♪ good evening. you are watching a special edition of "the source" tonight. i'm kaitlan collins live in tel aviv alongside pamela brown in washington. israel does have the list of hostages set to be released on saturday, the second day of the temporary agreement they have struck with hamas. sources tell me there are several children on that list. though of course what actually happens remains to be seen. we saw it happen today. it was a minute by minute basis. right now we are hours away from what is expected to be day two of that expected four-day truce. we know that the first group of hostages held by hamas are back in israel tonight. they're receiving medical treatment after a journey that took them through egypt, and eventually here back home. that includes this children's hospital near tel aviv, where eight hostages are being treated tonight, four children, their mothers, and one grandmother. doctors are telling us they are in good condition. they are getting this initial medical assessment underway. in total today what we watched happen, 24 hostages, 13 israelis, 10 thai citizens, one filipino all evacuated earlier today from war-torn gaza. >> and of those released today, none were american. but despite that, president biden says he is hopeful that at least a few will be freed in the coming days. >> we don't know when that will occur, but we're going to be expecting it to occur. and we don't know what the list of all the hostages are and when they'll be released, but we know the numbers are going to be released. so, it is my hope and expectation it'll be soon. >> and of the ten americans that are unaccounted for, do you know all of their conditions? are they all alive? >> we don't know all of their conditions. >> by the end of this four-day pause in fighting, 50 hostages are expected to be freed. also part of the deal, dozens of palestinian prisoners will be released and critical aid will flow into gaza. >> i want to bring in cnn's chief global affairs correspondent, matthew chance, who has been covering this entire story closely today. what the we are seeing tonight is this video being put up by hamas, obviously a propaganda video. we should note there's all the caveats with this video. what do we see in it when it comes to how they're releasing the video? >> pretty extraordinary video. there's no sound on it. you just see the picture. you see the masked hamas gunmen dressed in military fatigues escorting their prisoners, the hostages, israelis and others, to the red cross, the international committee of the red cross, which is part of the handover, as the crowd is around them. you can see them jeering and taking photographs and things like that. it's particularly disturbing, couple of shots disturbing. there's one 9-year-old, ohad monder, little boy, being held, embraced by a masked gunman, as he's taken to the icrc. there's another shot as well of a lot of elderly people released today and hamas gunmen carrying one of these elderly women in his arms and putting them inside the truck. i mean, it's particularly disturbing because you've got to remember a lot of these people are from nir oz, which is a small kibbutz in southern israel near to gaza. and there were so many people there killed. 38 people there were killed, their neighbors, their friends, their family members. 77 people were abducted. so, there's been some kind of release today. but there's lots more neighbors that are still inside gaza being held by those same people essentially who are escorting them out. >> what i was struck by is the crowd around them in this video. it's not just the hamas fighters taking these hostages. there's all these people that you can see in the video surrounding them. >> yeah, i mean, look, they look very popular as well. it was one of the things that i think was making the hostages release look so traumatized. they looked stunned. they looked very worried. there's lots of people around them. we've all been in situations where there were noisy crowds around them. this must have been absolutely terrifying for them, people who have already been massively traumatized by what's happened to them on october 7th. and the conditions in which they've been kept over the past 49 days before they were released. some of them may not have even seen light. one of the things the israelis is telling us earlier is they have to give everybody eye tests to make sure their eyes had not deteriorated because they may have been deprived of light. >> this is just the beginning. we're expecting another list, if everything goes according to plan. is tomorrow going to look like what we saw today, where we were just watching with bated breath these different stops? >> i think the hope is it will go as it went today. when you think about it, the fact there was a pause in hostility today, the fact there was a release of the hostages, like the ones we just saw, the prisoners released from israeli jails, the delivery of aid, which is important as well, into gaza. i mean, that went remarkably well. there weren't really many hiccups in that. it played out. the hostages came out and they were alive. i think the hope is that can be repeated again and again and again. certainly we expect to see it in the next few days. the offer is there. if they can release more hostages, the israelis are willing to continue that pause. so, i think that's something that many people are aiming for. >> we'll wait to see what that looks like. matthew chance, thank you. great reporting today. of course tonight it's not just the families of the hostages that are rejoicing there. the families of those killed by hamas on october 7th, they're balancing the joy of seeing people now go free, now being reunited with their families, with also still processing the murder of their loved ones, still very fresh in their minds. one of those is tammy rahviv. her daughter and her daughter's boyfriend were murdered inside the home on october 7th. i want to thank you for joining me tonight given the circumstances. i can't imagine how hard it is to come on tell skprigs talk about this. i'm wondering what went through your mind as you were watching those people make it back home to israel today. >> thank you for having me. on one side, happy we're getting these kids and 30 people back and hopefully they all come back. but after the 7th of october, my feeling is i have a duty to tell what happened to my daughter and to make sure that the world doesn't forget that it happened on that day. >> i can promise you the world won't forget. can you tell us what happened to your daughter and her boyfriend? they had just been -- they'd only been living there for a few months, in moving into this kibbutz. but there was that day it happened. there was a phone call between you. can you just walk us through that? >> yeah. at 6:30 in the morning, we got a call, telephone call, that shooting from everywhere. she was terrified. she was under her bed. i didn't know what to do. i said stay under the bed, shut the door. and we didn't have any idea what was going on. around 10:00, her boyfriend said, please pray for us. and my husband got in the car and drove down to try to assist them, but he was stopped by policemen on the way. he told him the area became a war zone, and it was terrifying. we didn't know how to help. we knew she was in a terrible place with hundreds of thousands of hamas terrorists. and it was really unbearable fear. for three days we tried to assist them to get out of this -- we tried to send people to their place. and everyone told us that they cannot reach -- because the war is actually being on the home. so, we were hoping she's under the bed and managing to keep herself, both of them actually. and then on saturday, someone came to the house and said that there's no one there anymore. but we're hoping -- we were hoping that they were kidnapped. this is not something a normal mother would hope. but for three days, we also had some hope that they were still alive. but then on the 13th of october, we were told. four men came to our door and notified us that they were murdered. and they -- a few hours later, they notified her boyfriend the same, her boyfriend's parents, of course. and today we know it happened. we know their house was burned, and they had no choice but to try to escape through the window. there's actually a film that came out that someone managed to get of the situation. i didn't see it. but i was told what was seen. and she jumped out the window and he did. they were shot and killed on that morning, saturday. >> tami, i'm so sorry. and i know that days like today only revive that pain even more than it's already there. and i can promise you that everyone is keeping you in our thoughts, as you're processing this grief and just dealing with this unmanageable loss. and i'm so sorry. i just want to say thank you for joining me tonight to talk about it, and we're still thinking of you. tami raviv, thank you. >> thank you, thank you. i hope people do remember that day because it's a day that the world shouldn't ever forget. thank you for having me. >> absolutely. tami, thank you so much. of course there are so many families like tami's that are processing this today, seeing these hostages come home. the families of the hostages themselves are welcoming this in a bittersweet way. we'll talk about who those hostages are, who was in this first group, and why. we're also later hoping to speak with a friend of one of the hostages who was released today. what this moment means for them. that's after a quick break. you're watching a special edition of "the source" tonight. i'm kaitlan collins live on the ground here in tel aviv, as tonight 24 hostages who have lived through hell for seven weeks are now free and they are back home. but the majority of those who were taken on october 7th are not. they are still in gaza tonight, and that includes americans that we do believe are among those hostages. president biden spoke today after the successful release of this first group of hostages and said he is hopeful that at least some u.s. citizens will be included in the next group that's going to be released, which could be as soon as tomorrow. cnn's alex marquardt is tracking all of this from washington. alex, we heard from president biden, you know, the question is whether or not they have any indication of whether or not americans would actually be in this next group that we expect to be released on day two of this temporary agreement. >> well, kaitlan, if they do, they certainly aren't sharing it. and i think it's fair to say there was some disappointment today from the administration that none of these ten american hostages were released. i don't think there was necessarily an expectation because, as you know, hamas has been releasing the list of hostages to the israelis every night before the next day's release. and we understand that has happened again tonight. so, the question right now -- and this is one that we've been putting to the white house -- is whether they know if any americans are going to be released in this second wave tomorrow. now, we have not gotten a response back from the national security council or from the who was. what we have heard from president biden earlier today is that he is hoping and is expecting that the three americans who fall within this category of women and children, two women and young abigail edan, will come out in the next three days. of course this is a planned four-day pause, if everything goes according to plan. the administration is encouraged by what they have seen today. it's a good first step. president biden said earlier that has gone well so far. but of course they are waiting with bated breath to see these three americans get released by hamas. here's a little bit more of what he had to say. >> also remember all those who are still being held and renew our commitment to work for their release as well, two american women and one 4-year-old child, abigail, who remains among those missing. we also will not stop until we get these hostages brought home and an answer to their whereabouts. >> so, abigail edan, for these almost 50 days that she has been held by hamas in who knows what kind of awful conditions, she was just three years old. and then she turned four years old. today is her birthday. she will hopefully emerge from gaza in the next few days, at which point she will discover that her two parents were killed in the october 7th massacre. and one can only imagine how that news will be delivered and how she would receive it and how she will then grow up, of course, without those parents. but kaitlan, we are really trying to get a sense of what americans, if any, may be on this list that the israelis do have about who will be released tomorrow, kaitlan. >> everyone is just thinking about abigail's family. they just wanted her home on her birthday. alex, the other thing that stood out to me is president biden was speaking, he was asked, does he trust hamas. he said absolutely he doesn't. but he did sound hopeful about whether or not what is supposed to be this 96-hour truce in total could turn into something longer term. i mean, what's the anticipation among u.s. officials about whether or not that could actually happen? >> i think they really quite optimistic that it could extend beyond these 96 hours and we could see several more days of pause. this really is a quid pro quo, and that's the way it was designed. the biden administration has said there are incentives built into this deal. and essentially the more hostages that hamas releases, the longer the pause there is, the easier it will be for aid to get into gaza, the more palestinian prisoners will be released from israeli prisons. obviously those are -- you know, that's a real priority for hamas. the onus really is on hamas to come up with more hostages. they were clear that they were able to identify these 50 in this initial group, and they're going to be using these days of pauses to go out and try to identify more, find others who may be spread around elsewhere in the gaza strip, who may be with other groups, other factions, may be with gangs so they can release them. there really is an incentive for hamas to release more of these hostages. i thought that question about whether he trusts hamas was really interesting. he said, of course i don't trust hamas. he said hamas doesn't give a damn about the palestinian people. he said the only thing hamas responds to is pressure. it's interesting because that has been the israeli argument. israel was pressured in the beginning of this war to delay their effort, to delay their ground incursion, to give more time. but they thought that military pressure would get more hostages out. so, here he is making the israeli argument when in actual fact the deal that the u.s. actually helped in a major way to broker is really built on incentives and getting incentives to hamas so that they will release these more than 200 hostages, kaitlan. >> yeah. that's a good point. you hear that from israeli officials. they do believe that ground invasion going into gaza is what led them to this point. of course, you know, the question is the leverage that hamas continues to use with these hostages. alex marquardt, thank you. up next, children, their mothers, even their grandmothers, all being reunited with their families tonight. we have more on the hostages who are released today, their stories, what comes next for them right after a quick break. our special coverage continues. tonight, the president of the philippines confirming that 33-year-old filipino father of three was among those hostages released by hamas today. jimmy pacheco was the caretaker for -- on october 7th was murdered by hamas inside of his home, while jimmy, who was caring for him, was taken into gaza. tonight, for the first time, we are seeing the pictures of jimmy back in israel, being treated tonight at a hospital south of tel aviv. remarkable moments that you can see here. and joining me now is -- i just want to say, thank you for joining us tonight because i can't even imagine the whirlwind of emotions that have been happening for you and for your family today. what was -- how is jimmy doing, first up? what's his condition? what do you know about how he's doing? >> my brothers met with him. as far as i know, he's okay. i don't know, again -- i don't have any specific details. i know you can see in the picture that he's fine. he was talking to his wife tonight. so, again, better than expected, i would say. >> yeah. there's that picture. he's face timing with his wife and one of his daughters. and just having this chance, do you know if he's expected to be able to go home to see his family in the philippines? >> probably, yes. again, they're going to do some tests, medical tests and emotional tests and treatment. but, yes, most likely he will go to meet his family, i'm assuming. i didn't talk with him. >> what was your reaction when you found out that jimmy was going to be part of this group today that was getting released? >> so it actually came as a surprise because we knew that there were 13 being released, but they were all israelis with the israeli i.d. we knew there was some guys from thailand. we saw his picture in the videos this morning. and then among brothers, we talked about it. we verified with his wife later. so, we were very, very happy, obviously, to see, but it was a surprise to us. we didn't know. >> yeah. i think it was a surprise to everyone. and just -- i want everyone to know the relationship that your dad and jimmy had. i mean, that day on october 7th, when hamas came into the kibbutz, jimmy was with your dad. he was the one messaging with your sister, i believe, about what was going on and initially saying that they were okay, they were in the shelter. and then all of a sudden saying that the terrorists had broken into the home. >> yes. and both my brother and sister were in touch with him on whatsapp the morning of the attack. and my sister is in california and one of my brothers is in israel. both of them were chatting in whatsapp. at first, jimmy told everyone that they got to the safe room on time, even sent a picture of my father lying on the bed in the safe room watching tv. and my brother and sister asking to hold the door, obviously. later he sent another picture of a mess in the house and that he was afraid. and i think at some point we just -- they just couldn't hear any more replies to messages. at least on the whatsapp, that's how it ended. a few hours later, we got a message that he was able to send to one of his relatives that told us that my father was shot and that she was kidnapped. and a few hours later in the day, we saw a short video of him in gaza with his hands cuffed. >> the story, i mean, is just -- the fact this is someone who had worked with your dad for several years, there were all these photos that your sister had posted of the two of them together. you could just see the close relationship that they had. and now the fact that he's been released today, i mean, it must be a bittersweet moment for you, i imagine. >> it's a mix. again, we are very, very excited about the release. but obviously that's only the begin. we are part of kibbutz nir oz community, as you probably know. and in this community, there are many more still awaiting to be released. and we know all of them. i grew up in this kibbutz. i was there until i was 25. i know all the people who are either murdered or kidnapped. and this is just the beginning. we have to wait until each and every one of them will be released. that's how it should go. so, it's a mixed reaction. we are very excited, very happy for jimmy. but we are very much concerned about the rest of the group still there. >> i mean, 12 of the 13 that were released today, the israeli hostages, were from nir oz. obviously nir oz suffered some of the worst damage that day. so many of them are still there. i mean, what goes through your mind when you think about how many of your dad's neighbors were not only murdered that day alongside your father, but also that were kidnapped into gaza? >> we are devastated, obviously, again. and we are angry about the state. there was almost no gunshots in the kibbutz while the terrorists were there inside. they could do whatever they wanted. you could see in the other videos. when the army came to try to help, it was too late. the terrorists were already gone. they were able to take their bodies with them. so, we are still very much angry about the reality, about the fact that it was not treated the way it should have been. but, again, we are waiting for them to be released. that's how we want it. it's the duty of the country, of the state, of israel to release each and every one of them. >> jimmy is someone who spent your dad's final moments with him. what do you want people to know about your dad tonight? >> my dad was -- he spent about 15 years in the kibbutz. this is how he chose to live his life. he was a truck driver. he drove a truck all over israel. by the way, he was an american citizen also. okay. he was born in the states. his parents were american. he even voted in the election in 2016 in here. and my dad was a person of peace. again, i don't think he was very quiet. he didn't talk much. he was also -- couldn't talk and communicate very much. but he understood everything. so, obviously, again, we are very sad for what happened to him and we are very concerned about the others still. >> we're also grateful that jimmy is home tonight to see these remarkable images of him in a hospital in israel tonight after what he's been through. thank you for joining me to talk about jimmy and about your dad tonight. >> thank you. up next, what happens after this four-day truce? these 96 hours, if it holds? there's a question, does it keep going? could we see more hostages released? that is a pertinent question here foror so many of these families. more on that when we're back in just a moment. israel's chief nurse said there wasn't a dry eye in the room, as hostages were reunited with their families today. the 13 israeli hostages released, all women and children, who have been held captive for nearly seven weeks. we're learning more about just who these people are. a lot of them come from kibbutz nir oz. we were just speaking with the family of am tie, who was killed there. the list today that was released from hamas today includes 9-year-old ohad monder, who celebrated his birthday in captivity. his grandfather is still believed to be held in gaza tonight. danielle aloni and her 5-year-old daughter, emilia, are also free. four of their family members also remain in captivity tonight. 85-year-old yafa ader lived on the kibbutz nir oz, along with 11 other hostages released. margalit mozes, she's home tonight. also 79-year-old hannah perry. one of her children was murdered on october 7th. another tonight is still being held by hamas. doron katz-asher, along with her two daughters also back in israel tonight. hanna katzir and adina moshe also among those released tonight. obviously you can see what a bittersweet moment this is for so many of these families. joining me now, former foreign policy adviser in the george w. bush administration, also the co-author of the timely book "the genius of israel" that just came out last month. dan, first of all, let me just get your reaction to what we've seen today, these hostages, not just the 13 israeli hostages, also the 11 others, the thai nationals, the filipino that have all been released today. what's your reaction to what you saw? >> my reaction, kaitlan, is this has been a country that's been in trauma, a people that's been in trauma since october 7th, and a country that's been at war. and i think the war and the task at hand has, kind of, muted, for many people, many israelis, just the trauma it is going through. and i feel like the last few hours, there's obviously been a pause in the war fighting. and the real trauma of what israel is dealing with in the some 50 days since october 7th and will be dealing with for an extremely long time, is israelis settling in in ways that i think is for those of us not in israel day to day but in touch with israels is sometimes hard to imagine. for every one israeli, there's about 35 americans. so, this would be equivalent over the next few days in terms of the hostages being released to 1,750 americans, just on a proportional basis, being released. just imagine 1,750 americans being release ed. most of them, as we're seeing, are women, elderly women, and children. and while that's happening, israelis know that there are still the equivalent, in proportional terms, to it would be like over 40,000 americans still being held hostage. for you and me, that would be like -- we would -- everyone we know would know someone connected to it. and i think that's what israelis are experiencing now. as these people are coming home, the reality of this trauma, the trauma that will be permeating israeli society in ways that se connect, almost every single israeli, it's like nothing israel has ever experienced. >> yeah. and just to think of the more than 200 that are still being held in gaza by hamas. i mean, as this pause is going on, though, as we've seen, you know, it is so quiet here in tel aviv. typically -- the last time i was here, you could hear the activity that was happening in the south in gaza. it's not a stretch that international pressure is going to intensify on israel and also by extension the u.s. to potentially keep this pause going for longer than just the 96 hours. i wonder how you see that potentially playing out. >> you know, i've gone back and forth quite a bit on this particular point because, sort of, the opportunity and the danger, the promise and the peril for israel is that after these four days, hamas, you know, sinwar, the leader of hamas will basically say, okay, ten more hostages, another day of ceasefire. one more hostage, another day of ceasefire. a few more hostages a week of ceasefire. in a sense, sinwar controls the clock now, because he's starting to demonstrate that handing over hostages, he buys time. i think being over there, you're sensing that despite this desire, this urgency to get hostages back, there is also an urgency to eradicate hamas, to remove this threat from the south. and i just think that even though there will be pressure on israel and opportunities for israel to pause, extend the pause, to almost have, like, a slow walk into a semipermanent ceasefire, i don't think that's on the table. i think, despite the pressure, the mindset in israel, the p political consensus in israel from right to left, all the way to the left and you move all the way to the right, there's basically not much difference between the various players and various parties across the political spectrum as it relates to a ceasefire, as it relates to responding to the international pressure dealing with a possible ceasefire. look, there's differences on some of the rhetoric that's being used by some of the left that are critical, some on the right. in terms of whether or not there should be a ceasefire, i think there is no appetite for that anywhere in the political spectrum. and i think that reflects the broad israeli consensus that they really let their guard down in the south, in the relationship with hamas, and that they will never let that happen again. i'm not saying they won't let that happen again. the mindset is they have to do everything in their control to not let that happen again. that's why their attitude is international pressure be damned. >> so, we heard from prime minister netanyahu tonight saying that one of the war goals is to get all the hostages home. that is something they want to happen. the other one is what you just mentioned there, eradicating hamas. can both of those things be achieved, though, realistically? >> you know, it's a great question. it's one i've been wrestling with since october 7th. the israelis say that. they say we have twin goals, which is eradicate hamas and get the hostages back. sometimes some members of the war cabinet actually say the primary goal is getting the hostages back. gad i did eisen cot said apparently in private meetings, the goal is to get the hostages back. by and large, the attitude is both goals. what i've been wrestling with is do those two goals conflict with one another or reinforce one another? i believe they conflict with one another. if your sole goal is to eradicate hamas, you have to do that differently when you know that hostages hang in the balance. it's just the nature of the war fighting. the operational decisions you make are different when you know there are hostages in those tunnels you are trying to get home. or there's a possibility for negotiating to get them home. i think one bright spot of the last couple weeks from israel's perspective is there may be a case to be made that the two goals reinforce one another. that is to say that sinwar and deif, the leaders of hamas in gaza, would never have accepted this deal in the early days of the war fighting. and it's purely a result of how successful the idf has been at least in north gaza, that the leadership of hamas in gaza feels under so much pressure that they were willing to start negotiating this aggressively. so, there is a case to be made. i've been skeptical of this case. i must say the last few days have demonstrated perhaps that there's a case to be made that the success of the israeli war fighting in the pursuit of hamas has actually delivered results on the hostage front they otherwise may not have. >> we'll see what happens there. obviously time will tell on that front. dan senor, as always, thank you. >> thanks, kaitlan. it may be quiet in gaza tonight, but hezbollah fired dozens of rockets at a base in northern israel just yesterday. there are major questions tonight about how that could complicate efforts to free more hostages, what that means given they're not party to this temporary truce that's underway. we'll discuss it with our expert right after this. the truce to led to some two dozen hostages returning to israel is between the idf and hamas, but just yesterday hezbollah fired dozens of rockets at a base in northern israel. i'm joined by retired u.s. air force colonel cedric leighton. give us perspective. hezbollah launched nine other attacks on israeli military posts yesterday. how does the truce between israel and hamas fit into the broader regional picture here? >> yeah, pam, that's a very good question because hezbollah is not a party, as you mentioned, to this truce between hamas and israel. hezbollah is kind of watching what's going on here. they're looking at this from the standpoint of, do i enter israel at this point? do i attack israel? or do i put the kettle on a low boil just to keep the israelis occupied? and that seems to be what they're doing. they're trying to, in essence, foment a degree of tension in the north so that israel is at least paying attention to them and to some extent even a little bit distracted from a military standpoint. we in the press are covering it, covering the hostage situation, covering the south quite well. but in the north, the forces from hezbollah are kind of poised to go in and perhaps do a little bit of damage in the north while we're focused on other things. >> and hezbollah's leader met with iran's foreign minister yesterday. what does that signal to you? >> well, they're clearly coordinating. and you know, it's no secret that hezbollah is part of, in essence, the iranian axis of influence throughout the middle east. iran has influence over hezbollah, a great deal of influence over hezbollah, and some influence over hamas. they work with syria, and there is a big relationship with some of the paramilitary forces in iraq. so iran has a lot of tentacles out in the rest of the middle east, and they are in essence looking to foment just enough conflict in these areas so that they keep israel occupied, because they -- their stated goal is to eliminate the jewish state. plus they also want to keep america occupied. they want to make sure when we are engaged that it's dangerous for us that we put our forces at risk. that's why you're seeing a lot of attacks on american bases in iraq and syria. that's the kind of things the iranians like to do because they want to keep us somewhat engaged but not so engaged there's actually a broad shooting war, at least at the moment that's the way they're looking at it right now. >> all right, colonel cedric leighton, thank you so much. >> you bet, pam. we're just hours away from the next expected release of hostages. israel has that list of names, and we'll have the very latest on that. plus more on how today's newly freed former hostages are doing. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. good evening and welcome to a special edition of "the source." i'm kaitlan collins live in tel aviv alongside pamela brown in washington. new tonight, israel now has the list of hostages who are supposed to be released saturday. we don't know details yet but we're hearing from sources who are telling me several children are on that list. it's all expected to start again just hours from now as part of this expected four-day truce. one big question we still don't have an answer to yet and we have not heard anything from the white house on is whether or not americans will be included in this next group. as for today's 24 freed hostages, they are back on israeli soil tonight receiving medical treatment, being reunited with their families. eight hostages, four children, three mothers, one grandmother. they're at this children's hospital you can see here near tel aviv. we're hearing from doctors