focus should be on the victims. >> pray for these families. that's very important. everybody will pray for these families and we will get through it but we will do an investigation and find out because it is not fair to the producers or anybody else involved until we determine what happened, what caused the surge. we don't know but we will find out. is there anything criminal? we heard rumors of people injecting people with drugs. we will check that out. >> some of the folks, working to identify the victims but what has been made clear, the folks that were transported, some as young as 10. tonight is about connecting families with the information they need to. that is what we need the community's help doing, spreading the word about houston, if you don't know where your family member is you need to pay attention and get them identified and figure out where they are and we will run through the rest. i'm asking the same question. was it connected to, the issues at the entrance, the sense that those happened very early where this catastrophe was much later but all of those questions are being looked at. tonight's focus needs to be on the families and the lives we lost, many of them extremely young, tragically young. >> eight did and many others hurt following the crowd surged in houston, texas. there were reports of a stampede earlier in the afternoon the details are not related to that incident. stay with fox news channel for this developing story. back to regular programming already in progress. dealing drugs. could have been more subtle. yep, while we pour billions into a drug war, not unlike afghanistan, we just keep getting our ass kicked. we fund other countries' militaries to fight the drug trade then let anybody walk across the border with a bindle up their about the. it's more counter productive than a broom that shoots glitter. 70,000 people died from overdoses in the u.s., 70,000 more people than have read the book. during the pandemic that number exploded probably because we were all trapped inside watching cnn. what is causing this wave of death? don't blame prescription opioids because as we cut down on that, the death rates skyrocket. today overdoses are driven by fentanyl. and like the coronavirus and cheap patio furniture, it's made in china. it comes through our southern border and it's mixed into other street drugs to kick it up a notch. it's basically hamburger helper for junkies. tell us. >> once the pandemic hit we realized without china we've got no antibiotics, no medical equipment so what do they do to change that? nothing. when china got all that capability, that's how they found the analogues for fentanyl which they then introduced as a street drug, made a deal with the mexican cartels and how many americans are dying? and we hear nothing about it. go to san francisco, nobody cares that you've got people standing in the street, pissing on themselves, and defecating everywhere. you know and unable to function. what do they say? let's reduce the mandatory minimum sentencing for fentanyl. >> so during 12 months of the pandemic, nearly a hundred thousand americans have died from o-ds, that's a 30 percent jump. experts blame it on the stay at home orders. i coapt buy it because when it comes to this stuff, the government is lye like our president's underpants, full of crap. i feel bad just saying that. especially when it comes to help, it's true. remember the nutrition pyramid, it was everywhere. classrooms, waiting rooms, the shed where i keep the au pair, but also cereal boxes. imagine a box of carbs says you should stuff your face with carbs. my chart had a typo and i was eating 30 pounds of crabs a month. a cereal company telling our yo to eat more carbs is like the diamond industry telling you how many month months salary you should spend on an engagement ring. we should have been following the money. cookie krisp had parents thinking kids start the day right by eating a bowl of cookies. it's amossing. - - it's amazing. it's like those stories about doctors tricking woman number to physical checkups, that's what this is. and yes y stopped doing it years ago. they repossessed my van. this chart was dead wrong, and deadly. you had processed carbs and huge quantities turning healthy kids into mini brian socialers. right now our adult obesity rate is 42% up from 34% 10 years earlier, the only thing rising faster is our blood sugar. the same people who lied about food are lying about drugs. right now when the government or media reports o-d's just like the crime stats they never get specific. they never tell the whole truth. it's about illegal fentanyl, not prescription drugs, and it's not overdoses it's posenings. people buy drugs with fentanyl in it and they die, including people that you know from tom petty to michael k williams to athletes and actors. the people you have heard of dying is actually fentanyl poisoning, not prescriptions, but a poison used to kill people deliberately. it's the biggest story you aren't hearing is because all you hear is the word overdose. the worse part of this, patients who rely on legal opioids for cancer pain and other diseases can't get them because we've conflated safe drugs with fentanyl. that's pretending two totally different things are the psalm, like c cnn and news. long way for a joke. what's really actually terrorism and it drives legal users to illegal stuff and they die because they can't control the dosage or like hot dogs they they don't understand what's in it. you can only buy cigarettes illegalla but one cigarette had a thousand times the nicotine you would die, or at least sound like kat. instead you could go to any market and buy a carton unsan francisco they even let you take it. the dosage is controlled. mean while, stats show addiction is actually rare among prescription opioids, and overdoses are nearly impossible to find. i bet you didn't know that. because we're operating on the lie of all drugs bad and punish the lu-abiding. here's an analogy you'll understand. what's the biggest complaint by gun owners? not that the gun jams when watching the view. it's that the laws, it's that the laws punish the law abiding while doing nothing about illegal guns fueling street violence. it's the same argument here. we punish the law abiding and let the lawless kill. we'll even provide clean needle bat despite drugs they die from. sadly we target the decent person who administers drugs safely in a safe environment like like a doctor's office or a kat's apartment. it's time we stop this death. it's also time to let people seek the relief they choose and if they don't hurt anyone it's nobody's business. everyone on this planet has the right to relief, whether it's a martini, a joint, or an opiate. i'm tired of buying clean urine from steve doocy, but if you need any, dic - - d-m me. tonight's guests, she she's on your fox news screens more than relief disaster, harris faulkner. he loves his wardrobe for the same reason he loves soccer, lots of boring ties, the president in the freedom fighter brian. he's an air force veteran and an expert on flying high, columbia university psychology professor dr. carl hart. and she's 90-pound soaking wet probably from all those spilled drinks, kat. >> your audience is incredible. >> i've never heard them this loud. >> in the spirit of the show, we drugged them. by the way, a lot of people don't know this about the original fox and friends but the segment cooking with friends, rights, it was your idea but it was about meth. >> that's a very good trivia note and that was only if you interviewed our staff. >> did i convince you in any way shape or form with my main august? i assume you are probably anti-legalization. >> i have not done as heavily research as your teleprompter dates, but i will say fundamentally i don't think it's good to legalize terrible behavior thousander argument would be you have alcohol, calm alcohol's out there, isn't alcohol a drug. my sense is the big story in that story was what china's doing. >> i tried to sell it to them that way. i know that you'd only be into it if i blamed china. >> you have a panel here and you look past the panel, who are you talking to? >> sometimes i talk to me. >> okay, fine. you were looking at the monitor. >> his picture is in monitor. >> look at his book, white man on the top, black man on the bottom, - - >> what? >> racist. you are a racist. all right, i gotta move on, i'm tired - - thank you. plod. >> no, no. >> wow. all right. >> you're not going to to amend that statement? >> amend your behavior. >> you agree with that. >> whatever you do in your private time is up to you. i want to get the professor in because he's - - how would you respond - - he brought up the alcohol thing. and there's this theory you can only have one bad thing be legal but what's your take on that? >> i don't know, alcohol is bad is that a bad thing? >> i'm saying the counter to my argument and fundamentally i don't think legalizing heroin and all these drugs that are legal now are going to be productive and the counter argument to my statement is well, alcohol isn't that technically a drug? isn't that addictive? i get it, but to me if you legalize all these drugs tell me a place where it works. >> i don't think we're saying legalize, we're talking about legally regulating. so that means that adults have access to these activities whether it's drugs, whether it's driving an automobile, whether it's owning a gun, adults have access to these activities. >> and how would that affect the people sleeping on there street? >> uh, what do you mean? >> do they go get more of them or less? >> the people sleeping on the streets, most of those people, are not there because of drugs. i know that's the popular thing for people to say. most of those people are there because they're having financial problems, because of mental health issues, but it's easy to blame drugs. that's what we do in this country, we blame drugs for all of our sort of ills - - that's not what's going on. >> you've been living in the city. >> of course. >> so the city over the last six months mentally ill are populating most of what we're seeing right now. >> and on this panel. >> yeah, that too. >> excluding harris. >> if you're looking at two different categories of drugs, though. what the doctor is talking about legalizing, like you would alcohol or something like that kwrorbgser. talking about regulating the age of people who can use a certain drug that's already con considered a controlled substance. people are dying from fentanyl because they're dying it off the streets what they think is zan, and some of them are doing it because those substances are hard to get because they're not regulated and where china comes into play and where because i don't need the teleprompter, sweety [laughter] >> low-hanging fruit. where china comes into play is right at the nexus of where mexico is feasting like scorpions at our border after those people who want to get in here illegally and using that as coyotes. >> a lot of that problem would be solved if drugs were legalized there would be no demand for the supply of the cartel. >> and perhaps controlling the border situation. >> all adults that wanted to do these things, i don't think you can say you live in a free country if you don't own your own body and they're putting fentanyl in cocaine. >> they're putting it everywhere. >> nobody trying to do cocaine wants to full asleep, that's why they're doing cocaine. >> one thing about fentanyl, it's important to know that fentanyl has been a legal drug in the united states since the 1960s and it's an important drug in terms of pain reliever. it's prescribed to treat moderate to severe pain, and it's an excellent drug as long as people understand that they have fentanyl. the problem is, when people don't understand that they have fentanyl, they may take too much of it and overdose. >> so they'll take a xanax not knowing fentanyl, which you say is powerful ifs a mor own and give yous athe same kind of high, that's why they use it to lace it. >> it's more potent than morphine. the problem is nobody really wants to mix their cocaine, even people who are selling cocaine, they don't want to mix it with fentanyl, these things happen accidently. there are y fixes to this, just like they do in europe. we can have these things called drug checking facilities allows people to submit small samples of their drugs and then they get a chemical print out and if fentanyl is in it everyone knows that fentanyl is in it and you don't take it or you scale back how much you take. we have the technology in this country to make these things available, we haven't made them available to the public because we don't care. >> yeah, you know, i have an alternative, i just have a, you know, because i'm fairly well off i just have a drug tester. so i just give it to them and if they fall down, i don't take it. >> a drug tester? >> exactly. we gotta move on. we love this topic. >> yes, we do. >> i'm sure, brian, we changed your mind. up next, a mask-obsessed professor becomes an obnoxious e-mail aggressor. watch: serena williams... wonder woman.... serena... wonder woman... serena... ace. ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream. every single day, we're all getting a little bit better. we're better cooks... better neighbors... hi. i've got this until you get back. better parents... and better friends. no! no! that's why comcast works around the clock constantly improving america's largest gig-speed broadband network. and just doubled the capacity here. how do things look on your end? -perfect! because we're building a better network every single day. gutfeld. >> please, god, make this in. >> a - - at cornell university go fighting herpes, professor bruce monger, what a great name, e-mailed his - - so he could fail them. this would seem like the perfect time to avoid protection by wearing masks. last week fear monger, see what i did there, e-mailed his introductory class describing the pair in detail. quote, one student is a male with red hair and a fairly prominent hooked nose. his hair was pretty long, thick, and wavy. the other student is a male, sitting to the left he has short brown hair, maybe one and a half to two inches in length, and a small nose. this guy is really obsessed with noses. we used to have names for that. for the record, mongor can be best described as a puffy hair-ginger with teeth like gary busey. if when i find the identity of these two students i will be failing them both for the semester. so, yet again, another introductory oceanography professor that let the power, let the power go to his head. happens all the time. after this e-mail went viral the school stood by the jack as, but admitted his e-mail wasn't appropriate saying monger, quote, regularly advised his student of the mask requires his - - physical character characteristics in ways that do not affect cornell values. yes, it's the describing people that's the only problem not the notion that the vaccinated unmasked are patting the vaccinated masked at risk or he enlisted other students to narc. he's being put to rest by professor splash. i'd take a class from that guy. your professor, would you consider ever doing something like this to your students? asking for students to find the other students? >> i mean, he'd say it was inappropriate and he was right for saying that was inappropriate. it's one of these things where i have a class of 200 students, and so you want to make sure everybody is respecting everybody else's rights and that's it. that was inappropriate. he said it, cool. i have have to move on: >> all right, kat. >> yes. >> what is it about humans that are intrinsic desire to righteously grab a pitch fork and go after somebody? that's what this tells me. >> i don't have that in me. i'm not a snitch. >> you're not a snitch. >> at all. >> right. >> also, like, when you're in college you shouldn't - - you shouldn't be getting graded for your conduct anymore by your teacher. >> yeah, that's true. >> that's over in, like, third grade. thank god for me. >> i got terrible conduct grades. >> i was always so smart but my behavior was unaccept i had, quote, difficulty regulating my emotions in a manner appropriate for the classroom. >> good to to to see nothing's changed. >> yeah. >> just described this show. killmead, i wish you were a mask. your your face - - >> down there. >> that's not the question. >> ivy league schools were so timid they told everyone get off campus, don't say a word or i'll kick you out, pay your 72,000-dollars and learn from your laptap. number two, that just shows the obsession. he's emblematic of the obsession people have with masks and distancing and the craziness that happened & anger that was directed that made everything so much worse. this professor represents everything that i hated most about the pandemic, almost as bad as the spiky virus. >> hm. you know what i hate about it? having to see you. >> we didn't have to to see each other because we were isolated we couldn't come into the studio. >> apparently the time was not long enough. >> no kidding. >> i just want to pick up on something that you said about, you know, the pitch fork, the spiky fork, whatever going after people, that's what i see in this. i see a collision of two things. i see a pandemic that actually was stomped out by another pandemic. you had covid and that was going on, but what got worse was this guy's desire to cancel too soon. why couldn't he have done that privately? why didn't he - - >> the hook knows. >> he was hoping, he was hoping at least his actions would indicate this, that the woke folk would take his side, and that there would be a brigade that would help him out and suddenly, suddenly they could all cancel these two kids whoever they are and, look, maybe there's a nose job that needs to be had somewhere in there. no judgment there. >> kat looks great. >> i have never had plastic surgery. >> she looks amazing. >> i've only had medically necessary surgery. >> she's not a snitch, but she's got stitches. >> true. >> what's worse, the disease we're trying to fight and keeping everybody safe or the disease of trying to hate each other? >> it kind of goes back to the prison of two ideas, a concept that i invent. you're either, you're either wearing a mask or you - - >> two minutes ago, but go ahead. >> no no, you either wear a mask or you want people to die. there's so many subtle points in between those two places that you can rest. >> sometimes people wear a mask who do want people to die. >> that is true. >> they're called murderers. >> you watch too much forensic files. >> yeah. >> coming up, do every day, coventry helps people get cash for their life insurance policies they no longer need. i'm an anesthesiologist and a pain physician by specialty. i was trying to figure out what i could do with this term life insurance policy. i'm sorta stuck because i can't just go out and buy more insurance, because of my diagnosis. i called coventry direct and everything clicked. there actually were a lot more options that i thought there ever would be. coventry helped michael like we've helped thousands of people sell all or part of their life insurance policies for cash. even a term policy. there probably are a lot of people that are in a similar situation who don't know they have an option. i would definitely recommend talking to coventry about it. coventry made it very easy. i just couldn't have asked for a better experience. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth. visit coventrydirect.com to find out if your policy qualifies. or call the number on your screen. >> they'rer afraid you'll clap because they're full of crap. the latest list of woke demands bans the act of clapping hands. debates at local school board meetings have grown heated as parents push back against covid restrictions and the teaching of c-r-t. at the center of this is douglas county colorado named after douglas county, georgia. that's not true, i just threw that in there because it sounded funny. where in an effort to make things safer they're trying to ban clapping. >> come on, - - >> that 5 year old girl. >> if i could just have you stop again. this is the second time i've had to pause. i've clearly stated the expectations, we cannot comment it makes it an unsafe environment for someone who has a different perspective. and i will take a break if we need to for you to get yourselves to a place where we can make sure this is a safe place for everyone. >> there it is again, the word safe. any time you want to shut someone down, claim it's about being safe. so please keep your mask on at all times even outside to ensure your safety we removed all gun emojis from your smart phones. and so we can all be safe we've banned greg gutfeld from the planet fitness sauna. clap for that. i didn't know that you have to wear a towel. so now its. clapping, but back in the day if you wanted to be somewhere with zero clapping you had to go see brian killmead do stand-up. >> too busy laughing. >> thank you. you sure did clear out those homeless encampments. but, seriously, first, it was silence is violence then words equal violence, now clapping is unsafe. i haven't seen such fake outrage since rachel dolezal rainout of afro sheen. no wonder parents are pissed. banning clapping? 82 who is that protecting? imagine where this is headed. >> do you know how many clapping related covid deaths there were in 2020? >> zero. >> 2021 - - as your math feature have one principal, clapping causes division. and i won't let it multiply. >> isn't mr. daniel the principal? >> principal - - >> if you're going to show approval from now on in my class you do this. hello, fbi, my student is a terrorist. >> i have to say, that some amazing acting by our producer tom a 40 year old playing a 20 year old college student. >> he's seen some - - >> kind of like welcome back cotter. did we realize those guys were shaving in 11th grade? >> that was a great show. >> it was. he went back to the sweat hogs after getting out and that was his ticket back. >> i don't think i asked for a description. >> i'm sorry. >> but i understand. do you even know what applause sounds like? >> no idea. because i don't, i am not so insecure i have to hire people to clap for me. [laughter] [applause] >> no, no, you're all out of here. all right. do you know what's worse than clapping? i know kat knows, but you must know this, you were in college like 20 years ago, this stuff. people who do this. did you have that? >> yes. >> i hate that. >> yes. i also hate using words like unsafe. i get what they mean is uncomfortable, but for me i think it's the opposite. to me nothing is less comfortable than being in a room full of people and i have no idea how any of them feel about anything. that's scary and it makes you feel like can i say this, how are they going to react if i say this k i be myself or do i need to hide my everything that i am. if people are clapping - - it's tough, harris. i'm not for everyone. i'm more of, like, you know, different. a special, like, cult following maybe, but i'm not - - i could not probably host the morning show like you do. but, i will know that in certain rooms, and i will tone it down. if i don't know, then that is, that actually might be unsafe for me. >> i never thought about that, but i did a speech at a, like what do you call it, a chamber of commerce thing in wisconsin, and i did my normal thing and that was up there and i'm going, like, holy crap, i think this is the wrong crowd. >> but then that gives you the opportunity to be like all right, let me pretend to be somebody else real quick. >> boy, was i right? it was the wrong crowd. they tried to unpay me. >> i remember this story. >> yes, yes. >> it's true. >> they tried to unpay me, they had a news letter they wrote about it, because i swore. i think i said said [bleep] >> when you can't do on the faulkner focus. >> no. >> but we love kat timph. i didn't know you had all that other stuff going on, though. >> like what, the paranoia? >> did not know any of that. >> this is why this side wants decriminalization. we need it. professor, when you do your classes, do you have the same anxiety when you're looking out that people are they understanding what i'm talking about? >> of course, i worry whether they understand or not but they can clap or not clap. most of the time they don't clap because i'm not funny. >> made me laugh. i guess. >> yeah. >> that was a laugh. >> i would say a couple of in thes, just to recap this is the real you, though, right? >> the problem is i don't have a way of really pretending. i'm too impulsive. but it's always better to know where you stand. it's scarier to think about what do they think of what i gustoes said. >> i wish i actually had that going on. what i have going on is expressing every -wthing that i'm feeling every - - everything i'm feeling when i have it. >> then you worry about it later or no? >> no. >> it's unscripted. >> no, they don't. i really don't. >> i wish i did. >> whoa, whoa, she says everything that she thinks and then doesn't think about it, isn't she a sociopath? >> am i? can you diagnose me right now. >> no, i can't say that. no. >> oh, no, you just don't want to say it for free. >> i've never seen a host try to get the panel try to turn on each other. >> you want to see a fight. a [laughter] >> jerry springer used to host his show then run behind the audience. >> i am too lazy to be jerry springer, i want people to turn on each other while sitting - - >> you don't want to be inconvenienced. >> do you want me to go? >> where are we going? >> i don't know. coming up, would smoking grass help ballers >> will speaking a blunt help you run, pass, or punt? could smoking a bean put athletes in the zone? could smoking chronic make athletes feel bionic? a new report claims pro athletes across all sports are using marijuana to help performance. i guess that explains how? p attorney 3: dog became the world's top quite kight surfer. exercise helps produce chemists say is responsible for those good feelings that exercise produces it's also a - - >> cannabinoid, and therefore a compound in the same family as thc which has psychoactive effects and a moderate dose can help indoo deuce the production - - >> before you tried to read this? >> and athletes have cut on. explains josiah his are using cannabis, before, doing, or after their training in competition, and amateur athletes as well are sheepishly confessing they've been getting high before their runs, basketball games, ruck climbing or weight lifting for years certain that i were the only ones. if you you're a regular pot user you zoned out two seconds into that explanation. i've seen that look in kat's eyes for the past five years. if more,. >> want to see it again? >> joe macky. all right, i wanted to get the science down before i talked to the lay people, okay. what's the - - i mutilated the science there. is there a science - - or is this like a cover just to say we like smoking pot? >> no, when we exercise, for example, there's an increase in anab a- - there's increase when you exercise, what that meanies terms of when you smoke marijuana anandamide. >> that's a good answer. brian, a lot of people, uh, in sports claim this works but also in soccer [laughter] >> wow. >> so, a couple of things. i understand it's a pain relief and they say you have some pain you start working out the pain goes away with or without drugs and they say this will enhance that or speed that process up. i could never see taking, getting high, if you aunt to win. if you just want to finish the game or have a good time losing to me that's when pot comes into play. like i'd rather stop winning in my life, i want to mellow out and care less about being successful. >> i don't think you do it in a game, you do it in practice or you do it - - >> yeah, so, i ran marathons - - in practice? >> i don't run marathon thons anymore, but when i was trying for them. >> you were life as as as a kite. >> no, but the - - if i felt down about something and i went out and i ran 15 miles, i did feel better. there is something to that. and i understand what you're saying, doctor, i would then have a immediately go to a lab and have them test my brain to tell me if it was actually being enhanced in some way, but i know i felt a relief, and i felt like i could do more in life total when i don't train for marathons anymore but every now and then i'll go and run as far as i possibly can. >> that's nice. >> away from greg gutfeld. >> no... if i could run away from me, i would. >> when i was running marathons marley in southern california, i did see people who, you know, they would enhance themselves. >> yes. >> with the weed. >> when they were training. >> everybody in california is always enhancing themselves. it's really obvious. i know those aren't real. kat - - >> no, no, no, that's not what i meant. >> kat, when you get high, you also run, but it's off toon burger king. >> i don't do any of those - - i order burger king. >> yes. >> on my phone. uh, i just - - the anecdotal stuff doesn't really get to me. the other side of it, i don't like either. people who are like antiweed my cousin kevin smokes weed and now he sits in the base had the, my aunt linda ate a whole pan of weed brownies, i guess maybe kevin and linda shouldn't do weed, it doesn't mean other people it doesn't work for. it doesn't make sense to me to make something illegal or say it's bad because of a story. there are plenty of people who have been bad for me does that mean those people should be illegal? no, not all of that. >> may i just say one thing, we're talking about anandamide, that's just one thing in the brain. there was a time in the eggies when we said exactly the same thing about endorphins. >> yes. >> so this notion we focus on one chemical and that's it - - >> doesn't it lower your stress, though? isn't that also why athletes do it? it lowers the anxiety they have. >> certainly. cannabis can do that, a number of drugs can do that. >> i'm having anxiety what i said earlier to harris was weird. >> kat, you have no worries, i love you with all my full heart. >> i'll hopefully sleep tonight okay. >> up next a nascar driver used a bad word, but is moving is a handful. no kidding! fortunately, xfinity makes moving easy. easy? -easy? switch your xfinity services to your new address online in about a minute. that was easy. i know, right? and even save with special offers just for movers. really? yep! so while you handle that, you can keep your internet and all those shows you love, and save money while you're at it with special offers just for movers at xfinity.com/moving. when traders tell us how to make thinkorswim even better, we listen. like jack. he wanted a streamlined version he could access anywhere, no download necessary. and kim. she wanted to execute a pre-set trade strategy in seconds. so we gave 'em thinkorswim web. because platforms this innovative, aren't just made for traders - they're made by them. thinkorswim trading. from td ameritrade. with xfinity home, you can keep your home and everything in it more protected. i can wrangle all my deliveries. thanks, hoss! and i help walk the dog from wherever. *door unlocks* ♪ ♪ well, i can bust curfew-breakers in an instant. well, you all have xfinity home, with cameras to home security monitored by the pros. *laughs* learn more about home security or get our self-monitored solution starting at just $10 per month. >> they'll still let him drive in circles even though he acted like like a jerk-le. using an inappropriate label that insulted the disabled. kyle bush drives a race car when it's raining but they/them/theirs worried about sensitivity - - >> that doesn't do me any good either. >> that's especially inappropriate considered he was dressed like a peanut m & m. i'll never eat them again. bush later tweeted in one of my post-race interviews i used a word i should never use and i want to apologize for it. since the word violated nascar conduct bide goo idline guidelines he will be required to do the training. it's funny they're worried racecar drivers aren't sensitive. i see those guys make lane changes without signaling constantly. kat, what do you make of the punishment? >> i just don't know why we do sensitivity training at all in general anywhere. we have hundreds of studies going back to the 1930s saying it doesn't do anything to change people's thoughts or behavior. and life is really short and i'd rather waste my time on things that are at least wastes of time that are fun. >> there you go. you know, um, brian, your book is fantastic. shouldn't we just call people killmeads instead? >> hey, you're such a killmealed. knock it off, killmead. >> if it helps me sell books i'd be all for that. that word in particular, up until ten years ago, geraldo rivera had a foundation with that word in it, he was doing great work for people a who are learning disabled, let's say, and that was in the title. >> yeah. well. should we cancel gerlado. >> you guys fight a lot. >> professor, to kat's point - - i always feel that sensitivity training is more for the corporation to say we did something, and then they could go - - do you think sensitivity training works? >> of course not. [laughter] [applause] >> the doctor's thinking of hosting - - >> it's for the corporation, it's not actually for the behavior. like kyle bush said, he made a mistake, he was wrong, and he's right. but no one said anything about the fact that he, you know, this guy almost caused him to kill himself or hurt himself. and he inhibited, and he didn't go hit the guy. >> yeah. >> no one said anything about that appropriate behavior. >> that's a good point. >> last word, harris. >> i'm reading the book. i'm learning all about it. >> um, what do you think about this? do you believe in sensitivity training? >> you know, i believe in just conversations between people. i don't know why we have to handle everything so publicly. >> that's a great point. >> i've never understood that. the point isn't then to get him to understand a different, you know, outcome for the words or behavior or whatever, the point is, what, just to shame him for not knowing suddenly? that's the opposite of sensitivity training. >> it's insensitivity training. the title of my next book. >> yo this was the headline a long time ago, but when you they in a lucker room there was nothing sensitive, it was all to offend - - so-called locker room talk we heard a lot about in 2016, that what that was. >> yeah. >> not exactly, kyle bush apologized so and he recognized that he made a mistake. and now if people are saying well, i said this before, i should be able to say it now, that's different. if you recognize that you made a mistake, cool, let's move on. >> so why does the former governor of virginia keep wearing blackface? do we have that kind of time? >> i don't think so. we're out of time, harris. she's waving us. don't go away, we'll be right back. with directv stream, i can get live tv and on demand... together. watch: serena williams... wonder woman. serena... wonder woman... serena... wonder woman... ♪ ♪ ace. advantage! you cannot be serious! ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream. >> we are out of time thanks to harris faulkner, brian killmead.

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