right now. new video showing the inside of a tunnel reinforced with concrete on hospital grounds. >> reporter: more information about three hostages. >> we believe we have closer than we've been for a final agreement. >> these are sensitive delicate talks. >> former president trump plans to argue that gag order is violating his right to free speech. >> deranged jack smith, have you ever heard of him? >> the court will take that into account. >> former first lady rosalynn carter has passed away at the age of 96. >> champion of mental health and women's rights and also caregiving. >> best thing i ever did was marry rosalyn. t that is the pinnacle of my life. >> and on this monday morning, so glad that you are with us. happy to have erica hill by my side. phil is on vacation. good morning. israeli military now claiming that surveillance video shows hamas bringing hostages into gaza's main hospital. that is what you are looking at. one of the videos shows a man being rushed in to the al-shifa hospital by force. the other one shows a bleeding man with a bandaged hand being pushed on the gurney. the time stamp on this video is crucial, you see it in the upper corner, october 7, the same day hamas launched its terror attacks. and this all comes as the idf accuses hamas of running a command center under the hospital. the idf took cnn into the al-shifa hospital to see a tunnel shaft that hamas allegedly used. hamas has denied israel's claims. so have some hospital officials who have spoken to cnn. >> there is some growing hope this morning that deal with hamas to release hostages could be days away. sources telling cnn a recent draft of a potential deal proposes to a four to five day pause in fighting in exchange for thisinitial release of 50 hostages. and bpremature babies have started arriving in egypt greeted by medical workers and incubators, being placed inside them. >> and eleni giokos is in egypt where those babies are receiving the desperately needed care. oren lieberman is joining us from tel aviv. let's start with the hostages. what can you tell us? >> there has been a bit of scepticism by the families that deal is that close to happening. part of it is that they have heard too much of it, they have heard a deal a imminent too many times. instead they are just urging the government do whatever it can to bring the hostages home. whether that is an exchange or other means. they say the video released is from inside the hospital on october 7, and some of this is a bit graphic. the idf has accused hamas of not only using the underneath but also the hospital complex and here they say it shows an nepally citizen and a thai citizen brought inside the hospital itself shortly after the attack. interestingly in a response, hamas didn't respond to these specific videos but said broadly that yes, it brought hostages to the hospitals as part of what it called its meticulous monitoring of the hostages before being placed in die tension. >> and you traveled as was noted to the al-shifa hospital. and they leased video evidence to support the claims that hamas was using that hospital as cover. can you walk us through what those videos show? >> reporter: of course. so we spent about six hours inside of gaza itself with the idf under media escort at all times. we cross in at about 9 at night in darkness. and the goal was to see the exposed tunnel shaft that had been revealed only a day or two earlier. but we hadn't seen inside of it. from the top of the shaft which is where we were allowed to go, we weren't allowed in, it was quite clear there was a substantial structure that goes downward with what appeared to be a spiral staircase. and they sent a camera down there and it is important to note that cnn geo located the spot where we were and the video to the al-shifa hospital complex. the camera inside the tunnel shows first the spiral staircase and then the camera moves along an underground tunnel turning left and then continuing until it comes to a metal door. we don't know what is behind that metal door. israel hasn't opened it yet for fear it may be booby-trapped but this is arguably the most compelling evidence yet that there is a tunnel, at least one, underneath the hospital. and this is what the idf has asserted the past several weeks if not much longer that there is a structure used by hamas underneath the hospital. they haven't really started working underground yet, that is very much where hamas has the advantage. but that is part of what we expect to see as they promise more evidence that hamas uses hospital cover above for their work, their operations below. >> oren lieberman, thank you. happening right now, newborn babies evacuated from gaza have arrived in egypt. eleni giokos is joining us from cairo. so this is significant that the babies have now arrived. what more do we know about their conditions? >> reporter: firstly there is something we've been anticipating for over a week, the egyptian health ministry was waiting for these babies since sunday last week. so finally they are in egypt to receive health care. initially the health ministry were saying about 36 babies that they were expecting. today 28 neonatals crossed over through rafah and into egypt. doctors inside al-shifa say some tragically died. we know they had no oxygen, no proper incubation, lack of supplies and clean water. so dire conditions, catastrophic conditions for those little babies. and then moved to the hospital in rafah, they had to stabilize them, hope that they would move into egypt yesterday but finally today. some babies were healthy enough to be given back to their parents, but tragically, and this is really important, of those 28 babies, only four mothers were with those babies and six nurses. the authorities tell us that they just don't know where their parents are, they don't know if they have been orphaned. so a lot of unknowns. but critically now is to get them healthy. i want you to listen to what one doctor said about their condition. >> translator: we're conducting tests on all those babies and they were given fluid and needed medication according to their condition. for now they are in a difficult stable condition, but this condition might deteriorate especially given that we might run out of electricity at anytime now as long as fuel doesn't get into gaza. >> reporter: so one of the things is just how quickly that they could have removed those babies from al-shifa, verdanger scenario with the idf raid and creating that important safe corridor. but their lives from the moment they were born, danger all around them. so the war raging and also lack of resources and finally now in egypt. main point is to try to stabilize them. 11 in critical condition. all are fighting infections. and we're waiting to hear more of their status and they will be moved to hospitals across egypt in the coming hours. >> such critical moments ahead. appreciate the reporting. and also new this morning, openai's co-founder sam altman has a new job just three days after he was abruptly fired as ceo. microsoft, openai's biggest investor, says it will hire altman to lead a new research team alongside greg brockman the co-founder who quit on friday after altman was terminated. in an interview with bloomberg over the summer, listen to this, because this is what altman said about his role as ceo at the time and who he believed should hold the immense power of ai. >> like no one person should be trusted here. i don't have super voting shares. like i don't want them. the board can fire me. i think that is important. i think the board over time needs to get like democratized to all of humanity if this really works. it is a powerful technology and you should not trust one company and certainly not one person with it. >> details of altman's firing are pretty murky. we know openai said he had been insufficiently candid with the board and a key factor was tension between altman who wanted to push ai more cautious. and there was an exodus after altman was fired and the board considered bringing him back. former chief executive of twitch will take over as interim ceo of openai. today donald trump's legal team is set to argue before a washington appeals court that the gag order in his election interference case violates his right to free speech. this is amid his frequent attacks on the special counsel. >> deranged jack smith. have you ever heard of him? a lovely man. the trump hating prosecutor in the case. his wife and family despise me much more than he does and i think that is he about a 10. they are about a 15 on a scale of 10. >> this of course marks trump's second appeal of the gag order in the past week. thursday a new york appeals court temporarily lifted the gag order in his civil fraud trial. zach cohen is following this for us. how likely is it that the washington appeals court will lift the gag order? >> reporter: trump is definitely testing the limits of his free speech here and this hearing is a continuation of what we've seen from him in the courtroom not just in this election subversion case but across multiple criminal cases that he's involved in. [']' today and he hearing will focus on his ability to attack potential witnesses is necessary because he needs to defend himself outside the courtroom. legal experts we've spoken to say trump faces an uphill battle, that his status as a criminal defendant really does outweigh his status as a presidential candidate, but remains to be seen as always with trump, this is sort of unchartered territory having a criminal defendant who is also running for president. the panel of judges in the appeals process, two that were appointed by former president barack obama and another appointed by president joe biden. so on paper, that does seem to stack up against trump, but that panel has already temporarily frozen the gag order as they give trump more time -- give themselves more time to consider trump's request for undo this gag order. trump has spoken out freely about attacking jack smith, attacking witnesses like former chief of staff mark meadows. and prosecutors say that could endanger people close in this case, we'll have to see how the panel weighs what trump's lawyers say. but it appears to be an uphill battle for him. >> zach, thank you. and ahead for us, sources tell cnn negotiators are nearing a deal to secure the release of the hostages taken by hamas. if that is the case, what would that look like. we'll be joined by someone who negotiated the release of an israeli hostage from hamas in 2011. and the humanitarian, mental health activist, steel magnolia, rosalynn carter died at the age of 96. we'll hear from people who knew her well. former first lady, hualien, mental health advocate and activist. and one-half of the longest living presidential couple in american history. rosalynn carter died yesterday at her home in plains, georgia. she was 96. in a statement her husband of 77 years, former president jimmy carter, said "rosalynn was my equal partner in anything i ever accomplished. she gave me wise guidance and encouragement when i needed it. as long as rosalynn was in the world i always knew somebody loved and asssupported me." joining me is ann compton and also with us ceo of the carter center page alexander. appreciate you both being here. ann, that equal partner in the former president's statement about her is something that was so crucial to their relationship. and he truly sought her counsel and guidance on some of the hardest decisions as president. >> absolutely true. it was the core of that relationship that made it so special. if you are looking for her fingerprints all over his policies on the middle east or energy policy, you won't see them in public, but he counted on her advice and counsel and her sitting in on cabinet meetings and other meetings. that gave her the influence and impact on him and they shared so many of the same values. they were frugal. he wanted to take the flags off limousine bumpers and she wanted to wear her favorite governor's dress to her presidential inauguration. they shared all those same fundamentals. >> and those fundamentals that she shared really continued into the next several decades of their service, of their activism. the carter center this morning, how is that continuing forward, how will the former first lady continue to influence that? >> they were true partners in everything that they did as ann said. from the wife in the governor's mansion to the white house. and mrs. carter left her stamp here by creating a mental health program that we are working on both domestically and internationally. because she always wanted to destigmatize mental health and mental illness and to make sure that people got the care that they needed. because she saw it around the united states and she saw it around the world. >> let's listen if we can, this is president carter, former president carter, this is august 2015 talking about the love of his life. >> best thing i ever did was marry rosalynn. that is the pinnacle of my life. >> ann, i think about them not just in the white house, but i think a lot of people think about maybe even more about their years after and what they decided to do and what they decided to give their time to. >> it is amazing when you think that 22 years after anwar sadat got to knohe nobel prize, and t jimmy carter gets it for all he's done post presidency. and again, he did it all with mrs. carter and they had the same fundamental sense of giving to people on a very human level. hammering the nails, going through health problems. they did it together on a very, very human level. >> and talk to us about that human level and how it made them in so many ways relatable for many americans. >> you know, mrs. carter was in this partnership, she was always the one who they referred to her as steel magnolia because she was smart and sensitive and that partnership really allowed them as they traveled the world for her to continue to give guidance about how the carter center would expand, the work we were going to do. and she was his best political operative in so many ways for her guidance to him and the sounding board he used her for. >> and what about, ann, obviously we want to mention the work that she did for so many years on mental health. really focused to getting people out of quote/unquote institutions into community care programs. when you look at finally our society focusing more on mental health, she was way ahead of her time. >> and it helped push the whole issue of getting rid of the big sanitariums and bringing people into community areas where they could more easily translate and get back into a better care in the local community. i tell you, she also -- she had -- there were -- that steel spine she had, when the president was cracking down because of the energy crisis and cracking down on fuel use and lighting, we do remember that when he turned the thermostats in the white house way down especially at night, we understood that mrs. carter was cold and not very happy. the one place where she might have argued with him. >> poppy and i were talking about that anecdote this morning. we could relate to it. thank you both ann and paige very much. we'll remember her. what a woman. hostage negotiators potentially nearing a deal to free up to 50 people. details ahead. and plus president biden's handling of the war drawing a serious dividing line in his own party. what i can say about this at this time is we think that we are closer than we have been perhaps at any point since the negotiations began weeks ago, that there are areas of difference and disagreements that have been narrowed if not closed out entirely. but that the mantra that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed certainly applies here. >> that was white house deputy national security adviser john finer striking a cautiously optimistic tone yesterday to release at least some of the hostages still held.optimistic release at least some of the hostages still held. a possible deal proposes a four to five day pause in fighting for release of 50 hostages according to two sources familiar with the talks. >> over the weekend israel defense forces also released videos which they say show hamas fighters into al-shifa hospital on october 7. the hospital of course which israeli forces performed a targeted operation on last week. the idf did not say how they acquired the videos. cnn cannot independently verify the content. hamas run health ministry question their authenticity. joining us now is middle east director international communities organization who helped negotiate the release of an israeli hostage in 2011 captured by hamas. based on what we've heard most recently, hearing from jon finer, we're closer than we have been, how hopeful are you this morning? >> i'm actually quite hopeful. i think that all the talk around which is usually is usually ref noise seems to be coming together. i think pressure is on all sides to make the agreement happen and i think that we could see some developments in the near future. >> i'm interested in, and confused by, the fact that the idf has now just released that video that is time stamped october 7 of what they say is hamas rushing hostages into the hospital. why would they release that six weeks later? >> well, i think that they just acquired it yesterday as they have cleared out the hospital. they are going through the hospital. it looks like these were security cameras within the hospital and they have probably taken the computer network of the hospital itself and are going through the files and videos of cameras throughout the hospital in order to verify their claim that they have made for years that al-shifa hospital sits above a hamas command center. >> one would imagine that video is not being leased without considering the potential impact on hostage negotiations. what do you think it does to those negotiations even just in terms of public perception? >> i'm not sure that it has an impact. there is a gamble being taken by the israeli government that the military pressure on hamas would create the improvement of a deal that might be made, it would pressure hamas to be more generous and release more hostages, demand less in their ceasefire demands and other demands. it is really a gamble because no one really knows what are the considerations being made by one person essentially, what are the things that would motivate him to make a deal and what would push him against making a deal. there are a billion contradictions to everything going on because israeli's stated goals are to remove every single hamas leader there. so you are essentially negotiating with people that you intend to kill, which makes it a very difficult negotiation. >> what about any potential role of china? we know china's top diplomat has called for that their words urgent action to end the conflict. does china have sway here? >> i'm not sure they have sway in terms of the hostages, but i think china has a major role to play in the post war scenario of the need to rebuild gaza under the framework of an international understanding that israel's occupation over the palestinian people will end and the two state solution will be forced on israel and palestine. i'd be happy to see china and the united states leading the international effort to rebuild gaza together. no one builds infrastructure faster and more efficiently and probably cheaper than the chinese do. and it might even help improve america/china relations at the same time. sglnd >> there was a fascinating piece in the new yorker about your relationship with a senior hamas official in gaza, this had been your connection. and that relationship after october 7 is essentially if not on pause finished at this point. you can enlighten us as to what happened in that relationship and is this a sign of what it could mean on a broader level for relations in the region? >> i wouldn't take it to that far to relations in the region, but ghazi and i have been negotiated for 17 years. we negotiated the release of 1027 prisoners. we spent the last eight years trying to negotiate a deal that would release two israeli soldiers, obviously killed in 2014 and two civilians held in hamas since 2014. we were not successful there. i tried 20 get hito get him to few days with me in norway or switzerland to brainstorm. that never happened. i was pushing to meet him in cairo. but what happened after the war as i was trying to advance the deal on release of women, children and elderly hostages in exchange for prisoners under the age of 18 in israeli jails and women, with messages back and forth, it became apparent that he was out of the circle of decision makers being in beirut and not connected to ghazni mom -- in gaza any more. and he went on lebanese television in which he justified the terrorist actions and said that we would do october 7 again and again and again a million times. and that israel needed to be annihilated. at that point it was just too far and the man i had known for 17 years is not the same one serving as spokesperson for hamas in this war. >> it is a fascinating read. we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. dozens of newborns evacuated from gaza arriving now in egypt for critical care. we'll update you on their status just ahead. also people in iceland bracing for a volcanic eruption. we'll take you there next. >> are you hopeful that maybe the town will be spared if the eruption hapappens? > our housese, no, not t rea. this morning officials in iceland say there is still a very good chance of a volcanic eruption even as they let some evacuees return home to get their belongings. steam from the mounting pressure underground has already punched through threatening the southwest region. fred pleitgen is joining us live. not every day that you hear about things like this, that you see entire towns evacuated. and officials there are calling the area you're in a danger zone. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, they certainly are. and you're right, very rarely you see something like this. of course we know that iceland is an area that has a lot of volcanic activity, but the big issue that they have right now is that this volcanic activity is taking place in a place where a lot of people live and also where there is a really big geothermal power plant as well. so it is a huge issue here, very dangerous situation. here is what we're learning. nature's brute force punching through the ground, cracking roads and houses here in grindavik threatening the entire town. residents are on the run like paul peterson who evacuated his wife and three small children. >> young family, yeah. >> you had to leave quickly? >> yeah, friday night. >> what was that like? >> it was horrible. >> reporter: iceland is in what is called a hot spot where magma often breaks through the earth's crust which can result in massive eruptions and what happens here can affect large parts of the globe. in 2010, ash spewed in to the atmosphere by a volcano here bringing trans-atlantic air travel to a virtual standstill for weeks. and this time the effects could also be devastated with grind veh grindavik and geothermal power plant nearby. authorities here are highly concerned about the town of grindavik and it has been evacuated and also about the geothermal power plant here in this area and they are working 24/7 to try to dig a trench to redirect the lava if it comes to the surface. government experts here acknowledge they are not certain the trench would prevent lava from damaging the power plant. the main problem is not even the size of the possible eruption but the fact that it is so close to urban areas, geo physicist from the university of iceland tells me. >> it is so close to the town of grindavik and the power plant, and that is the main concern that it could damage one or both of these facilities. >> reporter: because eruption could happen anytime, grindavik residents can only return for a few minutes on some days to retrieve personal items from their homes. are you hopeful about the situation that maybe the town will be spared if a big eruption happens? >> regarding our house, no, not really. because the lava tunnel is laying very close to our house. so we are expecting to lose everything if it will erupt. >> reporter: so as you can see there, some devastating scenes taking place there in the town of grindavik. it is remarkable to see how stoic the folks here are because they also understand that they might never be able to go back to their houses and certainly might never be able go back to that town again one of the updates that we've gotten from the icelandic government, they say if there is a big eruption, they believe that it will happen not in a matter of weeks but a matter of days. >> and you could hear the angst and despair in that voice of that father you talked to. thank you for the reporting. today is president biden's 81st birthday. a number most people would be celebrating. but as for the biden campaign, it is a big factor when it comes to younger voters in the 2024 race. wewe'll break k it down. welcome back. new video released by israeli military of what it says is an exposed hamas tunnel shaft at the al-shifa hospital compound in gaza. cnn has not been able to verify the video ourselves, but take a look. here it is. camera is lowered into the tunnel shaft and you see a set of spiral stairs, the camera then advances along the tunnel before coming to a sharp left turn. the donetunnel continues before reaching a closed metal door that the id fflt dchltidg f has opened. >> and the idf has been arguing for weeks that that has is using the hospital as cover for what it believes is a terror infrastructure underneath. the hospital has not replied to request for comment. joining us now is our international analyst. good to have you here. there is this new video, and they even took oren lieberman to see part of it. and senator blumenthal was asked over the weekend about whether there is enough here. i want you to listen to his answer and get your take. >> they need to be more transparency. both israel and the united states need to release more of this intelligence. there is reliable intelligence that can and should be released without compromising source and methods that would bolster israel's case in the court of world opinion. >> and that court of world opinion is so important here. based on this video that has been released, has the case been bolstered this morning? >> we know israel prevent international journalists for accessing gaza independently. we as journalists, we have very important role, trust but verify, right? one of the main things i teach my students is whatever government, whether the saudi or american government, whenever they tell you, you need really to verify. it is the golden rule, accuracy and transparency. however 4% of israeli citizens trust their government. so they are asking the american citizens to trust what they deliver as evidence without trusting our journalists to verify it. any journalist is not allowed to access freely and every footage that he film have to be access and reviewed and censored by the idf. so this is not transparency. this is something else. in the meantime while they say that and are delivering this kind of evidence that are obviously delivered by them, they are saying that they are bombarding other hospitals. al-shifa, rantisi. and officials are telling us day in and day out in israel and here in the united states that basically in gaza there is no innocent civilians, they are either people who are in cahoot with hamas or hamas operatives. there is 2.2 million people in gaza, 50% are children under the age 15 that were not even born when hamas came to power. so we need to ask what is really the objective. is it only to go after hamas or something more larger. >> to your point, i do think that this was interesting though from the white house, jon finer who is the deputy national security adviser, what he told jake tapper when jake asked him do you think that israel is heeding the warnings that the u.s. has said look at our mistakes after 9/11 and don't act impulsively or out of rage. here is what jon finer said. >> we think that their operation should not go forward until those people, those additional civilians, have been accounted for in their military planning. and so we'll be conveying that directly to them and have been conveying that directly to them and they should draw lessons from how the operation proceeded in the north including lessons that lead to greater and enhanced protections for civilian life, things like narrowing the area of active combat, clarifying where civilians can seek refuge from the fighting. >> he also made a point to say in that interview every life has equal value talking mainly about palestinian civilians as well as israeli civilians. do you read that as the white house stepping up its pressure on the netanyahu regime about how they are carrying this out? >> they might, but the netanyahu regime and government is not listening to them. as of this morning before i came here, you have three foreign ministers calling the international community to expel all gazans forever saying that the only way israel can ever feel safe is if these people are not there. and they are giving two options. either we wipe out gaza or you take them out and you basically resettlement elsewhere. you have minister after minister especially there is one minister in particular that is deeply problematic and this is the minister of finance. and he said that they don't exist, the palestinian. he denied their existence. he tweeted something this morning, we really need to get rid of palestinians, not only in gaza, but also in the west bank, where in the last three week, the israeli army killed 200 people, 50 of them are children. so again, i think we -- it's incumbent on us as journalists, when they appear on our networks, to ask them, what is really the objective? it's only hamas? because they seem to convey over and again that the whole civilian population is a legitimate target, according to them. >> it's been the key question that we've been asking the israeli officials, like, what is the plan, post-plan for gaza. thank you, rula. we appreciate it. well, americans are angrier, in fact, more than ever. and that is, of course, affecting politics for many people, the anger comes from politics. we'll take a closer look. also, jfk's murder debated by some for six decades. rob reiner joins us to discuss his new podcast on this, ahead. anybody sitting in the complex, if you want to come down to the floor and come explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the republican majority has done besides, well, i guess it's not as bad as the democrats. >> that, of course, is republican chip roy from texas addressing the house last week, voicing some of the anger that we've seen boil over on capitol hill. lawmakers are off this week for the thanksgiving holiday. this comes, of course, after a tense week of elbow throwing, name calling, near fights, a lot of really impressive behavior. it is not just on capitol hill, though. a majority of americans say, politics make them angry. look at these numbers. always or often more than half of americans, according to this recent pew data and more than a third say sometimes. joining us now to unpack, cnn political commentator, jamal simmons and alice stewart. jamal, you're at the table, so you're lucky. you get this first one on anger. this does not know a political party, the anger and the frustration that americans feel. it's certainly not just lawmakers like chip roy. given all the anger that exists right now, is there a way to break through that and move forward? >> yeah, i think a big chunk of this anger has to do with americans feeling so disconnected from where we were. you know, you see people making so much money at the top of the income scale, people at the bottom of the income scale, feel like they're struggling to get ahead. this is a big challenge of what's happening for the president right now. we see this aggregate number of how the gdp is doing and the economy seems to be doing well, but then you see people who are at the lower end of the income scale, who are struggling to make ends meet, because inflation was so high. so now we've seen over the course of the last year, there's a great budget index that just came out that shows that people are now starting to see their income go ahead of inflation, and they may now be about to beat inflation, which means people will have more money, which will help lessen some of the strife. then, of course, you've got foreign policy out there. there's a lot of things that are really angering, and let's not forget the cultural changes that have happened to america in the last decade and a half. i think a lot of americans feel uneasy about the fact that america is changing so much, so fast. and they're really kind of revolting against kind of the elites who they think are guiding that change, versus people who are trying to struggle every day to make ends meet. >> alice, what do you think of -- that was republican chip roy calling out his own party, republicans on capitol hill. you're a republican strategist, following what we saw last week. i mean, so much childish, bad behavior, what you want to call it. what do you think? >> a pew research poll shows that 65% of people are just exhausted with politics and use words like you just used, it's chaotic, it's disgusting, it's disturbing, and it's bad. this has to change. we can change the direction of this country by engaging in common sense conversation and engaging and not insulting. and that's where we need to start. and look, i think it's also more than just the tone and tenor here in washington, d.c. it's also the accomplishments. look, there's no denying the fact that donald trump turned on the spigot for divisive rhetoric, but we're seeing the flood gates open up on both sides by members of congress. and i think the more we can do to have a meaningful conversation, the better. but people ultimately at the end of the day are not so concerned about what's happening in washington, but what is happening at home. and when they say the economy is not working for them and frustrated on what's going on with the crime on the streets and many are concerned about what's going on with these proxy wars, in israel and ukraine. that in and of itself is also a big factor and why people are so frustrated. and quite frankly, fed up with politics. >> alice, really quickly, just a follow-up point you said about the former president turning on the spigot, and what we see in terms of this discourse across the country. there's also a lack of especially prominent republicans, frankly, standing up to that and saying, we need to switch the conversation. really pushing back, including, you know, those who would like to be in the white house in 2024. would that make a difference? >> look, we've seen a lot of them. jeff flake, for one, gave a tremendous speech when he left washington, d.c., talking about how we need to change the course of this country. and we need to engage in respectful conversation. those are the kind of people that are leaving washington, unfortunately. and what we're seeing with many in the republican party and donald trump's base, they like the fact that he is a fighter. they like the fact that the economy was strong under him. they like the fact that he did what he could to fight crime. they put up with his tone and tenor. and that's why we're seeing many republicans, unfortunately, afraid to really stand up, because they understand that trump's base isn't distracted or deterred by that tone and tenor. they're more looking at the policies. and so republicans, at least until we can get donald trump out of the system, they're going to continue to engage in the same type of rhetoric, because it's all about the policy and keeping that base nengaged. >> i've got to say, i'm not sure donald trump leaving the system will be the thing that solves this. the cultural change we were just talking about is very real. and people do feel like they just don't know what's happening. so an environment like this, where, you know, you have