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self-centered point of view. >> mickey rourke no holds barred and the original super model on her naughty past. >> what makes you think i was a nice little girl? >> her husband seal. >> we did find each other in a lobby in a hotel in new york city and we were like two magnets like this. >> and you voted for barack obama? >> i did. >> and the beautiful and rather cheeky heidi klum. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> mickey rourke has done more than most eever dream of. in the middle of this dazzling career, why go get beaten in the head? >> the facting wasn't fun anymore and i saw too much gray and the politics and mediocritiy of it wasn't something that i enjoyed. >> neither was boxing. >> i started out and got hurt and then i did acting. i had just done a film. i think i had done "angel heart ". it was a tough film but it had integrity and a really great director and actors in it and then i waited i think about a year or two or something like that for something that i could respect to do again and nothing came around and i bought a big house that, whole number and i had a big car and all that [ bleep ] and a big entourage that was useless. the next thing i know, the accountant is screaming at me, you have to go to work, so i took this piece of crap that i hated, "the marlborough man." don johnson was in it. he was fantastic. but the director was a turd. i hated it. i said i can't do this anymore. i wasn't behaving the right way. i wasn't being professional, i wasn't accountable. there were no consequences, no rules. i thought before i just -- i had completely burnt all the bridges but i thought maybe i didn't. so i thought maybe i should take a little hiatus so i don't ruin it all. it was already ruined. >> how did it go, the boxing? >> it went good. we had a dozen fights over five years. we had nine wins and two draws and six knockouts and we did good. i had freddy roach -- >> fantastic character. did you ever think you could have been a proper contestant? >> i never say could have, would have, should have. i accomplished what i needed to accomplish going back at the age i accomplished, that's about all i could accomplish if that makes sense to you. >> but what does it give you, that feel wlug get in the ring? >> i needed the discipline. i didn't have that. i didn't know what to do with myself when i got up in the morning. i didn't know what to do in the afternoon. i was up all night. i was burning the candle at both ends. i needed something to center me. the acting want doing it, staying on my motorcycle wasn't doing it. it was time to park my bike. i don't like to use the word reinvent myself because i don't believe that but i needed something different. >> you had just come to the end of the "wrestler." you said it me because i was asking what every interview was asking you, whatever happened to mickey rourke. you looked at me and said i've just made the greatest movie of my career, this is going to be the one that brings me back and i wasn't sure whether to believe you if i'm honest. but you had this absolute conviction that the wrestler was going to be your comeback movie and, boy, was it the comeback movie. >> you know, i did the movie at a time when i still wasn't very bankable and i wasn't getting jobs that easily. i was starting to work again but nobody was putting big dollars on my head to do something. my agent called me and told me about this young filmmaker, this director, who i won't call you the son of a bitch. he wants everyone to think he's a walk in the park to work with so he can attract the talent but he's hard work. very talented. >> i imagine you're quite hard work, too. >> so i don't piss him off, they come along like darren every 30 years. he's got a larger brain than most of us. i said to someone the other day he's like a great football coach or trainer. he just keeps pulling more out of you. >> let's watch what he pulled out of you. here's a clip from "the wrestler." >> i'm the one who is supposed to take care of everything. i'm the one who is supposed to make everything okay for everybody. it just didn't work out like that. and i left. >> you haven't watched a second of that or listened to it. >> no. >> why? >> i don't like to hear myself graveling like that. i have to look at myself when i shave every day. that's enough. >> you had lots of surgical repairs after your boxing career. what do you see of yourself now, what do you think in. >> the guy did a really great job with the nose. i can't breathe out of it still. he took the cartilage from back here, rebuilt it. i have days i can't smell, days i can smell. i liked the nose before the six operations. it's part of it all. i can't feel it, it's numb. the hands are what bother me because the hands shake a little. >> is that from the fighting? >> i always had trouble with wrapping my hands because my hands would swell up and they still swell all the time. >> when your hollywood career went pear shaped, by your own admission your behavior was pretty out of control -- >> surely. >> when you realized it had all gone, what was living in hollywood, what was it like in a place that's driven by business? >> can you imagine? can you imagine walking to work not driving your whatever the hell is t is out there, austen martin? it's shameful. it's okay if you never made it. i worked very hard to become -- >> one of the biggest movie stars in the world. >> i worked very hard to become the best actor that i could be and to honor that and to try to -- and to say every day how can i be a better actor today than i was yesterday. and to take all of that over several years and throw it all away, i know why i did it now. i mean, i didn't know then. >> why do you think you did it? >> i did it because i had some issues when i was very young with authority and with physical -- >> you were abused by a family member who came into your family. >> that kind of [ bleep ]. it was that kind of thing. and instead of being all nervous and shaky and i got hard and i made myself stronger and i put on, as the doctor said, all this armor and all of a sudden years went by and this armor kept building on me and it became a weakness because it was backfiring. i associated with the wrong people and i was hanging out at the wrong places and i was, you know, i was out of control with any sort of responsibility for my actions or anything like that. and so all this -- everything that i cultivated instead of feeling shame or insignificant, it just back fired and all that armor became scary. >> and then the wilderness years, i mean, when you were walking, say, into a store, a grocery store or something, what was the reality of that? >> it was terrible. you go into a 7-11 to get whatever you're going to buy in there and, you know, cigarettes, a condom, a candy bar and you're in line with like eight people and there's always going to be some -- i was going to say [ bleep ] that say didn't you used to be -- and then they'll say i know who you are, you're -- and i go [ bleep ] -- >> what was the worst name? >> i'm not going to go there. in the old days i would have said a few names. but then you walk out thereof and you walk down the street and you just it's that sinking feeling. it's like i've said before, it's a town built on envy. when you mess up, whetherure a producer, writer, comedian, whatever, you can't wait to go like this. it's just the nature of the beast. >> who were the guys, the other actors, who really stuck by you? >> stallone helped me out. sean stuck by me. >> sean penn? >> right. even sean and i had an altercation and didn't talk to years. he gave me an afternoon's worth of work on a film he was doing with jack nicholsonicholson. i had nice moments in the 12 seconds i was on film. slowly over a 13-year period, they let me back in the door. >> i want to come back and ask you as delicately as i can about comments about your ex-wife. >> sure. whatever you want. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ? 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(phone ringing) chase sapphire preferred, this is julie in springfield. further, further. further. i'll put it right on the spot. right on the spot. there. oh, that's nice. >> even now you're loving every second of that, aren't you? be honest. >> well -- >> going to work -- >> it was a while ago, but we worked together for the first time since two days ago. >> did you, kim basinger from "9 1/2 weeks." >> yeah. >> tell me about that. >> it was one of the producers mark kenton, he called me and said, would you like to work a couple of days on something that kim's going to be -- do a couple days and with the director from nigeria. something called "niger delta" and he explained the character to me. just two days. i can handle that. i'm sure she can handle just two days, too. >> had you seen each other since? >> once. once. >> how extraordinary. >> yeah. >> when you met up again this time, how did it go? >> it's always nerve-racking. this was a long time ago and i wasn't -- i was a little wilder then, you know? i didn't understand her issues or where she was coming from nor was i interested. it was just, you know -- >> so when she first saw you again this time, was it affectionate? >> well, the first time we saw each other in over 20 years was last year or something. yeah, it was tearful. >> you shared a lot. a lot of fruit went down. >> yes. they said that, yeah. yeah. i can look at that now and it's a very interesting sort of almost like another lifetime experience, you know, it happened so long ago that movie. >> i mean, it was around that whole time -- >> there's not a day that i'm not out in a club or a bar walking down the street that some guy will come up to me, oh, man, i got laid because of you or did you -- i said, no, i didn't. so i hear about the movie. i often wondered does she. >> are you proud of it? from an acting point of view? >> i have never been until in the last couple of years kind of acknowledged it. because for some reason it wasn't the kind of movie i thought i should actually do with my time. >> a few years after that, you met up with carrie otis. >> yes. >> and she's written this memoir which is pretty explosive. having said that, every time i've interviewed you in the past you openly said that the marriage was explosive. >> yep. >> what was your view of the book? >> i don't have any desire to read it. to me, that's something that happened over 20 years ago. and, you know, just from what i've heard about it and what have you, i think it's probably kind of like a little sour grapes, chasing the buck and a delusional kind of narcissistic self-centered point of view. okay? anyway. what's the next thing you want to talk about? >> no, but it's fascinating. because i have discussed this with you before. >> well, i'm just saying, if you're going to write a book, then, you know, and you want to influence or help people, you know, in a certain position, a lot of people there's things that you know what i'm talking about here are taboo. >> despite everything. >> yeah. >> would you still, if you're honest, say that she remains the great love of your life? despite all the chaos -- >> not -- i think it's as it was put to me, you are in love with the idea of who you wanted her to be, not who she really is. and i -- >> do you think if you both hadn't been quite so messed up at the time. >> oh, of course. oh, yeah. >> do you ever wonder about that? >> no, i don't have to wonder. that's a fact. if i didn't have the physical abuse and she didn't have the thing with the [ bleep ] her father, who the hell knows? you know what i'm saying? but i can't talk about what happened to me with my stepfather and happened to my brothers because it's shameful and hurtful. and i feel very small talking about it. the way i've read about that kind of stuff is you pretend it never happens. so if you want to write a god damn book and help people, talk about what the real problem is, not the bull [ bleep ] you want to be a spokesman for a disease you never had. you know? you feel me? >> i think i'm feeling you, mickey. >> okay. >> tell me about women now. because you've become, since "the wrestler" -- >> i know nothing about women. >> have you learned nothing about women? do you understand them better? >> no, they're stronger than us. when they close the door and it hits them in the ass, they're gone. you can get on your knees and your belly and grovel like a -- you know, like a little pig, they ain't coming back. but we couldn't live without them. hey, listen, it would be a really terrible place if it was just me, you and these camera guys. >> it would be a terrible place. >> well -- maybe not for him. >> are an easier guy to go out with, to date, to be with? >> to date, not necessarily, no. but the thing with me right now is as time goes by, everything is not so sacred. it's not so important to get all upset about little things -- oh, i like that picture. my agent hated that outfit. and he said, you wonder why you lost the academy award. >> the academy award system, i would imagine that beneath all the sort of stuff that goes with mickey rourke and the stuff that sometimes you play up to, that underneath there's a very serious actor. would you see affirmation from the academy as an ongoing great thing for you? is that the ultimate? >> listen, just to get the second chance, they're letting me back in the door, i'm grateful to that. in any profession that you do, lots of professions, you don't even, you know, you don't get a second chance again. sports or whatever have you. it's over. i'm in a profession, i get a second chance. i get to work hard because change has been hard for me. and i am a certain kind of person. i've got to always watch myself. i'm never going to be -- it's never going to be like everything's okay now. it's never going to be okay. so i can blow it all in five seconds. >> do you still feel that? >> oh, yeah. i could blow it all in a heartbeat. >> do you still drink much? >> it wasn't the drinking. drinking was never my problem. >> what was your problem? >> my anger. >> and does that still flare up? >> sure. not -- i mean, i'm able to, because i work with someone, to deal with repercussions and be in a profession and taking on responsibility and being accountable if he said something to me right now under his breath that was disrespectful, you know, i might think a few seconds before or i might think -- >> you would still hit him. >> i'll get him later, absolutely. but i wouldn't charge under the table right now. you know? >> should i be feeling a little nervous here, mickey? >> i would do it in a diplomatic way. no, i'm just saying you have to plan things out. that didn't come out right. >> i need to take a break just to calm things down here. i'm feeling a bit physically threatened. >> geez. >> now you're wound up. we'll talk can about politics. >> you better call sean and tim robbins. they have something to say about that. the other office devices? 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[ professor ] good morning students. today, we're gonna... does he know of my rage? does he know that i live only to see his blood at the end of my sword? does he know he butchered my mother? >> he's seen your face, he knows. >> so mickey rourke's new movie "the immortals." did you enjoy making "the immortals"? >> it was a short job for me. the director, i said who was directing the movie, i thought it had a lot of integrity the genre. and i looked at the director's reel. that's what blew me away. tarsem, the director, he had done this nike commercial with all these masks, derek jeter and all these other football players and the masks that he was using to experiment for this thing. i saw his other commercials. this guy can really shoot, i knows about the lighting and the technical stuff. the i'm going to do this genre, i would like somebody who is going to keep the integrity to it and do something different. >> talking of different and integrity. >> yeah. >> your next movie project is fascinating. you'll be playing gareth thomas, a welsh rugby player who came out as gay. in fact, the first really famous player in any sport in the world who was still playing who came out. for him to do what he did, was an astonishing act of courage. because it could have gone any way. as it turned out, he got involved in huge support, but it wasn't easy for him. >> that's what attracted me to it. i was in london in a pub and somehow i ended up arm wrestling with these rugby players. they played the the giant and they gave me a magazine article about their football team and in was an article about their legendary player to had come out and announced he was gay in that particular sport. i thought i would love to do that movie. look at what this guy's got on his plate. >> he came out to your premier la last week. >> yes, he did. he went full circle. from him coming out -- he was married for six years. he had to tell his wife, his coach, his teammates, his fan, hometown fans. then he had the whole thing of going to away games, played, you know, the opposing team, they were brutal, what they would say to him in the stands and have you. and the fact that this guy played this particular hard sport, maybe the hardest sport, no pads, anything, at the level that he played it at with all that was on his plate and this secret that he had to keep from his wife -- >> it's an amazing story. >> i said i thought i had a lot of my plate. this guy's plate is pretty full. >> speaking of full plates, barack obama's plate is pretty full. you were a bush fan. >> who told you? >> what do you think of barack obama? what do you think is going on with your country? >> your country. >> it is your country. it's not my country. it's been very good to me but it's not my country. >> i'm not involved with that at the moment. >> what's your overview? what's going wrong with america? >> i don't have one. i was all caught up with the whole thing with the 9/11 and following bin laden and the guy in iraq. it's just -- i'm not -- to be honest, i'm not qualified to give you an opinion because i don't -- i'm not that well informed about what's going on. and every time -- >> are you learning a bit of diplomatic tact in your old age, mickey? >> yes, i am. no, i don't want the guys who have the different view on politics or things than i had v to challenge me on that stuff. i'm not that patient to listen to their points. >> do you think actors should spout off about politics? >> i'll let you read my mind on that one. >> professionally it couldn't be going better for you. personally, there's a wild rumor you got engaged recently. is that true? >> no. >> are you with anyone in any serious -- >> mind your own business, piers. i take the fifth. >> are you happy? >> you know what it is, as times goes by and you're getting older, stuff like that is correct getting older sucks. i hear all this crap about, oh, can you age with dignity. really? that means like you're aging gracefully or something? no, you're dying, man. everything is dropping and falling. in the beginning it's harder, faster, stronger. then it's softer, slower, older. i never heard somebody say give it to me baby slower, softer. so it's a process of i'm not going to -- i'm not accepting it, you know, laying down or standing up. there's nothing i can do about it and it's like, i mean, you look in the mirror and it's like, hmm, it's all going to [ bleep ]. >> speak for yourself, mickey. >> i'm sure you look and say that, too. >> i was thinking how incredibly smart you're looking tonight. mickey, it's been a pleasure as always. good luck with the movie. i hope you come back and talk about the welsh movie. >> i will. it will be better than "the wrestler." >> thanks to mickey rourke. ere. an electric tank? 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[ woman ] wow. that's amazing. she has one of the most recognizable faces in the world. it would be find to find someone that hasn't heard of heidi klum. she's my guest and she has made me derobe for this interview. >> yes. and you look good. >> you're quite bossy, aren't you? >> i am. >> do you always get your own way? >> but you see you did it. >> i'm not sure if it's a good idea. it might be career wrecking. i feel suddenly naked without the tie. i feel a bit like simon cowell sitting here. >> no, you look good. >> really? >> yeah. >> that's good enough for me. >> but i like to be bossy. my husband says it all the time. >> seal's a big lad. you boss him around? >> he's big but he's very gentle. and you need to have a bossy wife in the house to get things done. >> do you feel lucky to have met seal? >> of course. >> because it felt like the pair of you had been sort of searching for each other and then you collided and you have this extraordinary life with hundreds of children and fabulously successful careers? >> four. we have four. >> you have four -- >> feels like 100 sometimes with the speed, the way they go. yeah, we did find each other, in a hotel lobby in new york city, and it was kind of like two magnets who went like this. >> was it really? >> yeah. >> talk me through -- i like this. talk me through this moment. what were you both doing there? >> i was just visiting a friend. and we were sitting in the hotel lobby. and it was a mutual friend of ours. and my husband came into the hotel after he just went to the gym, and he was wearing hot little bicycle shorts. and he was very sweaty. and i was like, oh, hello. >> you knew him, right? >> i hadn't met him before. but obviously i knew his music, yeah. >> and what happened then? >> we met each other again. but always as friends. we went to a fashion event at night and then we went to another dinner and then we were sitting at this table with a lot of different people and our hands kind of met under the table by accident and you know how normally when that would happen you could do a jerk reaction and go the other way -- >> no, it doesn't happen to me. >> but we didn't do that. it was like this and nobody saw it, we were just sitting under the table holding hands. >> who gripped who? >> we both grabbed each other. >> what happened? that second? >> i got really hot. >> and you knew that was the guy? >> yes. >> had you kissed lots of frogs to get to that point? had you thought i can't find the right guy? like so many supermodels, there's nobody out there who can deal with me? >> i'm not quite that difficult. in order to get things done you do have to be a little bossy sometimes or tell people what you really want. otherwise things just don't get done, do they? >> so you squeeze hands and then you get married. how does he propose? i imagine it being incredibly romantic can seal. >> it was. it was probably one of the most romantic engagements. my husband, we were at wlisler and he rented a helicopter. he had an igloo built on top of this mountain -- >> he had an igloo built on a mountain? >> a full-blown igloo with a bd inside with candles and blankets and rose pedals. >> what were his exact words, the proposal? >> do you want to marry me. i said yes. >> what an amazing story. >> then we went into the igloo. >> and then what happened? >> and then nine months later henry was born. >> no. >> yeah. >> we love each other, we respect each other. i'm not sure if i like that song. are you sure? and have i to zip it up sometimes. and you learn that the years that you are together, i learned how you have to like let him do his creative thing because i am quite bossy in my industry. so sometimes i say too many things and i hold back. i let him do his thing, he let's me do my thing and we smepend a lot of time together. with four children -- >> how do you be a mother to four children with everything else do you? >> you know, i don't know how that happens. we always had one baby at a time. i know that sounds kind of weird. but we never thought oh, we're going to have four children one day. we had eleni and then we had henry and we always looked around the table and we're still not complete and then came yo han and we thought we're still not complete and it would be so nice to have one more girl and then came lu, four years later. >> are there any more planned? >> no, that's it. but it always worked. i always juggled the create of things in my life. i always loved doing different things other than modeling, i love being creative. it always worked with having children. >> let's take a look at the super steamy video you made with your children. ♪ ♪ >> you should do that with your wife. >> i wouldn't mind actually. i wouldn't mind making a steamy video. i'm not sure it would be quite a wide appeal to the public as it was for you and seal. >> you can do it for the two of you. >> do you like working with him? >> he was very shy. i'm used to rolling around with not much on. >> you don't seem very shy to me. >> i'm not. even today if i go to a beach, i'm not all covered up. i've always been very free. that's how i grew up. for me it was not hard being in a studio with cameramen and filming us. my husband was quite shy. okay, who really needs to be here? everyone else out. he was quite shy about it. >> i want to take a little break and come back and talk to you about how a nice little girl from a little place in germany became this runway super model super star. how did this happen? 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[ male announcer ] write your story with the new citi simplicity card. no late fees. no penalty rate. no worries. get started at citisimplicity.com. it's pathetic. >> it is kind of pathetic. >> i know. >> how is this possible? how do you keep this skinny figure that you have? >> i don't. i walk a lot. a lot. and i do a lot of stair climbing. >> that's you on your hit show "project runway." did you ever imagine when you started it would be nine seasons? >> no way. no, you just don't when you get into something like that. you know, when we first created "project runway," it was harvey weinstein, desiree gruber, my publicist for the last 15 years, and myself. and we just shopped it around. we went to all these different networks and tried to explain to them what we wanted to do, a show about fashion. and everyone was like, well, why is that interesting? why would we want to watch how people make clothes? but you know, i love fashion, and i'm in the industry for 18 years now, and i'm like because it's so cool how they come up with new things all the time. and then finally we did find a network, and we were on the air, and then it was really a word of mouth. you know, because we weren't having a big budget, hair and makeup and stylists and this and that. they would do me in the morning and then would leave me high and dry. would be like shiny and messed up by the end of the day. no one cared. but then we got bigger and bigger and bigger because people loved it. >> it's a hugely successful show. people love it. >> it's really about talent. it's really about talent. and i think people admire those designers when they see what they can -- >> you're wearing actually a dress from this season. >> i am. this is a dress from anya. >> it's a beautiful dress. >> yeah. she's a great designer. and she just learned how to sew four months before she came on the show. and i really fought for her. >> that is amazing, to be able to design something that good with that little experience. >> yeah. no, because that just tells you you don't have to necessarily go to school and learn everything from -- you know, from scratch. if you're talented, you can really do anything. and if your heart is at the right place and you have the passion for it, you can go for it and do it. >> well, your heart began in the small town of bergisch gladbach in germany. did i pronounce that right? >> yeah, this is super. >> as a young girl did you dream of being a model? >> no, not at all. i didn't even know that was a job, to be honest. i wanted to be aw fashion designer. i went to school and i went for 13 years, and after that i would have gone to dusseldorf and i would have done the design school. and then i entered a competition. i literally out of a fashion magazine cut out a coupon with my girlfriends, sent some random photos in that she took of me, entered this competition, and it went on for six months. it was a model search. you know, face '92 it was. and then i won that by pure luck. it was like winning the lottery. >> it was. you went on to become this incredibly successful catwalk model, magazine cover star, everything. victoria's secret. there was nothing you didn't do. you conquered the world of modeling, didn't you? >> a little bit. >> carl loggerfeld said heidi's no runway model, she's too heavy and has two big a bust -- >> it's probably true. i mean, i'm not a runway model, i never have been and i never did all the big runway shows. i was to heavy, too curvy. at the time before having four children, i was too curvy and i was too short and just not thin enough. so that's true. >> not thin enough and too short? >> for this industry, yeah. because the designers such as him require the girls to be a certain weight, height. >> i think he's talking absolute clap trap, old carl. and it's dangerous, the nonsense he's spouting, making young women think they look at you and they should think that you're all these things and it's ridiculous. >> i definitely agree with some of it. i did not want to starve myself and get ill and do all of these things that are expected, you know, for you to fit into that. and so i just didn't. i thought i'm just going to find my own way or i don't. if i don't, i go back to germany and i do something else, you know. i also liked food too much. that was a problem. >> i hate the whole size zero things and most men i know do, o me means nothing. >> but it's a kind of almost skeletal look that became so popular in the '90s. >> right. >> that the only way a woman should be portrayed in a magazine is to be ludicrously skinny by i think is really dangerous. >> i think to be thin or too skinny, that's like two different things. i do like to be fit. i feel better. like i don't think i'm skinny but i feel like i'm fit. i eat well. i eat superhealthy and i feel better that way than being a little bit overweight. >> you also look relatively natural. >> thanks. >> any scalpel? >> no. >> would you ever? >> i mean, i don't want to say never. you know, i don't know who knows, 20 years down the line. >> or even frowning. >> right now, i know my mom says you can't do this because i do talk like that a lot. and what are you going to do, have that from my dad. he has a lot of those lines. >> i have a lot of models who can't frown. it's physically impossible. >> i can't face myself. i can't look in the mirror and look at fake things. i'd rather age. >> let's have a little break and come back and talk to you about business. you're quite a smart biz. >> i like business. i like to make things happen. >> and making money. >> that, too. don't you? i'm kind of a fixture in different parts of town... some folks call me a rock star, some call me the mayor... and i love it. and, i make everybody happy. i keep my business insurance with the hartford because... they came through for me once, and i know they've got my back. for whatever challenges come your way... the hartford is here to back you up. helping you move ahead... with confidence. meet some of our small business customers at: thehartford.com/business i don't think about the unknown... i just rock n' roll. the world needs more energy. where's it going to come from? ♪ that's why right here, in australia, chevron is building one of the biggest natural gas projects in the world. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? natural gas is the cleanest conventional fuel there is. we've got to be smart about this. it's a smart way to go. ♪ back with my guest, heidi klum. now, heidi, you are a smart business lady, aren't you? where did you get that from? >> i don't know if i'm that smart at it. i try as good as i can. you know, and i have made some things happen. >> what's been your most satisfying business success? >> business success? putting "project runway" on the air. definitely one of them. i host germany's "next top model" in germany, and i help produce that show, and i host that show, and i love doing all of that. i love all my different ventures in designing. if it's for amazon, i have a line that i sell there. my qvc line for, you know, my jewelry that i just started bringing out there. i design for pea in the pod and motherhood for maternity clothes, which i love. i do shoes with new balance. i do all the things that i love. and i bring them out. and that is definitely something that i love. i love seeing people in my things, and i love creating things. >> a few years ago you became an american citizen. >> i have. >> specifically, apparently, so you could vote for barack obama. >> i did. >> is that true? >> that's true. >> why did you feel so keen to do that? >> i've been here since '94. i've been paying quite a few taxes in this -- in this country, and i felt that it would be right for me to, you know, vote for the next president. and i really -- i don't know. i liked him, and i wanted him to win over the other person. >> what do you think of america? >> i really like it. i think that people in america are very nice. when i think about people in germany who can be quite harsh. you know? with everything. just -- and in the beginning it kind of bugged me when i first got here and people would always be like how are you? and i'm good like good. but i don't really care so why do you ask me this question. it's kind of chitty chat. they never really want to know deep how you feel or too much about you. it's always very fluffy and stuff. but that's not always bad too, i found out afterwards. >> it's quite polite i think. >> it's polite and i think people are quite generous here, and they are happy for you when you do well. they say good job. it's great what you're doing. in germany i feel like sometimes it's the opposite. >> germany and britain i think can be quite both similar in this way, quite cynical places. certainly if are you high profile and successful. a lot of people want to prick your balloons. >> exactly. the germans can be quite harsh and not as happy for you as they are in america. >> you're one of the most famous germans ever. >> i don't know. >> there aren't many globally famous germans. >> maybe not. >> can you think of any in the modern era, in the last sort of 30, 40 years. >> in germany, definitely yes. but not people that you would know here so much, yeah. >> what's next for the heidi klum incorporated machine? >> more designing. that's really my passion. i love to design. so i will be doing more of that. you will be hearing and seeing more things from the things. >> really? >> that i cook up. >> but no more children. you've done that. >> no, we have four children and we're complete now. like i told you before, we always looked around the table as if there was someone missing. now there's no one missing anymore. it's mayhem 24/7. it really is because they're all so young, you know, 7, 5, 4, and 2. it's -- it's a lot. >> the any of them to get into fashion, would you be wary of that given the experiences you've had? >>cy wouldn't push them. no, i wouldn't push my kids to do anything. i want them to be happy, healthy. and i want them to be who they want to be. you know? and i still have a few years to go on that. so i'll see what they want to be. >> what if they want to be a rock star like their dad? >> yeah, henry could be. you definitely see the passion. henry loves to dance and loves to perform. they all love to perform. they give us tickets and put the chairs up and the music up and they start dancing and singing and we sit there and applaud and they bow and do all of that. they have a little routine going on. >> i look forward to these kids growing up. they're going to look great and be talented. >> they're a lot of fun. they're good kids. they drive me crazy sometimes but they're good kids. >> what's your proudest achievement, you personally. >> my family for sure it, a husband, four children. that is, you know, that is everything. what are you going to do if you have all the money in the world and all the things that you wanted to achieve in your business and you have no one to share it

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