♪ ♪ push for peace. the u.s. tries to contain the israel-hamas war. >> we need to do more to protect the palestinian civilians. >> as israel continues to retaliate against hamas for its terror attack, is the u.s. making headway privately? senators lindsay graham and richard blumenthal join me in an exclusive bipartisan interview. then israel's ambassador to the united nations is here. and rift, concern about civilian casualties in gaza exposes a political split. >> palestine will be free! >> where does a key progressive stand? vermont senator bernie sanders is here exclusively next. on the ballot, in florida, donald trump's critics face fierce backlash? >> as a new poll shows trump leading president biden in key swing states. how worried should the white house be? my panel is coming up. ♪ ♪ hello. i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is reeling from a month of war and global fury. this morning u.s. secretary of state antony blinken is trying to thread the needle with close u.s. ally israel as outrage grows worldwide over civilian casualties in gaza. secretary blinken just met with palestinian president mahmoud abbas in the west bank and earlier intense meetings with arab leaders who want a cease fire, he defended israel's fight to retaliate against hamas for murdering 1400 civilians last month, but blinken has also urged israeli leaders to take a humanitarian pause, to let critical aid into gaza and to press for the release of israeli hostages there. cnn's jeremy diamond is live in sderot, israel, where you just heard siren, jeremy. what's going on at this moment? >> that's right, dana. we just got sirens at our location in sderot and our cameraman lorenz is showing smoke and that appears to be impact from rockets in sderot. this is the second time in just a couple of days that those rockets have made it through the iron dome system here. again, the system does take out the majority of rockets and you and i, dana, were talking on friday when we were at another location in sderot and the rocket made impact about 100 meters away from our position and where several very much and dynamic situation and we are seeing these rockets sta tort c start to come in and i want to talk about the secretary of state, he had a meeting with with mahmoud abbas in ramallah. this is the secretary of state's first visit to the west bank since this war began and what we have watched since the secretary of state has been amman, and today in ramallah he's been playing a fine balancing act between reaffirming u.s. support for israel and its fight to defend itself and go after ham abu also trying to urge the humanitarian side of things and urging israel to minimize civilian casualties and working to get more humanitarian relief into gaza. that was also part of what i saw on the ground yesterday, dana, when i was in gaza with israeli forces as part of the first group of foreign journalists allowed into gaza with israeli forces and the point that they were trying to emphasize were their efforts to try and establish a humanitarian corridor for palestinian civilians to flee from the north and to go to the south. of course, you know that in recent days israel has come under heavy, heavy criticism and scrutiny for international life efforts on densely populated neighborhoods and residential areas where hamas is maintaining tunnels under ground and also some strikes on near -- very near to hospitals and on ambulances. a very dynamic situation still, dana. israel coming under scrutiny in the u.s. trying to find a balancing act and its concern about civilian lives in gaza. >> jeremy, thank you so much for your excellent reporting as always. across the u.s. large crowds of pro-palestinian protesters took to city streets to call for a cease fire and on capitol hill, dozens of activists were entering the offices of several senators. independent bernie sanders of vermont. thank you for joining me this morning. 1400 israelis, mostly civilians were slaughtered in their homes and you've been critical of israel's response recently. how do you think israel should be responding? >> this is what is clear to most people. hamas is an awful terrorist organization. they slaughtered 1400 people in cold blood. israel has a right to defend itself, but what israel does not, in my view, have a right to do is to kill thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with that attack. so the immediate concern, dana, to my mind is we've got to stop the bombing now. you had over 600,000 people pushed out of their homes. where are they going? they're staying in united nations facilities. there's not enough fuel, water, medicine and not enough fuel and you have a humanitarian disaster. >> so, senator -- >> no, please. >> go ahead, dana. >> what you're saying about the lack of food and water and so forth, i think, most people in the west, certainly the u.s. believes that that is because hamas is hoarding it, and the other question is how does -- >> it's not just -- how does israel destroy hamas -- >> it's more than that. that's what israeli policy has been. >> okay. let's -- >> the combination of factors. >> let's get to the other point that you made which is really the key one which is innocent civilians dying and they are. how should israel destroy hamas post-attack on these innocent civilians in israel without hurting, killing, inon sense men, women and children when hamas is hiding behind them and putting them in danger? how does that work? >> that is exactly the right question to be asked the military experts of which i am not one, but clearly, yeah. israel has a right to defend itself. hamas has sworn, that's what its goal is to destroy israel. they've got to deal with that, and there's got to be a better way than killing men, women and children. once again, the immediate concern is you've got to have a pause in the bombing. you have to take care of the immediate disaster and israel has to change. let me say this. the united states of america provides $3.8 billion every year to israel. we have a right. israel has the right to do what they want and they're an independent country, and we have the right to say sorry, you need a new military strat egy. go after hamas, but do not kill innocent men, women and children. >> you mentioned money. there is going to be a measure before you relatively soon for the house passed 14 -- more than $14 billion and there is going to be at least some version of that in the senate. will you support that or will you put conditions on it? >> we'll see what the bill looks like. it's terribly important to say to israel, you want this money you've got to change your military strategy. the other point is we have to give hope to the palestinian people. they were living before october 7th in a disastrous situation in gaza. 75% youth unemployment and massive poverty and right now in israel you're having the netanyahu government, an extreme right-wing government with racists onboard trying to make it impossible for a two-state solution in the west bank. they're killing settlers. so what we need is the world to come together to give hope to the palestinians and we need a two-state solution and we need to have many of the very wealthy countries in the region, the united arab republic, saudi arabia, qatar, they are extraordinarily wealthy and work with the united states and work with the community in order to provide some hope and decency and freedom to the palestinian people which hamas will never do. >> you're right about that. they have a lot of money to this point have not been really willing to use that money in that region to help their fellow arabs. i want to clarify one thing, senator, if i might. you supported a humanitarian pause in gaza. some of your fellow progressives say there should be a full-on cease fire which should require an agreement on both sides to halt the fighting. do you support a cease fire? if not, why not? >> i don't know how you could have a permanent cease-fire with an organization like hamas which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of israel, and i think what the arab countries in the region understand that hamas has got to go. so what we need right now the immediate task right now is to end the bombing and to end the horrific humanitarian disaster an to go forward with the entire world for a two-tier, two-state solution to the crisis to give the palestinian people hope. >> senator, democratic congresswoman rashida talib released a video on friday. i want you to watch part of it. >> mr. president, the american people are not with you on this one. we will remember in 2024. >> that last screen said president biden supported the genocide of the palestinians. you know the definition of genocide. it is a crime committed with intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. do you think that's what israel is doing here? >> what's going on right now is -- we don't have to quibble about words. thousands of men, women and children are being killed and it has got to end right now and one of the things that concerns me is there's not enough talk about right-wing republicans -- they don't want any aid to go to the palestinians. somebody should be talking about that. somebody should be talking about how trump wants to expel palestinians from this country. so it's -- you can disagree with joe biden, but on his worst day, it will be a hundred times better than having trump. >> so you think tlaib should save her ire for trump. >> rashida is a friend of mine and her family comes from palestine and she's shaken as all of us are about what's going on right there, right now, but we have to address the humanitarian crisis, but if anyone thinks that trump will be better than biden on this issue or any other issue, for that matter, i think they are sorely mistaken. >> and i understand that. i also understand, and i know you know that words matter, and i want to ask about what she said -- >> look, no. words matter, but what matters more, dana is you have a horrible humanitarian disaster that has to be dealt with right now. women and children cannot be bombed with 2,000-pound bombs. >> so when she says from the river to the sea, when she says from the river to the sea which the adl is antisemitic. she says it's antisemiittic. do you want her to stop using terms like that and others? >> something i want more than anything else, president obama said this is an enormously complex issue and slogans like the river to the sea, if that means the destruction of israel that's not going to work. israel is saying right or wrong, we're for you all the way. that's not going to work. this is a horrendously conflict -- you have a right-wing government which is racist. the good news is the last poll i saw 18% of the people of israel want netanyahu to stay in office. i hope they get rid of him and i hope they put him in the government that can help us move to the two-tier state, but on the other hand in terms of hamas you have a terrorist organization that cannot be trusted. this is as president obama said a very complex issue. >> senator, really quick and you are alluding to this in your answers and our discussion here. you really are in a unique position and even a difficult one because you're a leading, progressive voice in american politics and you're also jewish and you have family who died in the holocaust. how difficult is this for you? >> it has nothing to do with me, dana. what this is is as a nation, we are living now, in my view through a more difficult moment than i've lived in my life time. people are worried about -- we had the pandemic, we are worried about climate change and the attacks on democracy, our health care system is collapsing, we have artificial information which has got to make radical changes. the economy, you have crime all over this country. people are worried and concerned. all that i'm begging people is to understand slogans are not going to do it. social media is not going to do it. we need a serious discussion and how we get out of this difficult situation and maintain democracy and bring peace to the world and it ain't easy, but slogans are not going to do it on any side. >> senator, thank you so much for your time this morning. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, dana. one republican says there should be no limit to the what israel can do to hamas. a bipartisan interview with senators lindsay graham and richard blumenthal is next, plus a new poll has a major warning sign for president biden's reelection. that's coming up. welcome back to "state of the union." a dispute between the house and senate could delay badly needed u.s. aid to israel and ukraine after house republicans passed a bill this week that is a non-starter in the u.s. senate. here with me to talk about the latest in israel is republican senator lindsay graham and democratic senator richard blumenthal. they have traveled internationally together included to israel after the october 7th attacks. thank you both for being here. senator graham, i'll start with you. the biden administration is warning israel that failing to limit the humanitarian crisis in gaza, risks, roding global support including in the u.s. you've said there should be no limit to what israel can do to take out hamas, but is the administration right that israel needs to do more to protect civilians in gaza? >> i think israel is committed to following the law of armed conflict. one thing i want to say for sure is israel is not engaged in genocide and another thing we need to deal with is the whitewashing of the status of people in gaza. i'm sure mr. are plenty of people that would love to be free from hamas and the most radicalized people on the planet live in the gaza strip. they've been taught since birth to kill and hate the jews. how do you teach math in gaza? if you kill ten jews and you had six, how many are left? i'm all for israel having the time and space to destroy hamas. i'm all for a new governing regime over the palestinian people when this is over, and i'm all for israel and saudi arabia reconciling. that's sort of where i'm at. >> but no pause? no humanitarian pause? >> i don't want to take the pressure off hamas militarily, but if israel can find a way to help the humanitarian situation, yes, i'd like to do it, but after world war ii did anybody ask us these questions? you have to realize the united states dropped two atomic bombs on cities in japan to end the war. i think this is total war between israel and hamas. i want to protect innocent people as much as possible, but i want the world to realize that the radicalized population in gaza has been going on for over a decade. this will not be easy. when you've been taught from birth to hate the jews and kill them all and drive them into the sea and 80% of the people in gaza support the idea from the river to the sea. that has to change. >> senator blumenthal, 14 of your democratic colleagues think there should be a pause. what do you think? >> i agree that there should be a pause to enable more humanitarian relief, food, fuel, water to reach the palestinians, but also to enable relief of the hostages. i've met almost every day by phone or in person, and we saw them when we were in israel with the families of hostages. these situations are really heartbreaking and i think that we should do a humanitarian pause to enable release of the hostages and also a movement of civilians from the north part of gaza which is really the combat zone to the southern part, through a humanitarian corridor. there are measures through a humanitarian pause that can be taken to reduce civilian casualties, but let's keep in mind, israel's right to defend itself. we went on this trip, bipartisan group, ten of us to express solidarity with israel and what we heard and saw was harrowing in the videos that were shown to us and what a minister of the war cabinet said, you know these people tried to run and hide for our whole history, we tried to run and hide. israel was supposed to be a safe place where we didn't need to run and hide anymore. so for israel, this is a fight, a war about its very existence against a terrorist organization that has a single goal. destroy israel and annihilate the jewish people and is continuing to advocate it. just the other day, a senior hamas official said that israel can expect a second strike, a third strike, a fourth strike just like october 7th until it is, annihilated so israel shou do a humanitarian pause, but the ultimate goal should be kept in mind. i know you're talking about hamas. i know you're very concerned as are others about it expanding beyond the gaza border and expanding more regionally. you both are introducing a bipartisan sense of the senate resolution tomorrow about iran. senator graham, what will it say? >> well, it basically says if the war expands, if hezbollah opens up a second front against israel in a substantial way to overwhelm iron dome then we should hit the islamic republic of iran. there is no hamas without the ayatollah support. there is no hezbollah without the ayatollah support and the great satan in the regions, not israel or the united states. it's iran. so senator blumenthal and i just got back and israel is begging us to deter iran and they don't want the war to widen. if any of our troops are killed by iranian-backed militias and that's the expansion of the war and the resolution puts iran on notice that all of this military force in the region will be coming after you if you expand this war by activating hezbollah and killing an american through your proxies in syria and iraq. they need to hear that and they need to believe that. >> senator blumenthal, it's just a sense of the senate which means it's not binding but you have the voice from the u.s. senate that warns iran that the u.s. could militarily strike iran if they expand this war. that's pretty aggressive. >> it's aggressive, but it's absolutely necessary and it's not only in israel's explicit interest. they will support the deterrence and the key word here is deterrence and the purpose of the resolution is to deter iran by showing we're going to be behind the president as he seeks to stop the war from widening or escalating. here's the other point, dana, which i think is really critical. we visited saudi arabia and egypt and believe me, they loathe and fear iran and hezbollah and hamas and the other proxies as much as israel. so they are in favor of deterring a wider war. i think there's bipartisan common ground lear and there's consensus in the region that deterrence is critical because iran here is the toxic, maligned influence. it is financially fueling, equipping, supplying all of these proxies that have as their goal to disrupt and destabilize the region when powers like saudi arabia want economic prosperity. they want to normalize relations with israel and achieve stability and peace and there is a strong view, and i agree with it, that the reason why hamas struck now and why iran gave them the green light to strike now is because the talks on normalizing relationships and saudi arabia were making progress. >> there is going to be some form of measure to approve more funding for israel. the house passed something that was just focused on israel and it's dead on arrival in part because it doesn't include support for ukraine. senator graham, i'll start with you. the senate, will it ultimately pass a bill that includes funding for both? >> i think so, you'll have a bill that had border security and you'll be insane as a country and not to fix our broken border and we're living on borrowed time in terms of the border being broken and attack on our own nation and i am for ukraine support and we can't pull the plug on ukraine and let putin go with this definitely for israel. you'll see a package of border security and funding for ukraine and funding for israel and coming out of the senate as one package. i will support that. >> before i let you go both, senator blumenthal, i'll ask you about a new polling. sienna college shows donald trump is leading in nevada, georgia, arizona and michigan. tight races in pennsylvania and wisconsin. how worried are you about the president's re-election campaign? >> i was concerned before these polls and i am concerned now. these presidential races over the last couple of termses have been very tight. no one is going to have a runaway election here. it's going to take a lot of hard work, concentration and resources. so we have our work cut out for us, but i believe that the president's record, and we've just been talking about an area where his leadership has been critical, where he's forged bipartisan consensus in favor of a peaceful outcome with a palestinian state as the goal. a lot of bipartisan agreement between senator graham and myself. i think his leadership will be critical as it was to making this, and i think we are at a turning point, a critical point of potential no return if there is a widening of the war, and so we need to get together on deterring iran and making sure it understands that it will face consequences if it unleashes its proxies as it seems possibly to be intent on doing. i think president biden's leadership is important. >> you definitely do not have bipartisan agreement about who should be in the white house in 2024, but it is important to have a bipartisan discussion on such a critical issue at such a critical moment, and i appreciate you both coming on. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, israel's u.n. ambassador draws attention by wearing a yellow star of david at the u.n. we'll l talk to hihim next.. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? 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and i am saying again there is no humanitarian crisis based on the international humanitarian law right now in gaza. by the way, only last night everyone could watch thousands of gazans near the shifa hospital with their electricity, with their cell phones watching a movie. how the hamas terrorists are slaughtering israeli civilians and soldiers. so, obviously, you can even see on the streets of gaza. >> all those things can be true at the same time, and i guess my question is if israel wants to maintain and the government wants to maintain credibility is denying that there is a humanitarian crisis inside gaza the way to do it? >> i am not denying that the situation in the humanitarian situation in gaza is very bad and it's very sad that for 16 years hamas exploited all the money that was transferred to gaza instead of investing it to build hospitals or desalination power plants only to turn gaza into a war machine. it's very sad, but israel shouldn't be held accountable for the situation. we have a goal now to destroy hamas' terrorist capability, to prevent future atrocities from happen and it will happen not only in israel, but all across the globe because other terrorist organizations will be inspired. >> but i just want to make sure --? sorry? >> i just want to make sure there have been because we know that hamas has built its headquarters. they hide among the civilian population and there was another incident at a refugee camp yesterday and the palestinians are saying it is because of an israeli strike. is that true? >> look, again, i will have to repeat what i said. the fact that hamas is using the palestinians and the gazans -- >> but was that strike the israeli -- was that -- was that blast from an israeli strike? >> i don't know. i don't know the details, but again, i reiterate, israel never intentionally target civilians. we do everything that is possible to minimize, to m minimize and mitigate civilian casualties. hamas is the only one that should be held accountable. if western civilization society can never win and inspire terror organizations. it will inspire terrorist organizations around the world because they attack democracies. >> let's turn to the moment when you were at the u.n. you were there in your capacity as israel's ambassador. we're showing a picture right now wearing a jewish star of david and the words never again on it. this is during a security council meeting this past week. the head of israel's holocaust museum said that doing that dishonors both the victims of the holocaust and the state of israel, and that the yellow patch symbolizes the helplessness of the jewish people and being at the mercy of others. i don't believe that that was your intention. what's your response? >> well, during times of war i don't intend to fight and comment on anyone. i just want to emphasize that my goal was to first shock the security council. today it has been -- it's the 30th day. it has been 30 days since the worst atrocities committed against the jewish people since the holocaust, and still the security council of the u.n. that was established in the wake of the holocaust to prevent atrocities has not condemned hamas for this horrifying attack against the jewish people. so i wanted to shock them, and i wanted to remind them of their silence, and i wanted to convey a message that we, not like in the past, we are not weak as we were during the holocaust. that's why it was inscribed with the words never again. it wasn't aimed to mark the jews like during the holocaust. we will continue to fight without any cease-fires until we eradicate hamas' capabilities. >> before i let you go, i know that you saw that we -- there was an israeli official who warned israelis against travel abroad abroad and if they do, do not display outward signs of jewish or israeli identity. there is an alarming rise of antisemitism not only in the u.s., but around the world. as ambassador to the u.n., what do you do to combat that? >> i think that the situation right now is shocking. we are on the brink of a catastrophe even here in the united states. we see now thousands of people chanting death to israel, death to the jews and we see jewish students across the united states on college campuses that are being threatened not only by other students and their professors and presidents of universities cannot condemn the terror attacks. so right now i think it is already too late to expect them to speak up or call out the anti- -- the anti-semites. we expect to see action. we expect to see them fire professors who are antisemitic and we expect police to investigate the harassment of jewish students. this is truly unacceptable, the situation. right now we are on the brink of a catastrophe. any moment we might see a terror attack against a jewish community here in the united states. >> well, god forbid, as they say, but i appreciate your time. >> yeah, it's -- thank you, dana, for having me. thank you. >> ambassador gilad erdan, thank you. here in the united states on the political front, new polls are flashing bright red warning signs for president biden and his campaign in key swing states. we will look at these new numbers nenext. there is a significant likelihood that donald trump will be found guilty by a jury on a felony offense next year. >> your anger against the truth is reprehensible. you can yell and boo about it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the truth. >> two of donald trump's opponents in the republican race for the presidential nomination getting booed because they spoke out against the president. that's one bit of evidence that we have seen recently about the former president's popularity when it comes to republicans. there's new evidence this morning about his popularity when it comes to a potential general election matchup with president biden. a stunning new york times/cnn joe biden in nevada, georg, ing arizona and michigan in tight races in pennsylvania and wisconsin. my panel is here with me now. karen finney, i will start with you. thanks, dana. >> you're welcome. in all candor, truth serum, this has to be a political five-alarm fire in the white house. >> this is going to be a tough race. period. full stop. i don't think anyone is taking anything for granted and a couple of things i'll say. one, if you look at the trend, one in 2011, president obama was not in good shape and that has been a trend and remember, we were all thinking hillary clinton was going to be president and the economy was going to be the issue in 2022. i only say that to say there's clearly more going on underneath the surface that this poll doesn't tell us and that is where elections are won. understanding not just the what but the why. the second thing i would say, though, is yes, i hope it is an alarm for the campaign, and i hope it shows particularly when you look at young voters and voters of color that while they've made important, early investments in reaching out to those electorates we have to keep doing it. we can't take anything for granted and it's not just about talking about the president's record and what he's done, but also about the future. so talking to people about what he wants to do to continue the work that he's been doing on their behalf. >> congresswoman crockett, karen just talked about warning signs across the board, but particularly when it comes to people of color. "the new york times" and they're right about it says a remarkable sign of gradual, raciallignment between the two parthe more diverse the swing state the farther mr. biden was behind, and he led only in the widest of six. >> it's really scary for me. i'm glad that karen is not as scared, because here's the deal. perception is reality, and so when you look at the data that was provided in this poll, it talks about how people feel and when people decide whether they're going to the poll or not going to the poll it's how you feel in the moment, and so while the facts may not align with their feelings, their feelings are dictating their reality. their reality is that they said that they feel better or felt better when trump was in office, but we've been trying to push back. we've got some very popular african-american artists and i got checks when trump was in office, and i want those checks again not understanding that they came from congress. we have a perception issue and an issue as it relates to civics in this country and people not understanding exactly how any of this works. >> former congresswoman comstock. i think it's fair to say you're not the biggest fan of donald trump as head of your party. what do these polls tell you? >> i think polls are -- these are, you know, obviously a year ahead as karen said. i think republicans are ignoring the warnings of my friends asa hutchinson and chris christie and ignoring very well the four-times indicted donald trump could be a convicted donald trump by the time we get to next summer. we know right now that there's a deficit for republicans in terms of money. joe biden is raising a lot more money and trump is spending his money on his legal bills. if you're a donor to donald trump you are a donor to his defense fund. what they tell me is when i look at those states, i see states that donald trump lost, senator xs governors for republicans, georgia lost senators and went after governor kemp in pennsylvania and lost senator last year and governor a very popular governor, democrat josh shapiro because mastriano who is a big trumper, maga does not sell in general elections. a year out this might be popular, but going in when people are faced with maga, it does not sell well when the reality of those ads that the biden campaign is going to be spending on. maga has been losing for even years. normal republicans can win like glen youngkin, but maga has been a big loser for republicans. when i look at this poll, what i see is a lot of republicans that say, look, i think donald trump is not a good guy. i think he's a crook, but he was better for my pocketbook and that's where democrats really have a problem. joe biden's been out going across the country talking about bide bidenomics that is a phrase that the republicans are continuing to deploy if americans peel that food, fuel, housing et cetera are getting more expensive and they look back at the trump presidency and they go crazy. that was unpleasant in 500 different ways and it was better at the bank. >> yeah. i mean, i hear you, and i think that's absolutely true, but people have to recognize that the world has changed and that's the part that no one really is factoring in is that we did not have a pandemic known as the coronavirus that existed when trump first swore in, so, yes, absolutely. gas prices were in a better situation, but also people understanding that bad approximately see takes a little while to go into effect and honestly, that's what we're seeing. it wasn't better for the american people that the rich folk got the tax breaks. it would have been a lot better if those struggling every day got them or the child tax credit that is going away or the fact that people are upset with the president right now as it relates to israel, but when you look at the package that was passed by maga mike passed by the republicans, what did it do? it defunded american workers saying we'll take money back from the irs and it also made sure that israel got money and there was nothing for the palestinians. >> next year, the argument is not going to be that so much. next year, if the election is about donald trump, then republicans lose. so i think right now everyone's focu focused on biden and looking at biden, but next year it will be a very attack trump election. >> ten seconds. just ahead, when it's a head to head it's a very different conversation and when voters are reminded of the trauma of donald trump every day because i don't think they're hearing it and seeing it the way -- >> they are head to head. >> no, they're not. democrats, we have no primary so most democrats -- >> he's not on your screen every day. you aren't getting the negative ads 24/7. >> we're in the general election. thank you. thank you so much. appreciate it.t. we'll bebe right back. thank you so much for spending your sunday morning with us. fareed zakaria "gps" is next.