Letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. We are grateful. The beat with Ari Melber starts right now. Hi, ari. Hi, nicolle. Thanks so much. Welcome to The Beat. Im aarri melber. It is tuesday, exactly one month out from the election. I can tell you off top one of the most common maga Talking Points about Kamala Harris that youve probably heard is taking a hard fall today. Trump has been arguing that she wasnt doing any or enough press interviews. And youll remember when she first stepped up as the nominee. It was a frenetic stretch where she launched a new campaign, a convention, a fundraising operation, and picked a running mate. All of that over several weeks, faster than anyone in history because of the switch. And trump and his allies had been hammering that she wasnt doing interviews then or enough. Theyve been hammering this line of attack. Well, the harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all. As Jimmy Cliff famously put it. Respect. Because that would apply right now. This maga Talking Point is taking a hard fall as harris steps up to journalistic interviews while trump ducks them, like on 60 minutes. And harris also leading a Media Blitz this week from classic forums like The View. I havent seen trump on there recently. To Howard Stern, which ill get to in a minute. To these new media podcasts where shes engaging with different independent media hosts and their sometimes younger audiences. So that Talking Point has taken a hard fall. And here is just some of the harris tour. Kamala harris has been a candidate for president for just 2 1 2 months. We are thrilled that joining us right now for her very first Talk Show Appearance Vice President. Alex. Welcome to call her daddy. It is good to be with you. Please welcome back the next President Of The United States. Im here on a special day. I was supposed to have a day off. Id only come in for the Vice President of the united states. A whole lot of women out here who, one, are not aspiring to be humble. We just played prince all night long. We danced, we sang his songs. When you become president , will you come back on The View . Of course i will. So thats just some of whats been happening on this ongoing tour. And these are the mainstream outlets which many campaigns court. And harris is using them to of course take the hard questions sometimes. Also get her message out. She talked a range of policy and took the questions again on the forum that most nominees usually go to, both Party Nominees. Ill get into why Trump Wasnt there. But these are the kind of questions that this cycle she is the only Nominee Answering on 60 minutes. So what kind of gun do you own and when and why did you get it . I have a glock. Was it a mistake to loosen the Immigration Policies as much as you did . Its a longstanding problem. And solutions are at hand. But were dealing with the real world here. But the real world includes how are you going to get this through congress . You know, when you talk quietly with a lot of folks in congress, they know exactly what im talking about. Thats some of the back and forth. The interview ran about 20 minutes. Again, trump was not there. Those would be fair questions for him as well. How are you going to get something through congress, this congress, which has had multiple republican speakers has not been super effective in terms of passing a lot of domestic legislation. I dont say that as a burn, just an observation. But trump didnt take those questions. And so what the nation saw and i dont have to remind you a lot of voters still watch 60 minutes, was an explanation of why Donald Trump claimed he would do the interview and then misleadingly backed out while harris was there. This is what people heard last night. This year Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump accepted our invitation. But unfortunately last Week Trump canceled. The campaign offered shifting explanations. First it complained that we would factcheck the interview. We factcheck every story. Later trump said he needed an apology for his interview in 2020. If he is not going to give your viewers the ability to have a meaningful, thoughtful conversation, Question And Answer with you, then watch his rallies. You will not hear about how hes going to try to bring the country together, find common ground. And bill, that is why i believe in my Soul And Heart the american people are ready to turn the page. So thats just some of this playing out on 60 minutes. But theres also a larger dynamic. If this were a oneoff about one show, even a great classic wellwatched News Show like 60 minutes, you might say okay, the candidate has an issue with that show. Lets not make a whole meal out of it. But im going to show you the evidence that there is a whole meal here even if some of the ingredients are toxic and people have to make up their own mind about what they want to ingest. The information we ingest can be as damaging as other things we put in our body. But the theme here is something i told but last night. Its bigger than 60 minutes or any single show. We are seeing Donald Trump Run And Duck from any place where he thinks he might be held accountable or factchecked in real time. And that includes places he used to go all the time. Which brings us to the Shock Jock himself, although hes evolved over the years. Howard stern. What does Howard Stern have in common with a venerated News Magazine Show like 60 minutes . Well, theyre both places that were trumps stomping grounds. Remember, trump previously went on 60 minutes and did it last cycle, and we mentioned that. Trump and stern go back many years. This is actually a picture of then the Shock Jock and then the real estate magnate, or pretend magnate, depending on which financials you believe, together at one of trumps weddings, his first. Donald trump has gone on Howard Sterns Show Dozens of times. Politico has a whole breakdown on that. So this is exactly the kind of thing that Donald Trump would use on his way up, if you want to call it that. And he used to be able to handle questions from Howard Stern about a whole range of topics. Now what we have is Kamala Harris going on Howard Stern and Donald Trump Running Away. So his only interviewed this week have been on fox and on a conservative Radio Show where he thought he would get a certain type of treatment. On Howard Stern, again, like 60 minutes, a big platform that reaches millions and not all of them are automatically bidenharris administration supporters, Kamala Harris used this interview while trump runs and hides to discuss her approach. Why shes engaging these different forums. And also put it in the context of what i told you is larger than just beef with one show. The larger theme which you and i may know about and people who follow the news may know about but in october as other people tune in the fact that Donald Trump has a problem with the courts, independent journalism, and any other independent Power Structure that might hold him accountable, which raises questions about what his second term would be like. He says hes going to be a dictator on Day One. What do dictators do . They jail journalists. They put people who are protesting in The Street in jail. He said he thinks he wants to go after jimmy kimmel, a comedian. He wants to go after Stephen Colbert and seth meyers. Now, if jimmy kimmels not safe, whos safe . It would be a laughing matter except it isnt. Because those instincts which Donald Trump is not disavowing. The guys literally running for president. If you believe these state polls, he seems tied. And even in that context where the political benefits might run the other way he still has to blurt out dictator for some of the time, abuse of power some of the time, prosecute his enemies maybe. So this is serious stuff. Harris is using this broad swath of different approaches, forums and media to reach people. That includes the journalistic outlets which do factcheck. It includes these Radio Shows that trump used to go on when he wasnt running scared. While trump is burroing deeper into what you might call his own selfimposed content tunnel. The candidate who as i reminded you at the top of the show accused his opponent of ducking hard questions is the one actually avoiding all the hard questions, whether thats from Howard Stern or 60 minutes, and then seeking refuge on fox. The harder they fall. Foxs outlet, which broadcast so many proven election lies that after Donald Trumps loss in 2020 it broadcast those lies and then had to pay a record Defamation Penalty, so this is not exactly a 60 Minutes Level Interview here or even a Shock Jock interview. Historically this has been a Safe Space for maga snowflakes. Their terms, not ours. But the Defamation Penalty was so costly that i can show you tonight how this is even changing things over there. Even Maga Allied Hosts are doing some Fact Checking of trump in real time. So to set up what im about to show you i want to just show a basic fact. Amidst these terrible hurricanes and all the risk we are facing Kamala Harris visited North Carolina yesterday. Now, thats not a big deal one way or the other. Its what you might expect a sitting Vice President or major Party Nominee to do. I can tell you both candidates, trump and harris, have been talking about these threats and have visited some of the affected areas, although on the facts they have a different approach. But that public observable fact is known. So when Donald Trump went on Fox Lying and claiming the opposite about harris, Laura Ingraham corrected him in front of The Fox audience. But she shouldnt be there anyway. She should be i would say North Carolina is so bad. And she should she was there today for three hours i believe. Kamala harris. Now, that is not how many Fox Evening hosts handled trumps election lies last campaign season. It is a shift. And notice it comes amidst what im telling you about, trump Running Away from these other forums i mentioned because of Fact Checking, because of any adversarial effort to hold him accountable is something that right now he would rather avoid and run from even if It Squares the circle and shreds his own Talking Points about the other team doing the thing hes doing. The point im exploring here with you tonight is not chiefly about ideology or partisanship, not about whether people vote for one party or the other, which is a rich tradition in our country and you should do your Homework And Vote for whoever you choose. Im not speaking in partisanship, which comes up plenty in campaigns. Im speaking about a deeper Fault Line, which i also reported on last night. Its a Fault Line over facts right now. The Maga Gop increasingly uses lies as a litmus test. You have to support the lies for trump to be in good standing with the party. And trump awaits a federal trial about Election And Coup lies. And it does not usually stay neatly contained to just some lies for the leader or just one topic. Those are the kind of rationalizations weve heard even right here on this desk from some trump allies or former allies. The lies and disinfo, for example, are spreading now to the federal Governments Response to Hurricane Helene and hurricane milton, which is barreling toward florida. And they have consequences. Emergency response officials say the misinformation is confusing residents, who could be in danger. There are echoes here of what it was like when Donald Trump was president. You remember the covid response, the many lies, the disinformation, the bleach. People have memory holed that, but that matters. Thats the person in charge, how they wield the awesome authority they have in office. Bob woodard now revealing new scoops about trump sending Covid Tests to putins regime back then. Theres echoes of President Trump doing the disinfo he did in real time when he infamously doctored a Hurricane Map with a sharpie. The mayor of tampa, which is in the hurricane path, is not making a political or campaign point today. But in a preview of what could be a more serious problem if trump were reelected, pleading with residents to please, for your own Safety Focus on the facts from the credible sources including emergency responders, not political propaganda designed to gain power even if it endangers your life. Please dont get political on this. This storm is going to affect everybody. And we are getting the help that we need from all of the different governmental officials. Hate to break it to you, but a lot of what you see on Social Media is not factual. Stick with the facts. Still with the facts. And those kinds of officials and authorities generally avoid going further to stir up even more partisanship by saying theyre responding to maga lies or Donald Trump. Theyre trying to do this in as clear and straightforward a way as possible. But honoring those facts sometimes does require being clear with the public, clear with you about whos doing the lying. This is not a drill. This is not a movie where we imagine a hurricane or a pandemic or Foreign Policy issues that turn on Life And Death outcomes to illustrate what we need. This is really happening. Its Life And Death. And Kamala Harris amidst taking the questions that trump is ducking also confronting this today. Its profound and it is the height of irresponsibility and frankly callousness. Yeah. So lives are literally at stake right now. And the idea that somebody would be playing political games for the sake of himself. But this is so consistent about Donald Trump. He puts himself before the needs of others i fear that he really lacks empathy. You and governor desantis have been going back and forth. I have called and talked with, in the course of this crisis, this most recent crisis, democrat and republican governors. Hell take your call when youre president. Yeah. [ cheers and applause ] heres the thing you should know on that point. And when im president i will continue to call him to see what he needs for help. The spirit there of outreach Emergency Response Sans Partisanship even against partisan actors. That is also up for the voters to assess right now, that model of leadership versus what Donald Trump said. I told you before, politics is often too important to be left to politicians. Tonight i will update that with Something Else that is basic but sometimes i share with you basic straightforward things and repeat them. The truth is way too important to be left up to political liars who do not seem to care whether you the public live or die. We have two special guests here, Juanita And Melanie when were back after our shortest break in 90 seconds. Break in 90 seconds e. 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Full disclosure, i have blurbed it. And melanie za doana, senior congressional reporter with punch bowl. Juanita, theres nothing new about these fact Fault Lines but we just explored why Theres Something larger. The Vice President says this is when it goes back to governing. This is not just for Homework Fact check types journalistic types. This matters. It matters about what type of leader and the character of a leader. Take Donald Trump at his word when he says he wants to be dictator on Day One. He looks up and idolizes dictators like putin. Which that covid Test Handoff was just very strange to read about today during the Peak Height of the pandemic. But it comes back to what you stated at the top. Look whos hiding now. And as Vice President Kamala Harris is out there making a very important pitch to the voters to understand what they would get with a second trump presidency. Donald trump has lost the narltive. He is nowhere near the coverage today, and that allows for the Vice President to dominate and set the frame about what people should be thinking about as they cast their ballots. And i say that knowing that the election is happening now. Early voting started two weeks ago. People are casting their ballots with this front of mind. And i will say in talking to some of trumps allies, some of his supporters they will tell you at least privately that the more trump talks the more he hurts himself. Kind of ironic, given that the gop Talking Point thats been that democrats want to keep Kamala Hidden Away and she wants to stay in these controlled environments. But if you look at It Trump has failed when hes been in these settings where hes confronted or being asked tough questions or being held accountable. Look at the first debate even. His performance was actually pretty terrible. It was just overshadowed by joe bidens performance and all his problems as a candidate really came to the forefront with the last debate, which by the way he is still complaining about if you look at his rallies or Social Media. Exactly. Not surprising that he declined to go on the 60 Minutes Interview. But it does speak to i think what he sees as some of his weaknesses as a candidate. Right. And that may explain some of the shift. We showed not only he used to go on stern but even in this recent era he was on 60 minutes. The rallies are decreasing. Its almost like a Trump Campaign long Distance Relationship Strategy now. If you keep him away and they only see him occasionally maybe they will remember him more fondly than what hes currently like. We could show the rally chart. Because its a huge contrast when you look at the evidence. From 16 where he used those and twitter to sort of barrel into the conversation. Can you believe what he said now . And here, fewer rallies and fewer of those sort of moments. As for the governing, take a listen to new from harris on Howard Stern discussing what president s do including appointing Supreme Court members. The strength of america includes that we have been committed as americans, its part of our spirit, to the expansion of rights. Right. And for the first time were seeing a restriction of rights. And understand if Donald Trump were to get another term most of the legal scholars think that theres going to be maybe even two more seats that will be up. Melanie . Yeah, that is a central argument that youre hearing from democrats up and down the ballot, is something theyre also using in congressional races, right . Theyre saying this is why It Matters to have a democraticcontrolled senate, because there could be another supreme Court Seat that is up for grabs. And we have seen the realtime effects from the Donald Trump presidency and the Supreme Court justices he appointed. Roe vs. Wade of course was overturned. That is something Kamala Harris has been a really strong messenger on. Shes continuing to beat that drum, as are democrats up and down the ballot. And theyve also been making the case that perhaps they need to change the senate rules in order to codify roe v. Wade. So that is something that is permeating races up and down the ballot. On the 60 minutes of it all, juanita, do you think that its a net win for harris to have so many people see oh, Trump Wasnt there . Or as some people worried, she ended up being peppered with all these Policy Questions and hes just not there being questioned. Look, i think my granddad used to regularly say 90 of it is showing up. And Vice President harris is doing that. I think her ability to respond to the deeper substance of policy is something that you would never get from Donald Trump anyway. So who knows what that 60 Minutes Interview would have looked like . Now, being able to break it down, though, with a Legacy Media Outlet i think is important, especially how she balanced her press hits with call your daddy. Call her daddy. Which i didnt have on my Bingo Card for a president ial interview during this election. But i know the play here. Even with Howard Stern. Howard stern gets tens of millions of listeners. Largely young men. A demographic that Donald Trump has an advantage with. Call her daddy is what, the second most listened to podcast by a woman its her and rogan. Yeah. Its a massive demographic of 18 to 35yearold women, who we know Vice President harris is looking to turn out. Now, what was interesting after that interview was the split in reaction of that audience where because theyre not typically dabbling in politics like this, especially president ial politics. But whats reassuring is knowing that majority of the listeners are getting this message from harris in a new way that they likely wouldnt have gotten because i dont think theres much crossover between the 60 Minutes Audience and the call her daddy audience. I might be the only one in that category. There you go. And we salute you for that. Its a fascinating development. And again, you couldnt script it as a more obvious shredding of this Talking Point, which not just maga, i heard all sorts of people say is she cocooned. We reminded people all the things she was doing the first few weeks. The only person cocooned this week in the media is Donald Trump and even Laura Ingraham is having to correct him within the Safe Space. Juanita and melanie, great to see both of you. Coming up, elon Musks Billionaire Bromance with trump and how complicated its getting even with leaps of joy. 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And tonight weve been covering many aspects of this campaign, including what is still the most important question for any candidate you are assessing for high office. How will they actually govern . In this case we have a current Vice President and a former president. So we have some clues about both of them. And then we get new information. Not exactly a fullblown october surprise, but definitely a new revelation from the legendary journalist bob woodward, who is known for tough coverage of every administration. His new book is war. The whole book comes out october 15th. An inside look at the Biden And Trump responses to what is obviously this chaotic international order that weve been living through. Woodward has written that trump was unfit to lead, worse than nixon, Who Woodward And Bernstein famously covered in their watergate books and Washington Post Coverage that changed the course of history. He says, its the most reckless and impulsive president in all of american history. And he details something that overlaps with what Kamala Harris just said, but for those who think of that as just political rhetoric, this is reporting. That trump did not put the basic Public Safety or public interest of the American Citizenry First or second or anywhere near his priorities and instead trump was vengeful following his election loss. His former Campaign Manager told woodward he doesnt see 24 as a comeback but rather Vengeance And Trump has hit on that. Take a listen. A lot of people will say, well, hes just going to do to them what they did to him and get back at them and yeah, yeah. A lot of people say thats what should happen. If you want to know the truth. But youre not going to do that. When you get into office youre going to look at all your political enemies no, i want to make this the most successful country in the world. Thats what i want to do. Woodward then reporting about how Donald Trump used his office, the powers that he gets from being president , to apparently try to sweeten the pot with someone that most administrations including republicans have seen as an adversary, the dictator of russia, vladimir putin. Trump aide telling trump i mean excuse me, telling woodward that Trump And Putin have been speaking on the phone repeatedly since he left office, up to seven times. We can tell you that today trumps spokespeople say that these allegations are just, quote, made up. Woodward is standing by his multisource reporting. He will be speaking out, im sure, and well be tracking that as well. Now we turn to the special guest i mentioned, a former Deputy Press Secretary in the trump administration, sarah matthews, who also testified before the January 6th committee and spoke about her experiences and why shes now backing Kamala Harris on The Beat last week. Welcome back. Thank you for having me back. Lets start with those reports. Whether or not you were an Eye Wints to that we have Woodward Reporting on Trump Sharing Covid tests with skpooint since leaving office talking with putin. The Core Allegation is its somehow for trump, not for the american public. How do you view the reporting . Yeah, i was not familiar with that reporting. That came out. And it was really alarming to me because we had recent reporting from politico that showed us that during wildfires in California Trump didnt want to send relief to americans then until he was shown Voter Data that they were supporters of his. Then you have during the pandemic americans who were suffering and dying because of this onceinalifetime pandemic and people couldnt get a hold of tests but what does he do . Hes not sending them to the american people. Hes sending them to our adversary, a dictator and a murderer, vladimir putin. And that just goes to show you that hes buddybuddy with someone like that because he admires dictators. He wants to emulate them. And hes even said so, that he would be a dictator on Day One. And i know a lot of republicans love to say oh, trumps just kidding. Well, my pushback to that is who jokes about that . What kind of american president jokes about being a dictator on Day One . And i think that it just shows how cozy their relationship is. And thats been one of my points of contention with him actually beyond the things that i have disagreed with him about, January 6th as you mentioned, i testified against him in front of the January 6th committee because i believe hes unfit for a lot of reasons. But another thing is this relationship he has with putin and how i believe he would abandon ukraine. Its definitely something that shines a light further on just how close the two of them are. Mmhmm. On this idea of prioritizing somehow sweetening the pot for putin on the covid crisis rather than any other number of things you could do with the tests, the Vice President was asked about this today. This is a big topic. And lets listen to what she said here, airing for the first time. Donald trump has this desire to be a dictator. He admires strongmen. People were dying by the hundreds. Yeah. Everybody was scrambling to get these kits, the tests, the Covid Test kits. You couldnt get them. Couldnt get them. Right. Couldnt get them anywhere. Right. And this guy who was President Of The United States is sending them to russia, to a murderous dictator for his personal use . When you look at that and then the people still supporting trump, which you were engaged with at this table last week, what is their understanding of this . The fissure on Jan 6 relates to all this because its do you want to be in the Democracy Business or do you want to be in the Dictator Business . And he sort of has his Cute Or Maga answers to that. But this isnt rhetoric. This is what he did with a dictator. How do you see that affecting either the people in that orbit and ultimately the voters who may still be trump curious and may have memory holed some of how he really governed in these crises . Yeah. I mean, its so concerning to me just given it clearly shines the light on how close they are. The fact that even in Woodwards Book we know theyve talked at minimum seven times since trump left office. And this is all at a time when putin was invading ukraine. So what was trump talking about on the phone with him . Was he undermining u. S. Foreign policy and the job of president biden by having these conversations secretly with putin . I mean, who knows what they were discussing . And then i think too for the republicans who will defend Donald Trump still and will still support him despite this cozy relationship he has with our adversary, vladimir putin, i think that my pushback is its not even just this Covid Test example, where that is something appalling to me that he was sending Covid Tests to a murderous dictator while americans were dying. But he has said things like that he would give parts of ukraine away to putin and that we need to come to some solution and that might be part of the solution. I believe in fighting for Freedom And Democracy and supporting our allies. And so i would not like to see that happen in ukraine. Im not saying we need to write a Blank Check to ukraine. I know a lot of republicans think weve sent too much money. But i think its a worthy investment if we can keep the war contained there without it spreading further to our nato allies and without having to put a single american soldier on the ground. And also i think too, this is something i brought up last week on your show, that trump has said that maybe he would let putin invade our ukraine our nato allies because theyre not contributing enough to nato and so he has made kind of these i think lighthearted remarks saying oh, maybe we should people hear the signal. Yeah. But we should take Donald Trump at his word. He doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt. Im running over on time but i have one more question for you. You know we keep it real around here. We had that panel last week. And i heard from a lot of people directly and in public that they really appreciated what you said, which is not easy sitting with some of your former colleagues, and as you know we try to bring people within reason on here with facts. To have these conversations. So i wonder if youd just enlighten us, share with the audience, why was it important to you to talk directly in what cant be an easy scenario with former colleagues, some of whom said they were against trump for Jan 6 but took it back, others who literally went to prison for him, but to do that directly . Because i think its valuable at a time where were witnessing Trump Maga lying and trump avoid Anything Forum that has that direct interaction and you stood up and did it. I just wondered if youd share your thinking on that. Yeah. I think its really important for us to have these conversations with folks like that. By ignoring them the Issue Isnt going to go away. Even if Donald Trump is defeated in november, maga is not going to go away. I think that is still going to be within the republican party. And so we need to confront it head on, be willing to call out these people and fact check them to their face. And that is what i was hoping to do during that conversation with some of my former colleagues. And i want to set an example too that im not afraid to sit there and have these conversations even if you know it might be a little contentious because i know that i have the facts on my side and the moral argument on my side. So for those who i know some of the republicans out there who have since changed their tune who said that they were done with Donald Trump after January 6th and for one reason or another are now supporting him again, i often think its because they place their ambition over what is good for the country. I want to be an example and say no, i think that we need to call out Donald Trump for his falsehoods and even if its been politically detrimental to my career in some way for, you know, not being able to maybe work in the republican party im willing to take a stand and do whats right and have these open and honest conversations even if they get a little contentious. 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Trump praised Elon Musk for saving free speech with x. And elon praised trump for making truth social so bad that people still use x. Joining us is Jason Johnson, host of the podcast a word with Jason Johnson, a professor and our friend around here. Your thoughts. I have never seen such try hard energy from the richest man in the world. I mean, look, Elon Musk has always said he used to be a democrat for a long time. He soured on biden. Now hes voting for trump. But hes not a popular guy. He doesnt really add much to the Trump Campaign. His disapproval rating, only 6 of democratic voters actually approve of Elon Musk. Hes in The 90s as far as democrats who have a negative opinion of him. And real quick, were going to keep the photo up. Does that Approval Change at all when hes airborne . It doesnt. It keel goes lower. The higher he gets. As people get more concerned that his belly is going to be exposed, we see way too much of the guy. And i say that respectfully because im fine with peoples excitement. Thats the least concerning thing about him. But it is a photo for the ages. Its a photo for the ages. These two have a lot in common. Theyve both been sued for discrimination. They both use Social Media in order to incite violence and difficult issues one way or another. But i dont think that Elon Musk helps Donald Trump at all. He helps himself because hes desperate to be liked. Ive reported on this extensively and ive made the point whether people want to hear it or not that there is a part of Elon Musks Business Record that is effective, that is interesting, and that has had a net positive environmental impact for the world. So thats the business. Yes. And yet here we are talking about what you just said, the politics and the rhetoric. The rhetoric has been dangerous and hypocritical. And the politics are this sort of Billionaire Cabal which we know isnt real because they told us. Quick headlines. Washington post, on Elon Musk saying very recently post first Terminal Trump should go away into the Sunset And Trukt predictably of Course Anyone that doesnt like him he doesnt like, saying that musk is sloppy, driverless cars crash, rocket ships to nowhere. Does It Matter, for the voters who are looking and might think i dont follow politics closely, that guys successful, so hes with another guy, they must be successful together, does It Matter that these two men actually do not publicly recently respect Each Other at all . Didnt matter for j. D. Vance. Didnt matter to the voters. Didnt matter to the voters. The people who like Donald Trump theyre going to like anybody who happens to be in his orbit. I think the problem is Elon Musk has managed to offend so many people. Remember, he was just on with a former Talk Show Host spouting conspiracy theories about the Epstein List and why people did and did not support trump. I mean, everything he says offends so many people across the spectrum that it may be helpful to him, may be good for his brand, and Donald Trump loves sycophants. He loves people that used to hate him to come back and say i love you now. But it doesnt necessarily help him. Explain the Mike Jones reference for the people. People used to be down on me and now they all want me. Basically thats Donald Trump. These people used to hate me now theyre in my orbit. I believe it goes last week they didnt want me. Now yall all on me. All on me. I didnt know you were going to bring it up. But thats one of the reasons and by the way i donate know what your Leaping Skills are like. I dont know if youre a good leaping endorser. Im not a good leaping endorser. This is going to be a shocker, neither am i. When i play Pickup Basketball i stay very close to the ground. So again i want to say respectfully i might look like elon if i did that too. But maybe we also know not to do it. Exactly. 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We asked people who had interesting lives, what do you take from it that you would impart either to your younger self who wants to be heard. Anything you want to share before you go off and do your political work this weekend. Oh, my goodness. Well, what would i say . I would say connect. I would say connect with people. I would say find your community and sometimes thats hard, particularly nowadays because were all on the internet and Social Media and all that, but i would say put down your phone, find your people, and find a way to make Art And Joy with them. I know that sounds almost pollyannaish, but it kind of makes sense. And actually, speaking of phones and so on, you can make movies and you can make Tv Shows on your phone right now, so for those people who are feeling artistic and want to create their own i mean, its ald being done. I dont know why im saying this. People are doing it anyway, but its a great opportunity that i didnt have, you know, years ago when i was first starting out, just to take my phone and make something with it. Its quite amazing. So i dont know, but i think connecting with others and looking for Fun And Joy is the way to do it. Im all for it. Great points from julia. You can see the entire interview unedited at msnbc. Com ari right now. Well be right back. Well be ri. And wants to give them a give you Tax C uts. Well, im not rich as hell. Kamala harris will cut taxes for working people and make billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share. Trump is fighting for rich guys like himself. Kamala is fighting for us. [narrator] Ff Pac is responsible for the content of this ad. I go by jackie, i■m 44 years old. I had three kids at the time and single mother. I was working 60 hours a week, still couldn■t pay bills and skipping meals so that they could eat. 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