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four days after the death of queen elizabeth ii, at her scottish estate, the eyes of millions of people throughout scotland, the united kingdom, the commonwealth and beyond are fixed on the city of edinburgh this afternoon as the people of the country her majesty loved so much have their opportunity to say farewell. flags are at half mast, and there's a palpable sense of respectful remembrance around the capital, a city the late queen knew so well. back injuly, when the queen's health was already giving cause for concern, she nonetheless decided that the annual summer stay at balmoral castle in aberdeenshire would go ahead as planned. and so she undertook the journey she'd made countless times over the long years of her life, from windsor to her scottish estate, a place full of happy memories for her majesty and the royal family. later this afternoon, the focus of the day's formal events will be a service at st giles�* cathedral, or the high kirk of edinburgh. a place of worship visited many times by her majesty. the doors of st giles�* opened a short time ago, and the congregation are starting to take their seats. on the streets of edinburgh, people are beginning to gather in the knowledge that they are about to witness a truly historic occasion. her majesty�*s coffin will rest overnight in st giles�*, and many are already queuing to file past and pay their respects — while others wait to leave flowers and other tributes. these will be gathered and placed on the lawns at the palace of holyroodhouse. the palace is the monarch�*s official residence in scotland. balmoral is the kind of holiday home. the queen�*s coffin arrived from balmoral castle yesterday afternoon, and is currently resting in the throne room at holyroodhouse. her majesty�*s chaplains in scotland have been maintaining a vigil there overnight. the guard of honour is already in place with the royal company of archers royal regiment of scotland also playing a part later on. a short while ago, his majesty the king landed in scotland. both he and her majesty the queen consort were greeted at edinburgh airport by the first minister, representing the scottish government, the secretary of state for scotland, representing the westminster government, and the lord lieutenant, the lord provost of the city of edinburgh. those greetings made in a rather blustery airport. then the king and queen consort making their way towards the centre itself and palace of holyroodhouse. the king of course was at balmoral when the queen passed away. we have seen members of the royal family in attendance thanking people for their messages of sympathy. of course charles has also spent long periods of his life in scotland and there is every confidence that will not change in the years ahead. the king and queen consort making their way along the royal mile past st giles�* cathedral to arrive at the palace of holyroodhouse with the crowds gritting them warmly but respectfully. a blend of emotions today with respect for the queen and her long service and also an air of optimism in this lovely sunshine that king charles represents hope as well as he ascends to the throne and he has done so with great dignity but also great determination. he has had a very busy mourning so far down at westminster where he received the message of condolence from members of the house of lords and the house of the house of lords and the house of commons. that happened in the ancient palace of westminster in westminster hall itself. now we are in the old town of the city of edinburgh along this route which is so familiar to the royal family, the royal mile linking the castle at one end and palace of holyroodhouse at the other. st giles�* cathedral around two thirds of the way up the royal mile as you go towards the castle. quite narrow streets so the crowds will have a very good view of the king and queen consort in the car which of course is specially designed so they can be seen. part of the ceremony of monarchy. it goes back centuries the importance of being seen as a symbol of power and authority. so with police out riders from police scotland they are led down to the main entrance of the palace of holyroodhouse. quite close to the scottish parliament, another great building which lies at the bottom of the royal mile. and of course the king someone who has visited hollywood house as regularly as any member of the royal family apart from her majesty and the late prince philip during the royal week every summer which takes place when the sovereign takes residence in holyrood and engages in lots of events celebrating the rich culture of scotland and the achievements of scottish people. it is looked forward to with great enthusiasm every year. and that tradition will certainly be upheld by the new king and queen consort. what is likely to happen next is an ancient ceremony. it is known as the ceremony of the keys and the sovereign is presented with the keys to the city by the lord provost of edinburgh who greeted the king at the airport a short while ago. the lord provost a kind of lord mayor, but the gentleman in question also the larger tenant of edinburgh, the city of edinburgh. so a person of authority and the person who represents the great scottish capital. and there you have the wonderful guidance of holyroodhouse where those events in the summer take place in royal week, often in weather like this but not always! it is something that is really looked forward to by people notjust in edinburgh but thousands of scottish people who are invited to the various garden parties that go on there during that week. so the ceremony of the keys will take place and the guard of honour is already in place in the palace forecourt. and then what we will see is in a short while after the formality of the ceremony the coffin bearing the queen�*s but it will be brought from the throne room at hollywood palace and brought out for the solemn journey along the royal mile to st giles�* cathedral where it will lie at rest for 2h hours before it is then taken to london. that will be tomorrow. so it is a solemn afternoon but an afternoon also of thanksgiving and by no means completely and thoroughly sombre although of course there is great sadness that the queen is no longer with us. but certainly there is an element of thanksgiving and a great element of thanksgiving and a great element of thanksgiving and a great element of delight to see the new king and queen consort here. the splendidly smart site of the royal company of archers supplying the kings bodyguard in scotland. and someone of course we know is the city extremely well is my good friend and colleaguejames naughtie who will help us understand the proceedings during the afternoon. it is a wonderful site at the palace of holyroodhouse with the 5th battalion the royal regiment of scotland there is guard of honour and the royal company of archers rather splendidly done up in the green uniform and carrying longbows because it also acts as an archery club as well as the bodyguard. they are lined up along with the high constables of holyroodhouse who are always on parade on the sovereign or a senior member of the royal family is there. the lord provost as you said is having a busy day, welcoming the king at edinburgh airport at about half an hour ago and he is now in place. the lord provost and the lord lieutenant of the city of edinburgh. this ceremony of the keys is a symbolic act where the sovereign receives the keys of the city and keeps them safe while as it was her majesty the queen was in residence and then they are handed back on her departure or on the departure of the king as we will now see. and there are the keys of the city. one is never sure which gates they open! this ceremony was carried out by the queen herself injune when she came to be in residence as the traditional preliminary to her summer at balmoral and again it was the fifth regiment, the 5th battalion of the royal regiment of scotland who were here as guard of honour on that occasion. and here they are again. this is a wonderful building which started life as a monastery founded by king david the first and you still have the ruins of the old monastic buildings as you probably saw earlier. then it was really built by james the fourth who is a stuart king of course married margaret tudor and the palace was established really in his time at the beginning of the 16th century. and in fame and fable it was the home of mary queen of scots. that is the bit of history, rather bloody and dramatic that tourists find most exciting but the building is known to all the members of the royal family as all of them have spent a good deal of time here. at the moment above the palace the royal standard of scotland, the lion rampant of course is flying at half mast. we will see when the king arrives and is technically in residence i think we will see the flag raised and it will no longer be at half mast. after the coffin comes from the throne room it will process up from the throne room it will process up the royal mile, the route which the king took a moment to go by car and he and the queen consort will walk from holyrood up the hill to the cathedral of st giles which is right by the market cross where the proclamation was made yesterday to the people of edinburgh and a 21 gun salute was fired from the castle ramparts and that will happen again to celebrate or to mark at least the arrival of the king here. and the vigil, and as we have heard, the coffin will lie in st giles�* for around 2a out for people to visit and pay their respects. the people of edinburgh are out in vast numbers today in the sunshine. as the king and queen consort across the courtyard towards the palace of holyroodhouse, to be greeted by the lord provost and to be given the keys of the city. then later this afternoon, after the service, the king will go to the scottish parliament, just literally across the street from the palace of holyroodhouse, to receive the condolences of the parliament. the first minister, nicola sturgeon, was among those, as we saw, who welcomed him at the airport within the last hour. so, from one parliament in westminster to another parliament in edinburgh, the one established in 1999, which was opened in that year by her majesty the queen in a great procession which went from here up to the building where the general chamblee of the church of scotland sits, because the new —— the general assembly of the church of scotland, because the new parliament building hadn�*t been built at that point and the parliament sat in the assembly hall, any delete like a historic hall, any delete like a historic hall, part of the great religious struggles in scotland. it also encompassed st giles�* itself, as we shall see. the lord provost greets the king, and he will introduce the naval regional commander, the air officer of scotland, and the chief constable, and also the sheriff principal of edinburgh. the king is very familiar with this building, and indeed with... the sheriff principal is being introduced, and the military officers. the chief constable of police scotland is also there in the receiving line. air vice marshal ross patterson. and ian livingstone, the chief constable of police scotland. behind them, you see the royal company of archers in their balmoral bonnets and eagle feathers. a rather splendid site there. looked after by their captain general, who is also gold stick for scotland, as ever on hand to greet the sovereign. now, the keys will be presented on a velvet cushion to the king by the lord promised. it�*s a very simple... national anthem plays the royal standard now flies at full mast above the palace of holyroodhouse. the royal standard in scotland has two quadrants which show the lion rampant, so it is slightly different from the sovereign standard as flown elsewhere in the united kingdom. this will be the first time the king has participated in the ceremony of the keys, one that her late majesty the queen enjoyed every year when she came for her holyrood week. and indeed, she was famous around holyrood for knowing the names of all the high constables. she spotted everything, and when someone was missing, she asked where he was, and was he all right. completely embedded in the life of this place. indeed, the royal family, very, very close connections with edinburgh. the princess royal, as chancellor of edinburgh university, as herfather the duke of edinburgh had been for years, took an extremely active interest in the life of the university. the king is now inspecting the guard of honour from the royal regiment of scotland. before he receives the keys of the city of edinburgh. the royal regiment of scotland is of recent construction, really. it is only 15 ori6 construction, really. it is only 15 or 16 years old, an amalgamation of predecessor regiments, many famous regiments are part of the royal regiment of scotland. and the queen was the royal colonel of the 5th battalion, known as the balaclava company, as well as being colonel in chief of the royal regiment itself, six battalions. this battalion, based at the barracks in the west of the city of edinburgh. the sun is shining over holyrood park, arthurs seat, the great volcanic eruption, really, in the middle of the city, with salisbury crags looming over the palace of holyroodhouse. that familiar escarpment that gives the city so much of its character. like the castle on the hill, where 21 gun salute has been fired for the king. royal mill, up —— the royal mile, up which the procession will go to the castle, the castle esplanade, and then the fortress itself, beautiful progress through the old town. in past times it was the complete city, really. the protection of the castle round the castle rock, till the great newtown of the 18th century was built, across the space where there is waverley station and other things. the lord provost will hand the king the keys of the city, which will be kept in his possession until he leaves tomorrow. the traditional words used are, we, the lord provost and the people of edinburgh, welcome your majesty and offerfor your edinburgh, welcome your majesty and offer for your gracious acceptance the keys of your majesty�*s good city of edinburgh. the king hand them back, saying he is please that they can�*t be put in better hands. the trust is re—established. the king is welcoming guests who are here, on his first official visit. councillors, the baileys of edinburgh. the leaders of the various political groups. the leader of the labour group, effectively in control of the council now. at the mcveigh of the snp, kevin laing of the lib dems. they are the city fathers and mothers, i suppose we should say, of edinburgh. who will be regarding it as a great matter of pride to be here on this day, which has brought so many people onto the streets of this ancient city, where so much history has been played out in this part of the city. in the mile or so between this palace and the castle. extraordinary moments. there was a time in the 18th century when prince charles edward stuart, bonnie prince charlie, had his jacobite court dancing and singing down here at the palace of holyroodhouse while hanoverian troops sat up in the castle a mile away. they would meet in a final struggle at culloden in 1746, and that was that, but this city has seen it all, really, and holyrood is steeped in history. the king and queen consortjust steeped in history. the king and queen consort just walked steeped in history. the king and queen consortjust walked into the palace of holyroodhouse, which they both know well, and they will go to the throne room, and from there, the coffin will be taken to the front door, and a little later, it will process, with the king and the queen consort, on foot, at the royal mile to st giles�*, and these sombre moments are also moments of reflection and celebration at the king�*s first visit to edinburgh since the proclamation of his accession to the throne. this will be a day that edinburgh will remember. indeed it will, and it promises to be memorable notjust in terms of the ceremonial itself, but in terms of the service that is to come at st giles�* cathedral, where there is a really rich and impressive selection of music, and indeed readings that have been put together. so really looking forward to the service itself, which is the centrepiece of the afternoon�*s events, if you like. if you are justjoining the afternoon�*s events, if you like. if you arejustjoining us, a very warm welcome. we are here to follow the events in edinburgh, where there is a service of thanksgiving for the life of the late queen, her majesty queen elizabeth ii. we havejust seen the king, the new king and the queen consort, welcomed at the palace of holyrood, and of course, the ceremony of the keys, the formal welcome, the formal permission, if you like, for the king to take possession of his own abode and be in residence in the palais —— palace of holyroodhouse. that is the first part of the ceremonial events of today. it might be a helpful thing today. it might be a helpful thing to give you a sense of the timings coming up, because at around 2:35pm, we then know that the king and his two brothers and sister, they will be making their way from the palace of holyroodhouse on foot, walking behind the queen�*s coffin for the short distance to st giles�*, along that royal mile. as james was telling us, the main thoroughfare of the old town of edinburgh. all of the old town of edinburgh. all of the surrounding area steeped in the history of the great city itself. and at 3pm, that is when the service of prayer and reflection, to give it its formal title, for the life of her majesty queen elizabeth ii will be taking place. when the service concludes, the public will then have a chance to file past, to visit the cathedral, to file past the coffin and show their respect for the late queen. then, at around 5:40pm, the king will be in the parliament, receiving a motion of condolence from members of the scottish parliament. he was at westminster in a similar context this morning. it is the scottish parliament today. after that, we then expect the king and his brothers and sister to return to the cathedral, to return to st giles�*, to observe a vigil there at around 7:20 p m this evening, a short vigil. we then think that there will be other seniorfigures from the think that there will be other senior figures from the city who will want to be standing vigil, too, members of the armed forces, of course, and those who have had dealings with the queen over the years, but the vigil will be led initially by the king and by the king�*s siblings. her majesty�*s coffin will rest in the cathedral overnight, and then it will be flown south of the border, down to london, at 6pm tomorrow evening. at that point, it will be taken initially to buckingham palace. so today we have an afternoon of significant events to follow in edinburgh. the city to has an opportunity to say a formal thank you to her majesty as the king did in his television address, a formal thank you and of course to pay respects and give thanks for a lifetime of service. we will be here with some special guests, some of them have worked with the queen in them have worked with the queen in the past and some have a perspective on history and the kind of tradition that we are seeing today so stay with us for all of that. if some of you want to follow the royal coverage if you like without our special guests you can watch that on the red button to see the unedited feed from that. but given the people we have coming in to see as my friendly advice would be to stay with us and enjoy the company of our guests and our expert commentators including james. given that edinburgh is the focal point of today�*s proceedings, we will naturally be reflecting on her majesty�*s bond with the scots, and the way she will be remembered by the people of scotland. so before the ceremony a lot to talk about. so, let�*s begin by reminding ourselves of her majesty�*s decades of experience, living for months on end at balmoral, and visiting all corners of scotland during her long life. her majesty, she adored scotland. she had a tremendous love of scottish people and tremendous love of the highlands and islands. clearly scotland had close place in her heart. of course her maternal grandparents were scottish and she spent a lot of my childhood with them and that made scotland quite special to her. mil them and that made scotland quite special to her-— special to her. all the people are the kind of— special to her. all the people are the kind of down _ special to her. all the people are the kind of down to _ special to her. all the people are the kind of down to earth - special to her. all the people are the kind of down to earth folk . special to her. all the people are. the kind of down to earth folk that she liked. — the kind of down to earth folk that she liked, they were respectful but has dry— she liked, they were respectful but has dry sense of humour which her majesty— has dry sense of humour which her majesty liked. i know in the summertime she looked forward so much _ summertime she looked forward so much to— summertime she looked forward so much to getting back to balmoral. to use a much to getting back to balmoral. use a phrase much to getting back to balmoral. trr use a phrase from hill farming she was hefted to the hills of balmoral like the sheep that know every inch of the hillside, she knew it like the back of a hand and had done since a child.— the back of a hand and had done since a child. ., ~ ., since a child. people talk about the ower of a since a child. people talk about the power of a sense _ since a child. people talk about the power of a sense of _ since a child. people talk about the power of a sense of place 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and being able to feel she was backin again and being able to feel she was back in scotland and being able to relax completely. when britannia went up to the highlands that was the best trip her majesty could have had. it was not the mediterranean, not the sunshine of the caribbean, it was the sea loughs of scotland and the people. i think the fact she came so regularly to scotland, it was not a visit to scotland — to scotland, it was not a visit to scotland but a visit to part of her home _ scotland but a visit to part of her home. ., , ., ~' scotland but a visit to part of her home. ., , ., ~ ., ., home. lots more like that to come. lovely memories _ home. lots more like that to come. lovely memories of _ home. lots more like that to come. lovely memories of the _ home. lots more like that to come. lovely memories of the queen - home. lots more like that to come. lovely memories of the queen and| home. lots more like that to come. i lovely memories of the queen and her many visits to scotland and her great love of scotland which she expressed many times and i think it was clear on herface expressed many times and i think it was clear on her face when she dealt with all kinds of people from many walks of life in scotland that she loved the experience. our first guest this afternoon is a distinguished musician from ayrshire — nicola benedetti — the internationally famous violinist who has played in concert halls all over the world, as well as many times for her majesty. there was one occasion when you performed for her majesty that stands out? performed for her ma'esty that stands aunt performed for her ma'esty that stands tutti performed for her ma'esty that stands out? , ., ., ., , stands out? they were all memorable occasions. stands out? they were all memorable occasions- but — stands out? they were all memorable occasions. but seeing _ stands out? they were all memorable occasions. but seeing as _ stands out? they were all memorable occasions. but seeing as much - stands out? they were all memorable occasions. but seeing as much of - occasions. but seeing as much of this is focused in scotland the honour of playing at the opening of the scottish parliament new building, iwas the scottish parliament new building, i wasjust 17 and overwhelmed by the experience. but after the performance there was a lot of people around and it was an incredibly crowded room and in the centre of that room myself and her majesty the queen were put together! and ifound her to be incredibly funny and incredibly perceptive and astute with immediate commentary on what i had performed and the occasion. i think we all feel a little overwhelmed in those moments but it is still so much content that is so distant to my memory. i remember the televising of it well in 2004 when the new parliament building opened. and your performance was magical, i remember everyone talking about it. you talked about how perceptive the queen was and he mentioned her sense of humour and queen was and he mentioned her sense of humourand many queen was and he mentioned her sense of humour and many people over the years have not quite understood that she had several facets to her personality. but a twinkle in her eye and seeing the funny side of things was one of them and that was clear when you met?— clear when you met? absolutely and for me the most _ clear when you met? absolutely and for me the most substantial- for me the most substantial conversation i had with her was upon receiving the queens medal for music and that was a lengthy conversation and that was a lengthy conversation and the thing that struck me most on that occasion was speaking to so many individuals before meeting with her and as has been mentioned so many times, her personal approach in knowing everyone and just conducting herself with such grace and respect of everyone that she encountered. and then the conversation itself with her was hysterical from beginning to end, just unbelievably perceptive and humorous and recounting moments of her childhood listening to music and also very strong opinions on the importance of music education and the importance of having a collective of young people doing nothing else and not being distracted by anything else but having instruments in their hands. she was really pointed about doing this work and to keep on doing it and i think that is aside but of course in her most public presence you cannot see to that degree. i have to ask you, this focus today clearly on scotland and edinburgh and the fact that the queen had such and the fact that the queen had such a strong bond with notjust balmoral but really all of scotland. what does today mean for scots people, do you think? you mentioned you have a base in edinburgh and your roots are very deep. what does today mean for scottish people? i very deep. what does today mean for scottish people?— scottish people? i think for the scottish people? i think for the scottish people _ scottish people? i think for the scottish people and _ scottish people? i think for the scottish people and speaking l scottish people? i think for the | scottish people and speaking in particular to this person, this woman. kings and queens have conducted themselves as long as prime in all different manners but there has been such a consistency and dignity and discipline and grace of her behaviour across such a long stretch of time that regardless of your belief systems there is a unanimous feeling towards her as a person. and i think that is just one of extreme admiration and of course celebration of her life and also glass. i celebration of her life and also tlass. . ., celebration of her life and also tlass, ., ~' celebration of her life and also tlass. .., . ~ ., i. celebration of her life and also tlass, ., ~' ., ., celebration of her life and also tlass. . ~' ., ., ., , glass. i could talk to you for hours but obviously _ glass. i could talk to you for hours but obviously we _ glass. i could talk to you for hours but obviously we have _ glass. i could talk to you for hours but obviously we have the - glass. i could talk to you for hours but obviously we have the events | glass. i could talk to you for hours. but obviously we have the events in edinburgh butjust thank but obviously we have the events in edinburgh but just thank you but obviously we have the events in edinburgh butjust thank you very much on behalf of the viewers for coming in and lovely to see you. for those of you unfamiliar with the scottish capital let me just share this map showing the route and locations of the main landmarks involved in the various ceremonial events today. the royal mile is the main artery going from the palace of holyroodhouse to the castle itself and then of course we have sent giles about two thirds of the way along heading towards the castle and thatis along heading towards the castle and that is where the service of thanksgiving will be taking place and that is where the coffin of her majesty will be resting over night. that is the geography. centiles the patron saint of edinburgh, the cathedral is not actually a cathedral is not actually a cathedral now because the church of scotland is a presbyterian church with no bishops or cathedrals but it used to be a cathedral and it is still called a cathedral. it was founded by the scottish king david the first around 900 years ago and the first around 900 years ago and the current building dates from the period of the 14th century and is closely linked to many notable scottish figures including john knox who served as minister of the church at the time of the scottish reformation when scotland broke with the roman catholic church to develop its own crack. the congregation today comprised of dignities, representatives of different scottish charities and organisations supported by her majesty and it is an opportunity for all of these people to say thank you and farewell to the longest serving monarch in scotland. my colleague kirsty wark is there now. i�*m scotland. my colleague kirsty wark is there nova— is there now. i'm standing in parliament _ is there now. i'm standing in parliament square _ is there now. i'm standing in parliament square and - is there now. i'm standing in parliament square and to . is there now. i'm standing in| parliament square and to my is there now. i'm standing in - parliament square and to my right as st giles and to my left where the proclamation of king charles ii! was made. so many thousands of people are here and of course the queen has are here and of course the queen has a long threat of royal ancestry going back to robert the bruce and mary queen of scots and these long cobbled streets that will bring the coffin in the royal entourage up to st giles have witnessed so much royal history. houses here going back to the 15th century. it has been a glorious day and people have been a glorious day and people have been arriving since six o�*clock in the mourning and i went to speak to some people and literally there was a ten metre section and i asked where people were from and the list was amazing. sweden, brazil, italy, new zealand, sri lanka, china, japan, singapore. closerto home, preston, devon, argyll. i asked japan, singapore. closerto home, preston, devon, argyll. iasked them what their statement to them and one man shouted i�*m here because she was elizabeth the great. i asked about the overriding emotion and they said they so appreciated her constancy. and soon they will witness the arrival of the coffin of elizabeth ii, elizabeth queen of scots here in scotland which will arrive to the west door of centiles above which is a beautiful modern stained glass window by an icelandic artist as a memorial of robert burns the national bard. kirsty, we look forward to it. inside the cathedral, you can make out a glimpse of some of the wonderful works of art inside st giles�* cathedral. we willjoin sally magnusson. the cathedral is filling up fast, as you can see people being guided to their seats by members of the royal company of archers, with the eagle feathers waving from their bonnets. and there is the burns memorial window that kirsty was talking about. with the red sun reflecting the red red rose of one of robert burns�*s most famous poems. made in 1985. the congregation is a great mix of people from all over scotland. i imagine a fairfew mix of people from all over scotland. i imagine a fair few of them will have been surprised, maybe a bit overwhelmed, when the e—mail invitation dropped in over the weekend, because these are notjust the high head ones, as we say here, but folks from all walks of life who have looked after others in their communities, in many cases through organisations associated with the queen herself. everyone is sitting quietly, chatting a bit, some with an air of suppressed excitement as they came in, doubtless taking in they came in, doubtless taking in the momentous nature of the occasion for those who are here, momentous for those who are here, momentous for scotland, too. the high kirk of edinburgh, as you were saying, huw, is a very ancient place, but much renovated over the years, and full of graceful modern touches, not least the striking communion table. it is not an alter in the church of scotland. it stands right in the middle of the kirk, between the four great medieval pillars, and it is made from a single block of beautiful italian marble. and that is where the minister, the reverend calum macleod, will be standing later to open the service. he told me he was feeling a bit nervous today, but everyone in st giles�* simply wants to do scotland proud today as it gives thanks to a queen whom, we know, was very fond of us. a sublime setting for the service, which is due to begin injust over an hour, as sally was saying there. it is a service which will combine ancient and modern, notjust in terms of the fabric of the cathedral itself but in terms of the content of the service, too. outside st giles�*, the crowds are already there. it is a very impressive turnout, as you would expect, because the people of edinburgh and indeed of scotland, very keen, as they were yesterday when the queen�*s body was brought down from balmoral, very keen to be there to convey their respects, their sympathy, to their respects, their sympathy, to the new king and his family. and to acknowledge the remarkable, long life of service given by the queen. and this is where the queen�*s coffin will be processed, with the new king walking behind it, and other members of the family, all the way up to the cathedral itself. my colleague sarah smith is at the foot of the royal mile with some of the people there. yes, you can see the pictures, just how many people have turned out, more than a dozen deep in many places, people who have waited hours and hours to be here. there would be many more if they could fit on the narrow thoroughfare, the medieval road that is the royal mile. in one of the things people have been saying is that they feel remarkably fortunate that the queen happened to die at balmoral castle, and therefore we are having these ceremonies in edinburgh, giving people in scotland a chance to come and pay their respects in person. they feel that is very important to them. the hours that they have been waiting for these ceremonies to begin, it is really remarkable how quiet the crowd has been. you would expect them to be quite boisterous when you see so many people there, but many people standing in quiet contemplation of what this moment means, and a lot of them dressed up, showing respect as if they were attending a funeral themselves. soon, they will see the site of the queen�*s coffin with the king and his sister and brothers walking behind it. ,, . ., ., sister and brothers walking behind it. such an important point for those of you — it. such an important point for those of you watching, - it. such an important point for i those of you watching, imagining maybe that this event and these great scenes in edinburgh today would have taken place in any case upon the queen�*s death. well, that isn�*t the case. add to the queen died in buckingham palace, windsor or sandringham, as herfather did in 1952, we wouldn�*t be in edinburgh today. given what we saw yesterday and the scenes today, and this wonderful service that they have organised, it would be a great shame to miss all of this, i think we can all agree. to miss all of this, i think we can allagree. my to miss all of this, i think we can all agree. my special guests, whom i would like to introduce, the historian and biographer of queen elizabeth ii, robert lacey, and the royal correspondent of vanity fair, katie nicholl, often with me on these occasions as well. you are both very welcome. the point i made, robert, about edinburgh and the fact that today wasn�*t a given, but given the queen�*s very strong bond with scotland and the scots, it is indeed a very good outcome in the sense of the way that this arrangement is playing out. the way that this arrangement is playing out-— the way that this arrangement is playing out. the way that this arrangement is tla int out. . , playing out. indeed. i mean, she was half scottish, — playing out. indeed. i mean, she was half scottish, and _ playing out. indeed. i mean, she was half scottish, and she _ playing out. indeed. i mean, she was half scottish, and she would - playing out. indeed. i mean, she was half scottish, and she would have - half scottish, and she would have spent many of her summer holidays up with her scottish side of the family, the queen mother�*s side of the family. glamis castle, which english people perhaps associate with macbeth and sinister things like that, well, it is where she played as a child. and yes, as sarah said, she said it was fortunate. it was indeed. but not really accidental. i mean, it was a big part of her year, every year. fin part of her year, every year. on that note. _ part of her year, every year. on that note, and this is a point i will put to both of you, and katie first, we have reflected on the fact, and worth underlining it today, that the queen, with serious health issues, decided nonetheless that she did want to spend a good deal of time at balmoral during the summer. and that decision speaks volumes, really, about the fact that she was, first, very comfortable to be in balmoral, somewhere that she was very happy to be and somewhere with lots of good memories, but knowing too that, with health issues and the challenges there, it might be a difficult stay. and yet, she insisted on making thejourney. she insisted on making the “ourney. she insisted on making the “ourney. she insisted on making the journey. she insisted on making the journey. she insisted on making the journey. she insisted on making the journey, and ithink— insisted on making the journey, and i think she _ insisted on making the journey, and i think she was the queen of scots, and i_ i think she was the queen of scots, and i think— i think she was the queen of scots, and i think she wanted this to be part of— part of her ultimate homecoming. it was deeply moving to see the first night _ was deeply moving to see the first night leave balmoral knowing she would _ night leave balmoral knowing she would never return to a place where she had _ would never return to a place where she had enjoyed holiday since she was a _ she had enjoyed holiday since she was a little girl. it was one place where _ was a little girl. it was one place where she — was a little girl. it was one place where she could leave her crown at the gates _ where she could leave her crown at the gates and be in a different role - mother, — the gates and be in a different role — mother, grandmother, great—grandmother. i think there was a bit great—grandmother. i think there was a hit of— great—grandmother. ! think there was a hit of her— great—grandmother. i think there was a bit of her that knew she wasn't going _ a bit of her that knew she wasn't going to — a bit of her that knew she wasn't going to come back. i think she wanted — going to come back. i think she wanted to— going to come back. i think she wanted to be in balmoral and to pass there. _ wanted to be in balmoral and to pass there. and _ wanted to be in balmoral and to pass there, and the fact that she did peacefully is a blessing in all of this _ peacefully is a blessing in all of this. �* .. ., peacefully is a blessing in all of this. �* ., , peacefully is a blessing in all of this. ~ ., , this. and the fact that she was there meant _ this. and the fact that she was there meant that _ this. and the fact that she was there meant that our - this. and the fact that she was there meant that our current l this. and the fact that she was - there meant that our current prime minister was made prime minister in scotland, just to remind her, politically, constitutionally, that we are talking about the united kingdom, and it was something that she always strove so hard to emphasise. she always strove so hard to emphasise-— she always strove so hard to em-hasise. , ., ., ._ emphasise. there is an element today which is to do — emphasise. there is an element today which is to do with _ emphasise. there is an element today which is to do with scotland _ emphasise. there is an element today which is to do with scotland making i which is to do with scotland making a statement. this is scotland, which is a devolved nation, and as robert rightly says, there is a constitutional angle to all of this. and the events of the last four or five days have forced people to confront them as well in a new way. just a question to both of you, then, robert first on this one, the scots, very proud, very independent minded, a nation of people who are very aware of their heritage and very aware of their heritage and very aware of their heritage and very aware of their past, and yet we are seeing this great demonstration of loyalty and affection for a monarch of the united kingdom. you see no kind of friction in those two concepts? hat see no kind of friction in those two conce-ts? ., . , see no kind of friction in those two conce-ts? ., ., , ., see no kind of friction in those two concets? ., ., . , ., . see no kind of friction in those two conce-ts? ., .,, ., , ., ., see no kind of friction in those two concets? ., ., . , ., . , concepts? not as a historian, may be technically- — concepts? not as a historian, may be technically- i— concepts? not as a historian, may be technically. i am _ concepts? not as a historian, may be technically. i am pretty— concepts? not as a historian, may be technically. i am pretty sure - technically. i am pretty sure scotland has never been conquered except by the romans. when they fought what is known as the war of independence in the middle ages, that was only because england tried to invade. i don�*t think england has ever certainly been in control of caledonia. let�*s not forget, from 1603, after queen elizabeth the first died, down camejames the sixth of scotland. he becamejames the first of england. scots often tell me, you have got a scottish monarchy there. and that is what we are being reminded of.— are being reminded of. katie, a final point— are being reminded of. katie, a final point at — are being reminded of. katie, a final point at this _ are being reminded of. katie, a final point at this stage. - are being reminded of. katie, a final point at this stage. we - are being reminded of. katie, a| final point at this stage. we will talk more later. what does today mean, do you think, in terms of what the royal family are saying about its links with scotland?— the royal family are saying about its links with scotland? simply that the want its links with scotland? simply that they want them _ its links with scotland? simply that they want them to _ its links with scotland? simply that they want them to be _ its links with scotland? simply that they want them to be continued. it| they want them to be continued. it was such— they want them to be continued. it was such an — they want them to be continued. it was such an important part of the queen's— was such an important part of the queen's life, publicly and privately, and she was passionate about _ privately, and she was passionate about the — privately, and she was passionate about the kingdom staying united, and i_ about the kingdom staying united, and i believe king charles will absolutely follow in those footsteps. absolutely follow in those footsteps— absolutely follow in those footste-s. ., ., footsteps. more from you in a while. thank ou footsteps. more from you in a while. thank you both _ footsteps. more from you in a while. thank you both very _ footsteps. more from you in a while. thank you both very much _ footsteps. more from you in a while. thank you both very much for- footsteps. more from you in a while. thank you both very much for now. | footsteps. more from you in a while. l thank you both very much for now. we have been talking to some of my colleagues in various parts of edinburgh. i will nowjoin martell maxwell, spending the day talking to those who have travelled from all parts of scotland to pay their respects. parts of scotland to pay their res-ects. . ., parts of scotland to pay their res-ects. , ., ., parts of scotland to pay their respects— parts of scotland to pay their res-ects. , ., ., ., respects. yes, from all over the world, all— respects. yes, from all over the world, all over _ respects. yes, from all over the world, all over the _ respects. yes, from all over the world, all over the uk, - respects. yes, from all over the world, all over the uk, and - respects. yes, from all over the | world, all over the uk, and here respects. yes, from all over the i world, all over the uk, and here in scotland, the feeling is exceptional. it is so busy, and yet there is a hushed silence in many parts. one of the people who has joined me here is davina. where have you travelled from today? from joined me here is davina. where have you travelled from today?— you travelled from today? from east kflbfide you travelled from today? from east kilbride foot — you travelled from today? from east kilbride foot this _ you travelled from today? from east kilbride foot this morning. _ you travelled from today? from east kilbride foot this morning. we - you travelled from today? from east kilbride foot this morning. we left i kilbride foot this morning. we left at two _ kilbride foot this morning. we left at two o'clock and arrived in edinburgh at 5am.— at two o'clock and arrived in edinburgh at 5am. at two o'clock and arrived in edinburt h at 5am. ., ., , �* ,., edinburgh at 5am. that doesn't sound like an east kilbride _ edinburgh at 5am. that doesn't sound like an east kilbride accent. _ edinburgh at 5am. that doesn't sound like an east kilbride accent. i'm - like an east kilbride accent. i'm from the outskirts of stranraer, the most _ from the outskirts of stranraer, the most southerly point in scotland. why was — most southerly point in scotland. why was it — most southerly point in scotland. why was it so important for you to be here? i why was it so important for you to be here? ,, ., , be here? i met the queen when i was ten or 11 be here? i met the queen when i was ten or ii at — be here? i met the queen when i was ten or ii at a — be here? i met the queen when i was ten or 11 at a cattle _ be here? i met the queen when i was ten or 11 at a cattle show, _ be here? i met the queen when i was ten or 11 at a cattle show, i _ be here? i met the queen when i was ten or 11 at a cattle show, i lifted - ten or 11 at a cattle show, i lifted my head — ten or 11 at a cattle show, i lifted my head up _ ten or 11 at a cattle show, i lifted my head up and i saw a wee glint in her eyes _ my head up and i saw a wee glint in her eyes it�*s— my head up and i saw a wee glint in her e es. �* , ., my head up and i saw a wee glint in here es. �*, ., ., ., her eyes. it's not uncommon for --eole her eyes. it's not uncommon for people to _ her eyes. it's not uncommon for people to remember _ her eyes. it's not uncommon for people to remember that - her eyes. it's not uncommon for people to remember that glint l her eyes. it's not uncommon for| people to remember that glint in her eyes. it's not uncommon for - people to remember that glint in the queen�*s eyes and never forget her. you can never forget the queen�*s eyes and never forget her. you can neverforget the queen, so you can never forget the queen, so you can't _ you can never forget the queen, so ou can't. . ~ you can never forget the queen, so ou can't. ., ,, i. . ., you can't. thank you so much for sharint. you can't. thank you so much for sharing- huw- — you can't. thank you so much for sharing. huw. we _ you can't. thank you so much for sharing. huw. we will— you can't. thank you so much for sharing. huw. we will hear- you can't. thank you so much for sharing. huw. we will hear morej you can't. thank you so much for- sharing. huw. we will hear more from lots of the lovely _ sharing. huw. we will hear more from lots of the lovely people _ sharing. huw. we will hear more from lots of the lovely people who - sharing. huw. we will hear more from lots of the lovely people who have - lots of the lovely people who have been queueing up for hours very patiently because they want to be part of today, to be part of the event. someone who is very much part of the event as well is with me here, the distinguished photographer julian calder. nice to see you. thank you so much. you photographed the royal family many times. her ma'es the royal family many times. her majesty seven _ the royal family many times. he: majesty seven times, and prince philip several times.— philip several times. formal tortraits philip several times. formal portraits or— philip several times. formal portraits or less _ philip several times. formal portraits or less formal? - philip several times. formal- portraits or less formal? formal tortraits, portraits or less formal? formal portraits. and — portraits or less formal? formal portraits, and i _ portraits or less formal? formal portraits, and i accompanied - portraits or less formal? formal. portraits, and i accompanied prince philip around china in 1986, which wasjust four of us, philip around china in 1986, which was just four of us, which was memorable. and funny. wasjust four of us, which was memorable. and funny. remarkable. with lots of fun _ memorable. and funny. remarkable. with lots of fun on _ memorable. and funny. remarkable. with lots of fun on the _ memorable. and funny. remarkable. with lots of fun on the way. - memorable. and funny. remarkable. with lots of fun on the way. very - with lots of fun on the way. very interesting- _ with lots of fun on the way. very interesting. a _ with lots of fun on the way. very interesting. a portrait _ with lots of fun on the way. very interesting. a portrait of- with lots of fun on the way. very interesting. a portrait of the - interesting. a portrait of the queen, interesting. a portrait of the queen. the _ interesting. a portrait of the queen, the sovereign, - interesting. a portrait of the queen, the sovereign, is - interesting. a portrait of the queen, the sovereign, is a l interesting. a portrait of the - queen, the sovereign, is a different order of duty. what are your memories of setting up the shots? the kind of discussion you might have about what the concept was, and how did that work out? like have about what the concept was, and how did that work out?— how did that work out? like all these things. _ how did that work out? like all these things, it _ how did that work out? like all these things, it starts - how did that work out? like all these things, it starts with - how did that work out? like all these things, it starts with an l these things, it starts with an idea. with several colleagues, i thought it would be very nice to photograph her as queen of scots, so my message was sent to the palace, and they said, can�*t do it in edinburgh week, but we can do it in balmoral. we thought, first hurdle jumped. the next hurdle was to suggest that we did it out in the open. suggest that we did it out in the o ten. . ., suggest that we did it out in the 0 en. ., ., ., suggest that we did it out in the oen. ., ., ., , suggest that we did it out in the oen, ., ., ., , ., suggest that we did it out in the open. ., ., ., , .., ., ., open. hang on a second, i want to show the view — open. hang on a second, i want to show the view was _ open. hang on a second, i want to show the view was this, _ open. hang on a second, i want to show the view was this, because l open. hang on a second, i want to i show the view was this, because this is just stunning. tell us show the view was this, because this isjust stunning. tell us more. right, so, because we couldn�*t do her as queen of scots in edinburgh, we wanted to then photograph her as one of her many titles, the chief of chiefs. we did a recce, myself and the queen�*s dresser, and the following morning, when everything had been agreed and we had found a location that was suitable, i went up location that was suitable, i went up to see angela in her study, and she was taking out the diamonds from the tiara and replacing them with emeralds. the phone rang and angela said, her majesty would like to see you. so i went down the corridor. there was her majesty, and i said, good morning, ma�*am. why should i do this? and i said, ma�*am, it is after a series of paintings by raeburn of scottish chiefs. there was a momentary thought. you could see it being processed. she said, right, we will do it, as long as it doesn�*t rain. and it didn�*t rain. it had rained tremendously on the drive up. itjust poured from london to edinburgh. itjust poured from london to edinburgh-— itjust poured from london to edinburgh. itjust poured from london to edinburth. . . ., ., ., ., edinburgh. what was going on around this? we do have _ edinburgh. what was going on around this? we do have a _ edinburgh. what was going on around this? we do have a couple _ edinburgh. what was going on around this? we do have a couple of - edinburgh. what was going on around this? we do have a couple of other. this? we do have a couple of other images linked to this. let�*s have a second image. i�*mjust images linked to this. let�*s have a second image. i�*m just fascinated by this. what is this showing? this second image. i'mjust fascinated by this. what is this showing?— this. what is this showing? this is my sister. — this. what is this showing? this is my sister, pushing _ this. what is this showing? this is my sister, pushing the _ this. what is this showing? this is my sister, pushing the light - this. what is this showing? this is my sister, pushing the light back| my sister, pushing the light back into the velvet ropes. kneeling down with me is my friend, alistair bruce, and people from bbc will know him. ., , . yes, bruce, and people from bbc will know him-_ yes. and - him. major general. yes, and governor— him. major general. yes, and governor of— him. major general. yes, and governor of edinburgh - him. major general. yes, andj governor of edinburgh castle, him. major general. yes, and - governor of edinburgh castle, and a distinguished historian. itook photographs and he wrote a book. she had been lit in order that she is, for those interested in photography, so that she is a stop brighter than the background, which makes it have moody clouds. i wanted a romantic picture because it was a romantic role, and she had never been photographed in that sort of situation before. the photographed in that sort of situation before.— photographed in that sort of situation before. the result is stunnin t situation before. the result is stunning and _ situation before. the result is stunning and it _ situation before. the result is stunning and it is _ situation before. the result is stunning and it is wonderful. situation before. the result is| stunning and it is wonderful to situation before. the result is - stunning and it is wonderful to see a bit of the work around because we never see that at all. there is one other image i wanted to show because here the light to something special. this is the queen at her study and i askedif this is the queen at her study and i asked if i could take a photograph to illustrate her years and the oafs that she made to dedicate her life to service and duty and that is her working at her desk as she does in the mourning. and there was a photograph of her father sitting at almost the same place. i looked it up almost the same place. i looked it up today and i took it at five o�*clock in the evening at my request because i wanted it to look like the evening of her reign. she left and i waited for an hourfor evening of her reign. she left and i waited for an hour for it to get slightly darker so that the lights in the room would take over the daylight to give it warmth. it is a picture that is very personal and i�*m very happy with it. picture that is very personal and i'm very happy with it.— picture that is very personal and i'm very happy with it. we're not about that- _ i'm very happy with it. we're not about that. and _ i'm very happy with it. we're not about that. and i _ i'm very happy with it. we're not about that. and i must - i'm very happy with it. we're not about that. and i must say - i'm very happy with it. we're not about that. and i must say i - i'm very happy with it. we're not| about that. and i must say i have been completely _ about that. and i must say i have been completely in _ about that. and i must say i have been completely in all— about that. and i must say i have been completely in all of- about that. and i must say i have been completely in all of the - about that. and i must say i have - been completely in all of the amount of comments that i�*ve had about the queen and the header picture. i feel so honoured to have done that picture. i neverthought so honoured to have done that picture. i never thought when we did it it would have such a reaction. brute it it would have such a reaction. we are honoured to talk to you today and for you to explain how it came about, an image that will be around for centuries to come, thank you so much. a pleasure. we are going to join kirsty again at st giles. i�*m joined by the singer and broadcaster fiona kennedy who acts in aberdeenshire in the queen�*s absence. you are a sinner and you have sung in the presence of the queen many times. what is that like? —— you are a singer. i queen many times. what is that like? -- you are a singer-— -- you are a singer. i had an invitation — -- you are a singer. i had an invitation from _ -- you are a singer. i had an invitation from the _ -- you are a singer. i had an invitation from the ministerl -- you are a singer. i had an i invitation from the minister at crathie — invitation from the minister at crathie kirk and considering it is the queen— crathie kirk and considering it is the queen it is very informal. she comes— the queen it is very informal. she comes in— the queen it is very informal. she comes in very unobtrusively through a side _ comes in very unobtrusively through a side entrance and she walks in and sits down— a side entrance and she walks in and sits down and you are aware of this amazing _ sits down and you are aware of this amazing presence. quite a solitary figure. _ amazing presence. quite a solitary figure, almost sad in a way, very pensive — figure, almost sad in a way, very pensive and _ figure, almost sad in a way, very pensive and absolutely reflecting the huge faith she had. a wonderful privilege _ the huge faith she had. a wonderful privilege and what an experience. you are _ privilege and what an experience. you are invited to balmoral on friday, what happened? we were invited as deputy _ friday, what happened? we were invited as deputy lieutenant - friday, what happened? we were invited as deputy lieutenant and | invited as deputy lieutenant and lord lieutenant to go to pay our respects— lord lieutenant to go to pay our respects to her majesty in the ballroom of balmoral castle which again. _ ballroom of balmoral castle which again, what an honour it was, a surreal— again, what an honour it was, a surreal experience going into the ballroom — surreal experience going into the ballroom and standing on the balcony and she _ ballroom and standing on the balcony and she was surrounded by the estate factor— and she was surrounded by the estate factor and _ and she was surrounded by the estate factor and gillies wearing their balmoral tweet and the beautiful fla-. balmoral tweet and the beautiful flag it— balmoral tweet and the beautiful flag. it wasjust balmoral tweet and the beautiful flag. it was just surreal. balmoral tweet and the beautiful flag. it wasjust surreal. and deeply— flag. it wasjust surreal. and deeply emotional. i had flown from america _ deeply emotional. i had flown from america that mourning and itjust felt very— america that mourning and itjust felt very privileged and emotional thing _ felt very privileged and emotional thint. ., ., ., ~ felt very privileged and emotional thint. ., . ., ,, felt very privileged and emotional thin . ., ., ., ~' a, , felt very privileged and emotional thint. ., . . ~' i. , . thing. fiona, thank you very much indeed. thing. fiona, thank you very much indeed- the _ thing. fiona, thank you very much indeed. the queen _ thing. fiona, thank you very much indeed. the queen as _ thing. fiona, thank you very much indeed. the queen as sovereign i thing. fiona, thank you very much i indeed. the queen as sovereign was of course the — indeed. the queen as sovereign was of course the head _ indeed. the queen as sovereign was of course the head of— indeed. the queen as sovereign was of course the head of the _ indeed. the queen as sovereign was of course the head of the british - of course the head of the british armed forces and we will see them playing an important part in a ceremonial events of today. it won scottish regiment in particular it held a special place in her heart because really it was a gift, a remarkable gift given to the then princess elizabeth by her father king george vi. for her 21st birthday her majesty was gifted the argyll and sutherland highlanders by her father and was gifted the argyll and sutherland highlanders by herfather and ever since then she has held us quite close and it was heartening to see that she would wear the argyll roach on parade which demonstrates the connection she has had throughout and since her 21st birthday. it took and since her 21st birthday. it took a year with ceremonial events being split between edinburgh and london on different occasions and also at balmoral. no one can fail to have a degree of pride at that point much onto the forecourt of buckingham palace. my palace. my name is mark wilkinson of the royal— my name is mark wilkinson of the royal regiment of scotland. i take charge _ royal regiment of scotland. i take charge of— royal regiment of scotland. i take charge of the regiment mascot. nine times— charge of the regiment mascot. nine times out— charge of the regiment mascot. nine times out of ten he is front and centre — times out of ten he is front and centre he _ times out of ten he is front and centre. he was a special friend of her majesty. she would always ask about— her majesty. she would always ask about him — her majesty. she would always ask about him saying where is the wee man? _ about him saying where is the wee man? her— about him saying where is the wee man? her majesty learnt to ride on a shetland _ man? her majesty learnt to ride on a shetland pony which was a gift from her grandfather. she knew all about shetland _ her grandfather. she knew all about shetland ponies and knew that they had a _ shetland ponies and knew that they had a temperament of their own. we angry— had a temperament of their own. we angry man— had a temperament of their own. we angry man syndrome as we call that in scotland! — angry man syndrome as we call that in scotland! he thinks he is a clydesdale when he isjust a shetland. i think a majesty love to see that _ shetland. i think a majesty love to see that naughtiness as well as the showing _ see that naughtiness as well as the showing off. her see that naughtiness as well as the showing off-— see that naughtiness as well as the showing off. her ma'esty had a real sense of humour_ showing off. her majesty had a real sense of humour and _ showing off. her majesty had a real sense of humour and whilst - sense of humour and whilst discipline is inherent within the military she secretly loved it when things went wrong! we military she secretly loved it when things went wrong!— military she secretly loved it when things went wrong! we were parading in stirlint things went wrong! we were parading in stirling castle _ things went wrong! we were parading in stirling castle and _ things went wrong! we were parading in stirling castle and she _ things went wrong! we were parading in stirling castle and she had - things went wrong! we were parading in stirling castle and she had met - in stirling castle and she had met one of— in stirling castle and she had met one of the — in stirling castle and she had met one of the colour sergeants and his daughter— one of the colour sergeants and his daughter presented her with a bouquet — daughter presented her with a bouquet of flowers. as she came walking — bouquet of flowers. as she came walking up i noticed a glint in her eye, _ walking up i noticed a glint in her eye she — walking up i noticed a glint in her eye, she came up to me and the tony thought— eye, she came up to me and the tony thought it _ eye, she came up to me and the tony thought it was breakfast! he went in to eat _ thought it was breakfast! he went in to eat the _ thought it was breakfast! he went in to eat the flowers as her majesty told him — to eat the flowers as her majesty told him to get away and pulled the flowers _ told him to get away and pulled the flowers back and then said to me, why do— flowers back and then said to me, why do they always go for the flowers! — why do they always go for the flowers! she had a beaming smile on her face _ flowers! she had a beaming smile on her face and — flowers! she had a beaming smile on her face and those pictures went all around _ her face and those pictures went all around the — her face and those pictures went all around the world. the her face and those pictures went all around the world.— around the world. the formal occupation — around the world. the formal occupation of _ around the world. the formal occupation of balmoral - around the world. the formal| occupation of balmoral castle around the world. the formal - occupation of balmoral castle takes place normally at the start of august and is marked by a military parade outside the front gates of balmoral itself and typically during the summer the sovereign will host gillies balls consisting of naturally highland dancing and there is every possibility that the soldiers could end up dancing with the queen and we have to prepare them for that so that they do not look like a fool! and the interaction, that personal interaction, that personal interaction was something that provided a lot of nerves for the soldiers and a lot of excitement and those memories they will take with them for the rest their lives. tithe them for the rest their lives. one evenint them for the rest their lives. one evening myself— them for the rest their lives. one evening myself and _ them for the rest their lives. one evening myself and my wife were invited _ evening myself and my wife were invited up — evening myself and my wife were invited up to the estate with her maiesty— invited up to the estate with her majesty in straightaway she would start making salad dressing and setting — start making salad dressing and setting the table and the night would — setting the table and the night would culminate with her doing the washing _ would culminate with her doing the washing up with us which is a lovely memory _ washing up with us which is a lovely memory. she washing up with us which is a lovely memo . ,, . , washing up with us which is a lovely memo . ,, ., , ., , washing up with us which is a lovely memo . ,, ., , ., memory. she was a very important lad but memory. she was a very important lady but always _ memory. she was a very important lady but always made _ memory. she was a very important lady but always made you - memory. she was a very important lady but always made you feel- memory. she was a very important lady but always made you feel at i lady but always made you feel at ease. she never looked down at you or talked down to you, she would engage in conversation and always made you feel that she was listening. she always remembered, always remembered what she had spoken about before, if something had happened and that left me thinking, i havejust spoken had happened and that left me thinking, i have just spoken to had happened and that left me thinking, i havejust spoken to her majesty the queen and it was as easy as pie. majesty the queen and it was as easy as tie. ~ majesty the queen and it was as easy as ite. ~ . majesty the queen and it was as easy as tie. ~ . majesty the queen and it was as easy as tie. ~ , a, , , as pie. when i remember her ma'esty the thints as pie. when i remember her ma'esty the things that — as pie. when i remember her ma'esty the things that shine i as pie. when i remember her ma'esty the things that shine through i as pie. when i remember her ma'esty the things that shine through to h as pie. when i remember her majesty the things that shine through to me i the things that shine through to me either— the things that shine through to me either sense of duty all the way to the end _ either sense of duty all the way to the end and her work ethic and the fact that _ the end and her work ethic and the fact that she set the example and lived _ fact that she set the example and lived by— fact that she set the example and lived by that example. her affection for the _ lived by that example. her affection for the military compatibility to find commonality with anyone. these are traits— find commonality with anyone. these are traits that i will take with me and from — are traits that i will take with me and from my interactions with her especially— and from my interactions with her especially whilst i was on the royal guard _ especially whilst i was on the royal guard. ,, . . . , especially whilst i was on the royal guard. ,, . ., . , ., especially whilst i was on the royal guard. ,, . . . , ., guard. such a nice insight into so many layers _ guard. such a nice insight into so many layers of — guard. such a nice insight into so many layers of the _ guard. such a nice insight into so many layers of the queen's - many layers of the queen�*s relationship with the armed forces from taking interest in the animals, it is a delight to share stories like this. someone who knows all about the relationship of the armed forces is my fellow broadcaster and fellow royal marine jj chalmers. edinburgh is looking splendid today. but really aware of its responsibility today and underlining, as we see the royal company of archers and royal regiment of scotland all looking smart in a way her majesty would have approved of. what would you say about her relationship with the armed forces in practical terms, how did that manifest itself? first armed forces in practicalterms, how did that manifest itself?— did that manifest itself? first of all she was _ did that manifest itself? first of all she was our— did that manifest itself? first of- all she was our commander-in-chief, all she was our commander—in—chief, she was the boss and i say that as a term of endearment. her picture hangs in every military place around the country. and we close with a toast to the queen of the evening. but apart from that formal role at the top of the military she was a time is a veteran herself seven during the second world war as a mechanic. the first woman in the royal family to serve in the military in that way and that understanding of what it means to serve your country and serve within the armed forces. tbs, serve your country and serve within the armed forces.— the armed forces. a remarkable memory and _ the armed forces. a remarkable memory and ability _ the armed forces. a remarkable memory and ability to _ the armed forces. a remarkable memory and ability to just - the armed forces. a remarkable - memory and ability to just remember the context around people which i think for lots of people is just astounding the way that she maintained that over the decades. she met so many people and went to so many places. one of the things is because she truly listened to people, her understanding of the world and places that she went to herself, the armed forces, that was because she listened and gleaned information from lowly folks like myself all the way up to the very top of the armed forces. lots myself all the way up to the very top of the armed forces.- top of the armed forces. lots of viewers will _ top of the armed forces. lots of viewers will be _ top of the armed forces. lots of viewers will be fascinated - top of the armed forces. lots of viewers will be fascinated to - top of the armed forces. lots of i viewers will be fascinated to learn, they may not be aware that you have a family link in the sense that your father was at one stage the queen�*s chaplain. father was at one stage the queen's cha t lain. . . father was at one stage the queen's cha-lain. , , ., father was at one stage the queen's cha-lain. , , . ., , chaplain. yes, it is a remarkable thint to chaplain. yes, it is a remarkable thing to have — chaplain. yes, it is a remarkable thing to have a _ chaplain. yes, it is a remarkable thing to have a relationship - chaplain. yes, it is a remarkable thing to have a relationship of i chaplain. yes, it is a remarkablel thing to have a relationship of my own with the royal family and then one that my father had for a long time with the queen and on some of the occasions i met at that was with my father in the grounds of holyrood there. and one of the most lovely things that i�*ve ever seen was following the death of her husband, my father had written to her and she returned a letter that was typed and had all the expected notes within it but at the bottom was a handwritten message that said i�*ve just realised the jj chalmers that i�*ve been watching on the coverage of my husband�*s funeral is the same one you told me of being injured all those years ago and the same one that i enjoyed watching on strictly come dancing! so that she has an incredible memory and also she watches strictly come dancing! that i think is watches strictly come dancing! that i think is the — watches strictly come dancing! that i think is the revelation of the day although i�*m not entirely surprised! i�*m just a final thought at this stage about the events of today? speaking to us as a scot, what does today mean for scotland? the; i speaking to us as a scot, what does today mean for scotland?— today mean for scotland? as i sit here at my _ today mean for scotland? as i sit here at my heart _ today mean for scotland? as i sit here at my heart is _ today mean for scotland? as i sit here at my heart is very - today mean for scotland? as i sit here at my heart is very much - today mean for scotland? as i sit. here at my heart is very much with scotland and i�*m extremely proud to see notjust my country but my hometown and place of birth literally 500 metres away from the kirk. i was of course a royal marine and of course i�*m british and i see her as in that capacity but the wonderful thing is you can feel a sense of national identity and regional identity and the city you come from and her relationship with scotland is so obvious and clear. her love for the country for the same reasons i love it makes me proud as a scotsman and to see the way as the car processed down through the countryside to see the way that our country has responded to her legacy is just a beautiful thing. to her legacy is 'ust a beautiful thint. . ., . ~' to her legacy is 'ust a beautiful thint. . ., ., ,, ., ., thing. nice to talk to you and a treat thing. nice to talk to you and a great pleasure _ thing. nice to talk to you and a great pleasure to _ thing. nice to talk to you and a great pleasure to have - thing. nice to talk to you and a great pleasure to have you - thing. nice to talk to you and a| great pleasure to have you with thing. nice to talk to you and a - great pleasure to have you with us. throughout a very long reign, the queen has been a presence at moments of national significance in scotland. she also created fond memories for those she met along the way. memories for those she met along the wa . �* ., ., ., ., ., way. after the coronation, the queen went to visit — way. after the coronation, the queen went to visit the _ way. after the coronation, the queen went to visit the four _ way. after the coronation, the queen went to visit the four corners - way. after the coronation, the queen went to visit the four corners of - went to visit the four corners of the united kingdom. i took part in the united kingdom. i took part in the youth display at hampden park. i was in the local scouts. we all ran into the centre circle and formed a crown. it was absolutely fantastic. we were very fortunate where we were sitting. _ we were very fortunate where we were sitting, diagonally up from the royal— sitting, diagonally up from the royal box, maybe six seats or something, very near, so a lovely view— something, very near, so a lovely view of— something, very near, so a lovely view of the — something, very near, so a lovely view of the queen under the duke of edinburgh _ view of the queen under the duke of edinburgh. it was a very happy day and everything was cheered, it didn't— and everything was cheered, it didn't matter what it was. there was still some _ didn't matter what it was. there was still some austerity around, rationing _ still some austerity around, rationing and things, so everybody felt uplifted. we had this lovely young _ felt uplifted. we had this lovely young lady and her handsome husband there to _ young lady and her handsome husband there to lead us and just take us along _ there to lead us and just take us along with — there to lead us and just take us along with them. may there to lead us and 'ust take us along with them.— there to lead us and 'ust take us along with them. may this bridge brint along with them. may this bridge bring prosperity _ along with them. may this bridge bring prosperity and _ along with them. may this bridge bring prosperity and convenience j along with them. may this bridge i bring prosperity and convenience to a great many people in the years ahead. . a great many people in the years ahead. , ., , .,, ., .., ahead. the number of people that can still remember _ ahead. the number of people that can still remember what _ ahead. the number of people that can still remember what they _ ahead. the number of people that can still remember what they were - ahead. the number of people that can still remember what they were doing l still remember what they were doing on the _ still remember what they were doing on the day— still remember what they were doing on the day the queen opened the forth _ on the day the queen opened the forth road — on the day the queen opened the forth road bridge is quite amazing. i forth road bridge is quite amazing. i was _ forth road bridge is quite amazing. i was a _ forth road bridge is quite amazing. i was a very— forth road bridge is quite amazing. i was a veryjunior engineer, just graduated, — i was a veryjunior engineer, just graduated, and alan and i were a team, _ graduated, and alan and i were a team, and— graduated, and alan and i were a team, and we saw that bridge from digging _ team, and we saw that bridge from digging holes in the water until her maiesty_ digging holes in the water until her majesty opened it in 1964. it was a great _ majesty opened it in 1964. it was a great few— majesty opened it in 1964. it was a great few years, alan, was it not? it great few years, alan, was it not? it was _ great few years, alan, was it not? it was indeed, it was indeed. down the river, _ it was indeed, it was indeed. down the river, there _ it was indeed, it was indeed. down the river, there was _ it was indeed, it was indeed. down the river, there was thick, - it was indeed, it was indeed. down the river, there was thick, pea - it was indeed, it was indeed. downi the river, there was thick, pea soup fol. the river, there was thick, pea soup fog part _ the river, there was thick, pea soup fog part of— the river, there was thick, pea soup fog part of the _ the river, there was thick, pea soup fog. part of the ceremony— the river, there was thick, pea soup fog. part of the ceremony was - the river, there was thick, pea soup fog. part of the ceremony was that i fog. part of the ceremony was that the queen— fog. part of the ceremony was that the queen would _ fog. part of the ceremony was that the queen would review _ fog. part of the ceremony was that the queen would review the - fog. part of the ceremony was that the queen would review the fleet, | the queen would review the fleet, but the _ the queen would review the fleet, but the fleet — the queen would review the fleet, but the fleet didn't _ the queen would review the fleet, but the fleet didn't see _ the queen would review the fleet, but the fleet didn't see the - the queen would review the fleet, but the fleet didn't see the fleet i but the fleet didn't see the fleet delete _ but the fleet didn't see the fleet delete my— but the fleet didn't see the fleet delete my queen, _ but the fleet didn't see the fleet delete my queen, and - but the fleet didn't see the fleet delete my queen, and the - but the fleet didn't see the fleetl delete my queen, and the queen didn't— delete my queen, and the queen didn't see — delete my queen, and the queen didn't see the _ delete my queen, and the queen didn't see the fleet, _ delete my queen, and the queen. didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon _ didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon as— didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon as the _ didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon as the queen's _ didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon as the queen's car - didn't see the fleet, unfortunately. as soon as the queen's car started| as soon as the queen's car started to drive _ as soon as the queen's car started to drive across the new bridge, the fo- to drive across the new bridge, the fog lifted _ to drive across the new bridge, the fog lifted and the sun came out. an omen— fog lifted and the sun came out. an omen for— fog lifted and the sun came out. an omen for the future.— omen for the future. well, the oritinal omen for the future. well, the original road _ omen for the future. well, the original road bridge, _ omen for the future. well, the original road bridge, i - omen for the future. well, the original road bridge, i was - omen for the future. well, the original road bridge, i was a i omen for the future. well, the - original road bridge, i was a typist in the office. itjust came out the blue that i got an invitation to the opening of the new bridge. i don�*t think anybody thought we would ever see a second bridge. and then, of course, for the new bridge, to have the queen come to queensferry twice, really, was quite something. i often wonder if she ever thought, my goodness me, i was here all these years ago, and here i am back again. to open another one. iname i name this ship britannia. i wish success to her and to all who sail in her. i first saw the queen when she and the royal— i first saw the queen when she and the royal family arrived in stornoway on her majesty's yacht, the britannia. the real interest for a little _ the britannia. the real interest for a little boy— the britannia. the real interest for a little boy was that prince philip drove _ a little boy was that prince philip drove his— a little boy was that prince philip drove his own car. it was an open hillman _ drove his own car. it was an open hillman car, _ drove his own car. it was an open hillman car, and the queen sat beside — hillman car, and the queen sat beside him. and we all got a great view of— beside him. and we all got a great view of it. — beside him. and we all got a great view of it, and it was quite clear, even _ view of it, and it was quite clear, even then, — view of it, and it was quite clear, even then, that there was something of a bond _ even then, that there was something of a bond between the western isles and her— of a bond between the western isles and her majesty the queen. the tragedy in dunblane affected the whole country. indeed, the wider world as well. i could see the way in which, you know, her coming had a healing effect. it wasn�*t seen as somebody who has got to come out of duty but somebody who came because she cared. i think that, during her reign, that has been one of her characteristics — the ability to personify a nation�*s feelings and not do it in a sort of show we way. —— not do it in a sort of showy way. at every station, there were — sort of showy way. at every station, there were people _ sort of showy way. at every station, there were people on _ sort of showy way. at every station, there were people on the _ sort of showy way. at every station, there were people on the bridges i sort of showy way. at every station, l there were people on the bridges and at level— there were people on the bridges and at level crossings. almost everybody in the _ at level crossings. almost everybody in the borders was there. this particular— in the borders was there. this particular day saw her as the longest— particular day saw her as the longest serving monarch that the uk has ever— longest serving monarch that the uk has ever had. it was really a pleasure _ has ever had. it was really a pleasure for us to have her on the royal— pleasure for us to have her on the royal train, — pleasure for us to have her on the royaltrain, meet pleasure for us to have her on the royal train, meet the crew and see the locomotive on such a day. a long life can pass — the locomotive on such a day. a long life can pass by _ the locomotive on such a day. a long life can pass by many _ the locomotive on such a day. a long life can pass by many milestones. i the locomotive on such a day. a long | life can pass by many milestones. my own is no exception. but i think you all and the many others at home and overseas for your touching messages of great kindness. 50. overseas for your touching messages of great kindness.— of great kindness. so, it might be a tood of great kindness. so, it might be a good moment _ of great kindness. so, it might be a good moment to — of great kindness. so, it might be a good moment to reflect _ of great kindness. so, it might be a good moment to reflect on - of great kindness. so, it might be a good moment to reflect on the i good moment to reflect on the queen�*s historical legacy in scotland, of course, but beyond, in the commonwealth in the world. someone very well placed to help us with that is professor of modern history at st andrews university, chandrika called. thank you for coming in. if someone was to ask you —— chandrika kaul. are we in a position to say something about the queen�*s legacy in scotland, first of all? what would you say to viewers about that? flan all? what would you say to viewers about that?— about that? can i 'ust begin at the bettinnin , about that? can i 'ust begin at the beginning, which i about that? can ijust begin at the beginning, which is _ about that? can ijust begin at the beginning, which is about - about that? can ijust begin at thej beginning, which is about history? about that? can i just begin at the l beginning, which is about history? i know we have spoken about the queen and her love of scotland, but i think what needs to be stress is that this is a scottish queen. you know, it is notjust through her maternal line, but very much through that line also might, she can trace her ancestry back to james the sixth of scotland. i�*m reminded when i see these images from st giles�* cathedral of reading about when she first came as a new queen to st giles�*, in 1953. the reason i mention this is the sort of public adulation that we saw then. it seems to have come full circle in a kind of public admiration and respect, because the key thing that i have witnessed in the last few days, and i have been in scotland, is the sense of a personal response to the person of the queen. i think that is really important. whatever the position on the politics of a constitutional monarchy. the personal is — constitutional monarchy. the personal is essential and it is —— and it is at the heart of today. thousands of people gathering on the royal mile wanting, of course, to convey their personal reaction and respect for the queen and what she achieved, but there is also an element of the ownership, if you like, the ownership of the scots on their own queen. there will be some scots, of course, who are not part of this debate, they don�*t recognise the debate about monarchy, and it�*s fair to recognise that as well, but we can see today, there are so many scots who want to be in a position where they say, well, she was our queen, notjust the queen of the united kingdom, orsharing in terms of the commonwealth. again, from your point of view, the scottishness, for you, was best manifested in what way? how is it best seen? simply by spending a lot of time at balmoral or at holyrood and meeting lots of representatives of scottish society? how has the scottishness manifested itself best of all? i scottishness manifested itself best of all? ~ . of all? i think it is really important _ of all? i think it is really important not _ of all? i think it is really important not to - of all? i think it is really important not to just i of all? i think it is really important not to just go j of all? i think it is really i important not to just go by of all? i think it is really - important not to just go by what of all? i think it is really _ important not to just go by what we see in media images. it wasn�*tjust the love of the countryside and the tartan and the grouse and the shooting, it was a deep love and understanding of history. the queen, and this is something that is important to stress, she was fascinated by history, she delved into history. i have a lovely anecdote. when she was fascinated by queen victoria, and of course, queen victoria�*s links with scotland are very well known. at one point when she was talking to queen victoria�*s granddaughter, princess mary louise, and she was telling her about victoria and at one point stopped and said, sorry, i must be boring you. she said, oh, no, its history and it�*s also very thrilling. these are her words. so a strong sense of history and understanding what linked the kingdom of scotland, if you like, and what made great britain truly great was that commonality of interest. can ijust talk a little bit about the commonwealth, since you raised it? the importance of the personal becomes very relevant, even when one is looking at such a disparate and sort of global and open organisation like the commonwealth. i was very much struck by the response of the indian prime minister, narendra modi, when hearing of her passing. he tweeted that he recalled with great affection that when he last met the queen, she showed him the handkerchief that mahatma gandhi had woven specially for her as a wedding gift in 1947. so this importance of the personal in global, commonwealth politics and relations, and the importance of sentiment and empathy. i think she underlined that, and she embodied it. i think she underlined that, and she embodied it— embodied it. that's a lovely story, isn't it? i embodied it. that's a lovely story, isn't it? iiust _ embodied it. that's a lovely story, isn't it? | just think— embodied it. that's a lovely story, isn't it? i just think again - embodied it. that's a lovely story, isn't it? i just think again that i isn�*t it? i just think again that the ability there to convey that personal link sustained, let�*s face it, over decades. this is a link that she managed through a very turbulent, changing world to sustain. there were periods of tension, of course, but as we look today and as we look at the shaping of a legacy today, what you are saying clearly is that the element of the personal recollection and the personal stakeholding, if you like, is very, very important. we are looking at the images here from st giles�*, we havejust seen looking at the images here from st giles�*, we have just seen the looking at the images here from st giles�*, we havejust seen the first minister, nicola sturgeon, entering the cathedral there, and it is just a reminderfor us once again the cathedral there, and it is just a reminder for us once again that, you know, this is a national, scottish event today. yes, of course, it is within the context of a grieving process and a process of thanksgiving elsewhere, and eventually the commonwealth, and thatis eventually the commonwealth, and that is very true, but today we are looking here at a national scottish event, and it is something that lots of scots will be very proud to be seeing. of scots will be very proud to be seeint. ~ , , of scots will be very proud to be seeint. n, , ,., of scots will be very proud to be seeint. ~ , ,., , seeing. absolutely. it is a scottish communion. _ seeing. absolutely. it is a scottish communion, bidding _ seeing. absolutely. it is a scottish communion, bidding farewell- seeing. absolutely. it is a scottish communion, bidding farewell to i seeing. absolutely. it is a scottish communion, bidding farewell to a | communion, bidding farewell to a scottish queen.— communion, bidding farewell to a scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul, thank scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul. thank you _ scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul, thank you for _ scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul, thank you forjoining _ scottish queen. professor chandrika kaul, thank you forjoining us. i scottish queen. professor chandrikaj kaul, thank you forjoining us. some really insightful comments on what we are seeing. thank you so much. well then, the service will be getting under way in about half an hour, and just outside st giles�*, we can see the guards of honour lining up, including of course the heralds, very smartly dressed, then we have the royal company of archers, who are prominently represented today as part of the ceremonial. and we are really in a position where we can enjoy so much of the sights and sounds of the city of edinburgh. the heralds around the great door to the cathedral, for those of you wondering who these people in the splendid uniforms are, they are part of the heraldic establishment of scotland, led by the king of arms, the garter king of arms, and of course the special scottish heralds as well. at the palace of holyroodhouse, the state hearse is ready, ready for the formal and sombre procession from the palace, along the royal mile, all the way up to the cathedral itself stop and the state hearse will be followed on foot by the new king, and by queen consort, and by the queen�*s other children, namely the duke of york and the earl and countess of wessex, and the earl and countess of wessex, and the earl and countess of wessex, and the princess royal. there is the scene along the royal mile, which is now packed with people on both sides as you go up through the old town of the city of edinburgh, this city of great atmosphere, city of great beauty, city of great character. and of course, lots of the residents and the people of edinburgh are out today, but lots of scots have come from different parts of the country because they too are keen to be part of what is really a unique event, and i say unique advisedly here, because according to our research, anyway, there hasn�*t been a monarch of great britain who has passed away in scotland before. elizabeth ii is the first, and that is why we have this great event in edinburgh today, because the queen passed away —— had the queen passed away in some other part of the uk, this event in edinburgh today would not be happening. so that explains the ceremonial and the service of thanksgiving, and indeed the vigil that we will see later on in st giles�* cathedral for 24 hours or so, before the body is flown back tomorrow evening to raf northolt on the outskirts of london, and then the outskirts of london, and then the queen�*s body will be brought to buckingham palace initially. and then, the following day, we think, it will be taken in procession formally from buckingham palace to the palace of westminster, to westminster hall and the ancient precincts there. we are standing by, then, for the procession to begin, and let�*sjoinjames naughtie. crowds are filling the royal mile as they wait for the procession to begin. we expect the coffin to come from the throne room inside the palace of holyroodhouse in the next minutes into the forecourt. the honour guard is from the royal regiment of scotland. the band of the regiment there on the foreground of the palace with drums muffled on this solemn occasion and the bearer party will be coming from the royal regiment of scotland with escorts the kings bodyguard for scotland as it now is, the royal company of archers becoming familiar to you on this date with their balmoral caps dressed in green with their longbow. the traditional bodyguard which forms for the sovereign when she was in holyrood and when the king will come to hollywood. the royal standard in scotland flying at full mast with its two quarters of the lion rampant of scotland. this is going to be a moment of emotion. there has been quite a bit of smiling today despite the nature of the occasion and atmosphere of really great joy at the thanksgiving for the queen�*s life which of course is the point of the service at st giles which begins at three o�*clock. but i think everyone now is conscious that the site of the late queen�*s coffin as it emerges from the palace of holyroodhouse will be one that will cause people to bow their heads. at the road at st giles�* cathedral the prime minister at liz truss is just arriving and going into the west door. the congregation having taken their place there. the music already sounding through the historic cathedral. the reverend callum mcleod taking the service. the hearse is prepared at holyrood for the arrival of the queen�*s coffin which has been brought down from the throne room down the great stair and when the procession leaves the forecourt in a few minutes it will be led on foot by the king. and the queen consort and members of the royal family will walk behind. the sovereign�*s piper from the royal regiment of scotland. followed by the reverend neil gardnerfrom the reverend neil gardner from canongate. the reverend neil gardnerfrom canongate. and as such served as the local minister to the queen who has not heard of the church of scotland but a parishioner. —— who is not head of the church of scotland. and we see the coffin of her late majesty. national anthem plays the bearer party from the royal regiment of scotland, the king in the uniform of the field marshal of the uniform of the field marshal of the british army. full ceremonial uniform. the bearer party moves away. a quiet has descended on the palace of holyroodhouse. it is the moment where the palace says farewell to queen elizabeth ii. the queens, the kings bodyguard as it now is forming up kings bodyguard as it now is forming up on each side of the house. the royal company of archers. the high constables of holyrood in their places under the colonnade. always here when the sovereign is in residence. and soon, slowly, the procession will make its way up the royal mile to st giles through those crowds who will be remembering at the site of the hearse and the late queen�*s coffin the sombre nation, the sombre nature of this occasion for all the feeling of thanksgiving and sense of happiness about this city looking at its best and preparing to do its former sovereign proud, now the true nature of this occasion becomes real to everyone and they are reminded why we are here. his majesty the king, his sister at the princess royal, the duke of york his brother not wearing military uniform on this occasion because he is no longer a working royal. he will wear a uniform individual at westminster hall is a mark of respect to the green but not on the other occasions. and the earl of wessex. the queen�*s for children will walk with the house. —— the hearse. the procession begins at a stately pace across the forecourt of the palace. it has seen so much royal history down the years. some of it bloody, some of that glorious, some of it happy. the tramp of feet on cobblestones will be heard by the crowds. as they await the sombre site of the late queen�*s funeral procession. above the royal standard of scotland draped on the coffin is a wreath of white roses and dried white header from balmoral and of course thistles and herbs. quite suddenly the bustle of this city filled with vast crowds for this occasion gives way to deeply respectful silence. the quiet sound of those feet in the procession being all that we can hear. really the start of the procession that will take us right through the lying in state at westminster hall to the funeral itself next monday and the queen�*s departure from london for windsor and internment in st george�*s chapel. the coffin passing through the entrance to the palace of holyroodhouse through the streets of edinburgh with the police horses in front and the bearer party, the company of archers alongside and the king himself. the 21 gun salute is being fired from edinburgh castle. and some in the crowd applauding as the procession slowly enters the royal mile as the scottish parliament which the king will visit later to receive a message of condolence from its members. suddenly the events of the last few days have distilled into a scene of immense dignity and solemnity. as the coffin of her late majesty the queen is taken up the route that she knew so well ending at edinburgh castle. that has on the way up the high kirk of edinburgh were service honouring her life will begin at three o�*clock. it�*s obvious in this crowd that everything that has brought them here, the fascination, the wish to show respect, the emotion that they feel at the loss of the longest serving monarch, is all now brought together in the silence and the funereal pace of this procession. leaving everyone with an image that will not easily fade from their minds. when the king and the queen consort drove down this road and a half or so ago, there was quite a bit of smiling and waving. that has gone. this is now a procession of deep solemnity and remembrance. there will be many people here who have had an occasion on which they have spoken to the queen, or been at some formal occasion, and they will be remembering now what this meant, what it symbolised. as the procession moves up the royal mile, it will pass canongate kirk on the north side of the royal mile, which is the parish church of holyrood, in a way, and she was bill —— very familiar with it. and the reverend who was chaplain to the queen when she was at the palace, a beautiful old church, and among those buried in the graveyard is adam smith, the economist who statute is outside. it was also the scene of a royal wedding, the queen�*s granddaughter zara married mike tindall in 2011. it is a place very familiar to her. and the way in which the dignity, the quietness and the measured tread of the bearer party somehow communicate themselves to the crowd is fascinating and memorable. they have absorbed the atmosphere, the solemn atmosphere at this moment, and are deeply aware, one feels, of its significance. for the king and the queen�*s other children, despite all the preparations they will have made for this moment in their emotional selves and in physical ways, there is nothing quite like understanding what this means as they walk to a church for the service which will lead to a period of about 24 hours when the queen�*s coffin will lie in st giles�*. it will be open to people to come and pay their respects. and then, gradually, day by day, back to london, to westminster hall, to the lying in state, to westminster abbey, for the funeral service, and there out of london, to windsor. so this really is the beginning of that long procession which started with the transfer of the coffin from balmoral to edinburgh by road on sunday, and now takes on this funereal pace. there was a little bit of shouting somewhere in the crowd. but for the most part, it is quiet. and can template of. —— contemplative. flags flying on the royal mile, as they often do. it is a great tourist route. it is a series of streets steeped in history. these stones have stories to tell. in a few moments, they will pass the home ofjohn knox, that extraordinary 16th century figure whose statue we saw earlier in st giles�*, a looming figure, the standing statue outside the assembly hall where the scottish parliament first met in 1999. a deeply controversial figure, first met in 1999. a deeply controversialfigure, the first met in 1999. a deeply controversial figure, the voice of calvinism in the mid—16th century, and all the upheavals that led to the reformation. one of his homes was just up the hill there a little on the right, round the next corner. the old town of edinburgh is a place of great atmosphere. just passing canongate kirk now on the north side there. just hidden in the trees. {30d there. just hidden in the trees. god bless the queen! we _ there. just hidden in the trees. god bless the queen! we see _ there. just hidden in the trees. god bless the queen! we see the i there. just hidden in the trees. god bless the queen! we see the front | bless the queen! we see the front door of the — bless the queen! we see the front door of the church _ bless the queen! we see the front door of the church as _ bless the queen! we see the front door of the church as the - bless the queen! we see the front door of the church as the hearse i door of the church as the hearse passes it now. a flag flying at half mast outside. god bless the queen, someone calls from the crowd as the king walks past. this part of the city, the old city, which was built really round the castle, on the castle rock, which slopes down from the castle esplanade right down to the palace of holyroodhouse, is a place that has held onto its history, despite all the upheavals, many of them physical, that have taken away old buildings. there is something left here but remains and reverberates. —— that remains. the clip of these horses�* hooves on these cobbles, and the steps of the king and his brothers and sister behind. a deeply significant for the people here because they mark a passage in history of which this city has seen so many. from one reign to another, from one monarch to another, from a queen to a king. flags in the crowd, of course. union flags in the crowd, of course. union flags and scottish soul tyres. —— as we heard earlier from flags and scottish soul tyres. —— as we heard earlierfrom kirsty, there are many visitors here, always city thronged with visitors, and there will be many here from all parts of the world, some from the commonwealth who will feel a great closeness to this event. others who will simply watch in respectful astonishment, perhaps, at the depth and weight that is somehow evident in this solemn procession. when the procession reaches st giles�*, it will effectively be parliament square, the old parliament building of edinburgh, where the parliament sat until the act of union in 1707, and the mercat cross, which we saw yesterday, when the proclamation was made of the king�*s accession. with its heraldic symbols, its unicorn on the top. and its traditional place as the heart of the city, really, the heart of midlothian, which is traced out in cobbles on the pavementjust by the mercat cross. there is a tradition that people spit on it as they go past. the title of course of one of walter scott�*s great novels. and it was walter scott who rediscovered, really, the honours of scotland, the crown jewels which lie in really, the honours of scotland, the crownjewels which lie in edinburgh castle, which can be seen by the public. and the crown of scotland will be placed on the coffin when it reaches st giles�*, before the reverend callum mcleod conducts the service of thanksgiving. slowly, with great dignity, the hearse comes up the hill, and at each point, these crowds who have been waiting here for many hours can see for the first time the coffin carrying the late queen on the journey that will take her from this city back to london, to herfinal resting place. in windsor. after the service here, the king will return to the scottish parliament, down by the palace of holyroodhouse, where he will receive the condolences of the parliament. a parliament which, at its first meeting in 1999, after the referendums which gave birth to it a year earlier, was opened by her majesty the queen, and an utterly joyous day in this city. she came up this same route to the old assembly hall of the church of scotland at the top of the royal mile, and there, there was a very moving opening ceremony for the new parliament, with people of all parties sharing in the excitement of that day. at which the queen expressed deep feelings of happiness at a new chapter in history that might lie ahead. in st giles�* the first presiding officers of that parliament have taken their places. of parliament have taken their places. of course, she will meet the current presiding officer when she goes to the parliament later this afternoon. nicola sturgeon and other members of the government are in their places in st giles�* and predecessors. many people have reflected at how moving it is at a funeral service or at least at a thanksgiving service, as this is, clearly it is not part of the official funeral to see a procession on foot, walking slowly, steadily, in formation, procession on foot, walking slowly, steadily, information, each procession on foot, walking slowly, steadily, in formation, each of them with his or her own thoughts. about a history that is contained in that coffin. what it represents to them as individuals, as members of a family, and what it represents to the city, the country, the four nations of the united kingdom, and the united kingdom and everything far beyond, commonwealth territories, where the queen was either head of state or was maintaining a deep connection. they are about to passjohn knox�*s house, which i mentioned earlier. and once that milestone has been reached, st giles�* will be in sight, and the procession will be nearly home. at each point on the royal mile, you can see the crowds as the hearse reaches them. we fall into a serious mood of contemplation, respect, because they are touched by the knowledge that this is a sight which they won�*t see again. and in which is encompassed the whole story that stretches back in this city to the line of stuart kings. to the rather difficult and sometimes bloody people�*s of the 16th and 17th centuries into the 18th century but which as we have been hearing meant so much to the queen partly because of her sense of that history, its glory and its importance and also because of her own emotional attachment through family and through her own interests and emotions to this country. it is and emotions to this country. it is an affection which is shared in equal measure by the king. his devotion to the countryside around balmoral is a reflection of that of the queen which we have heard so much about in recent days. those who know him best say he is never happier than when he is in those hills fishing or indeed painting because he has painted hundreds of pictures of those scenes and they touch him very deeply. what are the thoughts in these crowds? some of them will have personal memories that will bubble up to the front of their mind today and in the days to come. others will be curious. perhaps visitors from abroad looking in on this with a kind of wonder. but for all of them there is a sense of the lasting significance of these scenes and the emotions that flow around this procession and will follow the coffin into st giles. and be present in the service that follows. in the way to st giles they will pass a crack commissioned by charles the first and of course at that time they had big religious arguments about the nature of post—reformation scotland and the nature of the church of scotland and arguments of a deep religious kind. one way and another probably spent 150 years unsettled, shall we say but now st giles acts as a centrifugal building in edinburgh. a place where some of the greats of the city, some of these great occasions are celebrated. it sits on this processional route which is quite naturally processional route, the courts ofjustice, the old parliament building and as you travel up it runs on an east west trajectory towards the castle. the street narrows in the long market and you feel that you�*re stepping backin and you feel that you�*re stepping back in time the old fortress that sits high on the city on its rock. an unmistakable outpost on its ramparts from where still at one o�*clock each day the gun sounds. you can check your watch by it. part of the scenery that gives the city its character. rooted notjust in its own past but in the past of scotland and all of its history and everything that has made it the place it is and its part in the history of the united kingdom. a link which for the queen was one she felt with great passion. and she understood its significance in history. the three lions of england alongside the lion rampant of scotland on the royal standard on the queen�*s coffin. the duke of york, the princess royal and the king side by side. the duke of wessex. the duke of york is also earl of inverness. soon they will come to the point at which the royal mile opens outjust opposite the city chambers of edinburgh, the seat of local government. we have seen the lord provost play his part in the lord provost play his part in the ceremonies today and senior members of the local council, the leaders of the various political groups were all at holyrood to greet the king. and now there�*s walking alongside the hearse can see st giles. it will draw up that the west door. in fact of the parliament house. coming through the streets which just a month ago were filled with festivalgoers. the city of festivals in the summer. when the city is such a place ofjoy and exuberance and noise. and you can hear the guns and the castle with their salute. the salute to the new king and the late queen. it is as if these streets are filled again as they always are during the festival weeks but for devey different purpose with a different demeanour. and with quite a different sound. voices are lowered and some heads are bowed. and there is in the streets of the scottish capital today and atmosphere of abiding respect and gratitude. as the funds sound from the ramparts of edinburgh castle but is the spirit of the proceedings this afternoon, it is a service of thanksgiving and reflection and that is the feeling of thanksgiving that the citizenry of edinburgh and those who have come from far and wide and abroad are representing today in these ancient streets as they stand quietly to watch the coffin bearing the late queen followed by the king, his sister and his brothers. as it moves towards the high kirk of the city of edinburgh. the king will burn military uniform, the uniform of the field marshal at all the formal ceremonies that will follow in the days leading up to the funeral. they arrive in parliament square. where st giles stands. they will swing to the west side of the church. and the bearer party will bear the queen in to st giles. at the west door the minister of st giles�* cathedral the reverend calum macleod has been here for eight years and has welcomed the royal family on many occasions to the cathedral. he will be there to greet the party. the dean of the chapel royal in scotland professor fergus. he is dean of the order of the thistle which is really the order of the garter in scotland. that is probably not the proper heraldic way of putting it but it is the senior order of chivalry in scotland and also present will be the moderator of the general assembly of the church in scotland. he preached at crathie kirkjust opposite balmoral not long ago and met the queen a short time ago and had no inkling that it would be the last encounter between them. the hells magnificent in their tunics beside the west door. —— heralds. great historical relevance in scotland. unicorn chris weidman of arms. , pursuivant. and the newly appointed lord chamberlain lord parker his previous role was as director general of the security service m15. the captain general of the royal company of archers whose man in the green uniforms who is also gold stick for scotland. and also the king of arms. doctorjoseph morrow, it was his voice that we heard yesterday delivering the proclamation. a solemn moment as her late majesty is carried into st giles�* cathedral, the high kirk of edinburgh. the route of the procession has opened up i think for anyone who has followed it up the royal mile. the history of the city, the history of kings and queen�*s of course, of religious people and political upheaval. also history of enlightenment as this is the city of the enlightenment. voltaire wants called it the most civilised city in europe. there is a statue of david hume the great philosopherjust up the street and you cannot go far in the street and you cannot go far in the city without coming across those great 18th—century figures. also the statue of adam smith. they all knew these streets as well as we do. fanfare plays. as the congregation has risen, the procession enters the church. the choir, singing samuel wesley�*s beautiful anthem, thou wilt keep him in perfect peace... we see there, the royal banner carried by the earl of dundee, and the nationalflag, the saltire. the coffin now being brought forward, up the steps and into the great cathedral. the coffin is followed by his majesty the king. with him the queen consort, camilla. andrew, duke of york and earl of inverness. edward and sophie, and countess of wessex, and sophie, and countess of wessex, and the princess royal, with her husband, vice admiral sir tim lawrence. the king comes to this ancient place today not as the head of the church of scotland but, as he has so often been, a worshipper in it, and like queen elizabeth, he has attended scotland�*s parish kirks all his life, from the smallest near his home in caithness in the far north to the great cathedrals like this one. he is comfortable expressing his faith through the scottish kirk�*s forms of worship, as his mother was. the coffin being lifted towards the catafalque specially crafted for the purpose. it was made at the workshop next to holyrood palace, and it is made of scottish oak, with a cross crafted into the wood on top. the royal party moving to take their seats. ina in a moment, the crown of scotland will be placed on the coffin by the duke of hamilton. he is being accompanied as he carries the crown by the carrick pursuivant and the rothesay herald. the crown is part of the honours of scotland which, along with the sceptre and the sword, are the oldest surviving royal regalia in the united kingdom. the steps being brought forward to allow the duke of hamilton to place the crown on the coffin. when they have taken their seats, the minister will call the people to worship, and the service will begin. i welcome all of you to st giles�* cathedral, the high kirk, this ancient parish church of edinburgh. welcome to all around the world who are watching this service being broadcast. here at saint giles, john knox confronted mary queen of scots. here, james the sixth argued about liturgy. here, oliver cromwell preached. here, parliament sometimes met. here, our late queen received the honours of scotland and the stone of destiny rested on its return to scotland. we are graced by the presence of the king and members of the royal family. present here are representatives of our nation�*s life. present here are people whose lives were touched by the queen in so many unforgettable ways. and so we gathered to bid scotland�*s farewell to our late monarch, whose life of service to the nation and the world we celebrate, and whose love for scotland was legendary. let us worship god. music plays # know that the lord is god indeed # without our aid he did us make # we are his folk, he doth us feed # and for his sheep he doth us take # 0 enter then his gates with praise # approach with joy his courts unto # praise, laud, and bless his name always # for it is seemly so to do. # for why? the lord our god is good # his mercy is for ever sure # his truth at all times firmly stood # and shall from age to age endure. # our help is in the name of the lord, who made heaven and earth the eternal god is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms god is our refuge and strength, a very present help in time of trouble. choir sings: "0 lord open thou our lips" eternal and ever—blessed god, receive us in your mercy, and grant us the comfort and peace of your holy spirit, throuthesus christ our lord. almighty and everlasting god, you send forth your spirit and we are created. you richly endow us each with gifts to bring blessing to ourselves and to others. you enrich the life of our communities and our world and at life�*s completion you rejoice to welcome us into your nearer presence. we gather at this time a sorrowing nation, yet remembering with gratitude the long life and reign of your servant elizabeth, our queen, and for the many gifts and graces with which you endowed her, for her faithfulness to the trust committed to her, and for all the benefits which through her you have conferred upon this people. high king of heaven, help us, by the faith in which she lived and died, and bring us with her when our days on earth are ended into your heavenly presence and glory, throuthesus christ our lord, amen. # chan fhaigh mi bas, ach maiream beo, is innseam oibrean dhe # throm—smachdaich dia mi, ach gu bas cha tug e thairis mi # o fosglaich dhomh gu farsaing reidh geatan an ionracais # is racham orrasan a—steach # iehobhah molaidh mis # seo doras dhe, air �*n teid a—steach na daoine coire naomh�* # sior mholam thu, oir chual�* thu mi, is turn mo shlainte chaomh after that haunting psalm, the first minister will read the first lesson. she is going to be accompanied from her seat across the aisle there from the prime minister, liz truss, by the prime minister, liz truss, by the beadle, who is leading her to the beadle, who is leading her to the table. the readings from ecclesiastes. for everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven, a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted, a time to kill, and a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build up, a time to weep, and a time to laugh, a time to mourn, and a time to dance, a time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones together, a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing, a time to seek, and a time to lose, a time to keep, and a time to throw away, a time to tear, and a time to sew, a time to keep silence, and a time to speak, a time to love, and a time to hate, a time for war, and a time for peace. what gain have the workers from their toil? i have seen the business that god has given to everyone to be busy with. he has made everything suitable for its time, moreover, he has put a sense of past and future into their minds, yet they cannot find out what god has done from the beginning to the end. i know that there is nothing better for them than to be happy and enjoy themselves as long as they live, moreover, it is god�*s gift that all should eat and drink and take pleasure in all their toil. i know that whatever god does endures forever, nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it, god has done this, so that all should stand in awe before him. that which is, already has been, that which is to be, already is, and god seeks out what has gone by. here ends the first lesson. # i love the lord, because he hath heard my voice and my supplications # because he hath inclined his ear unto me # therefore will i call upon him as long as i live # the sorrows of death compassed me # and the pains of hell gat hold upon me # i found trouble and sorrow # then called i upon the name of the lord # 0 lord, i beseech thee, deliver my soul # gracious is the lord, and righteous # yea, our god is merciful. # the lord preserveth the simple # i was brought low, and he helped me # return unto thy rest, 0 my soul # for the lord hath dealt bountifully with thee # for thou hast delivered my soul from death # mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling # i will walk before the lord in the land of the living # i believed, therefore have i spoken i was greatly afflicted # i said in my haste, "all men are liars" # what shall i render unto the lord for all his benefits toward me? # i will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the lord # i will pay my vows unto the lord now # in the presence of all his people # precious in the sight of the lord is the death of his saints. # 0 lord, truly i am thy servant, i am thy servant # and the son of thine handmaid, thou hast loosed my bonds # i will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving # and will call upon the name of the lord # i will pay my vows unto the lord now # in the presence of all his people # in the courts of the lord's house # in the midst of thee, 0 jerusalem # praise ye the lord. # a reading from the letter of st paul to the romans. i consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory about to be revealed to us. we know that all things work together for good for those who love god, who are called according to his purpose. what then are we to say about these things? if god is for us, who is against us? he who did not withhold his own son, but gave him up for all of us, will he not with him also give us everything else? who will bring any charge against god�*s elect? it is god who justifies. who is to condemn? it is christjesus, who died, yes, who was raised, who is at the right hand of god, who indeed intercedes for us. who will separate us from the love of christ? will hardship, or distress, or persecution, orfamine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? as it is written, "for your sake we are being killed all day long." no, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. for i am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of god in christjesus our lord. here ends the epistle. # the lord�*s my shepherd, i�*ll not want # he makes me down to lie in pastures green # he leadeth me the quiet waters by # my soul he doth restore again, and me to walk doth make # within the paths of righteousness, ev�*n for his own name�*s sake # yea, though i walk through death�*s dark vale # yet will i fear none ill # for thou art with me, and thy rod and staff me comfort still. # my table thou hast furnished in presence of my foes # my head thou dost with oil anoint, and my cup overflows. # goodness and mercy all my life shall surely follow me # and in god�*s house for evermore my dwelling—place shall be. # a reading from the gospel according to stjohn. do not let your hearts be troubled. believe in god, believe also in me. in my father�*s house there are many dwelling places. if it were not so, would i have told you that i go to prepare a place for you? and if i go and prepare a place for you, i will come again and will take you to myself, so that where i am, there you may be also. and you know the way to the place where i am going. jesus said to him, "i am the way, and the truth, and the life. no one comes to the father except through me. peace i leave with you; my peace i give to you. i do not give to you as the world gives. do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not let them be afraid." here ends the gospel. death has been overcome. these are the words of hope expressed and centred around jesus, who died and rose again. and this is clearly something her majesty queen elizabeth acknowledged and personally embraced. these last few days, as tributes to her majesty have poured in, and we have watched images of her on screen from her earlier years, capturing that remarkable life. yet now beginning to sink in that she is gone from us. gone home to express her own words. today we gather in this place of worship and throughout the nation to express our thanks to god for her majesty queen elizabeth�*s extraordinary life. we are united in sorrow at the death of our monarch. but we are also so aware that his majesty majesty king charles are not just grieving the loss of their queen, but their mother, grandmother and great grandmother too. her majesty queen elizabeth began her reign like king solomon, by asking for wisdom. reign like king solomon, by asking forwisdom. something reign like king solomon, by asking for wisdom. something that she demonstrated in large measure and to which was added duty, honour, commitment and faith. these are the words that we reach out for today to describe the life and the reign of queen elizabeth, whose passing is mourned not only in her native land, but across the commonwealth and the world, as has been so evident to us in these recent days. most of us cannot recall a time when she was not our monarch. committed to the role she assumed in 1952, upon the death of her beloved father, she has been a constant in all of our lives for over 70 years. she was determined to see her work as a form of service to others. and she maintained that steady course until the end of her life. people who were in her company always felt that they were being listened to carefully and with compassion. she possessed a sharp, intelligent mind with amazing recall. a kindly heart. and a gentle sense of humour. she understood the breadth of world affairs and also cared about what happened to all of her people. and although sometimes buffeted by events around her, she continually and resolutely and cheerfully fulfilled her responsibilities. and so said we give thanks not only for the length of her reign, but for the qualities she displayed so steadfastly. we recall also with gratitude the many who have supported her throughout her reign. we think especially of the duke of edinburgh, who stood faithfully beside her throughout their marriage, bringing his own energy and intellect to the service of the monarchy. much has been said about the queen�*s contribution to the life of the united kingdom and the life of the united kingdom and the commonwealth, which meant so much to her. but here in scotland we acknowledge with gratitude her deep links with our land and its people. her love of the balmoral estate is well known. and being there latterly brought her great comfort. there she was valued as a neighbour and a friend. and there she drew strength and refreshment during the summer months. she was active in the life of civic scotland, travelling across the country to support numerous causes, entertaining guests at holyrood palace and presiding at events, many of which took place in this church. here she received the scottish crown in 1953. an event vividly remembered in the painting by stanley cursitor. her link with the scottish churches were deep and lasting and she was the supreme governor of the church of england, but she worshipped in the church of scotland here in canon kirk and crathie kirk, where she took her pew every sunday morning. prevented latterly only by infirmity. she perceived little difficulty in belonging to do churches and appreciating the strength of each. it is clearly evident and without doubt that the queen�*s christian faith was genuine and often gave clear and sincere expression when there were those remarkable christmas broadcasts. she spoke unashamedly of her trust in god and the example and teaching ofjesus christ, whom she sought to follow as best she could. indeed, of that faith she said, she had no regret. herfocus on family, on community, on reaching across divisions and differences were evident to us throughout these short, yet meaningful festive messages. throughout these short, yet meaningfulfestive messages. for 70 meaningful festive messages. for 70 years meaningfulfestive messages. for 70 years she reigned as her queen. she has been present among us as a follower of christ and as a member of his church. and for that and much else beside, we give thanks to god together here this day. today, we mourn her passing. but we also celebrate the long and happy reign that we experienced with her. and we pray god�*s blessing monday king charles who will surely draw strength from his mother�*s example and the many tributes of these days and the many tributes of these days and from our assurance to him as a church of our steadfast prayers at all times, and of our unstinting support to him, as was offered to his mother the queen. # visi sunt oculis insipientium mori # insipientium mori # illi autem sunt in pace # sunt in pace let us pray. god of all grace, we thank you that you sent your son, jesus christ, to break the power of death and to bring life and immortality to light through the gospel. he shared our life, took upon himself our death, and opened the kingdom of heaven to all who trust in him. look not on us, but look on us as found in him, and bring us safely through judgment to the joy and peace of your presence. most gracious god, with all our hearts we thank you for the long life, the shining example, the steadfast commitment to duty, the strong faith, and the good humour of our wise and great queen. we thank you for the deep love she has inspired from all her subjects, for the myriad ways in which she met and welcomed people from all walks of life, for the diplomacy with which she resolved conflict, and for the stability she brought to her realms and to the commonwealth. for the life and example of our queen. with all our hearts i we give you thanks. for the king in the role he now assumes. grant your comfort and wisdom and blessing, 0 god. _ god of mercy, we pray your comfort to all members of the royal family in their time of grief and loss. enfold them in your love. we pray you uphold them in their sorrow and grant that they may be confident of your mercy and the promises made to us injesus christ our lord. lord in your mercy. hear our prayer. look with compassion, we pray you, upon the king as he assumes the office to which you have called him. endow him with that spirit with which you blessed and guided the queen these many years, that he may walk in the joy of your strength and be affirmed by the love of his people throughout this kingdom. lord in your mercy. hear our prayer. we pray for all in our nation that we may live according to the standards set by our beloved queen, that we may continually uphold in prayer our king as he seeks discernment and wisdom for his calling, and that together we may seekjustice and prosperity for all people in this land. lord in your mercy. hear our prayer. we pray for wisdom to become worthy stewards of your good gifts. give to us a constant concern for the earth and all its creatures, a spirit of understanding in our dealings with others, and keep the nations of our commonwealth united in bonds of cooperation and friendship. lord in your mercy. hear our prayer. almighty and everlasting god, from whose love nothing can separate us, we commend to your kindness one another here, and all people engulfed in sorrow of any kind. we pray for the peace of the world and forjust dealings between the nations. we pray for the hungry and the poor, for those displaced by conflict, for all who suffer hardship and do not enjoy the benefits which we have known in our day and generation. we pray together as our saviour taught us. our father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. give us this day our daily bread. and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. amen. # glory to god! # our living songs we raise with all your folk of every time and place # with saints both old and new we lift our praise # to fill with swelling sound this holy space # glory to god! # with thankful hearts we come # for all who loved and served your people here # for all who for the christ made room and home # theirfaith inspiring us to persevere # glory to god for years of service true # in church and home and in community # the acts of grace which brought your truth to view # the sacrifices that made others free # glory to god for challenges today # which call us forward into service new # which reawaken faith and deepen prayer # which lift our worship, and our song renew # glory to god! # let now our lives resound as we step # forward on the narrow road # may you, lord christ, ourjourneying surround # and bring us safely to our home in god. # # god save our gracious king # long live our noble king # god save the king # send him victorious # happy and glorious # long to reign over us # god save the king and now go out into the world and be of good _ and now go out into the world and be of tood . ., . and now go out into the world and be of tood ., ., ., of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, of good courage, render no-one evil for evil. but — of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, but hold _ of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, but hold fast _ of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, but hold fast to _ of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, but hold fast to the - of good courage, render no-one evil for evil, but hold fast to the good, i for evil, but hold fast to the good, honour all of god�*s children, love and serve the lord and the power of the spirit, and the grace of lord jesus christ, the love of god, and the fellowship of the holy spirit be with you and all you love this day, this night and even for evermore. the conclusion of the service of thanks giving for the life of the late queen elizabeth. a service of great power. a service of great dignity. great eloquence. with sublime music. up to and including the concluding organ voluntary, one of the great works ofjohan n sebastian bach. as the royal party leaving st giles�* cathedral, with the applause of crowd. many thousands of people, in sunshine on this afternoon in september, lining the royal mile. and what we heard there in a really effective, eloquent, and at times pointed homily from the minister, dr iain green shields, was a list of the qualities of late monarch. and praising the fact that the foundation of all of those values was her christian faith. and that this wasn�*t some kind of gesture that was limited to a place of worship on a sunday, but that she�*d put those intropractice, she tried to live a life of service, which is one of the enduring christian values and the minister really may praising her late majesty for putting into practice all the values that we are familiar hearing in various sermons in churches up and down the country, it was a a very moving service and helped of course by some uplifting hymns and the choir who really did sing beautifully some of the soloists too. robert lacy and katie are with me. katie, very much a service that reflected the queen�*s values and the queen�*s life? bird service that reflected the queen's values and the queen's life? and the queen's love — values and the queen's life? and the queen's love of _ values and the queen's life? and the queen's love of scotland _ values and the queen's life? and the queen's love of scotland and - values and the queen's life? and the queen's love of scotland and how- values and the queen's life? and the| queen's love of scotland and how her queen�*s love of scotland and how her faith was her inspiration and anchor and guidance. that came across. it was pointed, it was beautiful. it hit all the right notes. of course, it feels very different to what we are going to have later. as we were talking about, this wouldn�*t have happened had the queen not died at balmoral, so it cements that important link between scotland and the monarch. important link between scotland and the monarch-— the monarch. many people will have noticed that — the monarch. many people will have noticed that on _ the monarch. many people will have noticed that on the _ the monarch. many people will have noticed that on the coffin _ the monarch. many people will have noticed that on the coffin was i the monarch. many people will have noticed that on the coffin was the i noticed that on the coffin was the ancient crown of scotland. the oldest crown... _ ancient crown of scotland. the oldest crown... indeed. in i ancient crown of scotland. the i oldest crown... indeed. in britain. because the _ oldest crown... indeed. in britain. because the english _ oldest crown... indeed. in britain. because the english crown - oldest crown... indeed. in britain. because the english crown jewels | because the english crown jewels were destroyed by the revolutionaries. the scots were more canny— revolutionaries. the scots were more canny and _ revolutionaries. the scots were more canny and they hit their crown from oliver— canny and they hit their crown from oliver cromwell and as we saw and we heard _ oliver cromwell and as we saw and we heard she _ oliver cromwell and as we saw and we heard she was the head of church of england. _ heard she was the head of church of england, but she loved to worship in the church— england, but she loved to worship in the church of scotland. that will mean _ the church of scotland. that will mean a — the church of scotland. that will mean a lot — the church of scotland. that will mean a lot to people of a religious persuasion, — mean a lot to people of a religious persuasion, i think to everybody it persuasion, ! think to everybody it shows— persuasion, ! think to everybody it shows her— persuasion, i think to everybody it shows her inclusivity and the wideness of her embrace. she was not, to wideness of her embrace. she was not. to use — wideness of her embrace. she was not. to use a _ wideness of her embrace. she was not, to use a religious _ wideness of her embrace. she was not, to use a religious term, i wideness of her embrace. she was not, to use a religious term, tribal in the sense of her christianity? no, i mean the only book she ever endorsed _ no, i mean the only book she ever endorsed was a book about her called the servant _ endorsed was a book about her called the servant queen and the king she served _ the servant queen and the king she served. she said she maybe a monarch. _ served. she said she maybe a monarch, but there was a greater kin- monarch, but there was a greater king above — monarch, but there was a greater king above her, to whom she prayed every— king above her, to whom she prayed every day _ king above her, to whom she prayed eve da . �* . king above her, to whom she prayed eve da . �* , ., king above her, to whom she prayed eve da . �*, ., ., ,, every day. let's 'oin sarah smith who is at the — every day. let's join sarah smith who is at the foot _ every day. let's join sarah smith who is at the foot of _ every day. let's join sarah smith who is at the foot of the - every day. let's join sarah smith who is at the foot of the royal i who is at the foot of the royal mile. yes, iwant who is at the foot of the royal mile. yes, i want to tell you about what it�*s like being here outside the cathedral with the crowds here. and what was remarkable was the moment when the cortege appeared at the gates of holyroodhouse. a moment that was really quiet, almost silent, even though there are so many people here who weren�*t making a noise so you could hear the hooves of police horses on the cobbled street and everyone who has been waiting for hours knew exactly what they were expecting to see and yet they were expecting to see and yet the moment that the hearse appeared with the queen�*s coffin was actually quite a shock to see it in real life and see the king with his sister and his brothers walking behind it. and they were just a few feet from the people lining the length of the royal mile too see them. and i imagine many of them will have been considerably more touched by being part of this than maybe they had expected to be. because some of the ceremonial aspects have been planned in advance and rehearsed, what no one could anticipate what what the public response would be. and it has been amazing. we saw it the length of scotland yesterday and again in edinburgh today. so many people who have come out that they have become a central part of these proceedings, to see see all the people gathered there together and many of them who may have come to witness a bit of history to play their part in this historic event, are going to go away discovering it was a bit more emotional than maybe many of them had expected to be so close to all of this and will go away remembering this for a long time. sarah, thank you. sarah smith with a thought that my guests were certainly agreeing with. katie, of course when the day comes, robert too, one can never tell how the atmosphere will materialise, one can never tell how the crowd will respond. one can never tell what the feel will be. but today... it never tell what the feel will be. itut today- - -_ but today... it was a good indication? _ but today... it was a good indication? a _ but today... it was a good indication? a quiet - but today... it was a good | indication? a quiet dignity. but today... it was a good i indication? a quiet dignity. i think, because of the mood of the nation, people have come to pay their respects. we commented the sea of mobile phones, makes it difficult to applaud, but there was a round of applause as the king left after the service. yes, ithink applause as the king left after the service. yes, i think this will be a moment that anyone that was there will always remember. you mentioned how ou did will always remember. you mentioned how you did too. _ will always remember. you mentioned how you did too, it _ will always remember. you mentioned how you did too, it wouldn't _ will always remember. you mentioned how you did too, it wouldn't have i how you did too, it wouldn't have happened — how you did too, it wouldn't have happened otherwise, two for the price _ happened otherwise, two for the price of— happened otherwise, two for the price of one. sorry, that is a superficial— price of one. sorry, that is a superficial way of putting it. but it is wonderful another of her constituent kingdoms has had the chance _ constituent kingdoms has had the chance to — constituent kingdoms has had the chance to pay tribute and as sarah said, _ chance to pay tribute and as sarah said. the — chance to pay tribute and as sarah said, the church, yes, but the crowds — said, the church, yes, but the crowds outside, the silence, the respect, — crowds outside, the silence, the respect, the love. and this feeling that the _ respect, the love. and this feeling that the people of scotland have always _ that the people of scotland have always given of feeling the queen, half scottish anyway, is particular one of— half scottish anyway, is particular one of theirs.— half scottish anyway, is particular one of theirs. . . one of theirs. there were references made during — one of theirs. there were references made during the _ one of theirs. there were references made during the service _ one of theirs. there were references made during the service to - one of theirs. there were references made during the service to the i made during the service to the queen�*s father, king george the sixth and it has been said many times that in many ways, the reign that we have seen over the last 70 years was in fundamental characteristics a continuation of the reign of george vi. it is what he passed on to his daughter and she being a devoted daughter embraced his way of doing things. this again, the service, picked out those values and the values that he had demonstrated, which were values of service under duress, embracing an opportunity to do something when frankly that opportunity had not been foreseen and they were things that the queen herself demonstrated? yes, service that really was in the queen�*s dna. i remember one person saying you want to understand the queen, look to herfather and that is true. queen, look to her father and that is true. ., , ., �* ., ,, is true. the father you're talk about may — is true. the father you're talk about may be _ is true. the father you're talk about may be most _ is true. the father you're talk about may be most familiar. is true. the father you're talk| about may be most familiar to viewers — about may be most familiar to viewers there i the film the king's tea -- _ viewers there i the film the king's tea -- the — viewers there i the film the king's tea —— the king's speech. whose speech— tea —— the king's speech. whose speech impediment, the queen used to help. speech impediment, the queen used to help at— speech impediment, the queen used to help at the _ speech impediment, the queen used to help. at the beginning of the war he was so _ help. at the beginning of the war he was so worry about how he would speak— was so worry about how he would speak to — was so worry about how he would speak to the nation at this difficult _ speak to the nation at this difficult time and she was the one who, _ difficult time and she was the one who, through her own religious readings, — who, through her own religious readings, found a prayer, put your hand _ readings, found a prayer, put your hand in_ readings, found a prayer, put your hand in the — readings, found a prayer, put your hand in the hand of god, it would be a safer— hand in the hand of god, it would be a safer token to you than anything else _ a safer token to you than anything else yes. — a safer token to you than anything else. yes, and we have seen this carry— else. yes, and we have seen this carry right — else. yes, and we have seen this carry right on to the present day. we will— carry right on to the present day. we will be — carry right on to the present day. we will be back in a moment. now i would like to go back to the ca he cathedral and join kirsty. i�*m here as the crowd are spilling out of st giles�* cathedral, gordon brown, david steel and i stood and watched as the cortege passed and for a moment there were a few claps and few hoorays, then just the sound of two lead horses. as the coffin was carried in, the royal banner of scotland covering the coffin fluttered in the wind. one of most moving sights was to see the the crown of scotland, used in coronations of monarchs in scotland, remade for the coronation ofjames v in 1540 laid at the queen�*s head. the crown jewels in 1540 laid at the queen�*s head. the crownjewels and the crown placed at her head a signal of her duty and faith and the sound of singing that filled st giles�* as if people felt happiest expressing themselves in song. the queen was fund of scotland�*s first first minister, donald dewar. when he died in october 2000, she paid a tribute to him. i�*mjoined byjack mcconnell, also a former the first minister of scotland. it is an extraordinary sight in scotland, seeing all these people here? it is a mark of the _ seeing allthese people here? it 3 a mark of the respect that scotland had for the queen, as well as the love she had for scotland. it was a very fitting service. it was appropriate. it was filled with. .. it was wonderful... appropriate. it was filled with... it was wonderful. . ._ it was wonderful... there was a warmth and _ it was wonderful... there was a warmth and a _ it was wonderful... there was a warmth and a real— it was wonderful... there was a warmth and a real respect. i it was wonderful... there was a l warmth and a real respect. what it was wonderful... there was a i warmth and a real respect. what was our warmth and a real respect. what was your relationship, _ warmth and a real respect. what was your relationship, the _ warmth and a real respect. what was your relationship, the relationship i your relationship, the relationship with the first minister to the monarch?— with the first minister to the monarch? ., .,, ., , monarch? one of the most remarkable thint about monarch? one of the most remarkable thing about the — monarch? one of the most remarkable thing about the queen's _ monarch? one of the most remarkable thing about the queen's reign - monarch? one of the most remarkable thing about the queen's reign was i thing about the queen�*s reign was the a way she embraced change in the united kingdom and she was there at the first meeting of the scottish parliament and would come back and meet with first minister and try to understand the changes that were happening in the uk and that gave a real strength to the parliament in its early years. also a great strength to her in she could see the whole united kingdom for what it was. ,, . whole united kingdom for what it was, ,, ., ., whole united kingdom for what it was. ,, ., ., ., ., , was. she had that name, elizabeth queen of scots _ was. she had that name, elizabeth queen of scots that _ was. she had that name, elizabeth queen of scots that was _ was. she had that name, elizabeth queen of scots that was first i was. she had that name, elizabeth i queen of scots that was first spoken in the scottish parliament. hfert; in the scottish parliament. very move int in the scottish parliament. very move ing to _ in the scottish parliament. very move ing to see _ in the scottish parliament. very move ing to see the _ in the scottish parliament. very move ing to see the crown, i in the scottish parliament. very move ing to see the crown, a i in the scottish parliament. - move ing to see the crown, a real mark of respect.— mark of respect. you have a relationship _ mark of respect. you have a relationship with _ mark of respect. you have a relationship with the - mark of respect. you have a relationship with the now i mark of respect. you have a i relationship with the now charles iii. it relationship with the now charles iii. ., , .. ., iii. it it not 'ust the queen that has had iii. it it notjust the queen that has had the — iii. it it notjust the queen that has had the relationship i iii. it it notjust the queen that has had the relationship with i has had the relationship with scotland, prince charles, now king charles has had that relationship. it is fitting she has come from westminster to edinburgh and cardiff and belfast, showing that the whole united kingdom can come together in this moment and i think that will be a way of working, if you like, that he will want to continue. [30 a way of working, if you like, that he will want to continue.- he will want to continue. do you think he wru— he will want to continue. do you think he will be _ he will want to continue. do you think he will be a _ he will want to continue. do you think he will be a modernizing i think he will be a modernizing monarch? i think he will be a modernizing monarch?— think he will be a modernizing monarch? ~ , ., ., , ., monarch? i think he is already a modernizing _ monarch? i think he is already a modernizing monarch. - monarch? i think he is already a modernizing monarch. he i monarch? i think he is already a modernizing monarch. he and i monarch? i think he is already a i modernizing monarch. he and queen camilla are a different kind of country and a different kind of relationship with each other. change is upsetting but it be also a positive force for good and it will be interesting to see what he brings to the monarchy and what camilla brings to it by her side. jack mcconnell. _ brings to it by her side. jack mcconnell, thank _ brings to it by her side. jack mcconnell, thank you. i brings to it by her side. jack mcconnell, thank you. thank you. and to lord mcconnell, a fascinating talk about what the reign of charles bring. once again, we arejoined by the professor of modern history. thank you for staying with us, robert. can we talk about legacy and legacy in the context of the commonwealth, as we think about what queen elizabeth achieved and about what lord mcconnell talked of, the kind of things that charles iii may want to achieve. how do you see it? well, for the queen, the commonwealth was not a fashion, it was an article of faith, and it is easy to forget what a difficult balancing act she has had to observe, to work with. right from the very beginning, you know, much like it was serendipity that made her queen, it was very much that that mate ahead of the commonwealth, and it was a very difficult post imperial phase for britain. —— that made her head of the commonwealth. it is really interesting, in her christmas messages, she always retained the theme of reassuring the commonwealth that she was batting for them. and it isn't only about sentiment. consider her role behind in supporting the commonwealth over south africa and the ending of apartheid, and of course we find nelson mandela acknowledging this when she returns, after many decades, in 1995. incidentally, he is one of the few leaders who could refer to her as elizabeth. that mark of respect was notjust refer to her as elizabeth. that mark of respect was not just about the fact that she was a wonderful global messenger who worked, genuinely, for the good of all the constituent parts of the commonwealth, but also based in the hard reality of getting things done. and i think, you know, and like his mother, charles iii has had the luxury of a rather long apprenticeship, has he not? and he is in the very fortunate position that, in 2018, the commonwealth unanimously elected him to head the organisation. so he has the potential and the platform for change, and the directions in which he can try and influence this wider community can only benefit, you know, the wider community but also britain. let's not forget that we are in a post—brexit world, we need all the economic and political allies we can get.— all the economic and political allies we can get. robert, do you see charles _ allies we can get. robert, do you see charles iii _ allies we can get. robert, do you see charles iii as _ allies we can get. robert, do you see charles iii as being _ allies we can get. robert, do you see charles iii as being as - allies we can get. robert, do you | see charles iii as being as devoted and is energetically committed to sustaining the commonwealth as his late mother? i sustaining the commonwealth as his late mother?— late mother? i think absolutely! i'm not sure waiting _ late mother? i think absolutely! i'm not sure waiting a _ late mother? i think absolutely! i'm not sure waiting a long _ late mother? i think absolutely! i'm not sure waiting a long time - late mother? i think absolutely! i'm not sure waiting a long time to - not sure waiting a long time to become — not sure waiting a long time to become king is actually a luxury. it has been _ become king is actually a luxury. it has been rather difficult for him, and i_ has been rather difficult for him, and i think— has been rather difficult for him, and i think he has used that time creatively— and i think he has used that time creatively to identify causes that he can— creatively to identify causes that he can promote. he really got the royal— he can promote. he really got the royal family behind the need to help the planet, ecology, but you are quite _ the planet, ecology, but you are quite right— the planet, ecology, but you are quite right — the commonwealth is something — quite right — the commonwealth is something else that he did champion, reflected _ something else that he did champion, reflected by the fact that they chose — reflected by the fact that they chose him to be the next head of the commonwealth. that was not a given. the rules_ commonwealth. that was not a given. the rules of— commonwealth. that was not a given. the rules of the commonwealth state explicitly— the rules of the commonwealth state explicitly it is not a matter of succession... explicitly it is not a matter of succession. . ._ explicitly it is not a matter of succession... yes, some people thou . ht succession... yes, some people thought it _ succession... yes, some people thought it was... _ succession... yes, some people thought it was... all _ succession... yes, some people thought it was... all 55 - succession... yes, some people| thought it was... all 55 members have a vote. _ thought it was... all 55 members have a vote, and _ thought it was... all 55 members have a vote, and he _ thought it was... all 55 members have a vote, and he was - have a vote, and he was democratically elected. let's not forget _ democratically elected. let's not forget that he is also now head of state _ state of, what is it, 14 realms, as they are called? australia, new zealand. — they are called? australia, new zealand, canada, who specifically want him — for the moment at least — as head _ want him — for the moment at least — as head of— want him — for the moment at least — as head of state, although barbados has recently said, thank you very much, _ has recently said, thank you very much, we — has recently said, thank you very much, we do not want this system... and there _ much, we do not want this system... and there are — much, we do not want this system... and there are discussions elsewhere. thank you both very much for now. as we have been underlining here with my guests, we have witnessed many changes in the reign of the queen, certainly in scotland and elsewhere, and one of the biggest in scotland, wales and northern ireland was the introduction of devolved government, and it happened across the nations of the uk. and despite the fact that there were times when the queen went out of her way to underline that she very much considered herself to be the queen of the united kingdom, that was seen by some as a political intervention, what we can see is when the devolved administrations and parliaments opened, she embraced and parliaments opened, she embraced and endorsed those changes. before the opening of the scottish parliament, the queen came up in a carriage, up the royal mile. there were huge crowds all the way up the high street, and in the gardens, there was a great party going on, and shejust entered there was a great party going on, and she just entered in the spirit of the thing. her and she just entered in the spirit of the thing-— and she just entered in the spirit of the thin. ., ., ., of the thing. her whole demeanour was one of— of the thing. her whole demeanour was one of interest, _ of the thing. her whole demeanour was one of interest, engagement, | was one of interest, engagement, pleasure _ was one of interest, engagement, pleasure and enjoyment. i got the impression that she fully understood and acknowledged the wish of scotland to have its own parliament and considered her role as the _ parliament and considered her role as the monarch was to support and encourage — as the monarch was to support and encourage that young institution. | encourage that young institution. i have encourage that young institution. have trust encourage that young institution. i have trust in the good judgment of the scottish people. i have faith in your commitment to their service. and i am confident in the future of scotland. . and i am confident in the future of scotland. ,, ., , scotland. she realised the parliament _ scotland. she realised the parliament was _ scotland. she realised the parliament was going - scotland. she realised the parliament was going to i scotland. she realised the| parliament was going to be scotland. she realised the - parliament was going to be very different — parliament was going to be very different. for— parliament was going to be very different. for example, - parliament was going to be very different. for example, at the l different. for example, at the opening — different. for example, at the opening ceremony, _ different. for example, at the opening ceremony, we - different. for example, at the opening ceremony, we all. different. for example, at the i opening ceremony, we alljoined different. for example, at the - opening ceremony, we alljoined in the final— opening ceremony, we alljoined in the final verse,, _ opening ceremony, we alljoined in the final verse,, man—to—man, - opening ceremony, we alljoined in the final verse,, man—to—man, wel the finalverse,, man—to—man, we shall— the finalverse,, man—to—man, we shall all— the finalverse,, man—to—man, we shall all brothers— the finalverse,, man—to—man, we shall all brothers be... _ shall all brothers be... # has come _ shall all brothers be... # has come it - shall all brothers be... # has come it will- shall all brothers be... # has come it will for| shall all brothers be... - # has come it will for all... shall all brothers be... # has come it will for all... the son: # has come it will for all... the song was _ # has come it will for all... the song was robert _ # has come it will for all... iia: song was robert burns, a song that has resonated across the world because of the idea that you treat everyone equally, it doesn't matter whether they are a king or a commoner. i think a lot of people were offended by the choice, they thought it was rude to the queen. of course, her majesty had been consulted about the song, her knowledge of scottish song and music generally was wide, and she had approved. her majesty the queen was certainly mouthing the words, and i was told, although that i could not see it myself, that the duke of rothesay was singing along good style. it seemed to me then and it seems now a very good choice of song to launch parliament. applause when we reflect on the fact that, in scotland _ when we reflect on the fact that, in scotland as— when we reflect on the fact that, in scotland as in the rest of the uk, there _ scotland as in the rest of the uk, there is a — scotland as in the rest of the uk, there is a difference of opinion about— there is a difference of opinion about the institution of monarchy, but the _ about the institution of monarchy, but the queen managed to transcend that, and _ but the queen managed to transcend that, and of course she was present at all the key milestones of the parliament since then, so she became part of— parliament since then, so she became part of the parliament's story and journey~ — journey. the building of the new ioumey. — the building of the new parliament was controversial, hugely expensive, and too many people very contentious. but i do remember the queen, and i think this was a measure of her wisdom, her experience, garnered over the years, she understood how difficult this new building had been, and yet she saw that what mattered was the institution. that was what was going to develop and continue and grow. certainly, this new parliament building has had a difficult and controversial birth. but that is all the more reason to ensure that, with the more reason to ensure that, with the energy, flair and determination for which scots are renowned the world over, holyrood comes to be seen as a landmark of 21st century democracy. i think it was really appropriate that she was there at the 20th appropriate that she was there at the 20t . ,., , ., appropriate that she was there at the 20t . ,. , ., , the 20th anniversary, having been there at the _ the 20th anniversary, having been there at the opening _ the 20th anniversary, having been there at the opening in 1999. - the 20th anniversary, having been there at the opening in 1999. she| there at the opening in 1999. she has attended all of the new sessions after every— has attended all of the new sessions after every election, and she happening in scotland, very knowledgeable, and very informed. and quite _ knowledgeable, and very informed. and quite passionate about scotland. i and quite passionate about scotland. t have _ and quite passionate about scotland. i have spoken before of my deep and abiding affection for this wonderful country, and of the many happy memories prince philip and i always held of our time here. it is often said that it is the people that make a place, and there are few places where this is truer than in scotland. where this is truer than in scotland-— where this is truer than in scotland. . ,, ., scotland. looking back on it, i think the scotland. looking back on it, i thinkthe fact _ scotland. looking back on it, i think the fact that _ scotland. looking back on it, i think the fact that she - scotland. looking back on it, i think the fact that she made l scotland. looking back on it, i| think the fact that she made so scotland. looking back on it, i- think the fact that she made so many visits and _ think the fact that she made so many visits and treated _ think the fact that she made so many visits and treated it _ think the fact that she made so many visits and treated it seriously - visits and treated it seriously meant — visits and treated it seriously meant that _ visits and treated it seriously meant that the _ visits and treated it seriously meant that the whole - visits and treated it seriously meant that the whole publicl visits and treated it seriously - meant that the whole public treated it seriously, — meant that the whole public treated it seriously, that _ meant that the whole public treated it seriously, that the _ meant that the whole public treated it seriously, that the scottish - it seriously, that the scottish partiament— it seriously, that the scottish parliament really _ it seriously, that the scottish parliament really meant - it seriously, that the scottish - parliament really meant something. i think if— parliament really meant something. i think if she _ parliament really meant something. i think if she hadn't _ parliament really meant something. i think if she hadn't come, i— parliament really meant something. i think if she hadn't come, i think- parliament really meant something. i think if she hadn't come, i think it - think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't _ think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't have _ think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't have had _ think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't have had quite _ think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't have had quite the - think if she hadn't come, i think it wouldn't have had quite the same| wouldn't have had quite the same impact _ wouldn't have had quite the same impact that— wouldn't have had quite the same impact that it has hired _ wouldn't have had quite the same impact that it has hired ever- wouldn't have had quite the samel impact that it has hired ever since. your— impact that it has hired ever since. your majesty, _ your majesty, with us on every significant event of ourjourney, from all of us, we thank you. politics and beautiful music, a nice combination. my guests now, i am pleased to say, someone who can tell us quite a bit about the history of the scottish parliament, and before that he had a life as a liberal democrat mp, but former leader of the scottish lib dems, jim wallace as was, nice to see you, thank you very much for coming in. a really moving service today. i very much for coming in. a really moving service today.— very much for coming in. a really moving service today. i thought it was very powerful. _ moving service today. i thought it was very powerful. made - moving service today. i thought it. was very powerful. made powerful, and a big statement _ was very powerful. made powerful, and a big statement on _ was very powerful. made powerful, and a big statement on behalf- was very powerful. made powerful, and a big statement on behalf of. and a big statement on behalf of scotland, yes? i and a big statement on behalf of scotland. yes?— and a big statement on behalf of scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands _ scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands to _ scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands to it, _ scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands to it, and - scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands to it, and as - scotland, yes? i think it did, and so many strands to it, and as in. so many strands to it, and as in the earlier comments, the moderator captured in so many ways the virtues of the queen and made the point that she sought to follow the example of the teachings of the servant king. i think that made her an outstanding servant queen.— servant queen. given your long olitical servant queen. given your long political career _ servant queen. given your long political career and _ servant queen. given your long political career and the - servant queen. given your long political career and the senior. political career and the senior positions you have held, of course you have had lots of dealings with the queen, as with the former prince of wales, now king charles iii. could i ask you, when was the last time you saw her majesty? i could i ask you, when was the last time you saw her majesty?- could i ask you, when was the last time you saw her majesty? time you saw her ma'esty? i saw her three weeks _ time you saw her ma'esty? i saw her three weeks ago — time you saw her majesty? i saw her three weeks ago this _ time you saw her majesty? i saw her three weeks ago this past _ time you saw her majesty? i saw her three weeks ago this past weekend. | three weeks ago this past weekend. during my years as moderator of the general assembly, during my years as moderator of the generalassembly, it during my years as moderator of the general assembly, it was not possible to go to balmoral because of covid, and i was invited to preach at crathie three sundays ago, and the queen invited me to stay at balmoral. there was some trepidation, but her mind was sharp and she was so warm and did so much to make you feel comfortable and at ease.~ . to make you feel comfortable and at ease. ~ ., ., to make you feel comfortable and at ease, ~ ., ., ., , to make you feel comfortable and at ease. ~ ., ., ., , ., to make you feel comfortable and at ease. ~ ., ., ., ., , ease. what a remarkable thing to be able to say! — ease. what a remarkable thing to be able to say! absolutely, _ ease. what a remarkable thing to be able to say! absolutely, i _ ease. what a remarkable thing to be able to say! absolutely, i really - able to say! absolutely, i really appreciated _ able to say! absolutely, i really appreciated it, _ able to say! absolutely, i really appreciated it, it _ able to say! absolutely, i really appreciated it, it was _ able to say! absolutely, i really appreciated it, it was a - able to say! absolutely, i really i appreciated it, it was a privilege. you had good conversations, she was engaged, and despite the fact that we know she was having quite a lot of challenges, certainly physically. she was totally engaged. she didn't miss a beat in terms of her mind, the sharpness there, she was amusing, she was witty, you know, she was, you know, asking me about my own family and the fact that i had moved house!— my own family and the fact that i | had moved house!- yeah, my own family and the fact that i - had moved house!- yeah, very had moved house! really? yeah, very warm. had moved house! really? yeah, very warm- what — had moved house! really? yeah, very warm. what about _ had moved house! really? yeah, very warm. what about king _ had moved house! really? yeah, very warm. what about king charles - had moved house! really? yeah, very warm. what about king charles iii? i warm. what about king charles iii? given what you _ warm. what about king charles iii? given what you know _ warm. what about king charles iii? given what you know of _ warm. what about king charles iii? given what you know of him, - warm. what about king charles iii? given what you know of him, and l warm. what about king charles iii? i given what you know of him, and the way in which he, for decades, pursued his interest as prince of wales, and these interest extended way beyond wales and threw out the commonwealth, of course they did, what kind of king will he make? i think you will make an outstandingly good king. i think from what we have already seen, his address on friday evening was pitch perfect, and i think he draws all of that from his mother's example. and of course his relationship with scotland is very deep. he has been visiting scotland and balmoral since he was a child, in the same way as his mother was. and he has a castle which he took over after the queen mother died, dumfries house in ayrshire, which, with the help of his trust, he has managed to preserve and a listed building, and doing a lot for local employment, education and training opportunities. and you saw, in that footage, a regular attender at the openings of sessions of the scottish parliament, so certainly when i was acting first minister during the time of donald dewar�*s illness, after his surgery, i had an audience with him, and i have no reason to think other than that he has had audiences regularly with first ministers, and he always took a real interest. ., ., ., , ., interest. how important was it that the queen initially _ interest. how important was it that | the queen initially and now the king as he is, charles iii, how important in terms of democratic validity, especially in the early stages of devolution, that the queen and others were seen to be, if you like, approving or validating the existence of the institutions? what was your assessment of that? it was im ortant, was your assessment of that? it was important. david _ was your assessment of that? it was important, david steel— was your assessment of that? it was important, david steel made - was your assessment of that? it was important, david steel made that i important, david steel made that point very clearly, when it came to the opening of the parliament in 1999, well etched in my memory, the queen was there, and she did show that she supported this new institution, and she made, in his speech, the clip that you saw there, she talked about the trust in the good judgment of the scottish people. she talked about faith in the msps and their commitment to service, and her confidence in the future of the country. interestingly enough, when she came back to address the scottish parliament during her goldenjubilee, it was sitting in aberdeen, and she repeated that — she said, i said that back in 1999 and i say it again and reaffirm that trust, faith and confidence. as an msp, as a deputy first minister at the time, there were a few brickbats from the press and others, to hear the queen say that meant a lot to us, and interestingly, on friday, in the house of lords, jack mcconnell and i both picked up on the 2002 speech, because we both drew encouragement from that, and that was important. i'm afraid the clock is against us, but it is very kind of you. thank you very much. thanks to him for coming in. let's look at the sunny afternoon in edinburgh, late afternoon. there is the cathedral and the sun is starting to set. of course a huge crowd there still. one of big features is so many of the people who crowded into edinburgh will be looking for an opportunity to file through the cathedral, past the queen's coffin and show their own respect. martell maxwell is outside with some of the people now. yes, behind me is the front of the line of people, people who started their wait at 3am, or slept on bergs to be here. i'mjoined by wait at 3am, or slept on bergs to be here. i'm joined by two families, which really represent for me when i speak to people it is clear noo one will forget this day. the sun is still shining, will forget this day. the sun is stillshining, it will forget this day. the sun is still shining, it is an exceptional day and some are holding picture of fathers, or grandfathers who can't be here, but want to pray their respects, it is touching the feeling of togetherness. two families here, we have maddy and amelie and louise and annette, two mums and two daughters. what brought you here? tell me about yourjourney daughters. what brought you here? tell me about your journey and tell me about yourjourney and when did you decide you had to be here? on saturday we were on holiday in north wales and we had a chat and about 9 o'clock on saturday, we said, shall we take the girls to edinburgh? it is such a historic event. they will talk about it for the rest of their lives. to event. they will talk about it for the rest of their lives.— the rest of their lives. to be honest for— the rest of their lives. to be honest for me, it _ the rest of their lives. to be honest for me, it is - the rest of their lives. to be honest for me, it is the - the rest of their lives. to be - honest for me, it is the emotional connection — honest for me, it is the emotional connection. she has been our queen for such a long time, we felt like we needed — for such a long time, we felt like we needed to be here.— for such a long time, we felt like we needed to be here. there was no choice for you? _ choice for you? maddy, how old are ou? ~ ., choice for you? maddy, how old are ou? . ., ., , ., ., you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? — you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? it — you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? it means— you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? it means to _ you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? it means to me, - you? nine. what does it mean for you to be here? it means to me, the - to be here? it means to me, the queen— to be here? it means to me, the queen was— to be here? it means to me, the queen was our— to be here? it means to me, the queen was our queen _ to be here? it means to me, the queen was our queen for - to be here? it means to me, the queen was our queen for such . to be here? it means to me, the queen was our queen for such a| to be here? it means to me, the - queen was our queen for such a long time and _ queen was our queen for such a long time and she's— queen was our queen for such a long time and she's one _ queen was our queen for such a long time and she's one of— queen was our queen for such a long time and she's one of the _ time and she's one of the longest livinq _ time and she's one of the longest living monarchs— time and she's one of the longest living monarchs and _ time and she's one of the longest living monarchs and i— time and she's one of the longest living monarchs and i thought - time and she's one of the longest living monarchs and i thought it. living monarchs and i thought it would _ would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers _ would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers some — would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers. some people _ would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers. some people here - would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers. some people here are - would be nice to give her a bunch of flowers. some people here are not| flowers. some people here are not known _ flowers. some people here are not known... �* ., , flowers. some people here are not known... �* . , , flowers. some people here are not known... �* ., , , ., known... beautifully, sorry for cuttin: known... beautifully, sorry for cutting you — known... beautifully, sorry for cutting you off- _ known... beautifully, sorry for cutting you off. thank- cutting you off. thank you for joining me. martell, thank you. and thanks to the guests for the lovely contribution. scotland has said a formal goodbye to one monarch there is of course a warm welcome for the successor in charles iii who has spent decades working for good causes, including promoting the interests of young people through the princes trust, that started on a small scale and expanded to do remarkable work. and i'm joined by somebody who worked with him for the princes trust for a few years, grammy and brit award nominated musician, joan armatrading. nice to see you. musician, joan armatrading. nice to see ou. . see you. nice to see you as well, i started off. _ see you. nice to see you as well, i started off. sorry _ see you. nice to see you as well, i started off, sorry to _ see you. nice to see you as well, i started off, sorry to jump - see you. nice to see you as well, i started off, sorry to jump in, - see you. nice to see you as well, i started off, sorry tojump in, i- started off, sorry tojump in, i started off, sorry tojump in, i started off, sorry tojump in, i started off when i saw the then prince on the television before he started the prince's trust and he was talking to young black, asian, white, just minority groups on a fantastic level, i thought look at this guy, just because you're from a privileged background, doesn't mean you can't have compassion and i saw somebody who was caring for people. we had the announcement of the trust in 1982, i was asked to be part of trust and perform in one of concerts, the first fist kind of concerts, the first fist kind of concerts, they had a lot of different artists. from then on became an ambassador and now i'm a trustee of the trust. the prins prince when he was in charge of the trust was completely engaged with the youngsters that he was trying to help. and he did, with the help of other people of course, made a massive difference to lots and lots of young people. a million young people, many more around the world. and i have spoken to a lot of the young people and i can tell you, i have been told by them, if it wasn't for the trust, they wouldn't physically be here. it has provided opportunities _ physically be here. it has provided opportunities which _ physically be here. it has provided opportunities which have, - physically be here. it has provided opportunities which have, well- physically be here. it has provided. opportunities which have, well they have transformed people's lives? absolutely. fiend have transformed people's lives? absolutely-— have transformed people's lives? absolutely. and given them skills and all kinds of _ absolutely. and given them skills and all kinds of ability _ absolutely. and given them skills and all kinds of ability and - and all kinds of ability and opportunities they would never have had in a million years if it hadn't been there. you're talking of the early 805, that was a different world in many ways, but you recognised that he had spotted a gap and that he needed to create something which would provide a help and service that simply wasn't there at the time. and that's quite a big thing to say suspect it? it is at the time. and that's quite a big thing to say suspect it?— thing to say suspect it? it is -- isn't it? it _ thing to say suspect it? it is -- isn't it? it is _ thing to say suspect it? it is -- isn't it? it is and _ thing to say suspect it? it is -- isn't it? it is and sometimes i thing to say suspect it? it is --| isn't it? it is and sometimes you have people _ isn't it? it is and sometimes you have people who _ isn't it? it is and sometimes you have people who do _ isn't it? it is and sometimes you have people who do certain i isn't it? it is and sometimes you i have people who do certain things to be the figurehead and look at, aren't i wonderful? but that wasn't about that. this was a genuine, caring person who happened to help. and the ambition was to help and if you go back, because it started this trust in 76, it is now 2022, look, i mean, you don'tjust become a figurehead and just say, ok, you sort it out. he made sure that whoever he had around him to help with the progress he needed to have, he made sure they were doing the job that needed to be done to help the youngsters. so it is very, very, massively important charity was then, still is now. it massively important charity was then, still is now.— then, still is now. it is interesting _ then, still is now. it is interesting joan i then, still is now. it is interesting joan since | then, still is now. it is i interesting joan since the then, still is now. it is interesting joan since the events of last week, and obviously he has lost a mother and the millions of people who will be sympathising with that, and yet in his dealings with people in the streets, you have seen him have a bit of a joke with people and he is trying to engage with people. is that your experience of him? because let's face him for a lot of people he is quite a detached figure and there is no reason why they would be able to see that that is a side of his personality? absolutely. i have been — side of his personality? absolutely. i have been lucky _ side of his personality? absolutely. i have been lucky enough _ side of his personality? absolutely. i have been lucky enough to - side of his personality? absolutely. i have been lucky enough to meet i side of his personality? absolutely. i i have been lucky enough to meet the queen on occasions and she was a very warm, very approachable person. the king is the same. if you see the king you can go and talk to him. he is not, there is not a kind of, the way... attitude. and he is interested in things, people, places, as you know he is interested in the environment. he is interested in the environment. he is interested in all kinds of thing and he will want to talk to people, because it is the people who have the knowledge and he wants the knowledge. it is the knowledge that allowed him to have the big interests and to help other people. he wants to talk to people and he is very, you know... i think he is actually quite a humble person. i've seen him on stage with the prince's trust when they have been giving out awards and you almost feel as if they have to force him to stay on stage, because he is more interested in people knowing what the youngsters have done achieved and what can happen from the help of the trust. he is not interested in being there for them to say well done you, he wants you to say well done you, he wants you to say well done you, he wants you to say 5 well done, these people. thank you, joan. we can talk again in future about the way the prince's trust develops, because of course the management of that will change a bit. for now, it is great to have your experience. thank you. joan armatrading there. as lots people are still queueing to enter st giles' cathedral and file past the coffin, that will happen for the next hours. we can hear some personal memories of queen and joan's given us some already. but from some of the scots whose lives she touched on her many visits. well sport is in my blood from the beginning. i started from highland games. i wrestled beginning. i started from highland games. iwrestled in beginning. i started from highland games. i wrestled in highland games. in 2014, i was a small part of bringing the commonwealth games to glasgow. after that i received a wonderful letter, it said, the master of the household has received her majesty's command to invite you to a lunch to be given at buckingham palace. it turned out to be a very, very special day for me. it was only eight people from the whole of the uk were you know sitting on the table. they gave us the table. plan. i treasured that, because that is my proof, because there is no pictures of it. i was surprised, shocked, proud that she was, you know speaking to people like me. 1992 was the year when swri celebrated its 75th anniversary. and it was— celebrated its 75th anniversary. and it was decided to mark that occasion by making _ it was decided to mark that occasion by making a — it was decided to mark that occasion by making a banner and taking it around— by making a banner and taking it around all— by making a banner and taking it around all of scotland. we had asked the queen— around all of scotland. we had asked the queen if she would come and accept _ the queen if she would come and accept the — the queen if she would come and accept the banner in aberdeen. but the reply— accept the banner in aberdeen. but the reply we got was she would like to invite _ the reply we got was she would like to invite you, the office bearers, seven _ to invite you, the office bearers, seven of— to invite you, the office bearers, seven of us, _ to invite you, the office bearers, seven of us, to have tea with her at balmoral— seven of us, to have tea with her at balmoral castle. it was amazing! she could not have been more kind. she clearly— could not have been more kind. she clearly wanted to make everyone feel at home in— clearly wanted to make everyone feel at home in her home. in the middle of the _ at home in her home. in the middle of the room — at home in her home. in the middle of the room was a large round table eight _ of the room was a large round table eight was _ of the room was a large round table eight was laden with food — sandwiches, cake, biscuits, sausage rolls, _ sandwiches, cake, biscuits, sausage rolls. the _ sandwiches, cake, biscuits, sausage rolls, the lot. she picked up a large — rolls, the lot. she picked up a large plate of sandwiches and she brought _ large plate of sandwiches and she brought them over to me and i thought. — brought them over to me and i thought, the queen is handing me sandwiches, this can't be right! when _ sandwiches, this can't be right! when she — sandwiches, this can't be right! when she did eventually go off, she said, when she did eventually go off, she said. t'm _ when she did eventually go off, she said, i'm sorry ladies, go now, i have— said, i'm sorry ladies, go now, i have to— said, i'm sorry ladies, go now, i have to feed _ said, i'm sorry ladies, go now, i have to feed the corgis! and it was then that _ have to feed the corgis! and it was then that this photograph, taken outside — then that this photograph, taken outside the castle, was snapped by one of— outside the castle, was snapped by one of the — outside the castle, was snapped by one of the equerries. i have been privileged to meet the queen on a couple of occasions. i think my first meeting was at the holyrood garden party. i was quite overwhelmed by the occasion, sweaty palms, being nervous and all we were meeting was this lovely lady. i could have chatted all day. but they give you the nod that once she shakes your hand, that is your meeting over. and i was, no, no, not yet, your majesty, please, don't bring the hand up! i don't want to finish our conversation. i remember that day. her warmth. finish our conversation. i remember that day. herwarmth. hertime. just her knowledge and everything about her knowledge and everything about her was quite amazing. some moving contributions in that, people who have been touched over the years and people who have valued their interaction with her majesty. nice too hear from them. their interaction with her majesty. nice too hearfrom them. in their interaction with her majesty. nice too hear from them. in the studio, two new guests. mark leishman, the former private secretary to the now former prince of wales and dame laura lee, who charge of the the cancer charity maggie's. so much i would like to ask, but laura, we have focussed a bit on obviously the service, the queen and the new king. we have mentioned the queen consort a few times, but you know, in connection with the charity you know her. for those who don't know a lot about her work and are wonder what kind of queen consort she will be, what would you say? i queen consort she will be, what would you say?— queen consort she will be, what would you say? i first got to know her when she _ would you say? i first got to know her when she came _ would you say? i first got to know her when she came to _ would you say? i first got to know her when she came to edinburgh, | would you say? i first got to know i her when she came to edinburgh, so it was poignant seeing her today. she came for an informal visit to maggies to see what she could do to support us. what we saw in the service was talking of the queen's values and that is the values that the queen consort exhibits, one of generosity, kindness and humour. i have seen that time and time again over the many years, because she has visited 16 of our 24 centres and some more than once and does much more for maggies. haifa some more than once and does much more for maggies— more for maggies. how does she interact with _ more for maggies. how does she interact with people, _ more for maggies. how does she interact with people, does she i interact with people, does she put people at ease, how does she operate? people at ease, how does she o erate? , people at ease, how does she oerate? , ,, operate? help always puts people at ease. she wants to make _ operate? help always puts people at ease. she wants to make sure i ease. she wants to make sure everyone is relaxed, they have a cup of tea, that they're making themselves at home. she always makes sure to welcome anyone and everyone who comes into the centre who may not be part of the visitor, last year she came to our edinburgh centre, we were celebrating 25 years of maggies and someone came in for support and she could see she was distressed, went to speak her, come in for a good cry and said, you've come to the right place. she is open and generous with everyone and i have seen it time and time again. it is nice to hear, isn't it? you know them very well. today, the service today, the very strong scottish symbolism that we saw with the ancient crown, and of course the choice of some of the performances. that scottish bond, that scottish links, some people are saying it has been overdone in some ways? it is not, is it? been overdone in some ways? it is not. is it?— not, is it? absolutely not at all. after the best _ not, is it? absolutely not at all. after the best part _ not, is it? absolutely not at all. after the best part of— not, is it? absolutely not at all. after the best part of 50 i not, is it? absolutely not at all. after the best part of 50 years i not, is it? absolutely not at all. | after the best part of 50 years of close _ after the best part of 50 years of close observation, if i can put it like that, — close observation, if i can put it like that, of the then prince of wales— like that, of the then prince of wales and the duchess of cornwall, there _ wales and the duchess of cornwall, there is— wales and the duchess of cornwall, there is nothing superficial, absolutely nothing facile about any of it. absolutely nothing facile about any of it of _ absolutely nothing facile about any of it. of course, one of the things that people — of it. of course, one of the things that people may find it slightly difficult to get to grips to begin with is— difficult to get to grips to begin with is that incredible focus that we have — with is that incredible focus that we have been witnessing for the last, _ we have been witnessing for the last. well, — we have been witnessing for the last, well, gosh, since thursday afternoon — last, well, gosh, since thursday afternoon. but i think for anybody who has— afternoon. but i think for anybody who has met the couple or individuals, as individuals, they will very— individuals, as individuals, they will very quickly attest to the fact that that — will very quickly attest to the fact that that is heartfelt. and it is the same _ that that is heartfelt. and it is the same in wales, it is the same in the same in wales, it is the same in the regions — the same in wales, it is the same in the regions of england, it is the same _ the regions of england, it is the same in — the regions of england, it is the same in the different regions of scotland. — same in the different regions of scotland, and you could say it is in the blood — scotland, and you could say it is in the blood. well, actually it is, and that holds— the blood. well, actually it is, and that holds forth very strongly. can i ask ou that holds forth very strongly. can i ask you about — that holds forth very strongly. can i ask you about the way that the that holds forth very strongly. cag�*i i ask you about the way that the new king works, how he deals with the issues that he has been so interested in? the fact that he alluded to, and has done several times, the fact that clearly his role has changed and he can no longer engage in the ways that he once did, will not be a frustration for him, given the fact that he has been so committed and is clearly a great believer in the causes that he has supported? but great believer in the causes that he has supported?— has supported? but i think one way of lookin: has supported? but i think one way of looking at _ has supported? but i think one way of looking at that, _ has supported? but i think one way of looking at that, huw, _ has supported? but i think one way of looking at that, huw, is - has supported? but i think one way of looking at that, huw, is to i has supported? but i think one way of looking at that, huw, is to say i of looking at that, huw, is to say this has— of looking at that, huw, is to say this has been a very long preparation, and knowing that we were _ preparation, and knowing that we were going to get to the sad day, that thursday afternoon in balmoral, as he _ that thursday afternoon in balmoral, as he said _ that thursday afternoon in balmoral, as he said himself, actually, i think— as he said himself, actually, i think on— as he said himself, actually, i think on a _ as he said himself, actually, i think on a bbc documentary, i'm not stupid! _ think on a bbc documentary, i'm not stupid! and — think on a bbc documentary, i'm not stupid! and of course there is a point _ stupid! and of course there is a point here _ stupid! and of course there is a point here about continuity and about _ point here about continuity and about family, and it's still incredibly moving, i find, to go back— incredibly moving, i find, to go back to — incredibly moving, i find, to go back to those hours on thursday afternoon — back to those hours on thursday afternoon and to see her leaving through — afternoon and to see her leaving through the gates for the last time. and a _ through the gates for the last time. and a lot _ through the gates for the last time. and a lot of— through the gates for the last time. and a lot of people will know this in scotland, that there is a description of what we call a thin place. _ description of what we call a thin place, which is very often an association with the island of iona and the _ association with the island of iona and the development of christianity, and the development of christianity, and to— and the development of christianity, and to denotes a narrowing of this world, _ and to denotes a narrowing of this world, the — and to denotes a narrowing of this world, the gap between this world and the _ world, the gap between this world and the next, and i think it is fair to that _ and the next, and i think it is fair to that balmoral, deeside, lochnagar felt like _ to that balmoral, deeside, lochnagar felt like that, even at a distance. and therefore these things run deep. yes. and therefore these things run deep. yes 30_ and therefore these things run deep. yes. , and therefore these things run deep. yes, , ., and therefore these things run deep. yes. , ., . ., yes. so in terms of the prince of wales and _ yes. so in terms of the prince of wales and now _ yes. so in terms of the prince of wales and now king _ yes. so in terms of the prince of wales and now king charles iii, | yes. so in terms of the prince of i wales and now king charles iii, this role has _ wales and now king charles iii, this role has been a long time coming, and one _ role has been a long time coming, and one of— role has been a long time coming, and one of the things i was fortunate enough, as private secretary, to learn is that short—termism is out. there may be short—termism is out. there may be short term _ short—termism is out. there may be short term solutions to problems, but this— short term solutions to problems, but this is— short term solutions to problems, but this is the long term, and in today's~~ — but this is the long term, and in today's~~ it _ but this is the long term, and in today's... it is easy to be negative, _ today's... it is easy to be negative, but in today's generally quite _ negative, but in today's generally quite polarised and disputatious world, _ quite polarised and disputatious world, it — quite polarised and disputatious world, it is difficult to see the value — world, it is difficult to see the value in— world, it is difficult to see the value in what accounts for the longer— value in what accounts for the longer term. and in value in what accounts for the longerterm. and in my value in what accounts for the longer term. and in my opinion, value in what accounts for the longerterm. and in my opinion, i think— longerterm. and in my opinion, i think that — longerterm. and in my opinion, i think that the king will deliver all those _ think that the king will deliver all those things in a different way. yes, _ those things in a different way. yes. of— those things in a different way. yes, of course, he cannot continue the kind _ yes, of course, he cannot continue the kind of— yes, of course, he cannot continue the kind of work he has been doing in the _ the kind of work he has been doing in the way— the kind of work he has been doing in the way that he has been doing it, in the way that he has been doing it. but— in the way that he has been doing it. but i_ in the way that he has been doing it, but i remember somebody saying to me. _ it, but i remember somebody saying to me. you _ it, but i remember somebody saying to me, you do realise this is the first— to me, you do realise this is the first prince _ to me, you do realise this is the first prince of wales in history who was actually created a role for the heir to _ was actually created a role for the heir to the — was actually created a role for the heir to the throne? it would have been _ heir to the throne? it would have been easy— heir to the throne? it would have been easy to go back to gloucestershire be a farmer, fine, perfectly— gloucestershire be a farmer, fine, perfectly respectable, but all around — perfectly respectable, but all around the country, in scotland, for example. _ around the country, in scotland, for example, through the princes trust, we have _ example, through the princes trust, we have been hearing about, through the creation _ we have been hearing about, through the creation of the north highland initiative. — the creation of the north highland initiative, which supported 130 farmers— initiative, which supported 130 farmers in caithness and sutherland, producing _ farmers in caithness and sutherland, producing beef and lamb for uk markets, — producing beef and lamb for uk markets, otherwise just impossible, and earning — markets, otherwise just impossible, and earning some additional cash at the same _ and earning some additional cash at the same time, very practical curiosity _ the same time, very practical curiosity. there is a very heartfelt devotion — curiosity. there is a very heartfelt devotion to — curiosity. there is a very heartfelt devotion to trying to do something to contribute, but in a practical way. _ to contribute, but in a practical way, an— to contribute, but in a practical way, an everyday way. that to contribute, but in a practical way, an everyday way.- to contribute, but in a practical way, an everyday way. that is what ou see way, an everyday way. that is what you see in — way, an everyday way. that is what you see in the _ way, an everyday way. that is what you see in the team, _ way, an everyday way. that is what you see in the team, the _ way, an everyday way. that is what you see in the team, the queen i you see in the team, the queen consort embodies that commitment to serving others and helping others. it is a very constructive and good point to end on. the clock has beaten us, but fascinating to talk to you, to mark and laura. the doors of the cathedral are due to reopen shortly, and of course people are waiting patiently for their opportunity to file past the coffin in a slow, smooth, orderly way, which we will see, of course, later this week again at westminster hall in london. but this very solemn vigil and the filing past, is about to begin, and my colleague martel was with some of the people waiting. yes, that wait is almost finally over and stop for so many thousands of people, and i am right beside the front of the line, the people who started last night, or the early hours of this morning, i asked one lady what is meant to her, and she said very tearfully that it means absolutely everything. so many people have travelled from near and far, and i'm here with sue and john, who have come from cardiff. tell me why you had to be here, what the queen meant to you.— why you had to be here, what the queen meant to you. well, the queen came to the — queen meant to you. well, the queen came to the throne _ queen meant to you. well, the queen came to the throne seven _ queen meant to you. well, the queen came to the throne seven months i came to the throne seven months before _ came to the throne seven months before i_ came to the throne seven months before i was born, so she has always been _ before i was born, so she has always been a _ before i was born, so she has always been a constant in my life. i came from _ been a constant in my life. i came from a _ been a constant in my life. i came from a family of big, you know, monarchy— from a family of big, you know, monarchy supporters, and i have always— monarchy supporters, and i have always looked up to her, particularly for the way that she has expressed her christian faith in public, _ has expressed her christian faith in public, that— has expressed her christian faith in public, that means a lot to me, and i public, that means a lot to me, and l have _ public, that means a lot to me, and i have always been impressed with that by— i have always been impressed with that by the queen. and i have always been impressed with that by the queen.— i have always been impressed with that by the queen. and her faith and the strengths _ that by the queen. and her faith and the strengths she _ that by the queen. and her faith and the strengths she had, _ that by the queen. and her faith and the strengths she had, that - that by the queen. and her faith and the strengths she had, that seems i that by the queen. and her faith and| the strengths she had, that seems to have meant a great deal to you? yes. have meant a great deal to you? yes, i am a follower— have meant a great deal to you? yes, i am a follower of— have meant a great deal to you? yes, i am a follower of jesus _ have meant a great deal to you? yes, i am a follower ofjesus myself, and the fact— i am a follower ofjesus myself, and the fact that she would always make a point _ the fact that she would always make a point of— the fact that she would always make a point of talking about him at christmas _ a point of talking about him at christmas messages, i felt was brilliant, — christmas messages, i felt was brilliant, just a really great that the queen would do that.- brilliant, just a really great that the queen would do that. john, what does it mean — the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to _ the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to you _ the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to you to _ the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to you to be _ the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to you to be here i the queen would do that. john, what does it mean to you to be here in i does it mean to you to be here in edinburgh today? it is does it mean to you to be here in edinburgh today?— edinburgh today? it is a privilege that we did _ edinburgh today? it is a privilege that we did not _ edinburgh today? it is a privilege that we did not expect. - edinburgh today? it is a privilege that we did not expect. we i edinburgh today? it is a privilege that we did not expect. we were | edinburgh today? it is a privilege i that we did not expect. we were on holiday in the highlands, and we heard about the potential cues in london over the next few days, and we thought we should divert to edinburgh to get in the queue there, and here we are.— edinburgh to get in the queue there, and here we are. indeed you are, and did ou and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever— and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever get _ and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever get to _ and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever get to meet _ and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever get to meet the - and here we are. indeed you are, and did you ever get to meet the queen, | did you ever get to meet the queen, either of you?— either of you? yes, i did, actually, i was on a — either of you? yes, i did, actually, i was on a school _ either of you? yes, i did, actually, i was on a school trip _ either of you? yes, i did, actually, i was on a school trip with - either of you? yes, i did, actually, i was on a school trip with my i either of you? yes, i did, actually, i i was on a school trip with my young daughter, _ i was on a school trip with my young daughter, in— i was on a school trip with my young daughter, in cardiff, and i decided to dress— daughter, in cardiff, and i decided to dress in— daughter, in cardiff, and i decided to dress in red, from wales, it is a bil to dress in red, from wales, it is a big colour, — to dress in red, from wales, it is a big colour, and as she got out of the car, — big colour, and as she got out of the car, almost opposite us, really, i the car, almost opposite us, really, i almost _ the car, almost opposite us, really, i almost felt — the car, almost opposite us, really, i almost felt as though she was walking — i almost felt as though she was walking towards me. i don't know walking towards me. idon't know whether— walking towards me. i don't know whether it — walking towards me. i don't know whether it was the red, but she did, she came _ whether it was the red, but she did, she came over, she was absolutely lovely. _ she came over, she was absolutely lovely. her— she came over, she was absolutely lovely, her beaming smile, paying really— lovely, her beaming smile, paying really close attention to the children, who were quite overawed by seeing _ children, who were quite overawed by seeing the _ children, who were quite overawed by seeing the queen in real life. it seeing the queen in real life. seems to seeing the queen in real life. it seems to be a meeting no—one can forget. thank you so much for sharing your stories with us. i know how much this means to you. huw. martel thanks very much. and to the guest as well. we have had lots of special guest this afternoon, and now we have a super special guest, someone who can tell us about her experiences in dealing with the queen over the years, coming into contact, and that is the singer lulu. i have got to say, i nearly said the scottish singer... it is true! it is _ said the scottish singer... it is true! it is true, _ said the scottish singer... it is true! it is true, but _ said the scottish singer... it is true! it is true, but you i said the scottish singer... it is true! it is true, but you are - said the scottish singer... it is i true! it is true, but you are lulu, there are — true! it is true, but you are lulu, there are no _ true! it is true, but you are lulu, there are no other— true! it is true, but you are lulu, there are no other label- true! it is true, but you are lulu, there are no other label is - true! it is true, but you are lulu, l there are no other label is needed, lovely to see you! what did you make up—to—date's events in edinburgh? l up—to—date's events in edinburgh? i think that it was perfect. up-to-date's events in edinburgh? i think that it was perfect. -- - up-to-date's events in edinburgh? i think that it was perfect. -- what i think that it was perfect. -- what did ou think that it was perfect. -- what did you make _ think that it was perfect. -- what did you make of— think that it was perfect. -- what did you make of today's - think that it was perfect. -- what did you make of today's events. | think that it was perfect. -- what did you make of today's events. i have been trying to work, but every time i go to work, i have to go to the telly, and you are doing a marvellous job on the bbc, unbelievable, amazing. and my heart is heavy, and i cannot believe how perfectly everything has unfolded and how the queen has been represented. in fact, you know, i never hung out at balmoral with the queen, i have none of those cute stories, but i love everybody�*s stories, but i love everybody�*s stories, i love to hear that! like everybody else in this country, may be the world, who did not know the queen intimately, i met and i was always very respectful, i was afraid to be forward with her, you know? out of respect. so the stories i have heard, and the film, herfilm, has made me feel so close to her. i think it has all been so magical, and ifeel it think it has all been so magical, and i feel it is as if her energy still pervades us and is making this magicalfor still pervades us and is making this magical for us, still pervades us and is making this magicalfor us, because still pervades us and is making this magical for us, because we are heartbroken. i don't know any other queen, she has been the thread through my whole life, things change in life, things change quicker and quicker now, and she has been constant, steady, she has always been wise, and i think that sort of respect for her, you know, was howl was brought up. respect for her, you know, was how i was brought oo— respect for her, you know, was how i was brought up-_ respect for her, you know, was how i was brought lip-— was brought up. when did you first come face-to-face _ was brought up. when did you first come face-to-face with _ was brought up. when did you first come face-to-face with the - was brought up. when did you first| come face-to-face with the queen! come face—to—face with the queen! 0h, come face—to—face with the queen! oh, god, ithink come face—to—face with the queen! oh, god, i think i was 16! filth. come face-to-face with the queen! oh, god, | think l was 16!— oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were ou? i oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were you? i had — oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were you? i had this _ oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were you? i had this hairdo, _ oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were you? i had this hairdo, all- oh, god, ithink i was 16! 0h, were you? i had this hairdo, all about. you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair, you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair. and — you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair, and i _ you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair, and i was _ you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair, and i was trying - you? i had this hairdo, all about the hair, and i was trying to - you? i had this hairdo, all about| the hair, and i was trying to look royal, piles and piles! and shejust was... the great thing about her, every time i noticed, and it is the same with king charles, i noticed, all of the royals really, it is that they are so easy, they make you feel at ease. even though i was nervous, i can't remember what she said the first time, the third time i was with chaka khan and anastasia, and she said, are you girls going to keep working together? i said, i don't think so, and she laughed, there was a lot of ruffling feathers!— there was a lot of ruffling feathers! . , ,, ., there was a lot of ruffling feathers! ~ . , , ,, ., ., feathers! what is your impression of charles? what _ feathers! what is your impression of charles? what kind _ feathers! what is your impression of charles? what kind of _ feathers! what is your impression of charles? what kind of king - feathers! what is your impression of charles? what kind of king will- feathers! what is your impression of charles? what kind of king will he . charles? what kind of king will he be? , . . ., , , ., be? his curriculum, he has been at the university _ be? his curriculum, he has been at the university of— be? his curriculum, he has been at the university of life _ be? his curriculum, he has been at the university of life for _ be? his curriculum, he has been at the university of life for a - be? his curriculum, he has been at the university of life for a long - the university of life for a long time, and he has been studying her. closely. so i feel he is now, he has graduated, and it was apparent, when he came on to do his king's speech, he came on to do his king's speech, he was prince charles to me, and it was like alchemy — he was the king when he was speaking. his heart was so tender that we felt it, and you knew he had been crying, and everything he said was just on the money, and he was regal, so by the end of that, i thought, he has graduated. i mean, listen to me, and i love the queen consort, and i think she has been a tremendous support to him, as a woman, as an old woman, 73, you know, i look at relationships and i go hmm and study them all, and there have been some relationships in the royal family that we have looked at, but that relationship, i think, that we have looked at, but that relationship, ithink, is perfect, and the queen was... what was it? who was it that showed she was as sharp as a tack? a friend, i can't remember. she has always been sharp, curious, informed, wise, and when she initiated that camilla would be queen consort, that was such a, you know, from a business point of view, a great move. know, from a business point of view, a great move-— a great move. because she saw that would be the _ a great move. because she saw that would be the key, _ a great move. because she saw that would be the key, that _ a great move. because she saw that would be the key, that would - a great move. because she saw that would be the key, that would be - a great move. because she saw that would be the key, that would be the key to his success. i would be the key, that would be the key to his success.— key to his success. i don't care who ou are, key to his success. i don't care who you are. you _ key to his success. i don't care who you are. you need _ key to his success. i don't care who you are, you need support, - key to his success. i don't care who you are, you need support, king, i you are, you need support, king, queen, singer or whatever, what we all do in life — we need support, and i think that camilla, i mean, the queen consort, i have to get used to the different titles, but i think... i saw it during the queen's jubilee when he invited her onto the podium, and i saw her there, jubilee when he invited her onto the podium, and i saw herthere, and i thought, there is a shift, this is very heart—warming, and it is a sense, you get... and i think the whole country has got a sense. but wait a minute! whole country has got a sense. but waita minute! i didn't whole country has got a sense. but wait a minute! i didn't even know, huw, i didn't even know about this massive love affair with scotland. i knew some of it. but, i mean, again, i want to start crying, because it is so beautiful. and for us scots, you know, she is notjust elizabeth the great, she is elizabeth, queen of scots, and elizabeth, queen of hearts. i of scots, and elizabeth, queen of hearts. ., ., ., i. of scots, and elizabeth, queen of hearts. ., ., ., ., hearts. i have got to say, you have soken hearts. i have got to say, you have spoken really _ hearts. i have got to say, you have spoken really proudly _ hearts. i have got to say, you have spoken really proudly thought - spoken really proudly thought scotland, and i'm really grateful to you. thank you for coming. lovely to see you, our thanks to her. 50, throughout the day we've been hearing a lot about the affection her majesty held for scotland. and the country has had a profound impact on our new monarch, too, beginning in his teens when he left the familiar surroundings of london and windsor to attend school in the rather different landscape of north—east scotland. gordonstoun is in the north of scotland and remote from london and everything charles knew. she was a shy boy. very polite. not particularly confident. he himself said he wasn't happy at school. i think that was mainly in his first years really. but by the end he was a very successful boy. he had acted the lead in the school plays. he was captain of the school. he got that post on merit, not because of who he was. i think his love for scotland really stemmed from the holidays he had there at balmoral and from his close association with his grandmother. he loved her very much. and she loved him very much. i think that she did not let him forget that he was a quarter scottish. ianthem that she did not let him forget that he was a quarter scottish. when he comes u- he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to _ he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to scotland, _ he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to scotland, i _ he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to scotland, i think- he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to scotland, i think he i he was a quarter scottish. when he comes up to scotland, i think he is| comes up to scotland, i think he is probably— comes up to scotland, i think he is probably one of finest ambassadors for wearing the kilt and highland dress _ for wearing the kilt and highland dress and he wears it with a sense of pride _ dress and he wears it with a sense of pride and — dress and he wears it with a sense of pride and knows what it is about. he gets _ of pride and knows what it is about. he gets involved in the community, the culture — he gets involved in the community, the culture and the land of scotland. i think he is someone that has a great _ i think he is someone that has a great deal— i think he is someone that has a great deal of _ i think he is someone that has a great deal of enthusiasm - i think he is someone that has a great deal of enthusiasm for- i think he is someone that has a j great deal of enthusiasm for life i think he is someone that has a . great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland _ great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and — great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and it _ great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and it is _ great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and it is well— great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and it is well known - great deal of enthusiasm for life in scotland and it is well known that| scotland and it is well known that he spent — scotland and it is well known that he spent some _ scotland and it is well known that he spent some time _ scotland and it is well known that he spent some time on— scotland and it is well known that he spent some time on a - scotland and it is well known that he spent some time on a croft- scotland and it is well known that| he spent some time on a croft and scotland and it is well known that l he spent some time on a croft and i think— he spent some time on a croft and i think he _ he spent some time on a croft and i think he was— he spent some time on a croft and i think he was allowed _ he spent some time on a croft and i think he was allowed to _ he spent some time on a croft and i think he was allowed to be - he spent some time on a croft and i think he was allowed to he himself. to say— think he was allowed to he himself. to say he _ think he was allowed to he himself. to say he forgot _ think he was allowed to he himself. to say he forgot who _ think he was allowed to he himself. to say he forgot who he _ think he was allowed to he himself. to say he forgot who he was, - think he was allowed to he himself. to say he forgot who he was, that l think he was allowed to he himself. | to say he forgot who he was, that is not true. you couldn't pick him out from crofters working with sheep, potato planting. he was out on a boat. and between that, he was in and out of homes, meeting people. there is an area to the bottom of the island where he could go and perch on rocks and just draw what he saw ahead of him. you felt he had a kind of peace here. it wasjust wonderful to see. i kind of peace here. it was 'ust wonderful to semi kind of peace here. it was 'ust wonderful to see. wonderfulto see. i think being part of a community. — wonderfulto see. i think being part of a community, being _ wonderfulto see. i think being part of a community, being part - wonderfulto see. i think being part of a community, being part of- wonderfulto see. i think being part of a community, being part of the l of a community, being part of the land, _ of a community, being part of the land. that— of a community, being part of the land, that tranquility was something he can— land, that tranquility was something he can very— land, that tranquility was something he can very much equate to. and i think— he can very much equate to. and i think perhaps being in scotland gives— think perhaps being in scotland gives him the opportunity to express himself _ it was approached to take part in some _ it was approached to take part in some filming. _ it was approached to take part in some filming, that— it was approached to take part in some filming, that i— it was approached to take part in some filming, that i would - it was approached to take part in some filming, that i would act. it was approached to take part in - some filming, that i would act along with child _ some filming, that i would act along with child actors _ some filming, that i would act along with child actors to _ some filming, that i would act along with child actors to do _ some filming, that i would act along with child actors to do this _ with child actors to do this specific— with child actors to do this specific story, _ with child actors to do this specific story, the - with child actors to do this specific story, the old - with child actors to do this| specific story, the old man with child actors to do this i specific story, the old man of lochnagar— specific story, the old man of lochnagar and _ specific story, the old man of lochnagar and to _ specific story, the old man of lochnagar and to make - specific story, the old man of. lochnagar and to make scottish gaetio— lochnagar and to make scottish gaelic and — lochnagar and to make scottish gaelic and welsh _ lochnagar and to make scottish gaelic and welsh version - lochnagar and to make scottish gaelic and welsh version of- lochnagar and to make scottish. gaelic and welsh version of them lochnagar and to make scottish i gaelic and welsh version of them as welt _ speaking in gaelic. i was a clown! it is one of the — speaking in gaelic. i was a clown! it is one of the things _ speaking in gaelic. i was a clown! it is one of the things that _ speaking in gaelic. i was a clown! it is one of the things that the i it is one of the things that the duke — it is one of the things that the duke of— it is one of the things that the duke of rothesay commented on was when he _ duke of rothesay commented on was when he met the rest of cast what a frightful _ when he met the rest of cast what a frightful wig. when he met the rest of cast what a frightfulwig. i when he met the rest of cast what a frightful wig. i wasjust happy he recognised it was a wig! ijust remember being impressed with the pronunciation and his ability in the pronunciation and his ability in the language itself. ifi the pronunciation and his ability in the language itself.— the language itself. if i were to sum him up. — the language itself. if i were to sum him up. i _ the language itself. if i were to sum him up, i would _ the language itself. if i were to sum him up, i would say i the language itself. if i were to sum him up, i would say he i the language itself. if i were to sum him up, i would say he is| the language itself. if i were to| sum him up, i would say he is a traditionalist— sum him up, i would say he is a traditionalist and _ sum him up, i would say he is a traditionalist and he _ sum him up, i would say he is a traditionalist and he loves - sum him up, i would say he is a traditionalist and he loves the l sum him up, i would say he is a i traditionalist and he loves the past and appreciates _ traditionalist and he loves the past and appreciates scotland's - traditionalist and he loves the past and appreciates scotland's great . and appreciates scotland's great past, _ and appreciates scotland's great past, but — and appreciates scotland's great past, but he _ and appreciates scotland's great past. but he is— and appreciates scotland's great past, but he is unlike _ and appreciates scotland's great past, but he is unlike most i past, but he is unlike most traditionalists _ past, but he is unlike most traditionalists he _ past, but he is unlike most traditionalists he is - past, but he is unlike most traditionalists he is equally concerned _ traditionalists he is equally concerned about— traditionalists he is equally concerned about the - traditionalists he is equallyl concerned about the future. traditionalists he is equally- concerned about the future. one thing _ concerned about the future. one thing he — concerned about the future. one thing he will_ concerned about the future. one thing he will bring _ concerned about the future. one thing he will bring to— concerned about the future. one thing he will bring to the - concerned about the future. onej thing he will bring to the throne, which _ thing he will bring to the throne, which i _ thing he will bring to the throne, which i believe _ thing he will bring to the throne, which i believe none _ thing he will bring to the throne, which i believe none of- thing he will bring to the throne, which i believe none of his- which i believe none of his predecessors— which i believe none of his predecessors can - which i believe none of his predecessors can have i which i believe none of his- predecessors can have brought in which i believe none of his— predecessors can have brought in the past, _ predecessors can have brought in the past, is _ predecessors can have brought in the past, is a _ predecessors can have brought in the past, is a knowledge _ predecessors can have brought in the past, is a knowledge of— predecessors can have brought in the past, is a knowledge of the _ predecessors can have brought in the past, is a knowledge of the entire i past, is a knowledge of the entire country— past, is a knowledge of the entire country and — past, is a knowledge of the entire country and he _ past, is a knowledge of the entire country and he will _ past, is a knowledge of the entire country and he will have - past, is a knowledge of the entire country and he will have met i past, is a knowledge of the entire country and he will have met and | country and he will have met and talked _ country and he will have met and talked to — country and he will have met and talked to more _ country and he will have met and talked to more of— country and he will have met and talked to more of his _ country and he will have met and talked to more of his subjects i country and he will have met and i talked to more of his subjects than any previous — talked to more of his subjects than any previous monarch _ talked to more of his subjects than any previous monarch will - talked to more of his subjects than any previous monarch will ever- talked to more of his subjects than. any previous monarch will ever have been _ any previous monarch will ever have been able _ any previous monarch will ever have been able to— any previous monarch will ever have been able to do _ the prince, now charles iii, familiar with with st giles' cathedral. it is one of the prime landmarks in edinburgh. and represents a very important chunk of scottish history, religious history especially with the name ofjohn knox that resonates still today for those of us from a presbyterian background and recognise what the fight was about. st giles very in the van guard of the narrative of history in edinburgh and scotland. there you have the crowds of thousands of people already waiting patiently. you can see the little signs that have been put up. because there will of course overnight be a steady stream of people wanting to pay their respects and to show their affection and admiration for the queen after the longest reign in british history. that first filing past and observing the vigil happening at st giles' very shortly when the gates will be opened. martell is there with some more of the people. let'sjoin her now. as that moment approaches, the mood has changed. there has been such a sense of occasion and nervousness, now there is a sombre tone that has come in. somebody said to me they were nervous about this moment, approaching, because it it means so much. the stories i have heard have been unbelievable. so many people will carry this day forever. one of those people with a connection to the queen is jane. tell me why the queen is special to you? she the queen is jane. tell me why the queen is special to you?— queen is special to you? she has been there _ queen is special to you? she has been there all— queen is special to you? she has been there all my _ queen is special to you? she has been there all my life. _ queen is special to you? she has been there all my life. i - queen is special to you? she has been there all my life. i was i been there all my life. i was brought up in london and obviously being in london she was the major part of our lives, as was all the royal family. we visited obviously all the royal palaces, when we were children, and we were just brought up children, and we were just brought up with her. teiiii children, and we were 'ust brought up with her.— up with her. tell me about the coronation. — up with her. tell me about the coronation, you _ up with her. tell me about the coronation, you remember- up with her. tell me about the | coronation, you remember the coronation?— coronation, you remember the coronation? , , coronation? yes, i remember the coronation. _ coronation? yes, i remember the coronation. i— coronation? yes, i remember the coronation, i was _ coronation? yes, i remember the coronation, i was five _ coronation? yes, i remember the coronation, i was five years i coronation? yes, i remember the coronation, i was five years old. i coronation? yes, i remember the l coronation, i was five years old. my father, who was an ex—royal marine was companying for rank bush murphy in london and we couldn't afford a television and we went to the factory and watched it on there. that is an unbelievable story, you went to the factory and as you approach st giles�*, how do you think you may feel? approach st giles', how do you think you may feel?— you may feel? tearful. to me, it is like losing — you may feel? tearful. to me, it is like losing a _ you may feel? tearful. to me, it is like losing a member _ you may feel? tearful. to me, it is like losing a member of _ you may feel? tearful. to me, it is like losing a member of our - you may feel? tearful. to me, it is| like losing a member of our family. like losing a member of ourfamily. she was a very special lady and she had an aura that i don�*t think anybody else ever had. this had an aura that i don't think anybody else ever had. this is clearl a anybody else ever had. this is clearly a day _ anybody else ever had. this is clearly a day you _ anybody else ever had. this is clearly a day you will- anybody else ever had. this is clearly a day you will never i anybody else ever had. this is i clearly a day you will never forget? no, not at all, not at all. i just think, you know, god bless her and... hope the rest of the royal family can you know carry on and be her model. family can you know carry on and be her model-— her model. thank you so much for shannt her model. thank you so much for sharing us — her model. thank you so much for sharing us with, _ her model. thank you so much for sharing us with, jane. _ her model. thank you so much for sharing us with, jane. thank i her model. thank you so much for sharing us with, jane. thank you. | sharing us with, jane. thank you. thank you. jane representing a lot of people who have experienceped this mix of emotions, deep regret and sadness that the queen is no longer us with. but really a wish to celebrate as well, to celebrate the long reign and to celebrate all that she achieved in her very long life. so sit is a rich mix of emotions and we have be discussing this, katie and robert back with me now. with that in mind, both of you, just to share with viewers at this point the week ahead is likely to be a week where people will take a long time to even begin to forget what we are likely to see and of course in a week�*s time, a week today, we will have the spectacle of the state funeral for the queen. have the spectacle of the state funeralfor the queen. robert, we have not seen anything on this scale for decades and decades, yes, of course the queen mother�*s funeral was big and the princess of wales�* funeral, but this is of a different order. ,., , , funeral, but this is of a different order. , , ., funeral, but this is of a different order. ,, ., ., , funeral, but this is of a different order. ., ., , ., ., . funeral, but this is of a different order. ., ., , ., , order. the passing of any monarch is very moving- — order. the passing of any monarch is very moving- off _ order. the passing of any monarch is very moving. off camera _ order. the passing of any monarch is very moving. off camera you - order. the passing of any monarch is very moving. off camera you talked l very moving. off camera you talked of your— very moving. off camera you talked of your memories of the death of george _ of your memories of the death of george vi — of your memories of the death of george vi. i think we have seen today— george vi. i think we have seen today a — george vi. i think we have seen today a foretaste of what is to come. — today a foretaste of what is to come. not _ today a foretaste of what is to come, not to belittle what we have seen, _ come, not to belittle what we have seen. we _ come, not to belittle what we have seen, we have seen a nation paying tribute _ seen, we have seen a nation paying tribute. people still there in the streets. — tribute. people still there in the streets, we can see. this vigil tonight— streets, we can see. this vigil tonight will, with its poetry and its poignancy, i think this is going to capture — its poignancy, i think this is going to capture people's imaginations even _ to capture people's imaginations even more. going on through the night _ even more. going on through the night 24— even more. going on through the night. 24 hours. and then that is going _ night. 24 hours. and then that is going to — night. 24 hours. and then that is going to be — night. 24 hours. and then that is going to be repeated down in the historic— going to be repeated down in the historic setting of westminster halt _ historic setting of westminster hall. . historic setting of westminster hall. t , ., , , historic setting of westminster hall. t , , ., historic setting of westminster hall.t , , . historic setting of westminster hall. , , ., hall. when people see a vast crowd around westminster, _ hall. when people see a vast crowd around westminster, the _ hall. when people see a vast crowd around westminster, the banks i hall. when people see a vast crowd around westminster, the banks of i around westminster, the banks of thames, queueing for what could be 24 hours, foran thames, queueing for what could be 24 hours, for an opportunity, for a few seconds, to go through westminster hall and to pay their respects to the late queen, it is a sight that lots of people won�*t be prepare for, a lot of young people will never have seen anything like it. and then of course the scale of the state funeral itself, this week we have, starting with these impressive events in edinburgh, this week is going to be a week that is go a huge milestone in our history? i think we are all so grateful for what we have just seen, the service of thanks giving, i think that what is the queen would have wanted, we discussed how it was her wish to die at balmoral. but we can be grateful, because bit gives us a taste of what is to come. none of us have seen anything of this scale in our lifetime. it is perhaps going to ready us for the moment to come. i remember being down a couple of days ago when the new king came to buckingham palace and i was at the front of the crowd and they were 50 deep and i thought, my goodness, i hope london is ready for what is going to happen. i don�*t think any of us have seen anything like this. these things are etched in people�*s memories for as long as they live. robert, what does this present to the world about today�*s united kingdom? what does it say, the fact that these events are being held, the fact that people are so determined to play their part in them? . determined to play their part in them? t ., , them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems _ them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems to _ them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems to me _ them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems to me of _ them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems to me of the - them? well, for me, it reminds the world it seems to me of the british | world it seems to me of the british system _ world it seems to me of the british system. most of time, people judge us by— system. most of time, people judge us by our— system. most of time, people judge us by our prime ministers for good oar -- good — us by our prime ministers for good oar —— good or ill. those are the people _ oar —— good or ill. those are the people we — oar —— good or ill. those are the people we elect and argue about. the majesty— people we elect and argue about. the majesty of— people we elect and argue about. the majesty of the queen and all she stood _ majesty of the queen and all she stood for— majesty of the queen and all she stood for in human terns, her modesty— stood for in human terns, her modesty and her grandeur, that is britain _ modesty and her grandeur, that is britain. england, scotland, ireland, wales _ britain. england, scotland, ireland, wales that— britain. england, scotland, ireland, wales. that means... and that is what _ wales. that means... and that is what the — wales. that means... and that is what the world now is going to focus on. what the world now is going to focus on and _ what the world now is going to focus on and we — what the world now is going to focus on. and we have this system that is controversial to many people focussing on a possibly privileged family _ focussing on a possibly privileged family. but look at how people identify— family. but look at how people identify with the queen and now king charles_ identify with the queen and now king charles iii~ _ identify with the queen and now king charles iii. it is humanity and we are going — charles iii. it is humanity and we are going to see it unroll in human responses — are going to see it unroll in human responses. we are going to see it unroll in human responses-— responses. we will talk more. the palace of holyroodhouse - responses. we will talk more. the palace of holyroodhouse is - responses. we will talk more. the palace of holyroodhouse is the i palace of holyroodhouse is the official residence in scotland, but it was a great estate at balmoral, located between the deeside villages of braemar and balatar that was close to the queen�*s heart. she was a neighbour that the locals got to know very well. deeside is in a raritied position by the fact that the —— rarified by the fact that the royal family have made a home up here. for a lot of folk, they�*rejust a home up here. for a lot of folk, they�*re just neighbours. a home up here. for a lot of folk, they�*rejust neighbours. one a home up here. for a lot of folk, they�*re just neighbours. one of the things i have regularly done is play at crathie church and one of the notable parishioners would be the queen. one of the pieces i have played here is called balmoral. it is the same thing, the queen would have loved it, it is a beautiful place to find peace and quiet from the madness of the world. the church itself is situated _ the madness of the world. the church itself is situated on _ the madness of the world. the church itself is situated on the _ the madness of the world. the church itself is situated on the other - the madness of the world. the church itself is situated on the other side i itself is situated on the other side of the _ itself is situated on the other side of the dee — itself is situated on the other side of the dee from balmoral castle, but it is only— of the dee from balmoral castle, but it is only 400 yards from the gates of balmoral. her majesty the queen came here _ of balmoral. her majesty the queen came here all her life, since she was young _ came here all her life, since she was young. she did make it clear she felt at _ was young. she did make it clear she felt at home. when i came here first, the queen drove through the village to balmoral, and i remember great excitement and crowds of people lining both sides of the street. there was a greatjoyful atmosphere, because we knew that the queen was coming to be our next door neighbour for the following two or three months. we knew that she was enjoying our surroundings, that she was in our hills, walking on our parts, and when she was out in her land rover or out on some walks, she encountered some tourists or some villagers, she did take the time out to stop and have a little chat with them. to stop and have a little chat with them, ., to stop and have a little chat with them. ., _, , ., them. some of the encounters that she would have _ them. some of the encounters that she would have with _ them. some of the encounters that she would have with people - them. some of the encounters that she would have with people were . she would have with people were really _ she would have with people were really quite amusing in some ways, but also _ really quite amusing in some ways, but alsojust seemed really quite amusing in some ways, but also just seemed very normal. she took— but also just seemed very normal. she took a — but also just seemed very normal. she took a huge interest in the local— she took a huge interest in the local community and what was happening around the estate. braemar is trobabl happening around the estate. braemar is probably the — happening around the estate. braemar is probably the most _ happening around the estate. braemar is probably the most prestigious i is probably the most prestigious highland — is probably the most prestigious highland games _ is probably the most prestigious highland games in _ is probably the most prestigious highland games in the - is probably the most prestigious highland games in the world. it| is probably the most prestigious i highland games in the world. it is is probably the most prestigious i highland games in the world. [i is a highland games in the world. it is a tremendous — highland games in the world. it is a tremendous international _ highland games in the world.- tremendous international sportsday, when people from all over the world take part, dancing, heavyweight events, tug of war, in a very small arena in a small highland village. her majesty came with her mother and father as a young princess and continued ever since. i think partly because she enjoyed it, and partly because she enjoyed it, and partly because it gave support to the whole area. it because it gave support to the whole area. , ., ., ,, . ., area. it is one of the special moments — area. it is one of the special moments in _ area. it is one of the special moments in life _ area. it is one of the special moments in life that - area. it is one of the special moments in life that is i area. it is one of the special moments in life that is very| moments in life that is very difficult _ moments in life that is very difficult to explain, but the royal family— difficult to explain, but the royal family arrived at braemar every year at the _ family arrived at braemar every year at the dot _ family arrived at braemar every year at the dot of— family arrived at braemar every year at the dot of three o'clock. at about— at the dot of three o'clock. at about five _ at the dot of three o'clock. at about five or ten to three, it goes quiet. _ about five or ten to three, it goes quiet, putting up the hairs on the back— quiet, putting up the hairs on the back of— quiet, putting up the hairs on the back of your neck, but you are waiting — back of your neck, but you are waiting for— back of your neck, but you are waiting for the royal family, by way of tradition, to come through the gate _ of tradition, to come through the gate. 20,000 people get to their feet automatically when they see that big — feet automatically when they see that big car. her majesty did enjoy the dancing, she always had a happy smile on her face watching. she presented the shield for the best dancer, and i think she did remember quite a few people from previous performances. i think she enjoyed all the events when _ think she enjoyed all the events when i — think she enjoyed all the events when i was there, the caber tossing, the tug _ when i was there, the caber tossing, the tug of— when i was there, the caber tossing, the tug of war, the children's racing. — the tug of war, the children's racing, the sack race. but because the children— racing, the sack race. but because the children often fell over, there was a _ the children often fell over, there was a sense of hilarity in the royal enclosure — was a sense of hilarity in the royal enclosure. it always had a special feel to _ enclosure. it always had a special feel to it — enclosure. it always had a special feelto it it— enclosure. it always had a special feel to it. it is hard to describe, but you — feel to it. it is hard to describe, but you always tried to be your best at braemar— but you always tried to be your best at braemar in front of her majesty. the one thing that will stick in my mind is playing in this building, just finishing playing and giving the queen a nod at the end and getting a wee smile. getting that response from an audience is always an important thing, so getting it from the queen was just a nice little thing to remember for me, personally. i little thing to remember for me, personally-— little thing to remember for me, tersonall . ., ., ., , , , . personally. i had enormous respect for the queen's _ personally. i had enormous respect for the queen's position _ personally. i had enormous respect for the queen's position as - personally. i had enormous respect for the queen's position as the i for the queen�*s position as the monarch, but she was also somebody that i had huge respect for as an individual, as well as being the queen, she was a local and had a real interest in her culture and people, and i know that she will be missed in a very specific way around here. such a nice mix of voices there and a real sense of what it meant to have the queen as a neighbour, somebody who was worshipping in the church, ijust thought somebody who was worshipping in the church, i just thought that was a lovely sense of the community and the way that they have interacted with the queen over the years. now, this afternoon began in ceremonial terms at the palace of holyroodhouse with what we call the, that is where the monarch is presented with the keys to the city. —— the ceremony of the keys. the major general who escorted the king around the palace forecourt and really completed the ceremony with him has been talking to sarah smith. i ceremony with him has been talking to sarah smith.— ceremony with him has been talking to sarah smith. i am here with ma'or general to sarah smith. i am here with ma'or etherai hiu — to sarah smith. i am here with ma'or general bill wright, i to sarah smith. i am here with ma'or general bill wright, the i to sarah smith. i am here with ma'or general bill wright, the most i to sarah smith. i am here with major general bill wright, the most senior| general bill wright, the most senior army officer in scotland, and in that role you were taking the king to inspect the guard. it that role you were taking the king to inspect the guard.— that role you were taking the king to inspect the guard. it was, it was a real honour. _ to inspect the guard. it was, it was a real honour, but _ to inspect the guard. it was, it was a real honour, but the _ to inspect the guard. it was, it was a real honour, but the importance | to inspect the guard. it was, it was i a real honour, but the importance of the british_ a real honour, but the importance of the british armed forces in scotland playing _ the british armed forces in scotland playing a _ the british armed forces in scotland playing a part in the arrival of our new king~ — playing a part in the arrival of our new king. but playing a part in the arrival of our newkinu.�* ,, , playing a part in the arrival of our newkinu.�* , , ., playing a part in the arrival of our newkinu. n, ., , new king. but because of course an bod new king. but because of course anybody serving _ new king. but because of course anybody serving has _ new king. but because of course anybody serving has known - new king. but because of course i anybody serving has known through their career the queen as the figurehead of the military, and now they have to adjust to the new king. it is a shock, like to the rest of the country, and a real change, but we are _ the country, and a real change, but we are blessed with having a royal faniily. _ we are blessed with having a royal family, and the king and queen consort, — family, and the king and queen consort, who are really close to the armed _ consort, who are really close to the armed forces, all three services, that transition, i think will be smooth _ that transition, i think will be smooth. , ., ., ~' that transition, i think will be smooth. , ., ., ~ smooth. yes, how do you think your officers who — smooth. yes, how do you think your officers who were _ smooth. yes, how do you think your officers who were there _ smooth. yes, how do you think your officers who were there today, - officers who were there today, seeing the new king inspecting them, feel about that transition? it must be peculiar. it feel about that transition? it must be peculiar-— be peculiar. it is, i have been talkin: be peculiar. it is, i have been talking to _ be peculiar. it is, i have been talking to the _ be peculiar. it is, i have been talking to the offices - be peculiar. it is, i have been talking to the offices and - be peculiar. it is, i have been talking to the offices and lots i be peculiar. it is, i have been i talking to the offices and lots of soldiers — talking to the offices and lots of soldiers on parade, and i think we have _ soldiers on parade, and i think we have this — soldiers on parade, and i think we have this feeling of great sadness, of the _ have this feeling of great sadness, of the loss— have this feeling of great sadness, of the loss of the queen, but hugely honoured _ of the loss of the queen, but hugely honoured to be part of what is going on here _ honoured to be part of what is going on here and — honoured to be part of what is going on here and these historic events, and again— on here and these historic events, and again quite excited about the future _ and again quite excited about the future and what this new era it looks — future and what this new era it looks like _ future and what this new era it looks like-— future and what this new era it looks like. , ., ., , ., looks like. yes, and of course that is very much _ looks like. yes, and of course that is very much what _ looks like. yes, and of course that is very much what today _ looks like. yes, and of course that is very much what today is - looks like. yes, and of course that is very much what today is about, | is very much what today is about, saying goodbye to the queen, but welcoming the new king. thank you very much forjoining us, major general bill wright. the very much forjoining us, ma'or general bill wright. the general office in scotland _ general bill wright. the general office in scotland talking - general bill wright. the general office in scotland talking to - general bill wright. the general. office in scotland talking to sarah earlier. robert and katie are still with me, and as we near the end of the broadcast, we are looking ahead to this motion of condolence to be presented by the scottish parliament to the new king. of course, we saw the events at westminster this morning, when there were presentations from the speaker of the house of commons and the lord's speaker. this will obviously be in a slightly different format, but the principle is the same. and again we are looking again at the king being seen to be right at the heart of the scottish establishment, because that is what we are talking about now in terms of the scottish parliament. now, half a century ago, robert, that would have been unthinkable in this form — it is quite useful on a day like today to remind people of the enormous changes that we have seen over the last 30 years. yes. the enormous changes that we have seen over the last 30 years. yes, as we were saying _ seen over the last 30 years. yes, as we were saying earlier, _ seen over the last 30 years. yes, as we were saying earlier, the - seen over the last 30 years. yes, as we were saying earlier, the scottish | we were saying earlier, the scottish parlianrent— we were saying earlier, the scottish parliament is a very ancient institution that went into total abeyance with the union which rather obliterated scottish identity. it came _ obliterated scottish identity. it came back in the 1990s, and many people _ came back in the 1990s, and many people saw— came back in the 1990s, and many people saw it, and it was a symbol of scotland — people saw it, and it was a symbol of scotland is becoming more independent, breaking away from the union _ independent, breaking away from the union but— independent, breaking away from the union. but here tonight, we are seeing — union. but here tonight, we are seeing this— union. but here tonight, we are seeing this independent body turning to the _ seeing this independent body turning to the old _ seeing this independent body turning to the old certainties. now prince charles, — to the old certainties. now prince charles, king charles, it is not old certainties. — charles, king charles, it is not old certainties, but it is plugging back into the _ certainties, but it is plugging back into the united kingdom system, and ithink— into the united kingdom system, and i think there are political repercussions here that are not for we to— repercussions here that are not for we to speculate on, but i think we can look— we to speculate on, but i think we can look forward, maybe not look forward _ can look forward, maybe not look forward to — can look forward, maybe not look forward to but certainly anticipate, and a _ forward to but certainly anticipate, and a lot _ forward to but certainly anticipate, and a lot of— forward to but certainly anticipate, and a lot of deep meanings here. what _ and a lot of deep meanings here. what is _ and a lot of deep meanings here. what is your thought on this, the fact that the scottish parliament is in full formality, presenting its own motion of condolence? i in full formality, presenting its own motion of condolence? i think it is very significant, _ own motion of condolence? i think it is very significant, and _ own motion of condolence? i think it is very significant, and it _ own motion of condolence? i think it is very significant, and it enables - is very significant, and it enables the king to forge connections here that his mother had when she opened up that his mother had when she opened up the scottish assembly, which he will do as well, he will address that session when it opens, that will be part of his constitutional role, so this lays down the foundations. and judging on the reception that he got at the houses of parliament earlier today, i think is going to get some really warm reception this afternoon, without a doubt. ~ , ., doubt. well, we will see in a few minutes, doubt. well, we will see in a few minutes. and — doubt. well, we will see in a few minutes, and i— doubt. well, we will see in a few minutes, and i suspect - doubt. well, we will see in a few minutes, and i suspect you're i minutes, and i suspect you're absolutely right, thank you both very much for now. we are waiting for that presentation of the motion of condolence. and while we do that, we are going to reflect with someone who was fortunate enough to have known her majesty well. we have spoken to quite a few already, but we have also enlisted the help of our next guest, who has been talking to us about former experiences, the former world championship racing driverjackie stewart, who has his own fond memories, he had his wife have a wealth of warm and affectionate stories, let's listen. the first time i ever got anywhere close to the queen was reeling because of the princess royal. she had won the sportswoman of the year to the same year as i had won the sportsman of the year, and it was through that introduction that i was able to have the privilege of meeting her majesty. the queen by far was the most impressive woman i have ever met. i hate to think the number of officials engagements her majesty had, and she never looked tired, she never was short with anybody. this is a lovely picture. her majesty and helen in the car going to the church at sandringham. she had the most fantastic smile and a wonderful sense of humour that broke down a lot of the nervousness of an official engagement. i never forget being at buckingham palace one year where they had collected 400 of what they thought were the leading people in britain, british people. and when she came along, there was a wonderful woman from manchester who had raised £1 million for a very good charity, and here was i, the next one up. and she had been speaking to this other lady and congratulating her, and she looked at me, and she said, what are you doing here?! and she walked on! and i am busy doing the right thing, dipping my head and so forth, but i nearly, you know, broke out laughing, what are you doing here?! the queen had to be the queen at official engagements, but when something came along with a little humour in it, i mean, she was the first to break down into a great smile, and there was no smile nicer. the queen was an excellent driver. even in her mature years, we were going out one night from sandringham, and we were going to drive on a bad night, and it was winter, and here was i, i had just finished my three world championships and so forth, and i'm thinking, the road conditions are pretty bad. i said, would you like me to drive, ma'am? certainly not! you can navigate, i was slightly taken aback, but it was absolutely the queen. i don't think enough people got the privilege of seeing her terrific humour and her passion for her horses and her dogs. and her home. and i wasjust very for her horses and her dogs. and her home. and i was just very privileged to have a wee look, a wee part of that, because the light of the queen, i don't think, will ever be seen again. queen, i don't think, will ever be seen again-— queen, i don't think, will ever be seen again. jackie stewart with his ve fond seen again. jackie stewart with his very fond memories. _ seen again. jackie stewart with his very fond memories. straight - seen again. jackie stewart with his very fond memories. straight to i seen again. jackie stewart with his. very fond memories. straight to the scottish parliament building, the king hasjust scottish parliament building, the king has just arrived, scottish parliament building, the king hasjust arrived, the queen consort too, being presented to first minister nicola sturgeon and other senior members of the scottish parliament, and james naughtie is going to guide us through this next section. the king has just section. the king hasjust met nicola sturgeon, the leaders of all the parties are lined up, douglas ross, the leader of the scottish conservative party, shaking the king's hand, the labour leader, anas sarwar, the leader of the screens, in coalition with the snp to make a majority in the scottish parliament, and the leader of the scottish liberal democrats. the king and green concert have already met the presiding officer, and they are accompanied by the lord lieutenant. —— the king and queen consort. he is now wearing his kilt, which, as we heard in that beautiful film from deeside, it is garbine which he feels exceedingly comfortable and at home, and does not only wear it on formal occasions. he has a fairly wide array of tart ands as well. —— tartans. the members of the scottish parliament. the former presiding officer there lined up in grand array. some familiarfaces. there are guests here too, thejudiciary and organisations with a role in scottish life. joining the msps, 129 of them. a modern parliament. this extraordinary building that the architect envisaged as one that sprang out of land, it is very modern. sprang out of land, it is very modem. the queen opened it in 200a. she inaugurated the parliament its, the first since 1707, five years old in 1999. this building which i may say is very comfortable inside, the msps enjoy working in it, it has the feeling of being in the belly of a ship, there is so much wood. the outside very modern design. a feeling that picks up the great salisbury crags around it. the architect died before the building was completed. the royal archers on hand as they have been throughout this day. the condolences of the parliament will be given in a ceremony, not unlike the one we saw in westminster hall this morning when both houses met to give the king condolences to which he replied. a very similar ceremony will take place here. heard at westminster. again, the atmosphere, despite the occasion, lifts a little. after the quietness and the great dignity of that procession to st giles' where the queen's coffin still lies. there is a definite lifting of the mood, despite the fact that we are going to get a message of condolence. the heralds make their way into the body of the chamber. which of course sees some pretty lively debates. befitting its purpose. but the building has become one that is used for all kind of public occasions and many members of public find their way in there for one reason or another. it has become very much part of city scape. there is a very fine mace that was created for the scottish parliament, with gold and silver taken from scottish rivers, river beds i should stay. —— i should say. now we will hear the first minister. alisonjohnson now we will hear the first minister. alison johnson the now we will hear the first minister. alisonjohnson the presiding officer in her place and she is going to speakfirst. in her place and she is going to speak first-— speak first. your ma'esties, members. * speak first. your ma'esties, members, lawh speak first. your majesties, members, law officer, - speak first. your majesties, - members, law officer, distinguished guests, it is with great sorrow that we gather today to mourn the passing of her imaginester majesty queen elizabeth. i would like to convey our sincere condolences to your majesty. not only leading our national mourning, but grieving for a much—loved mother, grandmother and great mother. the thoughts of this parliament and the people of scotland are with the royal family at this time of grief. but although we meet at this time of sadness, this moment provides us with an opportunity too to reflect on her majesty's remarkable life and in particular her bond with this parliament. we are reminded of her commitment too and affection for this parliament every time we sit. on our establishment in 1999, her majesty gifted the parliament the mace which sits in the well of the chamber. the words on it, integrity, compassion, wisdom and justice have inspired us. her majesty described this parliament as being rightly anchored in the history of scotland and spoke of the grit, determination, humourand determination, humour and forthrightness of determination, humourand forthrightness of the people. these were qualities that occupied a personal place in her own and family's affections and generations of people here in scotland reciprocated that affection and while today is a day of sadness and an expression of our sympathy, it is also a day to be thank. ful for her majesty's long reign and her friendship to this part. for in her we have indeed had a true friend and supporter from and on our important anniversaries too. the pandemic meant that our opening ceremony last year was delayed from the summer until october. and covid meant that precautions were in place. but her majesty was determined tojoin us place. but her majesty was determined to join us and demonstrated the importance of her relationship with the parliament and the people. we, 129 members, each invited a community representative, a local hero, to be a guest at that ceremony. in recognition of their service to those in need during the pandemic. her majesty stopped and spoke with every single local hero waiting asking about their contribution and thanking them sincerely for their efforts. young and old, from the length and breadth of scotland, their delight and pride at receiving her time and interest was abundantly clear. a true demonstration of the time queen elizabeth invested in the relationship with this parliament and the people. in my role representing the parliament i enjoyed two private audiences with her majesty and valued her insight and counsel. so while we mourn today with the rhyl family, and with —— royal family and the people of scotland and others beyond, we also give thanks as a nation and as a parliament for her majesty, queen elizabeth, queen of scots for her extraordinary life and work and before i invite the first minister to move the motion of condolence, i would ask you to join me to move the motion of condolence, i would ask you tojoin me in two minutes' silence and please stand, as you are able. thank you. thank you. the first minister will _ thank you. thank you. the first minister will move _ thank you. thank you. the first minister will move the - thank you. thank you. the first minister will move the motion l thank you. thank you. the first | minister will move the motion of condolence. minister will move the motion of condolence-— condolence. today's business is consideration _ condolence. today's business is consideration of _ condolence. today's business is consideration of a _ condolence. today's business is consideration of a motion - condolence. today's business is consideration of a motion of - consideration of a motion of condolence in the name of nicola sturgeon and i now call on nicola sturgeon, first minister of scotland, to speak to and move the motion of condolence. xyour scotland, to speak to and move the motion of condolence. your ma'esty, presidin: motion of condolence. your ma'esty, presiding officer, fl motion of condolence. your ma'esty, presiding officer, members _ motion of condolence. your ma'esty, presiding officer, members ofh presiding officer, members of parliament, guests, it is my duty and my honour to move this motion of condolence on the death of her majesty queen elizabeth. this is a time of profound sorrow, while the nation's grief is for our queen, the royal family's is for their mother, grandmother and great grandmother. on behalf of the parliament and people of scotland i offer my heart felt condolences to the duke of rothesay and to all members of her majesty's wider family. when queen victoria died in 1901, arthur balfour led condolence and said the grief of the country was because they were marking the end of an epoch. these words are just as true for us today. most of us simply do not remember life without the queen. when, as princess elizabeth, she gave a radio broadcast from south africa on her 21st birthday, she was addressing an empire that still included india. when she became queen winston churchill was still prime minister. she has been the anchor of our nation. our personal recollections are often intertwined with memories of her reign. i was nine years old when i first saw the queen. she visited irving, my home town to open the magnum leisure centre. i was one of hundreds lining the streets with my mum and by luck we ended up close to her car as it passed by. nine—year—old me was absolutely convinced i had caught her eye. that nine—year—old girl could not have imagined more than 35 years later being in the front passenger seat of another car, this time with the queen at the wheel, driving through the balmoral estate. in recent days other leaders have shared stories from balmoral of barbecues cooked by prince philip as the queen laid the table. these are memories i treasure too. i did however experience one rather tense moment at balmoral. my husband and i were with the queen before dipper dinner when the drawing room light started to flicker. to my alarm, my husband suddenly leapt up and darted across the room. peter had spotted the cause of flickering light. one of queen's young corgis, a pup called sandy, was eating through a bmp called sandy, was eating through a lamp switch! thankfully, tragedy was averted and sandy emerged unscathed, though not before a stern ticking off from his mistress. like my predecessors as first minister and all prime ministers, i deeply valued the time i spent alone with the queen. herwords the time i spent alone with the queen. her words of wisdom, counsel, and humour will stay in my heart for the rest of my life. however, the memory i cherish most is not from balmoral or from audiences at holyrood, it is from 2015 when the queen opened the borders railway. i spent the journey from edinburgh to tweedbank with just her and prince philip, enjoying the recollections of times spent in scotland. that would have been special on any day, but it was also the day the queen became our longest reigning monarch, allowing me to observe quickly how quietly reflective she was about that historic milestone, made it so much more so. it was one of the great privileges of my life. what was obvious then and on every occasion she graced us with her presence was the queen's genuine love of scotland. indeed her first official visit was here in scotland when she opened the aberdeen sailor's home in 1944. in the decades since she has been intrinsic to the a true friend of this parliament. on the day we reconvened in 1999, she allowed the title, queen elizabeth, queen of scots to be used and presented us with our mace, it is words ofjustice, compassion and integrity describe values personified by the queen. as her health declined, she inspired us with a dedication to public service. in his address on friday, the king called her words. my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service. for 75 years, queen elizabeth more than fulfilled that vow. she performed her duties with dedication, wisdom, and a profound sense of service. she set an exceptional example for all of us. our nation is in mourning today for a queen whose loss we have not yet begun to come to terms with. we are deeply honoured by the presence today of his majesty king charles ii! and the queen consort. your majesty, we stand ready to support you as you continue your own life of service and as you build on the extraordinary legacy of your beloved mother, our queen. queen elizabeth, queen of scots, we are grateful for her life, may she now rest in peace. studio: the first minister of scotland honouring the late queen, the queen of scots. the scotland honouring the late queen, the queen of scots.— the queen of scots. the news from balmoral the queen of scots. the news from lzfalmoral on _ the queen of scots. the news from balmoral on thursday _ the queen of scots. the news from balmoral on thursday evening - the queen of scots. the news from l balmoral on thursday evening rocked us to the _ balmoral on thursday evening rocked us to the court. her late majesty was a _ us to the court. her late majesty was a constant presence in our lives through— was a constant presence in our lives through out— was a constant presence in our lives through out her reign. for many of us it— through out her reign. for many of us it is— through out her reign. for many of us it is difficult to imagine a country— us it is difficult to imagine a country without her. she seemed as permanent— country without her. she seemed as permanent as the stones of edinburgh castle, _ permanent as the stones of edinburgh castle, a _ permanent as the stones of edinburgh castle, a constant of our country changed — castle, a constant of our country changed. when she became monarch, she was— changed. when she became monarch, she was served in that role by 15 political— she was served in that role by 15 political leaders, offering wise counsel — political leaders, offering wise counsel from long experience. from the queen— counsel from long experience. from the queen who lived through the great _ the queen who lived through the great depression and the great recession, the second world war and the second _ recession, the second world war and the second gulf war, the length of the second gulf war, the length of the queen's reign meant that she was an anchor— the queen's reign meant that she was an anchor to— the queen's reign meant that she was an anchorto our the queen's reign meant that she was an anchor to our history, ensuring that whatever changes to our country and how _ that whatever changes to our country and how we _ that whatever changes to our country and how we lived our lives, we retained — and how we lived our lives, we retained an _ and how we lived our lives, we retained an enduring link to the generations that had come before. she was— generations that had come before. she was a — generations that had come before. she was a living reminder of the sacrifices — she was a living reminder of the sacrifices made to build the country and the _ sacrifices made to build the country and the world that we live in today. what _ and the world that we live in today. what are _ and the world that we live in today. what are leader could have reassured the nation _ what are leader could have reassured the nation in the darkest days of the nation in the darkest days of the covid — the nation in the darkest days of the covid pandemic by drawing on their own — the covid pandemic by drawing on their own memories of children being separated _ their own memories of children being separated from their families during the blitz? _ separated from their families during the blitz? time and time again, her maiesty_ the blitz? time and time again, her majesty gave us certainty, stability, joy and happiness when we needed _ stability, joy and happiness when we needed it— stability, joy and happiness when we needed it most. that's why the scenes— needed it most. that's why the scenes that we saw on her final journey— scenes that we saw on her final journey from balmoral to holyrood palace _ journey from balmoral to holyrood palace yesterday surprised no—one. from _ palace yesterday surprised no—one. from the _ palace yesterday surprised no—one. from the heart of aberdeenshire to our capital— from the heart of aberdeenshire to our capital city, young and old came together— our capital city, young and old came together to — our capital city, young and old came together to pay their respects. scotland's unique tribute saw tractors — scotland's unique tribute saw tractors and horses interspersed with members of the public who came in their— with members of the public who came in their tens _ with members of the public who came in theirtens of with members of the public who came in their tens of thousands to lined the route — in their tens of thousands to lined the route. because while monarch of the route. because while monarch of the united _ the route. because while monarch of the united kingdom and the commonwealth, we know the late queen held scotland close to her heart, and we _ held scotland close to her heart, and we held her two hours. we feel the pain— and we held her two hours. we feel the pain of— and we held her two hours. we feel the pain of her lost so strongly, we are with _ the pain of her lost so strongly, we are with the — the pain of her lost so strongly, we are with the royal family today as in her final speech to this chamber, the late family today as are with the royal family today as they grieve on a personal level and they grieve on a personal level and 'oin they grieve on a personal level and join them _ they grieve on a personal level and join them in — 'oin they grieve on a personal level and join them _ they grieve on a personal level and join them in — they grieve on a personal level and join them in mourning as a nation. they grieve on a personal level and join them in mourning as a nation. in join them in mourning as a nation. in her— join them in mourning as a nation. in join them in mourning as a nation. in her— join them in mourning as a nation. in her final— join them in mourning as a nation. in her final— join them in mourning as a nation. in her final speech to this chamber, in her final speech to this chamber, the late _ the late _ in her final speech to this chamber, the late queen said, it is often said _ the late queen said, it is often said that — the late queen said, it is often said that it is people that make a place. _ said that it is people that make a place. and — said that it is people that make a place, and there are few places where — place, and there are few places where this— place, and there are few places where this is truer than in scotland. but i think we can also see that — scotland. but i think we can also see that the queen shaped modern scotland _ see that the queen shaped modern scotland during her 70 year reign, and we _ scotland during her 70 year reign, and we know that the bonds and ties to scotland, developed and strengthened by the late monarch will be _ strengthened by the late monarch will be continued by king charles iii. will be continued by king charles ill you, — will be continued by king charles iii. you, sir, became the first to accede — iii. you, sir, became the first to accede to — iii. you, sir, became the first to accede to the throne while on scottish— accede to the throne while on scottish soil in over 400 years. you have _ scottish soil in over 400 years. you have already — scottish soil in over 400 years. you have already served scotland as duke of rothesay, duke of edinburgh, lord of rothesay, duke of edinburgh, lord of the _ of rothesay, duke of edinburgh, lord of the isles, _ of rothesay, duke of edinburgh, lord of the isles, and i know that people across— of the isles, and i know that people across the _ of the isles, and i know that people across the country will show you the same _ across the country will show you the same support and devotion as they did your— same support and devotion as they did your late mother. because today we don't _

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