harrys.com slash team. you need to clean your $5 trial violent earth with me of fiber tomorrow. would nine on cnn closed captioning is brought to you by tableau. watch, pause and record live tv subscription free. start watching tv for free with tableau switching to tableau has really been a money saver without a monthly subscription was amazing order today at tableau tv.com hello everyone, and welcome. >> so the amanpour hour, here's where we're headed this week let's talk more actions as the dust settles on a presidential debate. how can joe biden and donald trump make their case to the american good people? also this hour, the un takes flat, forgiving the taliban as seats at the table, but leaving afghan women out in the cold and it's really devastating for afghan women will update you on one girls second chance at life of the she tried to check out of the taliban's misogynistic rule. then not my president from my archive flashback to the green revolution when iranians shouted death to the dictator and accused the iot dollars of stealing the 2009 election and locking up their reformist leader. and finally, the new documentary that captures how young activists today learned from singer and selection campaign is headed after that first presidential debate. a faltering joe biden faced off against a firehose of falsehoods from donald trump. as one why i've put it an old man versus a con man now, both candidates are back on the campaign trail trying to sell their vision to a deeply divided public will biden, be able to successfully sell his record and proved to be that bridge to the future that he claimed when he won four years ago was trump able to convince people that he's any better than he was when he lost the election four years ago. and now with a felony conviction and more trials to face according to a post debate, cnn ssrs paul, 81% of voters said that it didn't affect their vote choice. 14% said they're considering switching, and 5% said they would. and what about the global constituency watching closely? well mark lauder, donald trump's former strategic communication director and special assistant to the president, and also vice president mike pence is here and we have simon rosenberg, a democratic political strategies and veteran of two presidential campaigns. so gentlemen, welcome to the program you were in atlanta, you are in atlanta where the cnn in debate was held. you are in the rooms watching to be able to talk to us afterwards. so from your perspective, mark larger how did you candidate do? >> i got donald trump did great. he was talking about the issues that matter to the american people. and offering a vision to fix the problems that have been largely caused by job biden. i think he showed strength which is something that the american people have always sought in their president's contrasted to joe biden, who really struggled and showed a lot of weakness. >> so simon rosenberg, you know, because you're they had the republicans are very, very happy with the way they candid did how about the democrats? and you are not just an advisor, your a key strategist. >> yeah, listen, i think joe biden has been a very good president who had a very bad night and how consequential this will be during the course of this long campaign we'll find out. but i think the other thing we saw in addition to joe biden and being able to make the case for his presidency, which he struggled with a little bit. no question. is that we also saw on donald trump a person who's a bad man, who's a terrible candidate and would be a disastrous president for the united states, the level of lying and falsehoods that we heard from him was shocking even for somebody in the business has been falling trump virtually nothing he said was true. and so i don't think it was a great debate for the american people. i don't think they learn very much. that's really going to help them make this decision as your own polling showed. but i do think there's a better night for trump and biden, and it means that we've got work to do in the coming months. >> you know what? >> i actually i was going to go on to a little bit more of the optics because obviously optics and perception are a huge point of this. but i do want to ask you about the economy. both of you, because that is clearly top of mind, not just for voters in the united states, bread-and-butter issues, cost of life, but all over the cost of living, but all over the world. so donald trump is you said mark made strong claims and we're going to play this sound bite the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to covid and even after covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. >> but listens, play this soundbite. >> the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to covid and even after covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. >> but listen 16 nobel prize winning economists have warned that a second trump term would reignite inflation. they say joe biden's economic agenda is vastly superior donald trump's although, as you know, mark, i'm sure you've been reading these he donald trump had a meeting with executives just in the last few days and they said remarkably meandering, couldn't keep a straight thought and was all over the map. and it's also been pointed out by jeffrey sound and felt at yale that not a single person among forbes 100 ceos has donated to trump's campaign so these are fats. how does that mog make him better on the economy? >> well, a nobel laureates were wrong when they predicted that he was going to ruin the economy in 2016, 2017, government go up. we saw jobs coming back obviously we were recovering when the pandemic from the pandemic as the election took place, and we had no inflation 1.4% when they went joe biden took office. gas was a little over $2 a gallon. those are all realities that they can't change. and i get it. you get a bunch of liberal ivy. ivy tower elites who want job biden to be president america people aren't buying it. >> yeah, look, i think you and i both know that most ceos are not liberal they might be lead, but they're certainly many, many of them have backed former republican presidents. this is the first time a republican candidate has received so little backing from them. but i wanted to put that as a question to you as well. simon, truly american people have been really suffering cost of living, inflation all the rest of it. biden said, yeah, the economy was great for rich people during trump, he lowered rich people in corporate taxes but what about his own record? he didn't in fact, defend his own economic record at all yeah. >> i mean, first of all donald trump's economic record is among the worst in american history. i mean, he was the first president to have job loss and his watch since herbert hoover. and this idea that he was the economy performed stellar unto him is an unbelievable well falsehood and lai the second thing is that the economy under joe biden, we're actually going through one of the greatest periods of economic growth in american history right? now, we've had gdp growth over 3%. as you know, it's been far higher than any other g7 country in the world. we have the best job market since the 1960s, inflation last month was zero, right? prices did not not rise and it's now down in today's pce number. it's now down to the basically where the fed wants it to be making interest rates far more likely to be cut this year. joe biden has had a stellar track record on the economy. what donald trump is proposing would raise dramatically spike inflation. it would cripple the economy, create massive work shortages in the united states and b, and create far larger deficits. i mean, it is one of the reasons that ceos are staying away from him it's because they view his economic plans as being on me. create massive work shortages in the united states and be and create lot and far larger deficits. i mean, it is one of the reasons that ceos are staying away from him is because they view his economic plans as being dangerous and reckless and a time when america is booming and we're breaking records in the stock market, okay, so simon i couldn't joe biden put it put that case to the american people yesterday. he spectacularly did not put that case to the american people and furthermore, as you know, and i'm sure your phone is blowing up like all democrat strategies that there is a mass of people who won biden to be persuaded to pull out. and we will discuss where this campaign goes when we come back after a short break. then later in the hour, the young activists behind a new documentary, how they learn from a veteran singer and civil rights campaigner, harry belafonte better fisher investments were clearly different we go four is in america they july 4th at 70s dirt on cnn welcome back to the program, and we're back with our political panel mob blotter. don't trump's former strategic communication director and special assistant to the president and vice president mike pence and simon rosenberg, a democratic political strategies and veteran of two presidential campaigns let's continue this conversation. first, i want to play simon and indeed mark a video the sound of president biden after the debate, after he got off the stage, looked to me like a different guy. >> i can't think of one thing he said that was true i'm not being facetious. but look we're going to beat this guy. we need to beat this guy i need you in order to meet him. your the people i've run we're the finest nation the whole world let's keep going see you at the next one. i guess both of you might think that if that person had turned up on the stage, it would be a different dynamic but simon, where was that person? >> listen, joe biden had a bad night. i mean, there's just no way to get around that. i mean, as i said earlier, i think he's been a very good president and he's got a strong case for his reelection. he didn't do to that he didn't wasn't effective last night and making that case, but it's just one moment in a long campaign and we've got a long way to go here. we're in the very beginning. our elections are long here in the united states. we're in the very beginning stages this in many ways was really the beginning of the general election, but we've got the two conventions that are coming up, sorry about that. we've got to conventions coming we've got lots of other, we've got a major moment in the next few weeks was donald trump's sentencing where he could be sentenced to prison in the next few weeks. so they're gonna be a lot of other moments. and but we are clearly coming out of this knowing that our job got a little bit harder and we've got a lot of work to do ahead of us. so mark by contrast, then do you think your job got a little bit? so they're gonna be a lot of other moments. and but we are clearly coming out of this knowing that our job got a little bit harder and we've got a lot of work to do ahead of us. so mark by contrast, then do you think your job got a little bit easier even though your candidate does in fact have challenges ahead yeah well, we went into this with the wind at our back to begin with. >> i mean, there were two poles earlier this week from new york times, sienna. and when we act that both show donald trump leading joe biden head-to-head nationally by four percentage points at no point by the way, and its 2019 or 2020 years, did donald trump everly, joe biden even before the pandemic last time around. so it shows you what a challenge they have. you also have donald trump campaigning friday in the commonwealth of virginia has it been republican in 20 years? minnesota is now in play, so the swing state map is growing in donald trump's favor. the polls are all shifting in donald trump's favor. we, we, and donald trump have to just keep talking about the issues that matter to the american people joe biden made his job even more difficult, and it was already a mount everest size, a hill to climb. >> simon simon, i see you shaking your head, but if you look at columnists across the spectrum thomas friedman for instance, joe biden is a good man, a good president. he must bow out of the race. >> yeah, i do want to say that this idea that the poles are shifting towards trump is not true. i mean, there have been dozens of polls taken and the majority of polls have the race shifting two to four points to biden over the last few weeks. and this idea that virginia and minnesota are going to be in play, or just absurd. i mean, it's a saya, it's a psychological game. the trump campaign is playing and so we've got to stay focus is democrats put her head down, do the work. it may got a little bit harder, but i still think we're going to win this election let me ask you about an issue and talking about hurting and struggling many, many millions of women in the united states have seen their fundamental human rights overturned by the supreme court and donald trump he brags about it. >> he says, look, i put in these three fine conservative justices and they overturned roe versus his wade. and there's a big dilemma for so many, many women in the united states over this. i want to play the abortion exchange between the two candidates during the debate, a doctor should be making those decisions. that's how it should be run. that's what you're gonna do. and if i'm elected, i'm going to restore roe v. wade so that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month. and even after birth, because some states democrat-run take it after birth. again, the governor, former governor of virginia, put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it. so he's in he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby mod, because that is such offensive language, i'm just going to make a fact check here. >> abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the united states. the idea of killing babies after birth is just so offensive. nonetheless, there is a major abortion conundrum in the united states right now. and in the mid terms you could see that democrats or women voted on this, on this case what do you think is going to happen in this upcoming election on this issue? >> well, i think the fact of the matter is is that no matter who the president of the united states is, it's not going to change this issue because congress is never going to pass anything. and what roe v. wade, the overturning of roe v. wade, did, was it restored democracy? chrissy, because now the people's elected representatives are the ones who get to weigh in on this matter. but i do want to clarify one thing donald trump was absolutely clear. he would not sign in national abortion ban any supports exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother well, that was actually a strong part of the debate for joe biden last night. and i think that what is just clear, what's true, because a lot of what donald trump said about this last night was not true and he sounded in this section in particular like a raving lunatic, frankly, is that he would is true, is that donald trump is responsible for stripping the rights and freedoms away of tens of millions of women in america who now have less rights and freedoms than women do in places like mexico and brazil. and places all over the world. and donald trump is trying to present his new states rights position is something that's moderate or consensual, but it's actually a reinforcement of his fundamental extremism and so i do think this is going to be a very material issue in the election and virtually every election that has been contested since dobbs happened two years ago, republicans have underperformed. we've over-performed. i still think that's the likely outcome in this election in november, simon rosenberg for biden and marc lotto for trump. >> thanks for being with us thanks. christian. >> thank you when we come back, harry belafonte is legacy continues to inspire a new generation of artists and activists i speak to the young people behind a new documentary on his legacy welcome back to the program time now for a celebration of the life and legacy of an extraordinary individual, harry belafonte, where lipid, so i don't you don't rather say that he will come back garden, harry, i pick out the so-called king of calypso was a trailblazing singer actor and a tireless civil rights activists. >> now the new documentary following harry brings us an intimate look at belafonte is remarkable life story in the film includes many of the younger generation, belafonte inspired and mentor. but all so listen to including common parents, jordan, and activist who now heads up the gathering for justice, an ngo that was founded by bellefonte and the musician allo black, who along with common this month received the harry belafonte voices for social justice award welcome both of you to the program. here's an extraordinary documentary it's just so real time, like a tutorial, like a lesson evolving before your eyes. so we know that there's over incarceration of black and brown young people in the united states. and i want to play a little bit of hairy himself in the documentary. he talking about it, the gathering came out of a deeper inquiry on my part about incarceration of young people and the injustice system i do a lot of work in the lock-up with young people because i remember that's tremendous clarity what it was like to turn to work your way out of a bad deal. so comment, i wonder what you think is been achieved in the attempt to have more social justice in this regard. and also, what lessons in my conversations with mr. belafonte, one of them was part of the six principles of king and nonviolence. and it was principle number three, attack the forces of people, not people doing evil. and so when we were organizing the women's march the attack was not against trump. it was actually creating pathways and entry points for all women to feel that they were connected to a movement to something larger than themselves. and so mr. belafonte, with the attack was not against trump. it was actually creating pathways and entry points for all women to feel that they were connected to a movement to something larger than themselves. and so mr. belafonte would sit with me and guide me through the lessons he learned through the original march on washington. and so lot of what we were able to do with the 2017 women's march was really based on his guidance. he always said meet people where they're at, champion them to your cause. he said, there's a link for everybody to get involved in the movement. and so when we were thinking about preparing the agenda, we needed to bring an artist like alo black, alicia key he's other women who were demanding rights for women. and i wanted to ask you about a particular speech that harry made back in 2013 when he was i believe he was being awarded at the end naacp and he didn't just say thank you. >> he put everybody in the audience on notice. i'm just going to play an extract question is where is the raised the voice of black america why are we mute? >> where are our leaders legislators where is the church? >> you know, really throwing the gauntlet down. i mean, he was not afraid to shine the spotlight and, turn the mirror on his own community. what did you think allo when you when you heard about that speech? >> what i thought was it was my turn to step stand up and step into the light and be part of the change. harry was calling on all of us to use our voices, our celebrity, or influenced artistic expression. and so what i've been doing since then, putting together an album in with the support of an organization called stand together, where all the songs are representative of and amplifying the work of people on the ground community workers who are improving their environments, and the people that they serve organizations that are doing the hard work to better the lives of the most vulnerable. this is the way that we can show up as artists. and i look to all of my peers within the music industry, the film industry, and other entertainment industries, to use their voice use your voice to speak truth to power. one of the things that harry belafonte always said was that artists or the gatekeepers of truth. and it was a quote that he got from his hero, paul robeson he often said in the film and throughout his great was it worth it? >> did everything i do mean anything. what did we change? hinge i want to ask you that comment about what he said and what you think you can change. >> i absolutely feel it was worth it. i want mr. belafonte and everybody to know that you. know what he did was paved the way for so many of us. we all have a role to play in this movement, whether we're involved in the women's movement, whether we're involved in the criminal legal system movement, there is a link for us and mr. belafonte just did an impact. those of us that are part of this film he gathered so many young people people when their young people all over this country, all over this world that are continuing his last, that is what i want to end ways because allo because we're in the midst of an election, young people historically don't turn out in the numbers that they should. what do you think this time around? >> i think this time around young people absolutely have to the world depends on their action, right? now. and those of the people, those are the people who can make the change. we are the ones that are gonna be in charge of the future. we've got to step up. >> thank you both so much indeed for being with us. following harry is expected to be in theaters and available to stream later this year, find updates and information at following harry dot org and coming up next from my archive lessons from the so-called 2009 green revolution for this weekend's presidential election in iran and why the candidates have put women's rights at the heart of their campaigns now infused with real copper. >> so your water is always clean and lead free. just turn on the water and watch your hose grow oh, and grow to a full-size three quarter inch hose. it stretches and expands like a rubber band. and when you turn off the water away, it goes shrinking and squeezing that water out until it's practically bone dry and that makes welcome back to the program. >> snap elections in iran this weekend after president raisi was killed in a helicopter crash last month six officially approved candidates bow to the inevitable and declared they would put women's rights at the heart of their presidency after the crackdown down on nationwide protests over the death of mahsa amini in 2022. amini's death in custody of your own so-called morality police sparked an uprising demanding justice and reform with the popular rallying cry, women life, freedom. i was there for the now infamous elections of 2000 nine reporting on those demanding change in the largest challenge to the islamic republic since its inception back in 1979. and then women led the rallying cry for change against the despise president ahmadinejad. here's my report this is mothers square in tehran the center statue was sculpted by zara radina, vd an artist and academic. some of her other work is displayed in this downtown gallery which was designed by her architect husband mere hussein mousavi who also happens to be president at medina jobs, leading rival in the iranian elections for the first time ever in iran, a candidate has campaigned with his wife and wrath nevada has drawn huge crowds to husbands rallies, especially women. >> savvy number tesla, i'm here to say that men and women are equal. she tells us more women than men have voted in the past few elections. and rafah being spray-painted off the wall. but change was a slogan used by one of the reforms the only cleric in the race who promised to campaign for women's rights if he became president. and the hardline conservative, more san reserve also said that he would have female ministers if he won the election women were allowed to register for the presidential race for the very first time. but the religious betting body deemed none fit to run your charming new zan behind 34 million women demand female cabinet ministers, 34 million women demand to be eligible to run for president, says ratan, nevada, 34 million women want the civil law and family law revised. but on election night, june 2009, when the results were called we watched the shocked and angry voters take to the streets accusing the regime of fraud and stealing the election sparking the so-called green revolution. here's that phase frustration boiled over and ran through the streets of this tehran neighborhood. after official election results delivered, reform candidate hussein, who sat a crushing defeat in friday's elections savvy, savvy, get my i vote back for me. they shout death to the dictation or they shout hundreds of riot police were deployed. and for an hour here, they were running battles with angry street protesters as each side charge the other. the protesters threw rocks and set garbage cans on fire and many were beaten with batons after a while, the growing crowd surge towards the main square where there were more security forces and police. but here they did not intervene. and then the protesters set off down terens main north-south avenue we are here to protect our votes as this man, because we feel we've been insulted, are voters been insulted? you can change it we people have now joined ban from the side streets, from windows and rooftops, from the overpass come over and support us, shouted the marches as this was happening, the final election results were being broadcast by the interior ministry 39 million votes caused 24.5 million were counted for president aberdeen, a job and just over 13 million again, for me, hussein mousavi and with that came the official seal of approval. iran, supreme religious leader ayatollah khamenei delivered a message congratulating good people on their epic rider election on the record, turnout and the result. saying the president was everyone's president but we savvy, who had last night declared himself the winner based on his campaign's exit polls. also wrote an open letter to the people calling the results shocking and vowing not to surrender to such stage ground where the system cheats the people out of their vote 15 years later, that reform is leader must turn out and the result, saying the president was everyone's president savvy, who had last night declared himself the winner based on his campaign's exit polls. also wrote an open letter to the people calling the results shocked and vowing not to surrender to such stage graph where the system cheats the people out of their vote 15 years later that reform is leader mousavi remains under house arrest while the majority of people there keep demanding. well reform when we come back and update on a story, we first brought you last year about an afghan teenager called azo, who attempted to take her own life to escape toddler ban rule up next, how she's doing now, and the doctor who was inspired to help helper ♪we can secure our world.♪ ♪watch out for offers too good to be true.♪ that's phishing! ♪someone's trying to take advantage of you.♪ learn more at cisa.gov/secureourworld ♪that's how we can secure our world!♪ ♪we can secure our world.♪ ♪don't just use a password alone.♪ ♪mfa sends a call, a text or a code to your phone.♪ learn more at cisa.gov/secureourworld ♪that's how we can secure our world!♪ women have been barred from schools and universities, beauty salons have been shut down, and women are forbidden to travel without a male guardian. and crucially, most cannot work or provide for their families. in the latest attack gone women, the taliban is sending officials to a un meeting on afghanistan in doha on the condition that women don't participate and women's rights are kept off the agenda eight months ago on this program, cnn's anna coren expose the heartbreaking consequence of the taller bonds rule as suicide i'd rates among women have surged. she network or provide for their families in the latest attack on women, the taliban is sending officials to a un meeting on afghanistan in doha on the condition that women don't participate and women's rights are kept off the agenda. eight months ago on this program cnn's anna coren expose the heartbreaking consequence of the taller bonds rule as suicide rates among women have surged she now brings us an update on what led one young afghan girl to such despair. and her second chance at life? huddled on the floor over school books, 16-year-old, azur meticulously copies the english sentences her niche cursive writing, a display of devotion to furthering her education my hand washing, our qiat make it learning new words makes me happy. >> she explains, but can name but this scene was unthinkable, just eight months ago when we first met azo in the same room on the outskirts of karachi in pakistan don't worry you'll be fine. says her brother kissing her hand. we are with you always i was bedridden he skeletal frame, wasting away every breath she took and movement. she made causing unbearable pain azo is from neighboring afghanistan and it's there in her home in july of last year, she tried to kill herself can, you talk to us about this is the first time the teenager whose identity is hidden due to security concerns is able to speak to us about what led her to that point. >> all i want my pick can make it on that day, i felt like everything was over i glanced at pictures of my classmates and filled a deep sense of longing. i was overwhelmed by hopelessness. and wire drank battery acid convinced it would end my life as those seen here in pink in happier times, is one of countless afghan girls who have attempted suicide an alarming trend spreading across the country since the taliban returned to power almost three years ago a ban on secondary education for girls, one of the most damaging of dozens of adx enforced by the taliban contributing to what human rights activists describe as the most serious women's rights crisis in the world. a call backed up by un officials, the taliban's institutionalized system of gender oppression established an enforced through its violations of women and girls fundamental rights it's widespread and systematic and amounting to crimes against humanity. >> but despite these powerful language, the un has appease the taliban for this weekend's un conference on afghanistan in doha agreeing to its demands that women's rights are off the official agenda guaranteeing it's attendance for the various very first time? know will afghan women be represented in taliban meetings? >> there's a shocking and shameful behavior and this really represents a huge win for the taliban on its lay in terms of how much power they're able to exercise how much the international community is is allowing their conduct, their abuses to be normalized. >> and this is really devastating for afghan women, especially for geenen offering azo proper medical care that would ultimately save her life her weight was that ove probably a four-year-old. she was 22, 22 kilograms at the time that we saw are there's no doubt in my mind that she had only a few months are left to live really by consuming battery acid as i suffered, what's called an esophageal stricture and narrowing of the esophagus, stopping food from parsing to her stomach over several procedures, duct is inflated a tiny balloon inside her esophagus to gradually widen the passage, allowing her to eat in january this year, she ate her first meal of rice and milk. oh, it was delicious. >> i felt strong at that moment and so happy. i told myself i could get through these hard days since then. she has doubled her weight yet. are those battles are far from over she the area where she was pretty badly scarred. the doctor says you requires ongoing medical care and is now at risk of developing esophageal cancer but the immediate threat facing azo and her siblings is deportation. as pakistan prepares to expel the next wave of undocumented afghan migrants approximately one fifth of the nearly 3 million afghans living in pakistan were deported by the end of last year homes in refugee camps have been marked by authorities for the next round. and azo is visibly upset at the prospect would you try to kill yourself again if you were forced to return to afghanistan? >> my thick could make rum. >> i got if i go back to afghanistan, i would end up doing the same thing again because i can't attend school or see my friends i cannot live there for the pediatric surgeon who operated on azo, he says they will lucky to get to her in time we don't want to be at the resuscitating end the goal is to be at the prevention part and to not allow it to happen but sadly, there is no way to stop what is happening in afghanistan under taliban rule as an entire generation of girls, just like azo, are unable to see any light on the horizon anna coren, cnn such a mountain of threats that even the doctor didn't want his identity revealed for fear of what might happen to him if he saves girls and women, at least azo has survived and we will be right back with some unusual diplomats. by liver retweeted me of freiburg tomorrow would nine on cnn where carbonic, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. >> whether it's a year-old or a few years old, we want to buy your car. so go to carbonic, enter your license plate answer your questions, and our techno wizardry calculates your car's 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