spokesperson, the president told blinken there should be an 88 cease-fire between israel and hamas, and that humanitarian aid must be allowed into gaza. state department officials say secretary blinken made it clear in this meeting that the u.s. has a quote, commitment to the delivery of life-saving humanitarian assistance, and resumption of essential services in gaza, and made clear that palestinians must not be forcibly displaced, and quote. blinken's visit came right after another israeli airstrike on a refugee camp in central gaza early this morning, which killed at least 47 people and wounded dozens more, according to the health ministry and gaza. this brings the death toll in gaza up to more than 9700 since october the 7th. 4800 of those dead are believed to be children, though nbc is unable to independently verify those numbers. the attack came as israel said it would press on with its offensive in gaza, despite appeals from the united states and other nations for a pause in fighting, to get desperately needed aid to civilians there. this visit is the latest stop on blinken's tour in the region, pleading for peace and progress, after meeting with israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu on friday and with multiple arab leaders yesterday. joining me now from ashdod, israel, just a few miles north of the gaza border, is nbc's josh lederman. also with us is nbc news white house correspondent -- who's new the presidents home in delaware. gentlemen, good morning to you. josh, let's start with you in a stud. what are you hearing about this most recent attack by israel on the refugee camp in the gaza strip? >> well, we are hearing from authorities from hamas in the gaza strip, as well as the health ministry there that they believe dozens were killed in this strike. we've heard nothing whatsoever about this strike, at, leap from the israeli defense forces. in fact, we've been asking them all throughout the day for some reaction to the claims that this refugee camp was struck. it's the same camp that was reportedly struck just a few days ago. so far, there is been no reaction from the idf. but we know that this refugee camp is in central gaza. it is not in northern gaza, the place that the idf has been repeatedly telling palestinian civilians for weeks now that they needed to evacuate. so that is what's fueling some of these growing international concerns about the strikes that we've seen on refugee camps, just a few days after those repeated strikes on the job liu refugee camp in northern gaza. >> erin, secretary blinken's meeting with the palestinian authority president was a surprise to us. but, it makes quite a statement, after weeks of staunch support for israel from the united states. secretary blinken did reiterate american support for -- it was a very wordy and unusually stated thing, but it was the idea that the united states supports palestine's legitimate aspirations for a state of its own. what are you hearing from the white house on this? >> the secretary did make that point after the meeting, that as you noted, was a surprise today. we know that secretary blinken spoke with president biden, the white house told us that happened right after he met with arab leaders in jordan yesterday. since then, planned what was a surprise visit to the west bank to speak with the palestinian president there. as you noticed, some of the things that came out of that meeting, we also know that there was an effort by the secretary to talk about restoring -- to the west bank, and putting an end to some of what you call extremist attacks on palestinians there, saying to israel, while he was in tel aviv, that there needs to be an effort to hold people accountable for some of the activities that have been happening in the west bank, harming palestinians. it was also, as you say, a part of the conversation that focused on what comes after. the secretary state didn't say that they had a question about exactly what needed to happen in a gaza after the war is over, but he did talk to the palestinian leader about making sure that there was a way, a path to a two state solution, as we've heard before. for the palestinians part, yesterday, today in the conversation, the president said that he wanted to see an immediate cease-fire in gaza. something that we know the israelis have side is not going to happen, ali. >> josh, where you are in southern israel is staunchly -- an area that's staunchly supportive of benjamin netanyahu. they were very pleased of the strength of the support they were getting in the initial days from the united states. -- who live around where you are today. secretary blinken was just in israel this weekend. how is this visit to the west bank resonating with israelis? -- >> i think part of the visit to the west bank that's getting the most attention here in israel, ali, actually picks up right where aaron left off, which is the question about what comes the day after. there's been so much talk about who actually might run gaza, if israel's successful in eliminating hamas. and we heard, interestingly, from palestinian president mahmoud abbas, after his meeting, saying that the palestinian authority remains the sole legitimate government for all of the palestinian territories. that they're fully ready to continue to assert that control. not over the west bank, but over gaza. you read between the lines there, and what hamas appears to be saying is that the palestinian authority would want to step up, to actually govern the gaza strip after hamas. that p.a. was in power after israel unilaterally withdrew from gaza nearly 20 years ago. then hamas took power. since, the palestinian authority, according to israel, the u.s., a lot of international observers, has really been diminished in terms of its authority, a terms of its ability to govern effectively. and so there've been a lot of questions, even the u.s., as secretary blinken has said that ultimately they would like to see the epa once again step up and control both of these territories, had said it would have to be a revitalized, more efficient palestinian authority. that is a clear nod to the fact that in the u.s. view, the palestinian authority, as it stands andra abbas, where they have not had elections and years, it's not fully prepared to govern these territories. but it is what the u.s. and apparently abbas are ultimately initiating. it's some type of democratic way to govern these territories after the fall of hamas. >> thanks to both of you for your analysis on this important development this morning. stay safe where you are, you're very close to that gaza border in israel. white house correspondent erin, good to see you. all right, i'm joined now by the ambassador -- deputy permanent observer of the state of palestine at the united nations. ambassador, it's good to see you again. thank you for joining us. we were planning on talking to this morning, i didn't know that we'd be planning to talk to you about a visit by secretary blinken to mahmoud abbas. he did say to my mood a boss, he said in the readout, it said that secretary blinken reiterated that the united states remains committed to advancing equal measures of dignity and security for palestinians and israelis alike. the secretary also expressed the commitment of the united states to working towards the realization of the palestinians legitimate aspirations for the establishment of a palestinian state, and quote. >> now, a lot of words in there. but what do you read that to be? >> so, the most important thing, to be able to do any of, this is to stop the assault. this is not a war by israel against hamas, this is a war by israel against the palestinian people. we're seeing it in gaza with these bombings that happen, including 5000 children now. we're seeing it in the west bank, with the settlers attacked, so the u.s. is saying you should respect the laws of war. you should stop the colonization, you should protect the civilians. you should allow humanitarian aid in, and stop the siege. and they're not listening to you. so they're more than willing to take your money, they're more than willing to take your weapons, but they're not ready to heed your advice. and they're coming on tv shows to tell you that we're respecting the laws of war. all these war crimes you see on tv, no, this is not the reality. the reality is this is what international law says. so the only way to stop war crimes is to stop the war. and the u.s. has come to that conclusion. the only way for there to be any chance for tomorrow is to stop this assault. and we're making every effort not to come shouting and screaming on tv screens, because they're saying there's a civilization, and these are the -- people. they're the ones that are bombing thousands of civilians, u.n. chapters, schools, hospitals, ambulances, but they're the surveillance world. >> we will likely by the end of today see 10,000 deaths in gaza. is there some sense that this visit by the secretary to president abbas, and a shift in world opinion on this, is going to have some impact on this? or is it your sense that israel remains firm? because every time israel is asked, they say this will continue until hamas is obliterated. and if there is collateral damage, which means the death of civilians in the process, that's the way it goes. >> everyone has to hold them accountable. you can't have the country claim every life, and every obligation. and this is been happening for 75 years. again, you've been telling them that if they don't address the palestinian issue, the worst might happen. the violence is eminent, the violence that the palestinians have been planning for decades. that will also have an impact on the israelis. but they were not listening. and again, -- even their closest allies criticizing them, they see the u.n. and they're the ones giving lessons to the world instead of listening to the lessons of history. somebody needs to put an end to this. somebody needs to say enough is enough. when the minister of jordan says this is entrenching hate, this is an entire palestinian generation that is under the bombs and under the attacks. and the whole world is watching. and in the middle east and beyond, this is interesting hate. and we've been fighting hate for so long. we've been trying to find a peaceful way to end this conflict. why are they determined to prove was wrong? to demonstrate there is no peaceful way. we'll keep killing each other, until one? so it's time to say enough is enough, that is not the way. israel is not fighting against hamas, it really is not going to fight -- israel is not trying to release the people held captive. it's bombing everywhere. this can be done by mediation, this can be done by political rules. this can be done by showing that peace is possible. this is how you convince people that there's another way that this is possible. but if you disregard palestinian lives, if they did test that they even become to the human family, if they call us human animals on tv sets, if they say it's not relevant how many people are killed, and you continue the same message that israel as a right to self defense, that israel has to continue the war, but with a bit of a different means, maybe in a nicer way, that is not -- and that is against u.s. interest. not only against is really peoples interest, this is against u.s. interest. so this is a type of clarity. and beauty will not be enough. saying the right things about the protection of civilians and the palestinian state, equal measures of freedom and security and peace, is not enough. you stop this war, and then we act for peace. >> let's talk about the conversation that occurred this morning again between mahmoud abbas and secretary blinken about the palestinian authority, and the claim that the palestinian authority makes that they are the sole legitimate government of the palestinian people. that of course, means that in your view, hamas is not. that's a complicating factor. tell me about that. does that mean that on the day after, as israelis describe it, the day after they are satisfied that hamas has been defenestrated, that the palestinian authority it is suggesting that it is in a position to take over the governance of gaza? >> the first, the second, and the third message that the secretary of state heard from the palestinian side and the arab side is to stop the assault. this is the main message. you can -- we have 2000 people, >> so this is not a time to imagine a scenario that will not happen if -- which is peoples lives. and then we need of course political process. because all of this comes from the absence of political process. of an end of occupation, and freedom for the palestinian people. and in that context, we are saying in the context of a political process, of course we have sovereignty over all of the palestinian territory. but again, imagine the images that the palestinians and the whole world are watching. you have two sets of images. you have the images of palestinians, bombs in every place they go, nowhere safe in gaza. and you have images of hamas militants standing up to israeli tanks for his your draft stunts. are you sure that these images are the kind of images that produced the outcome we are talking about? these are the images that would demonstrate that israel is the peace loving country that it says it's going to be? again, i'm hearing all the political spectrum. we are very clear about not killing civilians, about peace, about the two-state solution. you have the opposition and the governing party, they tell you it can't be worse. even those who say we are having a two state solution -- we have the right to build, what they call the west bank. the occupied west bank. we have the right to keep all of jerusalem. you tell me, what is the solution? >> so so let me ask you about this. you're talking about the israelis who are on tv and an hour, we're going to have the former prime minister of israel on the show. he is probably in the building now. he may well be watching. that's what would you say to him? >> you know, the war, you ask him about what he thinks the palestinian state, and ask him if he considers the [inaudible] you ask him about the map that the netanyahu held in the u.n., word gaza, and [inaudible] you need to have the same courage that is as for the palestinian leadership to proclaim international law, proclaim is against killing civilians, palestinian and israeli civilians. all of them. to claim that it is in line with the two state solution and line with the u.n. resolution. you would consider, if they don't do these things, it's an unacceptable party to talk. do you consider them your ally. so why is your ally allowed to kill civilians, allowed to colonize, allowed to say it doesn't accept the palestinian state, and allowed to destroy it? they keep speaking of the destruction of israel. the only country that has been to shortest palestine, effectively destroy it. every day. so, again, you've seen me, you've seen me a few days ago. we are trying to keep our calm. we are trying to remain visionaries, to be brave about peace. every day that passes, you are making as harder. you are making this more impossible. it needs to stop now. civilian lives are sacred. palestinian, civilian lives, they're also sacred. if you can justify killing palestinian civilians, you'll find people to justify killing israeli civilians. if you can justify hatred towards palestinians, you'll find people to justify hatred towards the israelis. we're trying to have a different path. the meeting with blinken on the palestinian leadership, and the arab leadership has, it's exactly the same message. all of those who know what this means, for generations to come. so you can't stand by israel in the war against the palestinians. that you cannot do. this wars against the palestinians. >> ambassador, as always, thank you for your time. we appreciate you being with us this morning. ambassador is the deputy observer of the state of palestine the united states. all, right coming, up donald trump will take the witness stand tomorrow, testifying in his new york civil fraud trial, and while he's there, multiple other courts across the country are weighing whether to remove his name from the ballot in 2024. we'll discuss why he could be disqualified with the preeminent leader scholar, former federal judge, michael -- this tuesday's election day, ohioans will head to the polls to vote on a consequential abortion ballot measure that could have national implications. we'll talk to the former head of the ohio democratic party but where things stand. you are watching velshi. we'll be right back. ht back. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. theo's nose was cause for alarm, so dad brought puffs plus lotion to save it from harm. puffs has 50% more lotion and brings soothing relief. don't get burned by winter nose. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. nice footwork. man, you're lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. now you can stream all your games like it's nothing. yes! 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>> yes, ali. this week, as you said, the constitutional process, with american people, to determine whether the former president is disqualified from the future me, under section three of the 14th amendment began. section three of the 14th amendment very simply says that any person who has previously taken an oath to support the constitution of the united states, and thereafter engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the united states, shell to be disqualified from holding any office under the united states. the, i of course, not listening all the arguments, i've read some of the transcripts. i've read reporting about the arguments that have been made this week and both colorado and minnesota. even more specifically, i've read some of the questioning by the judges from the bench. it seems to me that, frankly, all parties to these different litigations in the various states, to this point, have misunderstood section three of the 14th amendment. as i've said, it disqualifies one who is engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the united states of america. it does not, by its terms, disqualify one who engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the united states, or the authority of the united states. there is a world of constitutional difference between those two. it is, of course, to the former presidents advantage, for his lawyers to argue that section three disqualifies anyone who engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the united states, with the authority of the united states. that's not what section three actually says. but in both litigations, ali, both parties have focused on almost exclusively whether the attack on the united states capitol, on january six, constituted and insurrection or rebellion against the united states. as to be expected, the former president's lawyers have argued, well, no. it was not an insurrection at all. if it were, the former president had nothing to do with that insurrection on the capitol. unfortunately, at least as far as i have seen, the challenges to the presidents qualifications to hold a future office have essentially bought into that wrong arguments by the former president's lawyers. they, for their part, have tried to establish that the former president did not incite or participate and an insurrection against the united states. the compelling case under section three, for the former presidents disqualification, is this. his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and remain in power, notwithstanding that he had lost his election, constituted a rebellion against the constitution of the united states. specifically, the executive investing clause of the united states constitution. this very simply prescribes that the term of the president of the united states extends for four years, and for years only. unless he is elected, or reelected, by the american people. >> let me ask you this, because in minnesota, at least one of the judges on the panel did express some skepticism that they, as officials at the state level, should be the ones to decide this. one judge said that in her analysis, she found that there are things that seem to suggest that there is a fundamental role for congress to play, and not the states. the suggest that it's a national matter for congress to decide, unquote. you and i have talked about this in the past. obviously we believe that this will get to the supreme court, and perhaps the supreme court will understand the argument that you are making about the distinction between a rebellion against the constitution versus a rebellion against the united states of the authority of the united states, but you have mentioned that a normal reading at the constitution in the 14th amendment, section three, would say that congress can -- >> i hope i didn't say that, ali. if i did, i certainly didn't mean it. on that issue in particular, my point is that section three is self executing. which means that in simple terms, it does not require finding by the congress of the united states, nor does it require a criminal conviction of the former presidents for insurrection, or rebellion. but going to your larger question, this is exactly what i've seen this week, the parties are confused, and they, in turn, have confused the courts. so, for instance, the united states supreme court will never have any difficulty understanding that the courts, first, the lower courts, and ultimately the supreme court of the united states, are the proper institutions of government to decide this question. why? because it is a pure question of constitutional law whether the former president engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the united states. and legal parlance, this is not a factual question, nor is it a mixed question of fact and law. again, to my main point, the former president engaged in a rebellion against the constitution when he tried to remain in office, notwithstanding that he had lost the votes of the american people. that was a violation of the executive fasting clause of the united states constitution. >> and you are right. you didn't say that it would fall to congress, you did use the term self executing. this is why guys like we should never be anywhere close to the law because that's when i took it to mean. you're 100% right. you said that it was self executing, i appreciate your clarity on that, sir. always good to see you, judge. thank you for being with. this judge luttig is a former judge for the court of appeals for the birds soda. he is our go-to expert on this issue on whether or not donald trump's -- hold office under the 14th amendment of the constitution. thank, you judge. this tuesday, ohioans will vote on a measure that it will be codified portion writes in the state's constitution. it's one of the most consequential ballot measures that voters will see this election day. we'll talk about it on the other side. her side my brain. so i choose new neuriva ultra. unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. about two years ago, i realized that jade was overweight. i wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. after farmer's dog, she's a much healthier weight. she's a lot more active. and she's able to join us on our adventures. get started at betterforthem.com right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. at least 27 journalist have lost their lives in gaza since the israel-hamas war began on october 7th according to the palestinian journalist union. one of those journalist was mohammed up -- from the network palestine tv. i want to show you a clip of his colleagues reporting on his death on air. >> [speaking in a global language] >> they're saying the best in the helmets don't protect, is that the slogans we wear. we wait one after the other four. death -- have asked the israeli defense forces if they can guarantee the safety of journalists. in a letter, the idf said it could not. that it is targeting all hamas military activity through cause that, adding that hamas deliberately put military operations near journalists and civilians. we'll be right back. right back. et for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. 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[music playing] a month after republicans in ohio undermined abortion rights is coming to a head this week's ohio voters are going to the polls to decide whether or not to enshrine the right to abortion in the state constitution. ohio winds have been clear and consistent when it comes to support for abortions. they have, without fail, voted to protect the right to end a pregnancy. republicans of the state have been working overtime to prevent ohioans from protecting that right. when they couldn't keep the issue off the ballot altogether earlier this year, republicans in the state shifted their tactic. ohio republicans proposed a constitutional amendment that would require 60% of the vote for all constitutional amendments instead of a simple majority that was currently needed. ohio voters would reject that proposal in august, which means that on tuesday, as voters go to the poll to vote on whether or not to enshrine abortion rights in the ohio state constitution, they will only need a simple majority of the vote. it now, confusingly, that was called issue one in august and abortion advocates got out there voters message that they should vote no on issue one. now, they've had to shift their messaging because this month's issue one asks voters who support the right to the abortion to vote yes on issue one. passing this amendment shouldn't be difficult in ohio, again, ohioans have consistently voted to protect the right to choice by relatively wide margins. there is a catch. while republicans fail to get the issue of the volatile together, and while they fail to require a higher threshold to pass the amendment, this time around, the republicans were able to shift the language on the ballot itself. issue one on tuesday will include a summary of the amendments which uses propagandistic, anti abortion ge that is not medically accurate. ohio reproductive rights group sued the ballot board over the way the ballot was written while the state supreme court required some minor changes to the misleading language, most of it remains intact, and will appear on this week'st. for instance, it will use the words unborn child instead of l viability. this change alone tends to impa voters. last month, a poll out ooh state universities found that using unborn child insf fetal viability on ballots decrease support for abortion access by 16%. it doesn't end there. the secretary of state ordered a purge on nearly 30,000 voters last week, without a customary public announcement of the voter perch. voters will not be able to re-register in time to vote on tuesday. so there is a lot of context behind this week's of ohio. manipulative and medically inaccurate language, a surprising purge of voters, and the confusing frame enough the language which is the reverse of what it was the last time ohioans voted on this particular issue. nevertheless, ohio voters will go to the polls this tuesday to vote yes or no on issue one, which would in shrine the right to abortion in the state's constitution. ohio is the only state with an abortion question on the ballot this fall. it may be a harbor juror of what is ahead as we barrel towards the general election. after a quick break, i'll be joined by david pepper. he's the former chair of the ohio democratic party. he will discuss where the ballot measure stance. ot measure stance. make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. take a moment to pause and ask, why did you get vaccinated against pneumococcal pneumonia? i help others. but i need to help protect myself. honestly? i couldn't afford to get sick. i want to be there for this one. i can't if i'm sick. pneumococcal pneumonia is a potentially serious bacterial lung disease. you may be at risk if you're 19 to 64 with certain chronic conditions. or if you're 65 or older. don't pause a moment longer. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated against pneumococcal pneumonia today. ♪ vicks vapostick provides soothing, non-medicated vicks vapors. [exhales] easy to apply for the whole family. vicks vapostick and try vaposhower for steamy vicks vapors. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. i thought it was kind of sneaky that it was being placed last minute on a special election. >> lisa, napa registered republican, believes and low taxes and slow government. she also says women's bodies are their own business. >> so that's a big republican ideal, that government stays at your business. in this particular issue, they are getting in your business. >> do you think abortion is an issue that will direct to you choose? >> absolutely. if somebody was like, hey, i want to impose a six-week ban, i would never vote for that person. i think the abortion issue is a lot bigger than most people have realized it is. you know? for republicans. >> that might be the take away. before the break, i told you about a consequential measure that millions of voters in ohio will face when they step into the ballot box on tuesday. this wooden shrine abortion rights in the state constitution. for more on this, i'm joined by david pepper, the former chairman of the ohio democratic party. david, while i want to talk about the politics behind it, i think that we need to talk small ball for a moment. i want to put up the image from clermont county dems, and clare are up bought, ohio. the confusion around the language of this ballots, and the image reads, and going to ask p.j. to put it up. if you voted no in august, vote yes on november 7th. i'm going to keep that up when you tell me about what this means, and why this is so important. >> sure. you've summarized it very well. for the last almost year, we've seen a nonstop, i would, say use of government power to try to interfere with the voters of ohio getting their say on whether or not a woman has a right to choose in ohio. so whether it was trying to rig the rules halfway through with the august election, whether it is true ballot manipulation that george orwell would be embarrassed of, or they didn't just add the word unborn child, they added multiple times the word fetus only appeared twice. the word unborn child appears four times. the summary of the ballot, the summary is sort of what they are supposed to be doing. their summary is longer than the ballot language itself. this was a clear manipulation ballot. the poll shows that it has some effect. now we see the purging. this is supposed to be about the citizens of ohio, the amendment process is supposed to be about the citizens of ohio given, boy seen they're well in the constitution. in this case, the government officials simply keep interfering in a beuse of powers that they have where they're supposed to be sort of neutral referees. they're putting a massive -- they're changing the rules, changing the language, purging voters, other things to. you know, they literally created a few months ago a taxpayer funded senate, state senate media operation. they're running all the anti-issues on media messages through it. its government sponsored communication. it's outrageous. why are they doing it? because they know that the woman who you just interviewed, there that she speaks for the majority of ohioans. most ohioans, and by the, way one technical thing, but it's important. this amendment establishes the right of ohioans to make decisions about reproductive rights. whether it's about abortion, contraception, miscarriage care, fertility. of course, they illuminate all those other options from the amendment, so it's only about abortion. this is say, you know, or member that the -- when he said, abortion law should come down to a woman, a doctor, and his local official. he lost because of that. you think it should be a woman and her doctor? or a woman and her doctor and a local elected official. so here's the thing, the margin in august is pretty good. between the voter rolls that have been purged, the confusing language, and the use of unborn babies, are you worried about this? >> in ohio, you've got to always be worried come election day. i was worried in august when we talked. you don't take anything for granted. it's always been a head, not they've always been ahead because of all this. is it getting nearer? yes. are we having to overcome not just lies and campaign ads, but lies through governments in the language on the ballot? yes. one thing to keep an eye on in ohio, this is something republicans are running from, they're going to run for next year. the default issue unveils is not some status quo, it is the abortion ban, no exceptions for rape or incest, that sent the rape victim to indiana last year. they don't want that to be clear. that is the result in ohio. if this issue unveils that's what's going to happen here. they're trying to pretend otherwise, they're trying to lie otherwise. they know, and this is true in the country, that if people understand that that's the consequence, that issue one should pass. that is what ohioans, if you haven't voted, yet that is the outcome. and the governor is trying to say, oh, we negotiate this, we're going to change it. he had his chance, and he signed an extreme ban, no exceptions, that sense ten-year-old rape victim to indiana. they're never going to change this. if you vote yes, your voting to give ohioans a right to make their own decisions, if you vote no, the result will be a law that literally says, even victims of rape have to go somewhere else because here in ohio, they don't get new treatment. that's just wrong. that is something that 80% of ohioans disagree with. the far-right is working very, very hard to make it about anything but their extremism. that, in the end, is what prompted this entire amendment process to begin with. it was a response tat