this. _ are the leader. iwasn't. i inherited this. it - are the leader. i wasn't. i inherited this. it was - are the leader. i wasn't. i inherited this. it was a i are the leader. iwasn't. i- inherited this. it was a start-up inherited this. it was a start—up party, i paid a professional london vetting company to read this out, the work was not done. we are a start—up, all start—ups have runs. now that i have pointed it out to you, are you going to withdraw your support for these people? t support for these people? i would not want anything _ support for these people? i would not want anything to _ support for these people? i would not want anything to do _ support for these people? i would not want anything to do with - support for these people? i would | not want anything to do with them. —— have wrong—�*uns. i want nothing to do with them. the -- have wrong-'uns. i want nothing to do with them.— to do with them. the man in the classes. to do with them. the man in the glasses- l _ to do with them. the man in the glasses. i know— to do with them. the man in the glasses. i know some _ to do with them. the man in the glasses. i know some of - to do with them. the man in the glasses. i know some of my - to do with them. the man in the i glasses. i know some of my friends that have start-up _ glasses. i know some of my friends that have start-up companies, - glasses. i know some of my friends that have start-up companies, but| that have start—up companies, but none _ that have start—up companies, but none of— that have start—up companies, but none of them _ that have start—up companies, but none of them employ _ that have start—up companies, but none of them employ a _ that have start—up companies, but none of them employ a whole - that have start—up companies, but| none of them employ a whole slew that have start—up companies, but i none of them employ a whole slew of massive _ none of them employ a whole slew of massive racists, _ none of them employ a whole slew of massive racists, like _ none of them employ a whole slew of massive racists, like you. _ none of them employ a whole slew of massive racists, like you. so... - massive racists, like you. so... applause— applause i credited you with more intelligence than to say it is an actor. t intelligence than to say it is an actor. :, intelligence than to say it is an actor. . :, ., :, i, , actor. i am not an actor myself but i want to defend _ actor. i am not an actor myself but i want to defend actors. _ actor. i am not an actor myself but i want to defend actors. not - actor. i am not an actor myself but i want to defend actors. not all - i want to defend actors. not all actors — i want to defend actors. not all actors are — i want to defend actors. not all actors are racist. _ i want to defend actors. not all actors are racist. probably - i want to defend actors. not all actors are racist. probably the i i want to defend actors. not all. actors are racist. probably the only actors _ actors are racist. probably the only actors who— actors are racist. probably the only actors who are _ actors are racist. probably the only actors who are racist _ actors are racist. probably the only actors who are racist are _ actors are racist. probably the only actors who are racist are the - actors are racist. probably the onlyj actors who are racist are the actors in your— actors who are racist are the actors in your party — actors who are racist are the actors in your party-— actors who are racist are the actors in your party. hang on a second. the labour candidate, _ in your party. hang on a second. the labour candidate, we _ in your party. hang on a second. the labour candidate, we are _ in your party. hang on a second. the labour candidate, we are talking - labour candidate, we are talking about clacton here, the labour candidate in clacton has made some deeply offensive racist remarks, so much so that keir starmer has banished him from the constituency and said, go to the midlands. so, you get people in all parties saying wrong things and bad things. wherever i find it, i always drive it out and i have done that in my career. , :, , it out and i have done that in my career. , . , , ., , career. they are still standing but from what i _ career. they are still standing but from what i understand _ career. they are still standing but from what i understand you - career. they are still standing but from what i understand you are i career. they are still standing but - from what i understand you are going to stop them standing for reform uk from now on. t to stop them standing for reform uk from now on-— from now on. i 'ust want to know, when are from now on. i 'ust want to know, when you — from now on. i just want to know, when are you actually _ from now on. i just want to know, when are you actually going - from now on. i just want to know, when are you actually going to i from now on. i just want to know, i when are you actually going to take responsiblllty— when are you actually going to take responsibility of— when are you actually going to take responsibility of your— when are you actually going to take responsibility of your actions - when are you actually going to take responsibility of your actions and i responsibility of your actions and say sorry— responsibility of your actions and say sorry and _ responsibility of your actions and say sorry and stop _ responsibility of your actions and say sorry and stop making - responsibility of your actions and i say sorry and stop making excuses? responsibility of your actions and - say sorry and stop making excuses? i am say sorry and stop making excuses? am not going to apologise to... i am not going to apologise for what... we will find out the full truth, but i promise you, what happened over the weekend, what was on the front page of the times today, is a setup, a deliberate attempt to smear us. when you look at it, what he said is almost unbelievable. a constant stream of invective, and he does this for a living, he does it professionally, and he came along, in his alter ego, and did it. it is wrong. tt in his alter ego, and did it. it is wroni. , :, ' :, , wrong. it is not1 million miles from what _ wrong. it is not1 million miles from what these _ wrong. it is not1 million miles from what these candidates i wrong. it is not1 million miles| from what these candidates are reportedly saying. the woman with the blonde have nigel farage, ijust have a question about being a paid actor. :, ., ., :, ., have a question about being a paid actor. :, . ., :, :, ., actor. you are also online on a website called _ actor. you are also online on a website called cameo - actor. you are also online on a website called cameo where i actor. you are also online on a i website called cameo where you record _ website called cameo where you record paid _ website called cameo where you record paid shorts _ website called cameo where you record paid shorts of— website called cameo where you record paid shorts of you - website called cameo where you record paid shorts of you doing i website called cameo where you i record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for— record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people _ record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people. i— record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people. i do. _ record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people. i do. i— record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people. i do. i was - record paid shorts of you doing pep talks for people. i do. i wasjust. talks for people. i do. i wasjust wondering, _ talks for people. i do. i wasjust wondering, the _ talks for people. i do. i wasjust wondering, the cheapest- talks for people. i do. i wasjust wondering, the cheapest one i talks for people. i do. i wasjusti wondering, the cheapest one you talks for people. i do. i wasjust- wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, _ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if_ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i_ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i paid _ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i paid you _ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i paid you £70 _ wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i paid you £70 now, - wondering, the cheapest one you do is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would| is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would you admit— is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would you admit that — is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would you admit that this _ is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would you admit that this country- is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would you admit that this country would i is £70, if i paid you £70 now, would| you admit that this country would be nothing _ you admit that this country would be nothing without _ you admit that this country would be nothing without our— you admit that this country would be nothing without our rich _ you admit that this country would be nothing without our rich history - you admit that this country would be nothing without our rich history of i nothing without our rich history of immigration? _ nothing without our rich history of immigration? l— nothing without our rich history of immigration?— nothing without our rich history of immigration? i will tell you what... applause i will tell you what, and this is what — i will tell you what, and this is what has _ i will tell you what, and this is what has gone _ i will tell you what, and this is what has gone wrong, - i will tell you what, and this is| what has gone wrong, because i will tell you what, and this is- what has gone wrong, because you talk about — what has gone wrong, because you talk about immigration, _ what has gone wrong, because you talk about immigration, and - what has gone wrong, because you talk about immigration, and it - what has gone wrong, because you talk about immigration, and it ranl talk about immigration, and it ran from _ talk about immigration, and it ran from after— talk about immigration, and it ran from after the _ talk about immigration, and it ran from after the war, _ talk about immigration, and it ran from after the war, up— talk about immigration, and it ran from after the war, up until- talk about immigration, and it ran from after the war, up until the i from after the war, up until the millennium, _ from after the war, up until the millennium, at _ from after the war, up until the i millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a from after the war, up until the - millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, _ millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it _ millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it work — millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it work in— millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it work. in fact, _ millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it work. in fact, we _ millennium, at 30,000—40,000 a year, and yes, it work. in fact, we had - and yes, it work. in fact, we had the most — and yes, it work. in fact, we had the most successful— and yes, it work. in fact, we hadj the most successful immigration policies — the most successful immigration policies of— the most successful immigration policies of any _ the most successful immigration policies of any country _ the most successful immigration policies of any country in - the most successful immigration policies of any country in the - the most successful immigration i policies of any country in the whole of europe — policies of any country in the whole of europe no— policies of any country in the whole of europe, no question _ policies of any country in the whole of europe, no question for- policies of any country in the whole of europe, no question for now, . policies of any country in the whole of europe, no question for now, iti of europe, no question for now, it is so _ of europe, no question for now, it is so totally — of europe, no question for now, it is so totally out _ of europe, no question for now, it is so totally out of _ of europe, no question for now, it is so totally out of control, - of europe, no question for now, it is so totally out of control, just i is so totally out of control, just think— is so totally out of control, just think about _ is so totally out of control, just think about this, _ is so totally out of control, just think about this, 2.5— is so totally out of control, just think about this, 2.5 million . is so totally out of control, just - think about this, 2.5 million people have come — think about this, 2.5 million people have come in— think about this, 2.5 million people have come in the _ think about this, 2.5 million people have come in the last _ think about this, 2.5 million people have come in the last two - think about this, 2.5 million people have come in the last two years. i think about this, 2.5 million people i have come in the last two years. you wonder— have come in the last two years. you wonder why— have come in the last two years. you wonder why you _ have come in the last two years. you wonder why you can't _ have come in the last two years. you wonder why you can't get _ have come in the last two years. you wonder why you can't get a _ have come in the last two years. you wonder why you can't get a house. i wonder why you can't get a house. you wonder— wonder why you can't get a house. you wonder why _ wonder why you can't get a house. you wonder why your— wonder why you can't get a house. you wonder why your rent - wonder why you can't get a house. you wonder why your rent has - wonder why you can't get a house. | you wonder why your rent has gone wonder why you can't get a house. - you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in _ you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for— you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for years. — you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for years, you _ you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for years, you wonder- you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for years, you wonder why - you wonder why your rent has gone up 25% in for years, you wonder why our. 25% in for years, you wonder why our infrastructure — 25% in for years, you wonder why our infrastructure is— 25% in for years, you wonder why our infrastructure is struggling. _ 25% in for years, you wonder why our infrastructure is struggling. you - infrastructure is struggling. you wonder— infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why— infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why we _ infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why we have _ infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why we have to - infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why we have to build i infrastructure is struggling. you wonder why we have to build a i infrastructure is struggling. you . wonder why we have to build a new house _ wonder why we have to build a new house every— wonder why we have to build a new house every two _ wonder why we have to build a new house every two minutes _ wonder why we have to build a new house every two minutes just - wonder why we have to build a new house every two minutes just to i wonder why we have to build a new. house every two minutes just to cope with the _ house every two minutes just to cope with the numbers. _ house every two minutes just to cope with the numbers. and _ house every two minutes just to cope with the numbers. and that - house every two minutes just to cope with the numbers. and that is- house every two minutes just to cope with the numbers. and that is the - with the numbers. and that is the issue _ with the numbers. and that is the issue it _ with the numbers. and that is the issue it is — with the numbers. and that is the issue. it is now— with the numbers. and that is the issue. it is now running _ with the numbers. and that is the issue. it is now running at- with the numbers. and that is the i issue. it is now running at numbers that are _ issue. it is now running at numbers that are literally— issue. it is now running at numbers that are literally unimaginable - that are literally unimaginable and are diminishing— that are literally unimaginable and are diminishing the _ that are literally unimaginable and are diminishing the quality- that are literally unimaginable and are diminishing the quality of- that are literally unimaginable and are diminishing the quality of life i are diminishing the quality of life of everybody _ are diminishing the quality of life of everybody in _ are diminishing the quality of life of everybody in this _ are diminishing the quality of life of everybody in this country, - are diminishing the quality of life of everybody in this country, and| of everybody in this country, and frankie — of everybody in this country, and frankie this _ of everybody in this country, and frankie, this should _ of everybody in this country, and frankie, this should be - of everybody in this country, and frankie, this should be the - of everybody in this country, and i frankie, this should be the biggest issue _ frankie, this should be the biggest issue of— frankie, this should be the biggest issue of this — frankie, this should be the biggest issue of this election _ frankie, this should be the biggest issue of this election for— frankie, this should be the biggest issue of this election for so - frankie, this should be the biggest issue of this election for so many. issue of this election for so many of you _ issue of this election for so many of you asked _ issue of this election for so many of you asked about _ issue of this election for so many of you asked about this - issue of this election for so many of you asked about this topic, - issue of this election for so many of you asked about this topic, i. issue of this election for so many. of you asked about this topic, i am going _ of you asked about this topic, i am going to _ of you asked about this topic, i am going to take — of you asked about this topic, i am going to take a _ of you asked about this topic, i am going to take a couple _ of you asked about this topic, i am going to take a couple more - of you asked about this topic, i am going to take a couple more and i of you asked about this topic, i am i going to take a couple more and then i will going to take a couple more and then i will move _ going to take a couple more and then i will move on — going to take a couple more and then i will move on l— going to take a couple more and then i will move on-_ i will move on. i have listened to ou talk i will move on. i have listened to you talk about _ i will move on. i have listened to you talk about how— i will move on. i have listened to you talk about how the _ i will move on. i have listened to - you talk about how the establishment are against you and about however thing _ are against you and about however thing is _ are against you and about however thing is a _ are against you and about however thing is a conspiracy theory, why can't _ thing is a conspiracy theory, why can't you — thing is a conspiracy theory, why can't you accept that it is your violent— can't you accept that it is your violent racist rhetoric that is causing _ violent racist rhetoric that is causing this, it is not the establishment.— causing this, it is not the establishment. �* , ., , establishment. i'm sorry, that is unfair and _ establishment. i'm sorry, that is unfair and wrong _ establishment. i'm sorry, that is unfair and wrong in _ establishment. i'm sorry, that is unfair and wrong in every - establishment. i'm sorry, that is unfair and wrong in every single | unfair and wrong in every single way. ijust talked they unfair and wrong in every single way. i just talked they are unfair and wrong in every single way. ijust talked they are moment ago about the immigration problem, which is numbers. i talked moment ago about zaheer yusuf, a practising muslim in britain who is the biggest donor to our party in this campaign. i talked about my previous history of helping to close down the bnp. i do not accept, sir, what you just said, for one moment. the do not accept, sir, what you 'ust said, for one moment.�* do not accept, sir, what you 'ust said, for one moment. the man in the shirt behind — said, for one moment. the man in the shirt behind you. _ said, for one moment. the man in the shirt behind you. you _ said, for one moment. the man in the shirt behind you. you said _ said, for one moment. the man in the shirt behind you. you said within - shirt behind you. you said within the last two _ shirt behind you. you said within the last two years, _ shirt behind you. you said within the last two years, my _ shirt behind you. you said within the last two years, my wife - shirt behind you. you said within the last two years, my wife is i shirt behind you. you said within the last two years, my wife is a l the last two years, my wife is a non-uk — the last two years, my wife is a non—uk national, _ the last two years, my wife is a non—uk national, she - the last two years, my wife is a non—uk national, she came - the last two years, my wife is a non—uk national, she came to| the last two years, my wife is a i non—uk national, she came to the the last two years, my wife is a - non—uk national, she came to the uk within— non—uk national, she came to the uk within the _ non—uk national, she came to the uk within the past— non—uk national, she came to the uk within the past two _ non—uk national, she came to the uk within the past two years, _ non—uk national, she came to the uk within the past two years, are - non—uk national, she came to the uk within the past two years, are you - within the past two years, are you saying _ within the past two years, are you saying that — within the past two years, are you saying that people _ within the past two years, are you saying that people like _ within the past two years, are you saying that people like her- within the past two years, are you saying that people like her are - within the past two years, are you | saying that people like her are not welcome _ saying that people like her are not welcome anymore? _ saying that people like her are not welcome anymore?— saying that people like her are not welcome anymore? what i am saying is welcome anymore? what i am saying is we cannot have — welcome anymore? what i am saying is we cannot have limitless _ welcome anymore? what i am saying is we cannot have limitless numbers - welcome anymore? what i am saying is we cannot have limitless numbers of i we cannot have limitless numbers of people coming into britain, it is making us poorer, it is diminishing our quality of life, we need to get back to where we were, where we had a sensible policy, where people came to us from friendly countries all over the world, and it was a success. we cannot go on with net migration running at three quarters of a million a year. despite, by the way, the conservatives promising in four consecutive manifestoes to reduce net migration to tens of thousands a year. the funny thing is, that keir starmer, on his six priorities, doesn't even talk about this issue. simply doesn't seem to care. and i think people arejoining up care. and i think people arejoining up the dots, that actually the overcrowded country we are living in is not working. itillie overcrowded country we are living in is not working-— is not working. we have got a iuestion is not working. we have got a question related _ is not working. we have got a question related to _ is not working. we have got a question related to that - is not working. we have got a question related to that but. is not working. we have got a i question related to that but first of all, i have to say yet again because we are in an election period that a full list of candidates for constituencies is available on the bbc website. dee williams, let's hear from you. bbc website. dee williams, let's hear from you-— bbc website. dee williams, let's hear from ou. hear from you. good evening, nigel. hello. hear from you. good evening, nigel. hello- your— hear from you. good evening, nigel. hello. your core _ hear from you. good evening, nigel. hello. your core pledge _ hear from you. good evening, nigel. hello. your core pledge concerning i hello. your core pledge concerning illeial hello. your core pledge concerning illegal migration _ hello. your core pledge concerning illegal migration states _ hello. your core pledge concerning illegal migration states that - illegal migration states that migrants _ illegal migration states that migrants in _ illegal migration states that migrants in small— illegal migration states that migrants in small boats - illegal migration states that i migrants in small boats could illegal migration states that - migrants in small boats could be returned — migrants in small boats could be returned to _ migrants in small boats could be returned to france. _ migrants in small boats could be returned to france. how- migrants in small boats could be returned to france. how will- migrants in small boats could be returned to france. how will you achieve — returned to france. how will you achieve this? _ returned to france. how will you achieve this?— achieve this? the son we have something _ achieve this? the son we have something called _ achieve this? the son we have something called the - achieve this? the son we have something called the royal. achieve this? the son we have - something called the royal marines, if it comes to it. but we will not need to do that. i was the first person four years ago going out into the channel filming this, saying there was a massive problem coming down the tracks. everybody ignored me, everybody laughed at me, but here we are, 4,000 votes later, 128,000 people later, 91% of them men, mostly young men. the question is askini men, mostly young men. the question is asking very — men, mostly young men. the question is asking very specifically, _ men, mostly young men. the question is asking very specifically, how- is asking very specifically, how will you return people to france for we won't do any of this, we want to deport anyone to rwanda, we will not solve the problem in any way at all until we leave a meddling court in strasbourg that has gone way beyond its powers. we have to leave... your talking about the european court of human rights. itillie talking about the european court of human rights-— human rights. we have to leave the euro ean human rights. we have to leave the european court _ human rights. we have to leave the european court of _ human rights. we have to leave the european court of human _ human rights. we have to leave the european court of human rights, i human rights. we have to leave the | european court of human rights, get back our own sovereignty, declare that anyone coming by this route will not get refugee status. and if that doesn't work, we will pick them up that doesn't work, we will pick them up in the channel and take them back. by the way we have given the french £500 million, they should not under the international law of the sea have their navy escorting boats to our 12 mile line. we need a tough negotiation with the french as well. the other parties literally have nothing to say about this because when we did try and send a plane to rwanda it was actually on the runway when the court intervened.— when the court intervened. you're returnini when the court intervened. you're returning these _ when the court intervened. you're returning these are _ when the court intervened. you're returning these are small - when the court intervened. you're returning these are small boats i when the court intervened. you'rej returning these are small boats to france _ returning these are small boats to france surely— returning these are small boats to france, surely that _ returning these are small boats to france, surely that is _ returning these are small boats to france, surely that is going - returning these are small boats to france, surely that is going to- returning these are small boats to france, surely that is going to bel france, surely that is going to be winning _ france, surely that is going to be winning ports _ france, surely that is going to be winning ports that _ france, surely that is going to be winning ports that are _ france, surely that is going to be winning ports that are going - france, surely that is going to be winning ports that are going to i winning ports that are going to accept — winning ports that are going to accept these _ winning ports that are going to accept these small— winning ports that are going to accept these small boats - winning ports that are going toj accept these small boats back, winning ports that are going to - accept these small boats back, how is that— accept these small boats back, how is that going — accept these small boats back, how is that going to _ accept these small boats back, how is that going to achieve, _ accept these small boats back, how is that going to achieve, where - accept these small boats back, how is that going to achieve, where arel is that going to achieve, where are these _ is that going to achieve, where are these winning _ is that going to achieve, where are these winning ports? _ is that going to achieve, where are these winning ports?— these winning ports? well, the australians _ these winning ports? well, the australians told _ these winning ports? well, the australians told the _ these winning ports? well, the australians told the boats - these winning ports? well, the australians told the boats backj these winning ports? well, the i australians told the boats back to indonesia 12 years ago, and that ended the problem. t indonesia 12 years ago, and that ended the problem.— indonesia 12 years ago, and that ended the problem. i think what dee is iiettin at ended the problem. i think what dee is getting at is. _ ended the problem. i think what dee is getting at is, france, _ ended the problem. i think what dee is getting at is, france, you - ended the problem. i think what dee is getting at is, france, you know, i is getting at is, france, you know, i am no diplomat for france, but france is unlikely to take kindly, as you said yourself, to the idea that you come along, you get the migrants into a boat, you then go back over to france, i don't know if you have got a london craft or something, the practicalities of it, and then they stepped out onto the sand, what happens at that moment, the french are just going to take them? the french are 'ust going to take them? , :, the french are 'ust going to take them? , ., . :, :, the french are 'ust going to take them? , :, ::, :, them? they have come from the sand but here is the — them? they have come from the sand but here is the point... _ them? they have come from the sand but here is the point... how _ them? they have come from the sand but here is the point... how is - them? they have come from the sand but here is the point... how is that i but here is the point... how is that iioin to but here is the point... how is that going to work? _ if they know they can't stay, they won't come. in the last year of the labour government they deported people. labour government they deported eo - le. , labour government they deported --eole. , :, �* labour government they deported --eole. , ., �* , people. they won't come if they can't stay. _ people. they won't come if they can't stay. dee _ people. they won't come if they can't stay, dee is _ people. they won't come if they can't stay, dee is asking - people. they won't come if they can't stay, dee is asking how i people. they won't come if they can't stay, dee is asking how it| can't stay, dee is asking how it will work, your plan is to put them in small boats and take them back to france, how is that practically going to happen? itillie france, how is that practically going to happen?— france, how is that practically going to happen? france, how is that practically iioin to ha en? ~ ., going to happen? we leave the eth are, we declare _ going to happen? we leave the eth are, we declare no _ going to happen? we leave the eth are, we declare no one _ going to happen? we leave the eth are, we declare no one who - going to happen? we leave the eth are, we declare no one who comes| going to happen? we leave the eth i are, we declare no one who comes via this route gets refugee status, by the way we've given 500,000 people refugee status since 2016, we are very generous, and we deport people anyone here illegally, as we used to, no more boats will come. if they do, we get the royal marines to take them back to the beaches from which they took off. i hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, that's what we have to do. very interesting that keir starmer echoed my words together night in the debate, he said it's a national security emergency. well, boy, he is right, because these are young men coming from countries plagued by terrorism, plagued by gang culture, many of them have fought in wars, and coming from countries that don't even treat women as citizens. it's a very, very serious situation.— women as citizens. it's a very, very serious situation. dee, have you had an answer to — serious situation. dee, have you had an answer to your _ serious situation. dee, have you had an answer to your question, - serious situation. dee, have you had an answer to your question, do - serious situation. dee, have you had an answer to your question, do you i an answer to your question, do you feel? :, .. , ., an answer to your question, do you feel? :, , ., ., , :, feel? not exactly, i have a vision ofthe feel? not exactly, i have a vision of the d-day _ feel? not exactly, i have a vision of the d-day landings _ feel? not exactly, i have a vision of the d-day landings in - feel? not exactly, i have a vision of the d-day landings in reverse| of the d—day landings in reverse off-loading _ of the d—day landings in reverse off—loading poor— of the d—day landings in reverse off—loading poor people - of the d—day landings in reverse off—loading poor people on- of the d—day landings in reverse off—loading poor people on the i of the d—day landings in reverse - off—loading poor people on the sands off—loading poor people on the sands of a beach _ off-loading poor people on the sands of a beach. , ., ., off-loading poor people on the sands of a beach. , . ., , _ of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel. _ of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel. if— of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel, if you _ of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel, if you had _ of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel, if you had to - of a beach. yes, the man in a stripy shirt? nigel, if you had to flee - shirt? nigel, if you had to flee persecution — shirt? nigel, if you had to flee persecution from _ shirt? nigel, if you had to flee persecution from the - shirt? nigel, if you had to flee persecution from the uk - shirt? nigel, if you had to flee persecution from the uk and i shirt? nigel, if you had to flee | persecution from the uk and to shirt? nigel, if you had to flee - persecution from the uk and to seek asylum _ persecution from the uk and to seek asylum in— persecution from the uk and to seek asylum in a — persecution from the uk and to seek asylum in a different country, how would _ asylum in a different country, how would you — asylum in a different country, how would you like to be treated? the wa we've would you like to be treated? tt9 way we've treated 500,000 people since 2016 and the way we did in the past with ugandan asians and the way we did a couple of times withjews fleeing russia or austria or germany. we, of all european countries, have always understood what a genuine refugee is. i promise you the vast majority of these young men crossing the english channel do not and never would have qualified as refugees. not and never would have qualified as refugees-— as refugees. let's take one more oint, i as refugees. let's take one more point. i presume _ as refugees. let's take one more point, i presume you _ as refugees. let's take one more point, i presume you are - as refugees. let's take one more point, i presume you are going i as refugees. let's take one more| point, i presume you are going to talk about this but the man in the black and white? talk about this but the man in the black and white? b, talk about this but the man in the black and white?— black and white? a lot of the laniiuae black and white? a lot of the language you _ black and white? a lot of the language you use _ black and white? a lot of the language you use about - black and white? a lot of the i language you use about political smear— language you use about political smear campaigns— language you use about political smear campaigns is— language you use about political smear campaigns is reminiscentj language you use about political. smear campaigns is reminiscent to language you use about political- smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump _ smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump in— smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump in america _ smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump in america. would _ smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump in america. would you - smear campaigns is reminiscent to me of trump in america. would you say. of trump in america. would you say you are _ of trump in america. would you say you are like—minded _ of trump in america. would you say you are like—minded characters? - of trump in america. would you sayl you are like—minded characters? no, you are like-minded characters? no, we are you are like—minded characters? we are incredibly different people, incredibly different people. i happen to support for one big reason. i think the world is in the more dangerous place than it's been at any time in the lifetimes of probably any of us in this room. i fear what is happening in the middle east, what is happening in ukraine, what potentially could happen in taiwan. i see iran, what potentially could happen in taiwan. isee iran, russia, china, lining up together. very fearful for where we might be and i think peace comes through strength and not through weakness and i think biden has been an incredibly weak american president. that was evidenced on that debate last night. i want someone strong but somebody who is a peacemaker. remember, the abraham accords with arab states of israel joining up together, that's why i support him. joining up together, that's why i support him-— joining up together, that's why i support him. joining up together, that's why i su--ort him. ~ :, ., , �*, support him. waseem choudary, let's take a question _ support him. waseem choudary, let's take a question from _ support him. waseem choudary, let's take a question from you, _ take a question from you, whereabouts are you? take a question from you, whereabouts are ou? ,., :, whereabouts are you? good evening, so ou whereabouts are you? good evening, so you claim — whereabouts are you? good evening, so you claim that _ whereabouts are you? good evening, so you claim that brexit _ whereabouts are you? good evening, so you claim that brexit will - whereabouts are you? good evening, so you claim that brexit will help - so you claim that brexit will help britain _ so you claim that brexit will help britain prosper~ _ so you claim that brexit will help britain prosper. why— so you claim that brexit will help britain prosper. why hasn't- so you claim that brexit will help britain prosper. why hasn't it? i so you claim that brexit will help| britain prosper. why hasn't it? in britain prosper. why hasn't it? economic terms, if you look at britain prosper. why hasn't it?“ economic terms, if you look at our exports, we've gone from the day we voted brexit to now from being the world's seventh biggest exporter to the world's fourth biggest exporter. not in trade, as i'm sure you'll concede. in services and gold, but not trade. :, , concede. in services and gold, but not trade. . , concede. in services and gold, but not trade._ i'm - concede. in services and gold, but not trade._ i'm so i not trade. trade is both. i'm so sor , not trade. trade is both. i'm so sorry. in _ not trade. trade is both. i'm so sorry, in goodes. _ not trade. trade is both. i'm so sorry, in goodes. in _ not trade. trade is both. i'm so sorry, in goodes. in goods, - not trade. trade is both. i'm so i sorry, in goodes. in goods, we've riven u- sorry, in goodes. in goods, we've given up manufacturing _ sorry, in goodes. in goods, we've given up manufacturing things - sorry, in goodes. in goods, we've given up manufacturing things is. given up manufacturing things is part of the reason for that, but i want to say this, there are two massive disappointments with brexit and one of them is economic. 5.5 million men and women in this country running small limited companies or acting as sole traders, living under a huge burdensome rule book, living under vat thresholds that are too low, damaging genuine growth and prosperity in the economy. those of those that voted brexit, those of us that saw an 80 seat majority for boris johnson brexit, those of us that saw an 80 seat majority for borisjohnson in 2019, the opportunity to free up those small businesses, to get rid of rules and regulations, the conservative government have done none of it and that is a huge regret. it's not a failure of brexit, it's a failure to deliver what people voted for. waseem choudary, _ what people voted for. waseem choudary, how _ what people voted for. waseem choudary, how did _ what people voted for. waseem choudary, how did you - what people voted for. waseem choudary, how did you vote - what people voted for. waseem choudary, how did you vote in . what people voted for. waseem . choudary, how did you vote in the what people voted for. waseem - choudary, how did you vote in the eu referendum if you don't mind me asking? t referendum if you don't mind me askini ? :, :, ., referendum if you don't mind me asking?_ and i referendum if you don't mind me | asking?_ and you asking? i voted to leave. and you are happy. _ asking? i voted to leave. and you are happy. or— asking? i voted to leave. and you are happy. or unhappy _ asking? i voted to leave. and you are happy, or unhappy with - asking? i voted to leave. and you are happy, or unhappy with what| are happy, or unhappy with what you're seeing now? t’m are happy, or unhappy with what you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand — you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand nigel— you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand nigel is _ you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand nigel is not _ you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand nigel is not the - you're seeing now? i'm unhappy, i understand nigel is not the prime| understand nigel is not the prime minister— understand nigel is not the prime minister but — understand nigel is not the prime minister but for— understand nigel is not the prime minister but for the _ understand nigel is not the prime minister but for the common - understand nigel is not the prime . minister but for the common working man or— minister but for the common working man or woman— minister but for the common working man or woman everything _ minister but for the common working man or woman everything is- minister but for the common working i man or woman everything is expensive now, man or woman everything is expensive now. people _ man or woman everything is expensive now. people are — man or woman everything is expensive now, people are struggling _ man or woman everything is expensive now, people are struggling with - man or woman everything is expensive now, people are struggling with the i now, people are struggling with the cost of— now, people are struggling with the cost of living — now, people are struggling with the cost of living crisis. _ now, people are struggling with the cost of living crisis. i— now, people are struggling with the cost of living crisis. i don't - now, people are struggling with the cost of living crisis. idon't think- cost of living crisis. i don't think what _ cost of living crisis. i don't think what is — cost of living crisis. i don't think what is needed _ cost of living crisis. i don't think what is needed at _ cost of living crisis. i don't think what is needed at the _ cost of living crisis. i don't think what is needed at the moment. cost of living crisis. i don't think- what is needed at the moment is so vast that— what is needed at the moment is so vast that i_ what is needed at the moment is so vast that i don't _ what is needed at the moment is so vast that i don't think _ what is needed at the moment is so vast that i don't think anyone - what is needed at the moment is so vast that i don't think anyone is - vast that i don't think anyone is really— vast that i don't think anyone is really putting _ vast that i don't think anyone is really putting anything - vast that i don't think anyone is really putting anything seriousl really putting anything serious forward — really putting anything serious forward and _ really putting anything serious forward and many _ really putting anything serious forward and many working - really putting anything serious. forward and many working class people — forward and many working class people look— forward and many working class people look to _ forward and many working class people look to you... _ forward and many working class people look to you... to - forward and many working class people look to you. . ._ forward and many working class i people look to you. . .- to people look to you... to nigel. to niel to people look to you... to nigel. to nigel to deliver _ people look to you... to nigel. to nigel to deliver on _ people look to you... to nigel. to nigel to deliver on brexit, - people look to you... to nigel. to nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm - people look to you... to nigel. to nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a i nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour— nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour voter _ nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour voter but— nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour voter but i— nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour voter but i voted - nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a labour voter but i voted for- nigel to deliver on brexit, i'm a i labour voter but i voted for brexit and i_ labour voter but i voted for brexit and i thought— labour voter but i voted for brexit and i thought things _ labour voter but i voted for brexit and i thought things would - labour voter but i voted for brexitj and i thought things would change but on _ and i thought things would change but on the — and i thought things would change but on the ground _ and i thought things would change but on the ground level— and i thought things would change but on the ground level if - and i thought things would change but on the ground level if you - and i thought things would change but on the ground level if you look at what's — but on the ground level if you look at what's happening _ but on the ground level if you look at what's happening in _ but on the ground level if you look at what's happening in the - but on the ground level if you lookl at what's happening in the country, there _ at what's happening in the country, there is— at what's happening in the country, there is a _ at what's happening in the country, there is a lot — at what's happening in the country, there is a lot of— at what's happening in the country, there is a lot of poverty— at what's happening in the country, there is a lot of poverty and - at what's happening in the country, there is a lot of poverty and a - at what's happening in the country, there is a lot of poverty and a lot i there is a lot of poverty and a lot of people — there is a lot of poverty and a lot of people who _ there is a lot of poverty and a lot of people who are _ there is a lot of poverty and a lot of people who are struggling - there is a lot of poverty and a lot of people who are struggling at i there is a lot of poverty and a lot i of people who are struggling at the moment— of people who are struggling at the moment and — of people who are struggling at the moment and who _ of people who are struggling at the moment and who cares _ of people who are struggling at the moment and who cares about - of people who are struggling at the i moment and who cares about them? of people who are struggling at the - moment and who cares about them? no one cares— moment and who cares about them? no one cares about — moment and who cares about them? no one cares about them _ moment and who cares about them? no one cares about them because - moment and who cares about them? no one cares about them because i- moment and who cares about them? no one cares about them because i think. one cares about them because i think you have _ one cares about them because i think you have one — one cares about them because i think you have one group— one cares about them because i think you have one group of— one cares about them because i think you have one group of people - one cares about them because i think you have one group of people who . you have one group of people who live a _ you have one group of people who live a certain — you have one group of people who live a certain way, _ you have one group of people who live a certain way, it's _ you have one group of people who live a certain way, it's a _ you have one group of people who live a certain way, it's a small- live a certain way, it's a small number— live a certain way, it's a small number of— live a certain way, it's a small number of people, _ live a certain way, it's a small number of people, and - live a certain way, it's a small number of people, and you i live a certain way, it's a small. number of people, and you have everybody — number of people, and you have everybody else _ number of people, and you have everybody else and _ number of people, and you have everybody else and i— number of people, and you have everybody else and i don't - number of people, and you have everybody else and i don't think| number of people, and you have. everybody else and i don't think it will resonate _ everybody else and i don't think it will resonate with _ everybody else and i don't think it will resonate with how— everybody else and i don't think it will resonate with how the - will resonate with how the average common— will resonate with how the average common man or— will resonate with how the average common man or woman in this- common man or woman in this country lives, _ common man or woman in this country lives, what he's talking about - lives, what he's talking about one issue. which— lives, what he's talking about one issue, which is a _ lives, what he's talking about one issue, which is a much wider- lives, what he's talking about one. issue, which is a much wider issue. itotally— issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get — issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get that _ issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get that and _ issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get that and that _ issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get that and that is - issue, which is a much wider issue. i totally get that and that is why. i totally get that and that is why the main policy platform, domestic policy platform that we are running on in this election, will make a huge difference to that group of people you are talking about, is to lift the threshold at which people start paying tax to £20,000 a year. why? because it means the lower paid and society will be better off and you've talked about increasing poverty... you've talked about increasing poverty- - -_ you've talked about increasing nove ~ :, :, poverty... wait a minute, can i challenge _ poverty... wait a minute, can i challenge you _ poverty... wait a minute, can i challenge you on _ poverty... wait a minute, can i challenge you on that - poverty... wait a minute, can i challenge you on that because | poverty... wait a minute, can i. challenge you on that because it's something you've said before, but you have got other people analysing your policies and the top 10% of households would would receive under your policy is 28p for every pound but the bottom 10% would only get two p for every pound so the richest households would be an increase of 4.3% for them but only 2.3% for the poorest so how is it benefiting the poorest? th poorest so how is it benefiting the oorest? , : ., , poorest? in percentage terms those who would benefit _ poorest? in percentage terms those who would benefit most _ poorest? in percentage terms those who would benefit most are - poorest? in percentage terms those who would benefit most are those i poorest? in percentage terms those | who would benefit most are those on low pay. but who would benefit most are those on low -a . �* :, who would benefit most are those on lowa. :, who would benefit most are those on low - . �* :, :,:, , low pay. but not according to others are some economists _ low pay. but not according to others are some economists who _ low pay. but not according to others are some economists who say - low pay. but not according to others are some economists who say it - low pay. but not according to others i are some economists who say it would be much more a percentage. itillie are some economists who say it would be much more a percentage.- be much more a percentage. we don't think staff nurses _ be much more a percentage. we don't think staff nurses and _ be much more a percentage. we don't think staff nurses and hospital - think staff nurses and hospital should pay 40% tax, right? people are being dragged into higher and higher taxes. you are being dragged into higher and highertaxes-_ higher taxes. you are saying my fiiures higher taxes. you are saying my figures are _ higher taxes. you are saying my figures are wrong, _ higher taxes. you are saying my figures are wrong, are - higher taxes. you are saying my figures are wrong, are you? - higher taxes. you are saying my figures are wrong, are you? in i figures are wrong, are you? t�*t percentage terms. figures are wrong, are you? in percentage terms. that's - figures are wrong, are you? in percentage terms. that's the l figures are wrong, are you? in - percentage terms. that's the ippr. let me tell — percentage terms. that's the ippr. let me tell you. — percentage terms. that's the ippr. let me tell you, benefits, - percentage terms. that's the ippr. let me tell you, benefits, 9.2 - let me tell you, benefits, 9.2 million people of working age not working. they are not all layabouts. there are many people, we all know people on benefits, who would love to get back to work, but if they work for more than 16 hours a week they lose their benefits. they are better off staying on benefit than going to work. they are the winners, they are the winners out of starting tax at £20,000 a year. mums with small children and many others. i tell you what, that would do more for the poorest in society, more than any of the other parties have even considered or discussed. woman at the back? — even considered or discussed. woman at the back? l'm _ even considered or discussed. woman at the back? i'm a _ even considered or discussed. woman at the back? i'm a doctor— even considered or discussed. woman at the back? i'm a doctor in _ even considered or discussed. woman at the back? i'm a doctor in the - at the back? i'm a doctor in the nhs, at the back? i'm a doctor in the nhs, my _ at the back? i'm a doctor in the nhs, my parents _ at the back? i'm a doctor in the nhs, my parents and _ at the back? i'm a doctor in the nhs, my parents and myself. at the back? i'm a doctor in the| nhs, my parents and myself are migrants — nhs, my parents and myself are migrants to— nhs, my parents and myself are migrants to this _ nhs, my parents and myself are migrants to this country. - nhs, my parents and myself are migrants to this country. you - nhs, my parents and myself are i migrants to this country. you said the reason — migrants to this country. you said the reason there _ migrants to this country. you said the reason there is _ migrants to this country. you said the reason there is waiting - migrants to this country. you said the reason there is waiting lists i the reason there is waiting lists for the — the reason there is waiting lists for the nhs _ the reason there is waiting lists for the nhs is _ the reason there is waiting lists for the nhs is not _ the reason there is waiting lists for the nhs is not enough - the reason there is waiting lists i for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough. — for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough. the _ for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough, the cost _ for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough, the cost of— for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough, the cost of living - for the nhs is not enough houses, not enough, the cost of living is. not enough, the cost of living is too high — not enough, the cost of living is too high is _ not enough, the cost of living is too high is because _ not enough, the cost of living is too high is because of— not enough, the cost of living is| too high is because of migrants, not enough, the cost of living is- too high is because of migrants, but since _ too high is because of migrants, but since brexit— too high is because of migrants, but since brexit there's _ too high is because of migrants, but since brexit there's been _ since brexit there's been shortages of critical— since brexit there's been shortages of critical medications _ since brexit there's been shortages of critical medications in _ since brexit there's been shortages of critical medications in the - since brexit there's been shortages of critical medications in the nhs, i of critical medications in the nhs, from _ of critical medications in the nhs, from what — of critical medications in the nhs, from what i — of critical medications in the nhs, from what i understand _ of critical medications in the nhs, from what i understand because i of critical medications in the nhs,| from what i understand because of supply— from what i understand because of supply to _ from what i understand because of supply to chain _ from what i understand because of supply to chain issues _ from what i understand because of supply to chain issues such - from what i understand because of supply to chain issues such as - from what i understand because of supply to chain issues such as ivy i supply to chain issues such as ivy paracetamol— supply to chain issues such as ivy paracetamol and _ supply to chain issues such as ivy paracetamol and other— supply to chain issues such as ivy i paracetamol and other medications that help _ paracetamol and other medications that help people _ paracetamol and other medications that help people not— paracetamol and other medications that help people not die, _ paracetamol and other medications that help people not die, as- paracetamol and other medications i that help people not die, as someone that help people not die, as someone that we _ that help people not die, as someone that we have — that help people not die, as someone that we have to— that help people not die, as someone that we have to thank— that help people not die, as someone that we have to thank for— that help people not die, as someone that we have to thank for brexit, - that we have to thank for brexit, what _ that we have to thank for brexit, what would — that we have to thank for brexit, what would you _ that we have to thank for brexit, what would you propose - that we have to thank for brexit, what would you propose that - that we have to thank for brexit, what would you propose that we | what would you propose that we should _ what would you propose that we should do — what would you propose that we should do about _ what would you propose that we should do about this? _ what would you propose that we should do about this? what- what would you propose that we should do about this?— what would you propose that we should do about this? what i blame for problems _ should do about this? what i blame for problems in _ should do about this? what i blame for problems in the _ should do about this? what i blame for problems in the nhs, _ should do about this? what i blame for problems in the nhs, i - should do about this? what i blame for problems in the nhs, i wasn't i for problems in the nhs, i wasn't blaming migrants, iwas blaming for problems in the nhs, i wasn't blaming migrants, i was blaming the population explosion, you know? we've had a 10 million increase in the british population since 1997, a 6 million increase since 2010, when the conservatives were elected. certain types of medication stock many— certain types of medication stock many people _ certain types of medication stock many people are _ certain types of medication stock many people are using _ certain types of medication stock many people are using them, - certain types of medication stock many people are using them, is. certain types of medication stock. many people are using them, is that what you _ many people are using them, is that what you are — many people are using them, is that what you are saying? _ many people are using them, is that what you are saying? the _ many people are using them, is that what you are saying?— what you are saying? the reason we have a waiting _ what you are saying? the reason we have a waiting list... _ what you are saying? the reason we have a waiting list... she _ what you are saying? the reason we have a waiting list... she is - what you are saying? the reason we have a waiting list... she is asking i have a waiting list... she is asking specifically — have a waiting list... she is asking specifically about _ have a waiting list... she is asking specifically about the _ have a waiting list... she is asking specifically about the difficulty, i specifically about the difficulty, she mentioned paracetamol, just so we are clear. tt’s she mentioned paracetamol, 'ust so we cem— she mentioned paracetamol, 'ust so we mi.— we are clear. it's not 'ust paracetamol, * we are clear. it's not 'ust paracetamol, it's i we are clear. it's notjust - paracetamol, it's medications that are critical— paracetamol, it's medications that are critical to _ paracetamol, it's medications that are critical to keeping _ paracetamol, it's medications that are critical to keeping people - are critical to keeping people alive — are critical to keeping people alive. : , :, are critical to keeping people alive. : ., : , alive. and you are saying brexit is wholl or alive. and you are saying brexit is wholly or partly — alive. and you are saying brexit is wholly or partly the _ alive. and you are saying brexit is wholly or partly the reason - alive. and you are saying brexit is wholly or partly the reason why i alive. and you are saying brexit is| wholly or partly the reason why it's harder to get those medications? t harder to get those medications? i remember being told before the harder to get those medications? t remember being told before the vote that we would get all sorts of diseases if we voted brexit but here is the point, freed from the european medicines agency and thank goodness we are and if as a doctor you believed in the vaccine roll—out, of course you will have noticed, there are questions about it, but you will have noticed our vaccine roll—out was way ahead of europe, why? we left the european union... , :, �* europe, why? we left the european union... i. �* :, europe, why? we left the european union... �* :, . , union... nigel, you're not answering her question. _ union... nigel, you're not answering her question, her— union... nigel, you're not answering her question, her question _ union... nigel, you're not answering her question, her question is - union... nigel, you're not answering her question, her question is a - her question, her question is a shortage of medicines. islate her question, her question is a shortage of medicines.- her question, her question is a shortage of medicines. we we are free to run — shortage of medicines. we we are free to run our _ shortage of medicines. we we are free to run our own _ shortage of medicines. we we are free to run our own procurement i free to run our own procurement policy which means we can buy whatever drugs we need from anywhere in the world without having to get them registered. tt’s in the world without having to get them registered.— in the world without having to get them registered. it's not working. if it's not working, _ them registered. it's not working. if it's not working, it's _ them registered. it's not working. if it's not working, it's rather - if it's not working, it's rather like back to the earlier point, we are now free, we are in charge, we can buy drugs from anywhere in the world. if the nhs is failing to do that, that is on them, not brexit. the man in the black t—shirt? hagar the man in the black t-shirt? how much better— the man in the black t-shirt? how much better off _ the man in the black t-shirt? how much better off are _ the man in the black t—shirt? how much better off are you because of the taxes _ much better off are you because of the taxes you don't have to pay through— the taxes you don't have to pay through the uk leaving the european union? _ through the uk leaving the european union? l�*rn _ through the uk leaving the european union? �* :, �* :, union? i'm not, i'm not, the opposite. — union? i'm not, i'm not, the opposite. you _ union? i'm not, i'm not, the opposite, you are _ union? i'm not, i'm not, the opposite, you are all- union? i'm not, i'm not, the opposite, you are all poorer| opposite, you are all poorer because, because the tax burden is for working people now the highest since 1948 and this is the trickery. i mentioned earlier about staff nurses. 40p tax was the top rate of tax in this country, right, from the mid—805 right through to the end of tony blair's time, and 1.5 million people paid that top rate of tax because of sleight of hand and freezing allowances, by the end of 2027 it will be 8 million people paying that level of tax. fascinatingly, both labour and conservatives agree they are going to keep the tax band is frozen. you will all be paying more tax on to the next government, whether it is labour or whether it is conservative.- labour or whether it is conservative. :, ., m conservative. the woman there? we heard from — conservative. the woman there? we heard from the _ conservative. the woman there? we heard from the green _ conservative. the woman there? we heard from the green party - conservative. the woman there? we heard from the green party before i heard from the green party before you and _ heard from the green party before you and to — heard from the green party before you and to me _ heard from the green party before you and to me they— heard from the green party before you and to me they felt _ heard from the green party before you and to me they felt full - heard from the green party before you and to me they felt full of - you and to me they felt full of hope — you and to me they felt full of hope. listening _ you and to me they felt full of hope. listening to _ you and to me they felt full of hope. listening to you, - you and to me they felt full of hope. listening to you, it - you and to me they felt full ofl hope. listening to you, it feels full of— hope. listening to you, it feels full of fear~ _ hope. listening to you, it feels full of fear. does _ hope. listening to you, it feels full of fear. does it _ hope. listening to you, it feels full of fear. does it bother- hope. listening to you, it feelsj full of fear. does it bother you, you live — full of fear. does it bother you, you live in _ full of fear. does it bother you, you live in an— full of fear. does it bother you, you live in an atmosphere - full of fear. does it bother you, you live in an atmosphere of. full of fear. does it bother you, i you live in an atmosphere of fear and people — you live in an atmosphere of fear and people vote _ you live in an atmosphere of fear and people vote for _ you live in an atmosphere of fear and people vote for you - you live in an atmosphere of fear and people vote for you because| you live in an atmosphere of fear- and people vote for you because they are worried _ and people vote for you because they are worried about _ and people vote for you because they are worried about what _ and people vote for you because they are worried about what will— and people vote for you because they are worried about what will happen? i are worried about what will happen? i are worried about what will happen? i want _ are worried about what will happen? i want to— are worried about what will happen? i want to help — are worried about what will happen? i want to help the _ are worried about what will happen? i want to help the poorest _ are worried about what will happen? i want to help the poorest in - i want to help the poorest in society, lift them out of society, get people off benefits which won't just help to me canonically but psychologically too. i want to get a grip on the population explosion so that for the nhs and others we can start to catch up. i want our young people, oursmall start to catch up. i want our young people, our small businesses, to be freed from regulation to, to become more profitable, actually what i am offering is, and look, we know labour are going to win, right? we've known from the start, labour will win. what i'm offering is a platform to campaign on for the next five years. it is positive, it is optimistic, it's about building a better britain but recognising that right now it's broken and the two micro—parties, two leading parties offer no solutions at all. the micro-parties, two leading parties offer no solutions at all.— offer no solutions at all. the man in the black _ offer no solutions at all. the man in the black t-shirt? _ offer no solutions at all. the man in the black t-shirt? nigel, - offer no solutions at all. the man in the black t-shirt? nigel, howl offer no solutions at all. the man i in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do ou lan in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to — in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to pay _ in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to pay for— in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to pay for it? _ in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to pay for it? like, - in the black t-shirt? nigel, how do you plan to pay for it? like, like, i you plan to pay for it? like, like, there _ you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is_ you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a — you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a lot _ you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a lot of— you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a lot of stuff _ you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a lot of stuff in _ you plan to pay for it? like, like, there is a lot of stuff in your- there is a lot of stuff in your manifesto, _ there is a lot of stuff in your manifesto, but _ there is a lot of stuff in your manifesto, but how- there is a lot of stuff in your manifesto, but how do - there is a lot of stuff in your manifesto, but how do you i there is a lot of stuff in your. manifesto, but how do you plan there is a lot of stuff in your- manifesto, but how do you plan to pay for _ manifesto, but how do you plan to pay for all — manifesto, but how do you plan to pay for all this— manifesto, but how do you plan to pay for all this stuff? _ manifesto, but how do you plan to pay for all this stuff? conservative�* pay for all this stuff? conservative and labour, — pay for all this stuff? conservative and labour, they— pay for all this stuff? conservative and labour, they are _ pay for all this stuff? conservative and labour, they are not - pay for all this stuff? conservative and labour, they are not offeringl and labour, they are not offering all these — and labour, they are not offering all these things— and labour, they are not offering all these things you _ and labour, they are not offering all these things you are - and labour, they are not offering all these things you are offering i and labour, they are not offering i all these things you are offering so how do— all these things you are offering so how do you — all these things you are offering so how do you plan _ all these things you are offering so how do you plan to _ all these things you are offering so how do you plan to pay— all these things you are offering so how do you plan to pay for- all these things you are offering so how do you plan to pay for it - all these things you are offering so how do you plan to pay for it all? l how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, — how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, iry— how do you plan to pay for it all? fairdos, irythe_ how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, by the way, _ how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, by the way, i— how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, by the way, i won't - how do you plan to pay for it all? fair dos, by the way, i won't call| fair dos, by the way, i won't call it a manifesto because the word association with manifesto is a lie so i'm calling it a contract that site just to be clear, contract has a legal status of the people here potentially could sue you if you don't do what you say. you might call it a contract, _ don't do what you say. you might call it a contract, by _ don't do what you say. you might call it a contract, by any - call it a contract, by any definition it's more like a manifesto.— definition it's more like a manifesto. ., , ., ., manifesto. point number one, a racket that _ manifesto. point number one, a racket that goes _ manifesto. point number one, a racket that goes on _ manifesto. point number one, a racket that goes on between - manifesto. point number one, a| racket that goes on between the manifesto. point number one, a - racket that goes on between the bank of england and the banks with their money, i'm nota big of england and the banks with their money, i'm not a big fan of the banks, as some might know, that's costing up to 35 millie —— £35 billion a year. point number two, the h has two project which is out of date for the modern world, i'd scrap the rest of that, we'd say £35 billion —— hsz. scrap the rest of that, we'd say £35 billion -- hs2-— billion -- h52. you will leave the hs2 that's _ billion -- h52. you will leave the h52 that's already _ billion -- h52. you will leave the h52 that's already been - billion -- h52. you will leave the h52 that's already been built, . billion -- h52. you will leave the l h52 that's already been built, that hsz that's already been built, that is going _ hsz that's already been built, that is going to — hsz that's already been built, that is going to be _ hsz that's already been built, that is going to be scrapped? - hsz that's already been built, that is going to be scrapped? trier?- h52 that's already been built, that is going to be scrapped? very often in life the first — is going to be scrapped? very often in life the first cut _ is going to be scrapped? very often in life the first cut is _ is going to be scrapped? very often in life the first cut is the _ is going to be scrapped? very often in life the first cut is the best - in life the first cut is the best cut. we started off with hs2 with a estimated bill of £38 billion, suddenly it could be £150 billion. money down the drain, essentially? rather— money down the drain, essentially? rather than— money down the drain, essentially? rather than putting _ money down the drain, essentially? rather than putting more _ money down the drain, essentially? rather than putting more money. money down the drain, essentially? i rather than putting more money down the drain but the big one is this, both parties want to decarbonise the grid. we are told by labour we can do it by 2030, by the conservatives we can do it for 2035. we can't. it's literally impossible. it's going to be the single most expensive thing we've ever done in the history of these islands. we can comfortably save £30 billion a year by growing up and being sensible and recognising, if we want carbon free energy, reliable, not intermittent, carbon free energy, the energy, reliable, not intermittent, carbon free energy, the only way to go is small modular nuclear reactors and that is the future i foresee. i'm afraid i have to cut you off there, nigel, forgive me, our time is up. half an hour, thank you very much, nigel farage, thank you, our audience. that is it. question time will be back on friday, picking over the election results. who knows where we will be them. now, from birmingham, from all of us here, goodbye. hello, i'm lucy grey. you're watching the context on bbc news. excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do... look, if we finally beat medicare... i don't walk as easy as i used to, i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know, i know how to tell the truth! cheering. we are living right now in a rats nest _ they are killing our people in new york, and california, and every state in the union because we don't have borders any more, every state is now a border. and with me tonight is my panel, chris morris — formely the bbc reality check editor, now ceo of full fact and anna mikhailova, deputy political editor at the mail on sunday. first — the latest headlines. president biden has come out fighting after his faltering performance during last night's us presidential debate telling supporters in north carolina 'i intend to win this election'. at times during his debate with donald trump, president biden — who's 81 — had difficulty in completing his sentences. ukrainian officials say one person has been killed and at least nine others injured when a russian missile struck an apartment block in the city of dnipro. the attack caused the collapse of the top floors of the nine— storey building. rescuers are at the scene. france is preparing to hold the first round of snap elections this weekend, with the hard right predicted to take first place. the french president, emmanuel macron, has warned that support for "extreme" parties on the right or left,

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