>> kayleigh: hunter biden defies congressional subpoena in a brazen move, skipping his deposion and in a shocking turn of events, he took to the mike pence in front of the capitol to defend himself and his father. this is "outnumbered," i'm kayleigh mcenany, with emily compagno and molly line, fox news contributor leslie marshall and american enterprise institute marc thiessen. hunter biden blamed maga republicans for targeting him and his family and he said his father was not financially involved in his business dealings. >> i'm here today to answer at a public hearing any legitimate questions chairman comer and house oversight committee may have for me. i'm here to make sure the house committee illegitimate investigation do not proceed on lies. for six years i've been the target of unrelenting trump attack machine shouting where's hunter. here is my answer, i am here. let me state as clearly as i can, my father was not financially involved in my business, not as a practicing lawyer, not as a board member of burisma, not in my partnership with a chinese businessman, nor in investments abroad and certainly not as an artist. when i was addicted, i was00 careless with my finances. there is no evidence to support the allegations that my father was financially involved in my business because it did not happen. republicans do not want an open process where americans can see their tactics, expose their baseless inquiry or hear what i have to say. what are they afraid of? i'm here. i'm ready. >> kayleigh: clearly not here, clearly not ready if you didn't show for the deposition. i digress. bring in jason chaffetz. congressman, the words used were i was not financially involved, joe was not financially involved, i can surmise why he used that terminology. 20 pieces of evidence of joe biden's involvement. we'll get to the finishes in a moment. devon archer saying joe biden is the brand, 20 biden phone calls, 2014 business dinner with business partners, 2015 business dinner, 20 pieces of evidence of involvement, is this why the word financial was used? >> probably, the product they were selling was joe biden, access to joe biden and influence by joe biden and biden white house and that whole administrative state. he had the name, he had hunter biden as his name. remember how this morphed, i've never had a discussion between the two to he wasn't financially involved. bribery? the payoff is potentially, the allegation is potentially it goes directly to the benefit of the family members. all the direct family members, haley biden, hunter biden, joe biden, frank biden, the grandkids taking $100,000. to say there was not a financial benefit to joe biden was absurd. >> kayleigh: it is, talk about joe biden, house oversight committee presented this, this is recent. pull up a check. $40,000 check to joe biden, you see the date 2013. bottom left corner, "loan repayment," and it began with northern, chinese company and goes to hudson west, joint venture with hunter and goes to the group and then goes over to sara biden, sister-in-law of the president and the check to joe biden. i want to lay that out, that is how complicated these companies were. they call it a loan payment, what say you, jason chaffetz? >> there are 175 suspicious activity reports highlighted by the treasury department and irs whistleblowers went out and said they would follow the trail. the president said none of his family members benefited from any relationship out of china, i think during the debate he said no money was flowing and they were not making money out of china. it ends there are millions of dollars. this is why you need to explore and have this type of inquiry. for hunter biden in his arrogance to say he's here, he wasn't he showed on senate side, not the house side. you don't get to negotiate the terms of a subpoena. you wouldn't do that in regular court or you'd be in jail. >> kayleigh: you are right about that. he blamed a specific entity, as if he was reading campaign talking points. joe biden loves to say maga republicans, maga speech. listen to hunter biden sounding like the hunter campaign. >> i'm here today to correct how maga right portrayed me for their political purposes. for six years maga republicans impuned my character and invaded my privacy, attacked my wife, my children, my family and my friends. i've been the target of unrelenting trump attack machine shouting where is hunter. here is my answer. i am here. >> kayleigh: so the trump attack machine. >> yeah, i'm here? no, you are supposed to be on the house side answering questions from democrats and republicans on the house committee, that is the way the justice system and legislative process works. that is the way you do things, independent branch of government asking questions. to suggest this was trump, it was brought by biden's department of justice, nothing to do with trump. to ask questions totally legitimate. >> kayleigh: jason chaffetz, thank you for your expertise. emily compagno, two u.s. code section 192, refusal of witness to testify or produce papers, every person summoned by the authority by house of congress upon any matter must show up, i'm paraphrasing, or phase a fine and possible imprisonment. there are consequences for defying congress, if you have a doj willing to enforce that charge, as we've seen it done with steve bannon. >> emily: exactly, steve bannon and peter navarro, failing to show up and failing to produce documents. there is consequence here if the law is fairly applied. hunter's comments, i find them laughable. no one cares that hes an addict, no one cares but him. he failed to pay taxes, false testimony on gun application and pretty obvious influence pedalling his father is in part. it would not exist if not for his father. to try to parse out a narrative where his dad is inculcated, he could have shut it down or hunter could have said it has nothing to do with the beginning. it is obvious, the thing of value was his father and the house will vote on this impeachment investigation. it will issue and give subpoena power to those three committees, starting investigation. i subscribe to speaker johnson's point, this will investigate properly, methodically, deliberately and not in a political manner. hunter biden tried to paint himself a victim, he is a victim of his own behavior and we are seeing potential for consequences on the judicial level and congressional. remains to be seen if that part is fairly applied as steve bannon and peter navarro know all too well. >> kayleigh: a wall between influence pedalling, not true. he said his family did not receive money from china, that is not true. he claims he never spoke to his son about business dealings, that is not true, what do you say to the american people? >> leslie: if we're going to impeach every every pt /* /* -- i do want to quote tom emmer, republican from minnesota. there was a reason republicans took a year get to this point of inquiry, there was pushback from some republicans in hotly contested races with an election coming up and emphasized, we are not ready to charge the president and if they uncover evidence of treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors, then there will be steps to impeach. here is the thing and i said with former president trump. i don't believe in impeachment unless there is a crime where a president can be removed and i think we all agree, that is why nixon resigned. billion, donald trump and now joe biden, they weren't and he won't be removed from office, so waste of taxpayer money, in my opinion. >> kayleigh: inquiry vote is set to pass, you will have this play out publicly, 60% think hunter helped and participated with hunter's business. if you don't have votes to impeach, you might be setting up joe biden to take exoneration in an election year. >> marc: if you don't get the evidence, if i was going to bribe joe biden, i wouldn't write a check from bank of china to joe biden. i'd do it through shell companies, pay his son, pay his grandchildren's tuition, you will probably never find a smoking gun that is enough to convince a majority to impeach him. the inquiry will end and if you don't impeach him, you exonerate him. one thing on hunter, he is like pig pen, dark cloud of disaster follows him wherever they go. they have this information because he gave the laptop to a store and left it behind. he shows up and he's not going to be deposed, he doesn't want to fall into a gop trap. he still does. i was never involved, i was never financially involved, the word financially, he is falling into a hole and dug biden into a hole by himself without questioning from republicans. >> molly: marc, you landed on something >> marc: blind squirrel finds a nut. >> molly: i'm here to testify in a public hearing today, that wasn't the offer. he is saying if there were a public hearing, i would be there and you would be getting information. he is facing charges in california and probably wouldn't have been able to give a lot of information in the closed-door questioning. he talked about his drug activities and that is something people around america can identify and might offer forgiveness for and feel for this family. interesting to see how this goes down as we get closer to the election. >> kayleigh: the drug activity, i defended hunter biden when people said he left coke in the white house. hunter biden defying subpoena, justify congressional subpoena to appear before house republicans to answer real questions, evidence we just showed you whachl is next for the president's son and the gop investigation, when we come back. owner, and the family bookkeeper, you're the first to know when high rate debt is stressing your budget. but your family's service has earned you a big advantage. the va home loan benefit. with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan, you can pay off high rate credit cards and car loans. and can save $6,000 a year. that's real money you can use to take care of your family and home. type 2 diabetes? 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>> it is important to note, the subpoena is an enforceable directive to appear. it doesn't require you to answer every question or any question, that is controlled by whether you have a legally kog niezable confidentiality privilege, which hunter biden has in spades having been indicted twice and if you believe the prosecutor that he is under investigation for other charges, as well. he had plenty reason not to answer questions today, but to my mind, he had no legally convincible reason not to show up. importantly, what he's going to say and the republicans totally botched the timing on this, this is more powerful argument than it ought to be. they will argue that the subpoena in connection with impeachment inquiry is not legitimate because the full house has not voted for the inquiry and they made the subpoena returnable on the same morning that it turns out later today they'll vote on the impeachment inquiry. it allows abbe lowell, savvy defense attorney, to say, even republicans know this is not legitimate and rushing in to get it approved later today. they have given him a good argument to make. last thing, this is being driven by crazy, congressional holiday calendar, where the guys want to go off on vacation. if i went into a district judge and said, i have an emergency, if you will do this for me, i'll get right on it in four weeks, the judge would look at me like i was crazy. >> emily: during the trump administration, when they subpoenaed mcganin,he had to show up. does that pay a part in hunter's resistance or the reverse? >> i think it does, emily, the thing is, i think he had to show up today, even if you bought the idea impeachment inquiry is not legitimate, which is position trump took in the first weeks of the ukraine impeachment, that subpoena and issued by oversight and judiciary committee. they have subpoena power. that is not a suggestion or invitation, it is order to show up and i think they had to show up. i think the politics of this and you heard from jim jordan when he spoke afterward. i think he realized how this tees up. if they are not going to vote on impeachment inquiry until this afternoon, it is bad look talking about the president's son, which is serious business, to hold him in contempt when you have not buttoned down if the inquiry is approved by the full house. i took jordan to say next move they are going to make is reissue subpoena and have him come in and then if they try to enforce it, 245i have a full house vote behind them. >> emily: thank you for that analysis, we'll come back to you shortly. we'll bring the conversation back to the couch, the chairs. marc thiessen, what say you about the point andy makes, democrats are having to live with norms that i blew up during the trump years, will that impact hunter negatively? >> marc: it could. they did two impeachments. in nixon era, there was bipartisan support for impeaching him. it should require bipartisan support for doing that. andy point is why this is a bad idea fchl subpoena from oversight committee instead of impeachment inquiry, there would be no question he has to show up. he can argue, i don't have to do it, it is big mistake. >> emily: take devil's advocate side and argue this is positive. do you subscribe to the concept that some argue, many argue biden administration has been less than forthcoming and this is only tool to get more information? essentially aside from that conclusion, maybe he won't be impeached, but is this most effective method for getting the information? that is what the american people and congress need to have. >> kayleigh: it helps enforce subpoenas and forces white house to comply and hunter to comply and his attorneys to comply. it strengthens their hand. jim jordan, his press secretary sent this statement pursuant to contempt charges. statement says from jim jordan and james comer, hunter biden defied lawful subpoenas and we will initiate contempt of congress proceedings and will not provide special treatment because his name is biden. he initially said there is a process, appears contempt charges will be filed. we have that empty room that hunter biden was supposed to be in and was not. when under subpoena, you must show up. several people with january 6 said we want public hearings and jamie raskin said that is not possible and they had to come in. now jamie raskin says you should give hunter biden public hearing. contempt charges will be coming, will joe biden and doj enforce them? i will leave that to viewers. >> emily: do you feel hunter engaged in right strategy, making public commentary, refusing to comply with a closed-door testimony? do you feel this was the right move considering ultimately he will be sitting at one of the tables? now that we can dissect his words, do you feel good move on his part? >> leslie: chad pergram and jason chaffetz eluded to this, chad pergram, comer could have called on the sergeant of arms had he showed up. hunter biden appeared on the senate side, they could not take him into custody. supposedly david spunt reporting if things move forward and go into this inquiry, take into account that hunter had offered this written letter to congress he would come in and answer public questions, which is one word he used there when making his statement. a lot going on there. >> emily: talk about capital, not the capitol, but capital of biden abiding by the law. will that engender him to the american people? not divorced from potential for impeachment investigation here, why didn't he just show up and say no comment, plead the fifth and say, i show up, i respect government, this defiance intensifies the feeling that bidens get away with everything they feel they can. >> leslie: andy said hunter biden's attorney is one of the best legal minds in washington, d.c. hunter biden did not wake up and say i'm going to defy this, no, his lawyer instructed him what to say, written, a script he read. hunter biden is saying to the american people, this is political. people might say, what happened with jim jordan and like andy said, you don't have a full house vote and with regard to inquiry for impeachment, hunter biden is looking to be the honest guy in all this. people hate hunter biden. if we're looking at it as a game, hunter biden 1, house republicans, 0. >> marc: wrote the words financial. that wasn't a stumble. >> emily: more "outnumbered" in a moment, guys, stay with us. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. 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(♪) >> kayleigh: families of the american hostages held by hamas speaking at the white house after meeting with president biden. this is abigail's aunt, listen in. >> we are here because the president and his team have been bringing out light in this dark time and abigail, a four year old, is a symbol of that light. as we come to christmas holiday, i hope the pope continues to speak and pray and pray for us, pray for our families, pray for our leaders, pray for the president and our pope and all he can do, is push, we love a christmas miracle and would love our loved ones to be back for christmas. when you talk about the pope, our hope is that he and others like himself will influence these people in the middle east that are all actors in this part of getting the hostages out and that is our hope for a christmas miracle. >> what kind of communication have you been getting issue updates on a daily basis from the white house? and thank you for talking with us. >> i can say this, since day or two after the massacre, we all began to be contacted by representatives of the united states government. israel, secretary department, secretary blinken and president biden was on a video call with us and since that time, we've been in frequent and transparent contact with administration officials and also benefited, i think, and most importantly our sons, daughters, fathers, sisters, mothers, have seen in a very divided time and members of congress and members of the senate from wall to wall have shown solidarity with us. >> awaiting word on your loved ones and their release, was the president able to share anything about their condition, where they are? >> we'll keep content of the conversation private, it was a private meeting between representatives of the eight families and ninth family or two other families whose loved ones have been released already. we're going to keep the conversation private. >> the world witnessed the great miracle when some hostages were freed in the temporary ceasefire, what are you requesting of the u.s. going forward to secure release of your loved ones and desire for another ceasefire, any more information you learned about potential that could happen any time soon? >> as i said before, we'll keep the private conversations private. what we know and have seen, u.s. administration from previous round of negotiations and hostage release, u.s. administration is committed to getting the hostages out. the eight americans who remain there and nearly 130, we have no doubt about that. today's meeting with president biden and secretary blinken reinforced that and they are willing and ready to do all they possibly can by any number of means to get the hostages home. >> also not just to talk about them as hostages, but to talk about them as people and that is what the president and secretary blinken understand, they are not just numbers and faces, they are sons, grandparents, mothers, that is what the president and his team understand and our last question, i will answer by saying we appreciate and be thankful to the president and his team, we know they are working 24 hours per day and will work through the holiday and do everything to make sure our loved ones, real peep will, come home to us and families across the world and israel. thank you. thank you. >> did you receive any new -- >> kayleigh: those were families of the american hostages being held and two families of american hostages who have been released. you heard from abigail's aunt. she said we need to talk about the hostages as people, they are not numbers, they are people, daughters, children, we must share their story, that is what we do on "outnumbered." abigail was a four-year-old girl orphaned because hamas killed both her parents, we all remember that emotional scene, she came home to her aunt and relatives wrapped in a blue and white blanket. how powerful to hear from abigail's aunt say we want the pope involved, everyone involved, we want a miracle, ruby chen was next to her and his son is in the hands of hamas terrorists. >> that makes this heartbreaking, in the midst of hanukkah and christmas around the corner. they want their family members to come home, but also information about their condition. thankfully we have seen some reunions happening, we know that is possible and gives us more hope, i think she spoke to the heart and weight and hoping for that christmas miracle this time of year. >> kayleigh: the hostages families complimentary of the president and saying they are committed to getting the hostages home, no doubt. >> marc: no doubt they are and talking about how in divided time, republicans, democrats, everybody is united behind them and working to bring their loved ones home. as she pointed out, every hostage is a son, daughter or loved one, so were the 1400 killed in the hamas attack and the kids at the music festival that were raped and slaughtered and the people in the kibbutzes. hamas takes these people to stop israel from carrying out this. no country is more committed to bringing back hostages, but they are committed to destroying hamas so there is not another attack, which hamas said we will do this over and over and over again until israel is destroyed. it is a difficult balance between bringing back hostages and carrying out mission to make sure there are no more hostages ever again. >> kayleigh: emily yesterday said moments like these bring the hostages up. kfir and his family, they are household names, we must know the names. >> emily: that attention, those prayers are fundamental and important and why this meeting today with the president was crucial, especially on the heels of the snub of being involved in the hanukkah white house event. 1400 passed in the horrific slaughter, we will keep pressure on the government and inattention on these people. this is against landscape of biden's words yesterday. he says prime minister netanyahu -- need to change, strengs attached for aid to israel. quick networking reminder, bret baier spoke with the hostage families and that will be on tonight. >> kayleigh: we'll be watching, leslie. >> leslie: i think at the end of the day, we can look at polls and humanity and what the united states has shown is they care about every human being and that i think, i loved and we're all saying, the feed was rolling, these are sons and daughters and mothers and these people have names. the 4000 palestinian children have names and i pray on hanukkah and as christmas comes, for peace, so all children, regardless of religion or where they were born, regardless of ethnicity, culture, gender, they would know peace because there is a possibility, it seems impossible right now, there is a possibility. i'm so glad our government is doing for these people and their families what they should do, any government and i'm glad partisanship is put aside because humanity should trump politics. >> kayleigh: we pray for all families and hamas uses children 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